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What is the deal with Deuce? (1 Viewer)

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Am I missing something? I don't see why Pierre Thomas is getting more work than Deuce. When he gets the ball he plows forward with a lot of strength. I don't see any ill effects from his knee surgery other than they seem to not want to push him. Thomas is doing okay but not setting the world on fire. Why won't they let Deuce loose? I need to decide whether or not to play him this week . Derrick Ward has been getting more touches and more yards. If they would let Deuce play I think he would do everything he used to do.

 
the entire offense is predicated on sheer opportunism. payton will ride the hot hand in a game. pierre looked good last game, so he got the touches. deuce was not a standout. who knows what will happen once reggie gets back?

the only player to have on this team is brees. otherwise, avoid the headache and steer clear.

 
the entire offense is predicated on sheer opportunism. payton will ride the hot hand in a game. pierre looked good last game, so he got the touches. deuce was not a standout. who knows what will happen once reggie gets back?the only player to have on this team is brees. otherwise, avoid the headache and steer clear.
Thanks. I'm beginning to agree with you. Deuce seems to be putting up just enough points to be useful but the lack of touches is unsettling.
 
I think they are accepting the fact that Deuce is going to get suspended and that they will have move forward without him. Also while Bush is returning it is not for certain that they will lean on him at first if they can get PT up to speed. I think they are preparing PT for an extra work load going forward once Deuce is suspended .

 
the entire offense is predicated on sheer opportunism. payton will ride the hot hand in a game. pierre looked good last game, so he got the touches. deuce was not a standout. who knows what will happen once reggie gets back?

the only player to have on this team is brees. otherwise, avoid the headache and steer clear.
Lance Moore says hello. This guy is seriously underrated on this board.
 
the entire offense is predicated on sheer opportunism. payton will ride the hot hand in a game. pierre looked good last game, so he got the touches. deuce was not a standout. who knows what will happen once reggie gets back?

the only player to have on this team is brees. otherwise, avoid the headache and steer clear.
Lance Moore says hello. This guy is seriously underrated on this board.
he's the team's leading receiver, sure, but i don't think anyone has a clue - including the coaching staff - what his umbers will be like going forward. bush is returning and colston is recovering after all. lance has been a real surprise and made the most of his opportunity but beyond that...
 
This is an article in the Times Picayune and can be found in the sports section at http://www.nola.com

Deuce McAllister's days at the Dome with the New Orleans Saints numbered?

Posted by Jeff Duncan, The Times-Picayune November 17, 2008 10:54PM

Categories: Saints

Susan Poag / The Times-Picayune

New Orleans Saints tailback Deuce McAllister, who has been used mostly in a reserve role this season, is scheduled to be paid $7.3 million next year.

There are a lot of reasons to attend the Saints' home game against the Green Bay Packers on Monday night.

It's the first home game in six weeks. It's critical to the Saints' faint playoff hopes. And, of course, it's on a national stage.

But more important than any of those factors is this: It could be Deuce McAllister's final game at the Superdome.

Not this month. Not this season.

Ever.

Did you hear that, Who Dat Nation?

McAllister could be playing his final game at the Superdome on Monday night.

I could be jumping the gun here. A lot of things would have to fall in place for it to happen. But it's not as long a shot as it might seem. In fact, it's an inconvenient truth.

Technically, McAllister has four years remaining on his contract with the Saints, but the reality is his roster spot is far from guaranteed next season. His salary cap number jumps from $4.5 million to $7.3 million. That's feature-back money not role player money, and McAllister, at this stage of his injury-riddled career, is a role player -- at least in the eyes of his current employer.

McAllister started Sunday's game at Kansas City but took a back seat to Pierre Thomas for most of the second half. Thomas finished with 16 carries for 88 yards. McAllister had eight for 18. A similar playing rotation was employed a week earlier in Atlanta.

If Coach Sean Payton's designation of McAllister's role wasn't clear earlier this season when he docked Deuce on the sideline for two games, it's now readily apparent.

That's the harsh reality of the NFL, where a player's three most valuable assets are productivity, reliability and availability.

A wily veteran like McAllister knows this better than anyone.

There's also the chance he could retire after the season. McAllister, who will be 30 on Dec. 27, has never mentioned retirement but it wouldn't be a shocker. Other than a Super Bowl, there's little left for him to accomplish. He's the club's career rushing leader and was a key cog on the most successful team in Saints history. His legacy is intact.

He's in great shape financially and has enough business interests to keep him busy for the rest of his life. He'd also have more time to devote to family.

So as much as I hate to say it, this very well could be McAllister's final season in the NFL and/or New Orleans.

And if it is, there's a strong chance the looming NFL suspension could soon wipe out what's left of it.

McAllister's appeal is expected to be heard by NFL officials today. He could learn his fate as early as next week.

McAllister and Saints officials are confident that the appeal will be approved. Historically, though, the NFL has ruled with an iron fist on the matter of supplements.

If the appeal fails, McAllister would face a four-game suspension, which would begin immediately.

Depending on when the gavel falls, McAllister's suspension could begin as early as next week. If so, that means he could serve the four-game suspension in Weeks 13-16 and return for a curtain call in the Dec. 28 season finale against Carolina.

But if the league waits, then McAllister would be forced to close out the season on suspension, meaning Monday night's home game could possibly be his final one at the Superdome.

If Monday night is his finale, the Saints need to give McAllister the ball, especially when they reach the goal line.

He needs one touchdown to establish a club record for touchdowns. For all he's done, the Saints owe him a chance to set the mark.

If not another season, the Saints at least owe him another night in the spotlight.

Knowing McAllister, the last thing he'd want is to single himself out from teammates, to become the dominant storyline in such an important game. The prideful, modest guy I've known since he was drafted in 2001 would detest being made a sideshow.

But his fans deserve to know the possibility exists. The potential moment should not pass unrecognized.

Ten years from now people won't say they remember that Monday night when the Saints outscored the Packers or fell hopelessly out of the playoff race in the NFC South.

They'll say they were there the night Deuce played his last home game at the Superdome.

Jeff Duncan can be reached at jduncan@timespicayune.com or 504.826.3404
It Breaks my heart as a fan but i think the Saints are going to part ways with Deuce. This just after he broke the record and moved into the Saints all time leading rusher over Dalton Hilliard. What a way to say thanks huh? This part of the NFL business is the only part of the NFL that really makes me rather watch College sports.
 
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Am I missing something? I don't see why Pierre Thomas is getting more work than Deuce. When he gets the ball he plows forward with a lot of strength. I don't see any ill effects from his knee surgery other than they seem to not want to push him. Thomas is doing okay but not setting the world on fire. Why won't they let Deuce loose? I need to decide whether or not to play him this week . Derrick Ward has been getting more touches and more yards. If they would let Deuce play I think he would do everything he used to do.
The deal with Deuce is he cannot do 20 carries every game but that's his mold and that's his position. He's looked surprisingly good this year considering the surgeries he's been through, and the fans love him, he loved the fans, he has people here and from near here, and he's been nothing but great and all you can ask of an NFL player since he got here. But the team needs a full-scale, true, 100% rock-carrying pounder who can carry the team when they need it. As we all know Reggie is a hybrid, specialized/niche scatback who as a practical matter plays a whole other position and is not someone they can rely upon to put the team on his back.(Edit) As for Pierre, I'm not saying he is that guy, or that he will be next year, but he has delivered every time they've asked him. He outplayed touted and drafted Antonio Pittman for a spot on the roster last year, he became the only Saints RB ever to get 100+ yards ruushing & 100+ yards receiving in teh same game, and he just runs hard teh whole time. So does Deuce but really Puierre has shown more in most situations. The one area where Deuce excels over Pierre and a lot of other NFL RB's these days is in the short yardage situations.
 
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bushisdaman said:
McAllister's appeal is expected to be heard by NFL officials today. He could learn his fate as early as next week.

McAllister and Saints officials are confident that the appeal will be approved. Historically, though, the NFL has ruled with an iron fist on the matter of supplements.

If the appeal fails, McAllister would face a four-game suspension, which would begin immediately.

Depending on when the gavel falls, McAllister's suspension could begin as early as next week. If so, that means he could serve the four-game suspension in Weeks 13-16 and return for a curtain call in the Dec. 28 season finale against Carolina.
Im not sure I understand this. If the hearing is today, why couldn't the NFL announce the decision in the next day or two, meaning McAllister would have to begin serving the suspension starting Monday? The writer assumes that next week is the earliest this would be announced, is this fact?
 
Im not sure I understand this. If the hearing is today, why couldn't the NFL announce the decision in the next day or two, meaning McAllister would have to begin serving the suspension starting Monday? The writer assumes that next week is the earliest this would be announced, is this fact?
I think the hearing is kind of like an arbitration of sorts where each side presents their case and in actuality is just a gathering of all facts and arguments concerning the case. It must be past practice for the official decision to be made on average a week after the actual hearing takes place.
 
Thomas doesn't have the power to push the pile that I still see with McAllister even after two knee surgeries he gets more power than PT. I'll give you speed part but the Saints already have a small speed back in Reggie. The Saints need a thunder to go with that lightening and so far I have not been convinced Pierre thomas is that guy. PT is cheaper and for that reason he will be a Saint next year where Deuce will either retire or get cut. Personal opinion here but I think the Saints will need to shop for a younger version of Deuce because Pierre Thomas doesnt run hard after contact and punnish defenders. Perhaps that is what the Saints are also doing, they Know if Pierre can step up and be this type of back they wont have to spend a draft pick on one and can use the money in FA to address other needs.

 
Thomas doesn't have the power to push the pile that I still see with McAllister even after two knee surgeries he gets more power than PT. I'll give you speed part but the Saints already have a small speed back in Reggie. The Saints need a thunder to go with that lightening and so far I have not been convinced Pierre thomas is that guy. PT is cheaper and for that reason he will be a Saint next year where Deuce will either retire or get cut. Personal opinion here but I think the Saints will need to shop for a younger version of Deuce because Pierre Thomas doesnt run hard after contact and punnish defenders. Perhaps that is what the Saints are also doing, they Know if Pierre can step up and be this type of back they wont have to spend a draft pick on one and can use the money in FA to address other needs.
His ability to "move the pile" is exactly why I started this thread. Maybe when Reggie returns it will mean more time for Deuce and less for Thomas but NO ONE there moves the pile like Deuce does. He has looked impressive all around. receiving out of the backfield also....which he did a lot of before Reggie.I am disappointed because he was a real steal in the drafts and now that his time should be happenning it is not and I think it is to the detriment of the team(my team too lol). Deuce is just better than Thomas period.
 
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Thomas doesn't have the power to push the pile that I still see with McAllister even after two knee surgeries he gets more power than PT. I'll give you speed part but the Saints already have a small speed back in Reggie. The Saints need a thunder to go with that lightening and so far I have not been convinced Pierre thomas is that guy. PT is cheaper and for that reason he will be a Saint next year where Deuce will either retire or get cut. Personal opinion here but I think the Saints will need to shop for a younger version of Deuce because Pierre Thomas doesnt run hard after contact and punnish defenders. Perhaps that is what the Saints are also doing, they Know if Pierre can step up and be this type of back they wont have to spend a draft pick on one and can use the money in FA to address other needs.
His ability to "move the pile" is exactly why I started this thread. Maybe when Reggie returns it will mean more time for Deuce and less for Thomas but NO ONE there moves the pile like Deuce does. He has looked impressive all around. receiving out of the backfield also....which he did a lot of before Reggie.I am disappointed because he was a real steal in the drafts and now that his time should be happenning it is not and I think it is to the detriment of the team(my team too lol). Deuce is just better than Thomas period.
Well Well Wellhttp://blog.nola.com/saintsbeat/2008/11/ne...lace_runni.html

i guess he wont be moving the pile much longer then. :goodposting: Mike bell? I guess Deuce lost his appeal

 
Seems everyone is writing Deuce off, and assumming the suspension will be coming. Is there any other news ?

As far as the Mike Bell, and Damien Barnes signing, I am not sure this tells us anything. Stecker went on IR, and the saints starting FB, Karney has been missing time due to injury, and I think the backup FB? was already on IR. So they signed a RB and a FB to replace them. Going forward right now, value wise I think it is

1. Reggie Bush

2. Deuce

3. Thomas

Thomas will hold some value if he ends up as the goal line back, and primary backup to Bush. The roster would be pretty similar to what happened in the first 3 games of the season (Deuce didn't play, and IIRC Stecker was out as well). But a lot of his value then was TDs, and I don't see him getting those unless Deuce is suspended.

 

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