What is the street value for the 1.01 rookie pick? (1 Viewer)

[Biabreakable]

contract league where I have 1.02 / 1.03 / 1.07; was thinking of offering 1.03 & 7 for 1.01 and next yrs 1st. That way I get Watkins and whoever I value next after the draft.

I do not think you want to do that.

The 2014 draft class has been mentioned as a very strong group even last year going into the 2013 draft. Now that this draft class is coming near we are hearing the same thing from Mayock and GM's around the league. Many of them think the 2014 draft class is one of the deeper pools of talent to come out in awhile. Juniors who have declared keeps going up as well deepening the quality of the draft pool.

I think the 2014 draft is one where you want to have as many picks as possible. I would be looking at moves to add picks in 2014 rather than pushing them forward to 2015.

The RB group looks pretty strong in 2014. Much better than most seasons. Perhaps as good as 2008 RB group?

I think you are in a good position to add 3 quality skill players from the 2014 draft and if you think your pick in 2015 will be a later one I would look to move that pick into 2014 if possible.

 

[Biabreakable]

I traded 1.01 last year and again this year... on a rebuild team fortunate enough to finish dead last back to back years.

12 team, ppr, superflex (can start 2 QBs)

Last year, 1.01 went for 1.08, 1.09, and 1.11 (ended up having 8 1st round picks)

This year had 1, 5, 7, 11 in the 1st, I am a lot closer to being competitive so...

Traded 1.01/Geno/Hopkins/2.12 for Matt Ryan... didn't want to bank on a rookie qb (or Geno) to fill a starting spot.

Taking known production over potential production in this case.

In dynasty you have to look at your teams position to determine which is the best way to go.

You may have over paid slightly, but I think people trashing this trade do not recognize the full value of a top 5 QB in a start 2 QB league.

To me having to pay the 2.12 on top of the 1st overall (Watkin's perhaps?) and a top 5 rookie pick (Hopkins) and a late 1st-2nd round pick in Geno Smith (Jets ran a lot of plays 2 years in a row now.. I still am not seeing Smith being a top 15 QB) for Ryan does not seem that off to me, without knowing the rest of your roster (If you already have a strong QB to pair Ryan with.. seems good). I do think the 2.12 was a bit much, but that is essentially an extra 3rd round pick, in an admittedly deep draft, but depending on how many roster spots you have and the quality of depth of your team (many rookies added last season) that pick may not have a home on your roster.

He overpaid. Ryan was 11th in my league last year. Tony G. is retiring. Julio is coming off injury. And Roddy is another year older. You never know what the future will bring - Atlanta could return to a ball control/balanced offense.

Maybe you under estimate the value of the 1.1? It sounds this team needed a QB badly - so I can understand a big move. But you have to be a tough negotiator. There are some negatives around Ryan after a bad year and you have to exploit that.

I might have offered the 1/1/Geno for Ryan and let him sit on it. That depends though on the rest of my roster... If I thought I really need a RB/WR, I'd have kept the 1.01 and shopped around for a QB.

I do think he overpaid a bit. But as I already mentioned, I consider that over payment to be equivalent of an early 3rd round rookie pick. In this draft class I do think an early 3rd round pick has more value than many draft classes, but even so it is a later pick and not a huge value in terms of over payment to get the deal done.

I do agree with what you are saying about playing hard ball and trying to not pay that for Ryan or stand pat for awhile and let the rookie hype for 2014 build more before making the move. There were perhaps better deals that could be had in a couple months than the return he received.

At the same time I think Ryan is being under valued due to poor performance (by his standards) in 2013. Even without Gonzalez (who has not retired yet and may possibly return to the Falcons) Ryan has a lot of weapons to work with. He made Harry Douglas a productive player last season with White nursing an injury all year. I think Ryan is in a good position to be right up there with the top QBs in 2014, with a longer future playing at that level than some of the top guys like Brady and Manning.

Admittedly I am playing devils advocate a bit here. I just felt the trade was not as bad as many posters made it out to be considering his scoring format (2QB can start) and giving some benefit of the doubt to his roster having another good QB to pair with Ryan in 2014 making the trade worthwhile.

If the roster is still very much in rebuild mode instead of being realistically poised to compete for a title in 2014 then I would prefer the draft picks.

I am not sure that Bridgewater will be as good as Ryan. I kind of doubt he will. If he (or one of the other rookie QBs) is that good then the deal is not as favorable. But I do not think any of these rookie QB are as good of prospects as Ryan has proven to be.

The Falcons do need upgrades to their offensive line. That did not transition well last season.

 

[cstu]

This year had 1, 5, 7, 11 in the 1st, I am a lot closer to being competitive so...

Traded 1.01/Geno/Hopkins/2.12 for Matt Ryan... didn't want to bank on a rookie qb (or Geno) to fill a starting spot.

Should've got Rodgers for that.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

This year had 1, 5, 7, 11 in the 1st, I am a lot closer to being competitive so...

Traded 1.01/Geno/Hopkins/2.12 for Matt Ryan... didn't want to bank on a rookie qb (or Geno) to fill a starting spot.

Should've got Rodgers for that.

Nobody is trading Rodgers for anything close to that in a Superflex league.

 

[cstu]

This year had 1, 5, 7, 11 in the 1st, I am a lot closer to being competitive so...

Traded 1.01/Geno/Hopkins/2.12 for Matt Ryan... didn't want to bank on a rookie qb (or Geno) to fill a starting spot.

Should've got Rodgers for that.

Nobody is trading Rodgers for anything close to that in a Superflex league.

Damn, missed that it was Superflex.

 

[lod01]

contract league where I have 1.02 / 1.03 / 1.07; was thinking of offering 1.03 & 7 for 1.01 and next yrs 1st. That way I get Watkins and whoever I value next after the draft.

I would never do that. Watkins could go to the Jets, thus neutralizing him. I'd much rather have picks 1.02, 3 and 7. You can get 3 starters with that. This is the deepest draft ever.

1.01 is just not worth much this year. This draft is so deep that in a 14 team league there will be guys picked in the 2nd round that could be better than picks in the top 6.

 

[KellysHeroes]

contract league where I have 1.02 / 1.03 / 1.07; was thinking of offering 1.03 & 7 for 1.01 and next yrs 1st. That way I get Watkins and whoever I value next after the draft.

I would never do that. Watkins could go to the Jets, thus neutralizing him. I'd much rather have picks 1.02, 3 and 7. You can get 3 starters with that. This is the deepest draft ever.

1.01 is just not worth much this year. This draft is so deep that in a 14 team league there will be guys picked in the 2nd round that could be better than picks in the top 6.

maybe I'll re-think it then

 

[werdnoynek]

contract league where I have 1.02 / 1.03 / 1.07; was thinking of offering 1.03 & 7 for 1.01 and next yrs 1st. That way I get Watkins and whoever I value next after the draft.

I would never do that. Watkins could go to the Jets, thus neutralizing him. I'd much rather have picks 1.02, 3 and 7. You can get 3 starters with that. This is the deepest draft ever.

1.01 is just not worth much this year. This draft is so deep that in a 14 team league there will be guys picked in the 2nd round that could be better than picks in the top 6.

How is that different than any other year? I don't think depth really has all that much to do with it - the top guys are always the top guys. IMO Watkins is head over heels better than any other WR in this class and it's really not close.

ETA: You also make it sound like the Jets are forever doomed... a talent like Watkins could turn the offense around in no time. Don't over think this. I would do that deal.

 

[MAC_32]

I am not moving my one unless blown away, but if Sammy goes to the Jets or the Raiders I will be more reasonable with my asking price. I think both situations change next year after the regimes are canned, but a lost year followed by an adjusting year is tough to swallow. In my particular situation I may be able to handle it as I have Wayne and Fitz for two more years, Harvin for five, Evans or Lee (I also have pick 3) for a long time with Woods and Sanu stashed as well, but I may able to flip him now then get him back for less in a year or two.

 

[ghostguy123]

So last year most said the draft was weak, yet it produced a ton of value in the top 15

This year most think this is the best draft ever. Seems the current perceived value of the draft this year is setting it up for failure in terms of what people are going to pay for picks.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Just went top of the 3rd in a recent start up

 

[Mainevent]

This year had 1, 5, 7, 11 in the 1st, I am a lot closer to being competitive so...

Traded 1.01/Geno/Hopkins/2.12 for Matt Ryan... didn't want to bank on a rookie qb (or Geno) to fill a starting spot.

Should've got Rodgers for that.

Nobody is trading Rodgers for anything close to that in a Superflex league.

Damn, missed that it was Superflex.

I see most feel its a pretty bad deal on my end.

So full disclosure:

After back-to-back last place finishes, I've been able to acquire some decent players (Alshon Jeffery, Josh Gordon, Keenan Allen, Cecil Shorts, LeVeon Bell, T Eifert etc...)

My team is closer to competing (playoff contender imo), and my QB2 before acquiring Ryan ...was Geno/Ponder/Campbell.

I didn't want to take a chance on a rookie at #1, so I paid for a known commodity in Ryan (top 10 dynasty QB).

My other starting QB is Cutler, and I also have acquired Witten at TE recently.

So, starting line-up looks like: Cutler/Ryan Bell/M Ball (Lattimore on the bench) Jeffery/Gordon/Allen (Shorts and others) Witten...plus IDP

I also have another 5 top 20 picks in this years draft (1.05, 1.07, 1.11, 2.05, 2.08) - plus 7 other picks.

Just to go over the trade pieces:

1.01 - there was no way I was going to get a top 10 dynasty qb w/o moving this pick, plain and simple.

I was okay parting with Hopkins (who I liked), due to the fact that my wrs were fairly deep and he is not a sure thing, and I feel he is limited to WR2 upside.

Geno Smith - selling low on him, but didn't like what I saw, and being a Jet - I am not optimistic.

2.12, was going to counter trade w/o this, but I didn't want to miss out on an opportunity to grab a top 10 dynasty QB over a late 2nd rounder, when I had a couple others.

I've made several trades with this other team, ironically enough prior to last year I traded Matt Ryan/2.01 to him for Cutler/Shorts/1.04, 1.10 in 2013 and 1.05 in 2014.

I also moved Leshoure and Patrick Willis to him, each for a 1st rounder.

I figured I could let a little go back the other way.

Not sure if that helps explain some of the reasoning - but young talented QBs (even if they are not elite - per Tony G) are valuable in a Superflex aka 2QB league.

FYI

I wish I could have gotten Aaron Rodgers....

I made a play at him first.. Keenan Allen/1.01/1.05/Geno Smith... declined in a hurry.

Settled with bringing back Ryan.

ETA:

If I had needed a WR, I'd have held the pick and taken Watkins w/o hesitation.

 

[salmonstud]

PPR - start 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE league

Traded 1.1 for 1.8, 1.9, 1.10

Would you guys have done that?

I need RB help in the league & estimate at least 1-2 RB's I like will slip to that spot in the draft. Owner I traded with is very thin at WR & really wanted Watkins.

 

[cstu]

So last year most said the draft was weak, yet it produced a ton of value in the top 15

This year most think this is the best draft ever. Seems the current perceived value of the draft this year is setting it up for failure in terms of what people are going to pay for picks.

This draft has much better talent at WR (more talent at the top and deeper) and QB, but RB and TE are comparable to last year. Picks 1-2 are worth more and so are late 1sts/early 2nds, but middle 1st's aren't particularly much better unless you need a QB.

 

[cstu]

PPR - start 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE league

Traded 1.1 for 1.8, 1.9, 1.10

Would you guys have done that?

I need RB help in the league & estimate at least 1-2 RB's I like will slip to that spot in the draft. Owner I traded with is very thin at WR & really wanted Watkins.

In the top 7 I see 4, maybe 5 WR's getting taken and 2-3 RB's (Hyde/Carey at minimum). I don't have a lot separating the top 6 RB's so there will be good talent at 1.8 but then you have to make the correct pick. If you can get Beckham, Ebron and a good RB I like the trade.

 

[salmonstud]

PPR - start 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE league

Traded 1.1 for 1.8, 1.9, 1.10

Would you guys have done that?

I need RB help in the league & estimate at least 1-2 RB's I like will slip to that spot in the draft. Owner I traded with is very thin at WR & really wanted Watkins.

In the top 7 I see 4, maybe 5 WR's getting taken and 2-3 RB's (Hyde/Carey at minimum). I don't have a lot separating the top 6 RB's so there will be good talent at 1.8 but then you have to make the correct pick. If you can get Beckham, Ebron and a good RB I like the trade.

Kind of what I was thinking with the exception of Beckham. He isn't even in my top 15 let along my top 10.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

PPR - start 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE league

Traded 1.1 for 1.8, 1.9, 1.10

Would you guys have done that?

I need RB help in the league & estimate at least 1-2 RB's I like will slip to that spot in the draft. Owner I traded with is very thin at WR & really wanted Watkins.

In the top 7 I see 4, maybe 5 WR's getting taken and 2-3 RB's (Hyde/Carey at minimum). I don't have a lot separating the top 6 RB's so there will be good talent at 1.8 but then you have to make the correct pick. If you can get Beckham, Ebron and a good RB I like the trade.

Kind of what I was thinking with the exception of Beckham. He isn't even in my top 15 let along my top 10.

Only speaking for myself here, but I think that's a mistake. I don't think there are 15 guys better than Beckham this year. When it's all said and done he could easily be a late-1st round NFL draft pick, and that alone is noteworthy, nevermind his tape.

 

[ghostguy123]

PPR - start 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE league

Traded 1.1 for 1.8, 1.9, 1.10

Would you guys have done that?

I need RB help in the league & estimate at least 1-2 RB's I like will slip to that spot in the draft. Owner I traded with is very thin at WR & really wanted Watkins.

yes, I take the picks unless it is super small rosters

 

[salmonstud]

PPR - start 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE league

Traded 1.1 for 1.8, 1.9, 1.10

Would you guys have done that?

I need RB help in the league & estimate at least 1-2 RB's I like will slip to that spot in the draft. Owner I traded with is very thin at WR & really wanted Watkins.

In the top 7 I see 4, maybe 5 WR's getting taken and 2-3 RB's (Hyde/Carey at minimum). I don't have a lot separating the top 6 RB's so there will be good talent at 1.8 but then you have to make the correct pick. If you can get Beckham, Ebron and a good RB I like the trade.

Kind of what I was thinking with the exception of Beckham. He isn't even in my top 15 let along my top 10.

Only speaking for myself here, but I think that's a mistake. I don't think there are 15 guys better than Beckham this year. When it's all said and done he could easily be a late-1st round NFL draft pick, and that alone is noteworthy, nevermind his tape.

Beckham is killing the combine this morning. Evans is looking very good as well!

 

[The Fantasy Chef]

I own the 1.7,2.3,2.5 and 2.7. What would be a good offer to aquire the 1.1 using only my draft picks?

 

[ClownDogs]

I own the 1.7,2.3,2.5 and 2.7. What would be a good offer to aquire the 1.1 using only my draft picks?

More than what you have i would assume.

 

[Mario Kart]

I own the 1.7,2.3,2.5 and 2.7. What would be a good offer to aquire the 1.1 using only my draft picks?

More than what you have i would assume.

I'd think the 2.03, 2.05 and 2.07 would be enough to pry the 1.01 from that owner. That guy sure needs help if he has the 1.01, right?

 

[squistion]

I own the 1.7,2.3,2.5 and 2.7. What would be a good offer to aquire the 1.1 using only my draft picks?

More than what you have i would assume.

I'd think the 2.03, 2.05 and 2.07 would be enough to pry the 1.01 from that owner. That guy sure needs help if he has the 1.01, right?

I own the 1.01 in two leagues and I would never do that deal. And yes, those teams need help, but I am more likely to get it with the top choice in the draft, rather than what I view as some marginal players in the 2nd round. I would trade down in the first round, but another first round pick would have be involved and it would probably have to be higher than the 1.07.

 

[drew1976]

There is no combo of the 1.7, 2.3, 2.5 and 2.7 that would get the 1.1 from me. 1.5 and 1.7 would get me interested.

I have the 1.1, 1.7 and 1.9 this year. I'd consider trading the 1.1 for 1.3 or 1.4 and next years first as well.

 

[Mario Kart]

I own the 1.7,2.3,2.5 and 2.7. What would be a good offer to aquire the 1.1 using only my draft picks?

More than what you have i would assume.

I'd think the 2.03, 2.05 and 2.07 would be enough to pry the 1.01 from that owner. That guy sure needs help if he has the 1.01, right?

I own the 1.01 in two leagues and I would never do that deal. And yes, those teams need help, but I am more likely to get it with the top choice in the draft, rather than what I view as some marginal players in the 2nd round. I would trade down in the first round, but another first round pick would have be involved and it would probably have to be higher than the 1.07.

You're asking too much for that pick. You get more help with 3 players than you would with that one. Auto accept.

 

[Andrew74]

I own the 1.7,2.3,2.5 and 2.7. What would be a good offer to aquire the 1.1 using only my draft picks?

More than what you have i would assume.

I'd think the 2.03, 2.05 and 2.07 would be enough to pry the 1.01 from that owner. That guy sure needs help if he has the 1.01, right?

I own the 1.01 in two leagues and I would never do that deal. And yes, those teams need help, but I am more likely to get it with the top choice in the draft, rather than what I view as some marginal players in the 2nd round. I would trade down in the first round, but another first round pick would have be involved and it would probably have to be higher than the 1.07.

You're asking too much for that pick. You get more help with 3 players than you would with that one. Auto accept.

I have the 1.01 in a league and would laugh at an offer of those 3 2nds. Three marginal players aren't better than a good/great one.

 

[salmonstud]

I own the 1.7,2.3,2.5 and 2.7. What would be a good offer to aquire the 1.1 using only my draft picks?

More than what you have i would assume.

I'd think the 2.03, 2.05 and 2.07 would be enough to pry the 1.01 from that owner. That guy sure needs help if he has the 1.01, right?

I own the 1.01 in two leagues and I would never do that deal. And yes, those teams need help, but I am more likely to get it with the top choice in the draft, rather than what I view as some marginal players in the 2nd round. I would trade down in the first round, but another first round pick would have be involved and it would probably have to be higher than the 1.07.

You're asking too much for that pick. You get more help with 3 players than you would with that one. Auto accept.

I have the 1.01 in a league and would laugh at an offer of those 3 2nds. Three marginal players aren't better than a good/great one.

Would you have taken the trade offer I did....trading the 1.1 for 1.8, 1.9, 1.10 ?

 

[squistion]

I own the 1.7,2.3,2.5 and 2.7. What would be a good offer to aquire the 1.1 using only my draft picks?

More than what you have i would assume.

I'd think the 2.03, 2.05 and 2.07 would be enough to pry the 1.01 from that owner. That guy sure needs help if he has the 1.01, right?

I own the 1.01 in two leagues and I would never do that deal. And yes, those teams need help, but I am more likely to get it with the top choice in the draft, rather than what I view as some marginal players in the 2nd round. I would trade down in the first round, but another first round pick would have be involved and it would probably have to be higher than the 1.07.

You're asking too much for that pick. You get more help with 3 players than you would with that one. Auto accept.

How many random 2nd round players ever work out? My leagues show a much higher bust rate over the years for 2nd rounders than the 1.01. The 1.01 can give me a player I can build my team round, highly unlikely with a crapshoot of 2nd round picks. Auto reject.

 

[salmonstud]

I own the 1.7,2.3,2.5 and 2.7. What would be a good offer to aquire the 1.1 using only my draft picks?

More than what you have i would assume.

I'd think the 2.03, 2.05 and 2.07 would be enough to pry the 1.01 from that owner. That guy sure needs help if he has the 1.01, right?

I own the 1.01 in two leagues and I would never do that deal. And yes, those teams need help, but I am more likely to get it with the top choice in the draft, rather than what I view as some marginal players in the 2nd round. I would trade down in the first round, but another first round pick would have be involved and it would probably have to be higher than the 1.07.

You're asking too much for that pick. You get more help with 3 players than you would with that one. Auto accept.

How many random 2nd round players ever work out? My leagues show a much higher bust rate over the years for 2nd rounders than the 1.01. The 1.01 can give me a player I can build my team round, highly unlikely with a crapshoot of 2nd round picks. Auto reject.

What about 1.8, 1.9, 1.10 for your 1.1? Enough to give the pick up?

 

[Mario Kart]

I own the 1.7,2.3,2.5 and 2.7. What would be a good offer to aquire the 1.1 using only my draft picks?

More than what you have i would assume.

I'd think the 2.03, 2.05 and 2.07 would be enough to pry the 1.01 from that owner. That guy sure needs help if he has the 1.01, right?

I own the 1.01 in two leagues and I would never do that deal. And yes, those teams need help, but I am more likely to get it with the top choice in the draft, rather than what I view as some marginal players in the 2nd round. I would trade down in the first round, but another first round pick would have be involved and it would probably have to be higher than the 1.07.

You're asking too much for that pick. You get more help with 3 players than you would with that one. Auto accept.

How many random 2nd round players ever work out? My leagues show a much higher bust rate over the years for 2nd rounders than the 1.01. The 1.01 can give me a player I can build my team round, highly unlikely with a crapshoot of 2nd round picks. Auto reject.

Need to go further than 1 or 2 years. Many 2nd rounders produce and outrank many first rounders. Three 2nd's is an easy auto accept. You value one pick much to high. The only thing missing from that deal might be another 2nd or a 3rd thrown in to make 4 picks.

 

[squistion]

I own the 1.01 in two leagues and I would never do that deal. And yes, those teams need help, but I am more likely to get it with the top choice in the draft, rather than what I view as some marginal players in the 2nd round. I would trade down in the first round, but another first round pick would have be involved and it would probably have to be higher than the 1.07.

You're asking too much for that pick. You get more help with 3 players than you would with that one. Auto accept.

How many random 2nd round players ever work out? My leagues show a much higher bust rate over the years for 2nd rounders than the 1.01. The 1.01 can give me a player I can build my team round, highly unlikely with a crapshoot of 2nd round picks. Auto reject.

What about 1.8, 1.9, 1.10 for your 1.1? Enough to give the pick up?

It would depend. Probably not before the NFL draft, as I would have to figure out who I could get with those players. With 1.01 you are getting your choice of the 1st tier prospects. With the 1.08 to 1.10 you are probably getting three 3rd tier players which could be a nice starting point in a long term rebuild or you might be able to swap them for some veteran players if you already have a borderline playoff competitive team.

It would be hard to turn down, and I would be very tempted, but I probably wouldn't pull the trigger at this time - although, quite frankly, I can't say for sure until I had an offer like that on the table.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I own the 1.01 in two leagues and I would never do that deal. And yes, those teams need help, but I am more likely to get it with the top choice in the draft, rather than what I view as some marginal players in the 2nd round. I would trade down in the first round, but another first round pick would have be involved and it would probably have to be higher than the 1.07.

You're asking too much for that pick. You get more help with 3 players than you would with that one. Auto accept.

How many random 2nd round players ever work out? My leagues show a much higher bust rate over the years for 2nd rounders than the 1.01. The 1.01 can give me a player I can build my team round, highly unlikely with a crapshoot of 2nd round picks. Auto reject.

What about 1.8, 1.9, 1.10 for your 1.1? Enough to give the pick up?

It would depend. Probably not before the NFL draft, as I would have to figure out who I could get with those players. With 1.01 you are getting your choice of the 1st tier prospects. With the 1.08 to 1.10 you are probably getting three 3rd tier players which could be a nice starting point in a long term rebuild or you might be able to swap them for some veteran players if you already have a borderline playoff competitive team.

It would be hard to turn down, and I would be very tempted, but I probably wouldn't pull the trigger at this time - although, quite frankly, I can't say for sure until I had an offer like that on the table.

the 1.07 with the 2nds is an easy no for me. the 1.08 - .10 would be close enough for me to sleep on it; prob do it

 

[ClownDogs]

I offered 1.5/1.7 for the 1.1 and got turned down a few weeks ago. Not sure i would do it now, alot of players i am starting to like more and more. 16 team, full idp, 1.5ppr TE's

 

[werdnoynek]

I offered 1.5/1.7 for the 1.1 and got turned down a few weeks ago. Not sure i would do it now, alot of players i am starting to like more and more. 16 team, full idp, 1.5ppr TE's

16 teams makes the 1.1 a hot commodity. Getting the elite prospect is huge... I highly doubt the guy who has the pick would be willing to move it now, but I'd send the offer.

 

[finfansteve]

I was able to get Julio Jones for the 1.01 pick in my draft. I was willing to make the deal for Jones with the uncertainty of where each prospect could be heading and think I got Julio at a discount because of last years injury. I could be proved wrong in the coming years but think I got the best player I could using the 1.01 pick.

 

[ghostguy123]

There are some weird statements in the last 10-15 posts goin on here.

 

[drew1976]

As stated, I have the 1.01 in one of my leagues.

Couldn't hit accept fast enough to get Julio for that pick.

1.5 & 1.7 would probably do it as well.

Any combination of scraps at 1.8 and beyond, probably not. I'd rather have my pick and roll the dice. And picks tend to get more valuable as you get closer to the draft so I tend to wait unless a great offer comes along.

 

[Andrew74]

I own the 1.7,2.3,2.5 and 2.7. What would be a good offer to aquire the 1.1 using only my draft picks?

More than what you have i would assume.

I'd think the 2.03, 2.05 and 2.07 would be enough to pry the 1.01 from that owner. That guy sure needs help if he has the 1.01, right?

I own the 1.01 in two leagues and I would never do that deal. And yes, those teams need help, but I am more likely to get it with the top choice in the draft, rather than what I view as some marginal players in the 2nd round. I would trade down in the first round, but another first round pick would have be involved and it would probably have to be higher than the 1.07.

You're asking too much for that pick. You get more help with 3 players than you would with that one. Auto accept.

I have the 1.01 in a league and would laugh at an offer of those 3 2nds. Three marginal players aren't better than a good/great one.

Would you have taken the trade offer I did....trading the 1.1 for 1.8, 1.9, 1.10 ?

Without going back and seeing if there were details in yours specifically, I can't say for you. It would be team dependent. I'd have to sleep on it for myself. I think it is a good offer. If I were rebuilding, I'd probably do it. In my case, I got mine via trade prior to the season. I won the league and have a strong roster, so space is short. That makes the top prospect a little more valuable for me.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

I own the 1.7,2.3,2.5 and 2.7. What would be a good offer to aquire the 1.1 using only my draft picks?

More than what you have i would assume.

I'd think the 2.03, 2.05 and 2.07 would be enough to pry the 1.01 from that owner. That guy sure needs help if he has the 1.01, right?

I own the 1.01 in two leagues and I would never do that deal. And yes, those teams need help, but I am more likely to get it with the top choice in the draft, rather than what I view as some marginal players in the 2nd round. I would trade down in the first round, but another first round pick would have be involved and it would probably have to be higher than the 1.07.

You're asking too much for that pick. You get more help with 3 players than you would with that one. Auto accept.

God no. That's a terrible offer.

 

[TheBottomLine]

Yeah I have the 1.01 in a league and wouldn't even consider trading it for a package of second rounders. Would have to get a top 5 pick in return, plus probably a later first or early second for me to even begin considering, personally.

 

[Shutout]

contract league where I have 1.02 / 1.03 / 1.07; was thinking of offering 1.03 & 7 for 1.01 and next yrs 1st. That way I get Watkins and whoever I value next after the draft.

I would never do that. Watkins could go to the Jets, thus neutralizing him. I'd much rather have picks 1.02, 3 and 7. You can get 3 starters with that. This is the deepest draft ever.

1.01 is just not worth much this year. This draft is so deep that in a 14 team league there will be guys picked in the 2nd round that could be better than picks in the top 6.

How is that different than any other year? I don't think depth really has all that much to do with it - the top guys are always the top guys. IMO Watkins is head over heels better than any other WR in this class and it's really not close.

ETA: You also make it sound like the Jets are forever doomed... a talent like Watkins could turn the offense around in no time. Don't over think this. I would do that deal.

no. In real life, QBs turn around franchises, Wrs, as great as they may be, don't.

The Cardinals did nothing with Q and Fitz until they got Warner.

THe Broncos did nothing with Thomas and Thomas and Decker until Manning.

The Lions did nothing with Calvin until they got Stafford.

It doesn't take an all-world QB but it takes something better than a 2nd year fumbling machine.

 

[Shutout]

Related to the topic, In any year, I would prefer a collection of top picks over THE top pick.

All it takes is for Watkins to go the wrong situaiton and suddenly a Sankey, Lee, Evans type of combo looks TONS better.

You can build more value with multiple picks as the draft unfolds. There are always guys out there that will see a guy "fall to 1.06" and give you a lot for them.

Sometimes we are wrong and THE guy doesn't end up being THE guy. If I am in a contest of throwing spaghetti against the wall to see what sticks, I would prefer having more than one piece of spaghetti. Give me that 3rd round piece of spaghetti that turns into Jimmy Graham any day. Since 99.9% of us here aren't actually deemed good enough at talent scouting to actually have a dream job in it, I'm going to say what we do in this hobby relies more on luck than scouting ability.

 

[The Fantasy Chef]

I own the 1.7,2.3,2.5 and 2.7. What would be a good offer to aquire the 1.1 using only my draft picks?

More than what you have i would assume.

I'd think the 2.03, 2.05 and 2.07 would be enough to pry the 1.01 from that owner. That guy sure needs help if he has the 1.01, right?

I own the 1.01 in two leagues and I would never do that deal. And yes, those teams need help, but I am more likely to get it with the top choice in the draft, rather than what I view as some marginal players in the 2nd round. I would trade down in the first round, but another first round pick would have be involved and it would probably have to be higher than the 1.07.

You're asking too much for that pick. You get more help with 3 players than you would with that one. Auto accept.

I have the 1.01 in a league and would laugh at an offer of those 3 2nds. Three marginal players aren't better than a good/great one.

Would you have taken the trade offer I did....trading the 1.1 for 1.8, 1.9, 1.10 ?

I would give it up for those three picks but I love 1st round talent

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Related to the topic, In any year, I would prefer a collection of top picks over THE top pick.

All it takes is for Watkins to go the wrong situaiton and suddenly a Sankey, Lee, Evans type of combo looks TONS better.

You can build more value with multiple picks as the draft unfolds. There are always guys out there that will see a guy "fall to 1.06" and give you a lot for them.

Sometimes we are wrong and THE guy doesn't end up being THE guy. If I am in a contest of throwing spaghetti against the wall to see what sticks, I would prefer having more than one piece of spaghetti. Give me that 3rd round piece of spaghetti that turns into Jimmy Graham any day. Since 99.9% of us here aren't actually deemed good enough at talent scouting to actually have a dream job in it, I'm going to say what we do in this hobby relies more on luck than scouting ability.

I really wish I could sell this argument to the guys in my league with the 1.01.

 

[cstu]

Related to the topic, In any year, I would prefer a collection of top picks over THE top pick.

All it takes is for Watkins to go the wrong situaiton and suddenly a Sankey, Lee, Evans type of combo looks TONS better.

You can build more value with multiple picks as the draft unfolds. There are always guys out there that will see a guy "fall to 1.06" and give you a lot for them.

Sometimes we are wrong and THE guy doesn't end up being THE guy. If I am in a contest of throwing spaghetti against the wall to see what sticks, I would prefer having more than one piece of spaghetti. Give me that 3rd round piece of spaghetti that turns into Jimmy Graham any day. Since 99.9% of us here aren't actually deemed good enough at talent scouting to actually have a dream job in it, I'm going to say what we do in this hobby relies more on luck than scouting ability.

Sure, I'll take the 1.2 and 1.3 for the 1.1 but not these 1.7 and a bunch of 2nd's for it.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I own the 1.7,2.3,2.5 and 2.7. What would be a good offer to aquire the 1.1 using only my draft picks?

More than what you have i would assume.

I'd think the 2.03, 2.05 and 2.07 would be enough to pry the 1.01 from that owner. That guy sure needs help if he has the 1.01, right?

Jesus you are clueless.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

contract league where I have 1.02 / 1.03 / 1.07; was thinking of offering 1.03 & 7 for 1.01 and next yrs 1st. That way I get Watkins and whoever I value next after the draft.

I would never do that. Watkins could go to the Jets, thus neutralizing him. I'd much rather have picks 1.02, 3 and 7. You can get 3 starters with that. This is the deepest draft ever.

1.01 is just not worth much this year. This draft is so deep that in a 14 team league there will be guys picked in the 2nd round that could be better than picks in the top 6.

How is that different than any other year? I don't think depth really has all that much to do with it - the top guys are always the top guys. IMO Watkins is head over heels better than any other WR in this class and it's really not close.

ETA: You also make it sound like the Jets are forever doomed... a talent like Watkins could turn the offense around in no time. Don't over think this. I would do that deal.

no. In real life, QBs turn around franchises, Wrs, as great as they may be, don't.

The Cardinals did nothing with Q and Fitz until they got Warner.

THe Broncos did nothing with Thomas and Thomas and Decker until Manning.

The Lions did nothing with Calvin until they got Stafford.

It doesn't take an all-world QB but it takes something better than a 2nd year fumbling machine.

The Jets were 3-1 in their last 4 games (yes, the wins came against bad teams). Geno Smith completed 58% of his passes and threw 4 TD passes against 2 interceptions. He also rushed for 3 TDs in those 4 games, and did not lose a fumble (in fact the Jets as a teams lost no fumbles in the last quarer of the season.

So wednoynek's points stands.

 

[steeler6]

Just turned down Reggie Bush and Desean Jackson for 1.1. Would have done it if I thought I had a shot at winning it all within the next 2 years (think Bush has 2 years of production left) and I'm thinking Watkins will be better than Jackson (at least I hope so).

 

[Mario Kart]

I own the 1.7,2.3,2.5 and 2.7. What would be a good offer to aquire the 1.1 using only my draft picks?

More than what you have i would assume.

I'd think the 2.03, 2.05 and 2.07 would be enough to pry the 1.01 from that owner. That guy sure needs help if he has the 1.01, right?

Jesus you are clueless.

No, you're clueless.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I own the 1.7,2.3,2.5 and 2.7. What would be a good offer to aquire the 1.1 using only my draft picks?

More than what you have i would assume.

I'd think the 2.03, 2.05 and 2.07 would be enough to pry the 1.01 from that owner. That guy sure needs help if he has the 1.01, right?

Jesus you are clueless.

No, you're clueless.

There's absolutely no way three 2nds are worth anywhere near 1.01 man. It's not remotely close. I'd imagine pretty much anyone who plays dynasty FF is going to strongly disagree with you here.