What is the street value for the 1.01 rookie pick? (1 Viewer)

[lardonastick]

I own the 1.7,2.3,2.5 and 2.7. What would be a good offer to aquire the 1.1 using only my draft picks?

More than what you have i would assume.

I'd think the 2.03, 2.05 and 2.07 would be enough to pry the 1.01 from that owner. That guy sure needs help if he has the 1.01, right?

Jesus you are clueless.

No, you're clueless.

There's absolutely no way three 2nds are worth anywhere near 1.01 man. It's not remotely close. I'd imagine pretty much anyone who plays dynasty FF is going to strongly disagree with you here.

 

[ghostguy123]

Obviously one or all of those three 2nd rounders could be better than whoever is picked number 1, see leagues where Ingram went pick 1 a few years ago......but nobody with half a brain or ANY dynasty league experience would trade the number 1 pick for three 2nds.

If you want to trade down and get more picks fine, but start by moving down to a mid 1st. You can probably get pick 5 and two 2nds for pick 1, then deal pick 5 for 3-4 2nds or more.

If you can get like seven 2nd rounders then maybe its worth it, unless there are smaller rosters in which case the entire 2nd round wouldn't be worth it.

Now, in one of my leagues there are HUGE rosters with 35 active and up to 30 taxi that can sit there for up to three years. Plus salary cap where 2nds are super cheap, plus we start 8 rb/WR/te. Even in that league I don't take picks 13, 14, 15 for pick 1, but I would probably do a deal where I got like five 2nds.

 

[Bamac]

I own the 1.7,2.3,2.5 and 2.7. What would be a good offer to aquire the 1.1 using only my draft picks?

More than what you have i would assume.

I'd think the 2.03, 2.05 and 2.07 would be enough to pry the 1.01 from that owner. That guy sure needs help if he has the 1.01, right?

Jesus you are clueless.

No, you're clueless.

There's absolutely no way three 2nds are worth anywhere near 1.01 man. It's not remotely close. I'd imagine pretty much anyone who plays dynasty FF is going to strongly disagree with you here.

MK's trolling or being ridiculous. Either way, no need to engage.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

contract league where I have 1.02 / 1.03 / 1.07; was thinking of offering 1.03 & 7 for 1.01 and next yrs 1st. That way I get Watkins and whoever I value next after the draft.

The RB group looks pretty strong in 2014. Much better than most seasons. Perhaps as good as 2008 RB group?

I agree with your overall post, but I don't believe this statement to be true. Would you say this year is better than last year? I wouldn't.

 

[JohnnyU]

Obviously one or all of those three 2nd rounders could be better than whoever is picked number 1, see leagues where Ingram went pick 1 a few years ago......but nobody with half a brain or ANY dynasty league experience would trade the number 1 pick for three 2nds.

If you want to trade down and get more picks fine, but start by moving down to a mid 1st. You can probably get pick 5 and two 2nds for pick 1, then deal pick 5 for 3-4 2nds or more.

If you can get like seven 2nd rounders then maybe its worth it, unless there are smaller rosters in which case the entire 2nd round wouldn't be worth it.

Now, in one of my leagues there are HUGE rosters with 35 active and up to 30 taxi that can sit there for up to three years. Plus salary cap where 2nds are super cheap, plus we start 8 rb/WR/te. Even in that league I don't take picks 13, 14, 15 for pick 1, but I would probably do a deal where I got like five 2nds.

Obviously the guy who did that is thinking NFL trading, not fantasy, and certainly not dynasty. I'm sure he will learn from this experience.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

contract league where I have 1.02 / 1.03 / 1.07; was thinking of offering 1.03 & 7 for 1.01 and next yrs 1st. That way I get Watkins and whoever I value next after the draft.

The RB group looks pretty strong in 2014. Much better than most seasons. Perhaps as good as 2008 RB group?

I agree with your overall post, but I don't believe this statement to be true. Would you say this year is better than last year? I wouldn't.

I think it's about the same from a talent standpoint (this class may be slightly better and deeper overall), but the 2013 class' value was greatly aided by so many backs landing in ideal situations, i.e. handed a starting role in 2013 or the heir apparent for 2014.

If free agency starts flling the holes that are open now, this class may not be aided by the benefit of the "immediacy factor".

 

[MoveToSkypager]

contract league where I have 1.02 / 1.03 / 1.07; was thinking of offering 1.03 & 7 for 1.01 and next yrs 1st. That way I get Watkins and whoever I value next after the draft.

The RB group looks pretty strong in 2014. Much better than most seasons. Perhaps as good as 2008 RB group?

I agree with your overall post, but I don't believe this statement to be true. Would you say this year is better than last year? I wouldn't.

I think it's about the same from a talent standpoint (this class may be slightly better and deeper overall), but the 2013 class' value was greatly aided by so many backs landing in ideal situations, i.e. handed a starting role in 2013 or the heir apparent for 2014.

If free agency starts flling the holes that are open now, this class may not be aided by the benefit of the "immediacy factor".

That sounds great. I don't believe it. Your post sounds like someone that thought last year's RB bunch was poor and is now finding reasons that it did better than expected. Last year Bernard had to fight an entrenched starter and was still more relevant in part time work. Ellington had to beat out another rookie and a veteran FA. Bell had to deal with a horrible run blocking OL, an early injury and a take no #### HC. Lacy had to deal with an early injury and another rookie competitor. Stacy had to deal with 2nd year players with high expectations and injuries. All of these guys had excuses to not play well if the class weren't good enough to stand on its own merit, but they didn't need them. We won't be able to answer this question for a few years, but if last year's RB class was as weak as people said it was, then these players will be replaced soon. I don't think they will. Also, I can't remember many times at all when a RB class as a whole didn't benefit from immediate need.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

contract league where I have 1.02 / 1.03 / 1.07; was thinking of offering 1.03 & 7 for 1.01 and next yrs 1st. That way I get Watkins and whoever I value next after the draft.

The RB group looks pretty strong in 2014. Much better than most seasons. Perhaps as good as 2008 RB group?

I agree with your overall post, but I don't believe this statement to be true. Would you say this year is better than last year? I wouldn't.

I think it's about the same from a talent standpoint (this class may be slightly better and deeper overall), but the 2013 class' value was greatly aided by so many backs landing in ideal situations, i.e. handed a starting role in 2013 or the heir apparent for 2014.

If free agency starts flling the holes that are open now, this class may not be aided by the benefit of the "immediacy factor".

That sounds great. I don't believe it. Your post sounds like someone that thought last year's RB bunch was poor and is now finding reasons that it did better than expected.

You're misinterpreting it then or maybe I just wasn't very clear. I think both classes are/were talented - I'm just talking from a fantasy perspective that immediate opportunity aides (fantasy) value.

Eddie Lacy would be just as talented if he landed in Minnesota and was backing up Adrian Peterson, but his fantasy value increased once he was drafted by Green Bay, who had much lesser competition for carries, and even more so now that he's had the chance to show he can be productive.

I do like the overall "talent" of Hill, Mason, Seastrunk, Hyde, et. al a little better than Bernard, Lacy, Bell, Stacy ,et al. from a prospect standpoint, but it's close - I was not as down on last year's class as most. Thought there was great depth.

The sophomores already had their chance to show their stuff so it's tough to look past that though (it's going to cloud our thinking) - Hyde may be a better talent than Lacy (but it would be tugh to make that trade right now even of you beleived it to be true).

 

[Dr. Octopus]

We won't be able to answer this question for a few years, but if last year's RB class was as weak as people said it was, then these players will be replaced soon. I don't think they will. Also, I can't remember many times at all when a RB class as a whole didn't benefit from immediate need.

If you dig up EBF's thread discussing that Lacy, Bell and Stacy are all over-rated, you'll see that I am of this same mindset as you.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

contract league where I have 1.02 / 1.03 / 1.07; was thinking of offering 1.03 & 7 for 1.01 and next yrs 1st. That way I get Watkins and whoever I value next after the draft.

The RB group looks pretty strong in 2014. Much better than most seasons. Perhaps as good as 2008 RB group?

I agree with your overall post, but I don't believe this statement to be true. Would you say this year is better than last year? I wouldn't.

I think it's about the same from a talent standpoint (this class may be slightly better and deeper overall), but the 2013 class' value was greatly aided by so many backs landing in ideal situations, i.e. handed a starting role in 2013 or the heir apparent for 2014.

If free agency starts flling the holes that are open now, this class may not be aided by the benefit of the "immediacy factor".

That sounds great. I don't believe it. Your post sounds like someone that thought last year's RB bunch was poor and is now finding reasons that it did better than expected.

You're misinterpreting it then or maybe I just wasn't very clear. I think both classes are/were talented - I'm just talking from a fantasy perspective that immediate opportunity aides (fantasy) value.

Eddie Lacy would be just as talented if he landed in Minnesota and was backing up Adrian Peterson, but his fantasy value increased once he was drafted by Green Bay, who had much lesser competition for carries, and even more so now that he's had the chance to show he can be productive.

I do like the overall "talent" of Hill, Mason, Seastrunk, Hyde, et. al a little better than Bernard, Lacy, Bell, Stacy ,et al. from a prospect standpoint, but it's close - I was not as down on last year's class as most. Thought there was great depth.

The sophomores already had their chance to show their stuff so it's tough to look past that though (it's going to cloud our thinking) - Hyde may be a better talent than Lacy (but it would be tugh to make that trade right now even of you beleived it to be true).

I probably misinterpreted your original statement.

 

[ghostguy123]

Obviously one or all of those three 2nd rounders could be better than whoever is picked number 1, see leagues where Ingram went pick 1 a few years ago......but nobody with half a brain or ANY dynasty league experience would trade the number 1 pick for three 2nds.

If you want to trade down and get more picks fine, but start by moving down to a mid 1st. You can probably get pick 5 and two 2nds for pick 1, then deal pick 5 for 3-4 2nds or more.

If you can get like seven 2nd rounders then maybe its worth it, unless there are smaller rosters in which case the entire 2nd round wouldn't be worth it.

Now, in one of my leagues there are HUGE rosters with 35 active and up to 30 taxi that can sit there for up to three years. Plus salary cap where 2nds are super cheap, plus we start 8 rb/WR/te. Even in that league I don't take picks 13, 14, 15 for pick 1, but I would probably do a deal where I got like five 2nds.

Obviously the guy who did that is thinking NFL trading, not fantasy, and certainly not dynasty. I'm sure he will learn from this experience.

Learn by going broke. Yep.

 

[JohnnyU]

Obviously one or all of those three 2nd rounders could be better than whoever is picked number 1, see leagues where Ingram went pick 1 a few years ago......but nobody with half a brain or ANY dynasty league experience would trade the number 1 pick for three 2nds.

If you want to trade down and get more picks fine, but start by moving down to a mid 1st. You can probably get pick 5 and two 2nds for pick 1, then deal pick 5 for 3-4 2nds or more.

If you can get like seven 2nd rounders then maybe its worth it, unless there are smaller rosters in which case the entire 2nd round wouldn't be worth it.

Now, in one of my leagues there are HUGE rosters with 35 active and up to 30 taxi that can sit there for up to three years. Plus salary cap where 2nds are super cheap, plus we start 8 rb/WR/te. Even in that league I don't take picks 13, 14, 15 for pick 1, but I would probably do a deal where I got like five 2nds.

Obviously the guy who did that is thinking NFL trading, not fantasy, and certainly not dynasty. I'm sure he will learn from this experience.

Learn by going broke. Yep.

That might be a slight exaggeration.

 

[False Start]

When evaluating the 1.01, I say this. Never take a gamble over a proven stud. I notice a lot of people always over pay for picks with proven guys hoping to get a proven guy in a gamble. I don't get it. What you consider a stud is up for debate though.

 

[fightingillini]

I own the 1.7,2.3,2.5 and 2.7. What would be a good offer to aquire the 1.1 using only my draft picks?

More than what you have i would assume.

I'd think the 2.03, 2.05 and 2.07 would be enough to pry the 1.01 from that owner. That guy sure needs help if he has the 1.01, right?

You can't be serious. 3 2nd rounders for the 1.1? Hey at least I would get a nice laugh if I was offered that garbage.

IMO, the Fantasy Chef doesn't have enough ammo with his picks alone to acquire the 1.1.

 

[Mario Kart]

I own the 1.7,2.3,2.5 and 2.7. What would be a good offer to aquire the 1.1 using only my draft picks?

More than what you have i would assume.

I'd think the 2.03, 2.05 and 2.07 would be enough to pry the 1.01 from that owner. That guy sure needs help if he has the 1.01, right?

You can't be serious. 3 2nd rounders for the 1.1? Hey at least I would get a nice laugh if I was offered that garbage.

IMO, the Fantasy Chef doesn't have enough ammo with his picks alone to acquire the 1.1.

Insta-Accept

 

[ghostguy123]

Depending on league size, all 4 of those picks would be a good offer for pick 1, with a chance of being accepted.

 

[squistion]

Obviously the guy who did that is thinking NFL trading, not fantasy, and certainly not dynasty. I'm sure he will learn from this experience.

Nope - doesn't look like it.

Mario Kart has just doubled down and still thinks getting 3 2nds for the 1.01 is an Insta-Accept deal (see above).

 

[ghostguy123]

At least it is good to see that Mario kart will insta accept offers even though its painfully obvious he would get more if he just asks.

 

[The Fantasy Chef]

Obviously the guy who did that is thinking NFL trading, not fantasy, and certainly not dynasty. I'm sure he will learn from this experience.

Nope - doesn't look like it.

Mario Kart has just doubled down and still thinks getting 3 2nds for the 1.01 is an Insta-Accept deal (see above).

He is playing devils advocate he told me in a pm that no one will ever except three twos for the 1.01. He's goating you guys

 

[squistion]

Obviously the guy who did that is thinking NFL trading, not fantasy, and certainly not dynasty. I'm sure he will learn from this experience.

Nope - doesn't look like it.

Mario Kart has just doubled down and still thinks getting 3 2nds for the 1.01 is an Insta-Accept deal (see above).

He is playing devils advocate he told me in a pm that no one will ever except three twos for the 1.01. He's goating you guys

That is being a troll not a devil's advocate. At least for future reference we know he doesn't mean anything he says.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Obviously the guy who did that is thinking NFL trading, not fantasy, and certainly not dynasty. I'm sure he will learn from this experience.

Nope - doesn't look like it.

Mario Kart has just doubled down and still thinks getting 3 2nds for the 1.01 is an Insta-Accept deal (see above).

He is playing devils advocate he told me in a pm that no one will ever except three twos for the 1.01. He's goating you guys

I think he would. I think he has.

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

10 team league, Dez Bryant with a 3 year contract (5 yr max per player) was offered straight up for the 1.01 and it was turned down.

 

[Adam Harstad]

10 team league, Dez Bryant with a 3 year contract (5 yr max per player) was offered straight up for the 1.01 and it was turned down.

Ouch. Give me Dez every day of the week. Sure, he only has 3 years, but Watkins will probably burn at least 2 seasons getting to the point where Dez is at now, which means by the time he's carrying fantasy teams, he'll only have 3 years, too. Assuming he ever reaches that point.

 

[Donsmith753]

Salary cap /contracts league so this may have a small effect.

Was just offered the 1.3 and 1.4 for my 1.1.

Leaning towards turning it down.

 

[Penguin]

Just saw 1.01 go for 1.06 & Julius Thomas in a 12 team PPR

 

[ghostguy123]

10 team league, Dez Bryant with a 3 year contract (5 yr max per player) was offered straight up for the 1.01 and it was turned down.

Ouch. Give me Dez every day of the week. Sure, he only has 3 years, but Watkins will probably burn at least 2 seasons getting to the point where Dez is at now, which means by the time he's carrying fantasy teams, he'll only have 3 years, too. Assuming he ever reaches that point.

Yeah, whoever turned that down is nuts, or is doing a rebuild where they specifically are trying to win 4 years from now. And even if that is so, ya still take Dez and just re-deal him for more.

 

[LongDuckDong]

Salary cap /contracts league so this may have a small effect.

Was just offered the 1.3 and 1.4 for my 1.1.

Leaning towards turning it down.

If you're in love with someone, obviously pass.

Its an interesting issue - if Watkins/Evans go 1/2, you're now taking either a WR in a great situation or the RB who is a day 1 starter with both 3 and 4. Not sure which way I'd go. I know I've offered less with the #3 to get to #1 and the other owner is considering (or hasnt said no yet).

I have no feel for this rookie draft at all - it's deep, but are picks 1.3 to 1.7 or so going to be better than picks 1.8-2.2 or so?? Really unsure.

 

[drew1976]

Contemplating an offer for the 1.1 - PPR ten teamer:

Robert Woods, 1.3 and 2.4 (10 teamer, pick 14 overall). This would leave me with 1.3, 1.7, 1.9 and 2.4.

I have a solid team (Luck, ADP, LBell, Harvin, Floyd, Fitzgerald, Kendall Wright).

For some reason this year I have a feeling that Watkins/Evans are going to go to Jets/Jags/Raiders/Bucs/Rams so no clear 1 will emerge.

Plus if an RB lands in a great spot, could muddy the waters more and even up 1.1-1.3.

 

[Biabreakable]

Contemplating an offer for the 1.1 - PPR ten teamer:

Robert Woods, 1.3 and 2.4 (10 teamer, pick 14 overall). This would leave me with 1.3, 1.7, 1.9 and 2.4.

I have a solid team (Luck, ADP, LBell, Harvin, Floyd, Fitzgerald, Kendall Wright).

For some reason this year I have a feeling that Watkins/Evans are going to go to Jets/Jags/Raiders/Bucs/Rams so no clear 1 will emerge.

Plus if an RB lands in a great spot, could muddy the waters more and even up 1.1-1.3.

Where would you rank Woods among the WR the 2014 WR group?

1.3 and 2.4 seem like a good offer as I think you will be able to draft a quality player at 14.

How good you think Woods is should determine if you walk or run to take this deal imo. I like Woods quite a bit but I don't see him cracking the top 10 of a combined 2013-2014 WR group. I currently have him as the 7th best WR from the 2013 class and I like the top 5 of the 2014 over all of the 2013 WR group. That is likely where I would slot Patterson in a combined ranking is 3rd to 6th overall. So in my estimation Woods is worth an early 2nd round pick in your draft.

 

[squistion]

Contemplating an offer for the 1.1 - PPR ten teamer:

Robert Woods, 1.3 and 2.4 (10 teamer, pick 14 overall). This would leave me with 1.3, 1.7, 1.9 and 2.4.

I have a solid team (Luck, ADP, LBell, Harvin, Floyd, Fitzgerald, Kendall Wright).

For some reason this year I have a feeling that Watkins/Evans are going to go to Jets/Jags/Raiders/Bucs/Rams so no clear 1 will emerge.

Plus if an RB lands in a great spot, could muddy the waters more and even up 1.1-1.3.

Where would you rank Woods among the WR the 2014 WR group?

1.3 and 2.4 seem like a good offer as I think you will be able to draft a quality player at 14.

How good you think Woods is should determine if you walk or run to take this deal imo. I like Woods quite a bit but I don't see him cracking the top 10 of a combined 2013-2014 WR group. I currently have him as the 7th best WR from the 2013 class and I like the top 5 of the 2014 over all of the 2013 WR group. That is likely where I would slot Patterson in a combined ranking is 3rd to 6th overall. So in my estimation Woods is worth an early 2nd round pick in your draft.

I dunno how good Woods is, but I keep getting offers from his owners in multiple leagues trying to unload him for a draft pick (usually late 1st/early 2nd) which indicates to me that they think he is overvalued and/or have little confidence is his future.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I offered a mid 1st, late 1st and 2015 1st for 1.01... thought I was over paying but guess I was wrong

 

[Biabreakable]

A quick ranking of 2013 with 2014 draft prospects at RB/WR-

Sammy Watkins
Mike Evans
Gio Bernard
Eddie Lacy
Bishop Sankey
Cordelle Patterson
Keenan Allen
Odell Beckham
Marqise Lee
Brandin Cooks
DeAndre Hopkins
Tavon Austin
Kelvin Benjamin
Tyler Eifert
LeVeon Bell
Zac Stacy
Charles Sims
Allen Robinson
Carlos Hyde
Isaiah Crowell
Lache Seastrunk
Tre Mason
Terrance Williams
Robert Woods
Andre Ellington
Justin Hunter
EJ Manuel
Devante Adams
Christine Michael
Monte Ball
Kenny Stills
Jerick McKinnon
Devonta Freeman
Jarvis Landry
Kadeem Carey
Jeremy Hill
Marcus Lattimore
Stedman Bailey
Travis Kelce
Jordan Reed
Jordan Matthews
Terrance West
Donte Moncrief

I am still learning about the 2014 guys but this is what I came up with after thinking about it for awhile. This might be an interesting thread topic.

 

[ghostguy123]

I offered a mid 1st, late 1st and 2015 1st for 1.01... thought I was over paying but guess I was wrong

Very close, but I think I would prefer the picks. I assume this was something like picks 7, 11 and a 2015 1st of a team that looks like a playoff team?

 

[Bamac]

A quick ranking of 2013 with 2014 draft prospects at RB/WR-

Sammy Watkins

Mike Evans

Bishop Sankey

Odell Beckham

Marqise Lee

Brandin Cooks

Kelvin Benjamin

Charles Sims

Allen Robinson

Carlos Hyde

Isaiah Crowell

Lache Seastrunk

Tre Mason

Devante Adams

Jerick McKinnon

Devonta Freeman

Jarvis Landry

Kadeem Carey

Jeremy Hill

Jordan Matthews

Terrance West

Donte Moncrief

I am still learning about the 2014 guys but this is what I came up with after thinking about it for awhile. This might be an interesting thread topic.

I know 2013 was supposed to be a weak class, but this might be a little harsh.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I offered a mid 1st, late 1st and 2015 1st for 1.01... thought I was over paying but guess I was wrong

Very close, but I think I would prefer the picks. I assume this was something like picks 7, 11 and a 2015 1st of a team that looks like a playoff team?

yeap.... it was countered w/ me changing the mid 1st into my early one but not happening.

 

[Biabreakable]

A quick ranking of 2013 with 2014 draft prospects at RB/WR-

Sammy Watkins

Mike Evans

Bishop Sankey

Odell Beckham

Marqise Lee

Brandin Cooks

Kelvin Benjamin

Charles Sims

Allen Robinson

Carlos Hyde

Isaiah Crowell

Lache Seastrunk

Tre Mason

Devante Adams

Jerick McKinnon

Devonta Freeman

Jarvis Landry

Kadeem Carey

Jeremy Hill

Jordan Matthews

Terrance West

Donte Moncrief

I am still learning about the 2014 guys but this is what I came up with after thinking about it for awhile. This might be an interesting thread topic.

I know 2013 was supposed to be a weak class, but this might be a little harsh.

Oops wrong list.

Sammy Watkins
Mike Evans
Gio Bernard
Eddie Lacy
Bishop Sankey
Cordelle Patterson
Keenan Allen
Odell Beckham
Marqise Lee
Brandin Cooks
DeAndre Hopkins
Tavon Austin
Kelvin Benjamin
Tyler Eifert
LeVeon Bell
Zac Stacy
Charles Sims
Allen Robinson
Carlos Hyde
Isaiah Crowell
Lache Seastrunk
Tre Mason
Terrance Williams
Robert Woods
Andre Ellington
Justin Hunter
EJ Manuel
Devante Adams
Christine Michael
Monte Ball
Kenny Stills
Jerick McKinnon
Devonta Freeman
Jarvis Landry
Kadeem Carey
Jeremy Hill
Marcus Lattimore
Stedman Bailey
Travis Kelce
Jordan Reed
Jordan Matthews
Terrance West
Donte Moncrief

 

[ghostguy123]

Mike Evans is agead of every rookie from last year? I don't even think Watkins should be.

 

[Biabreakable]

Maybe not with the benefit of hindsight.

But they do seem to be rated higher as prospects than the other WR were. So in a combined list should also be I think?

 

[ghostguy123]

Here is a quick question about the #1 pick. Let's say you have the #1 pick and your team is fairly weak, so of course you need to look to rebuild. So you think of trading your guys like Sjax, Foster, Colston.........................to get picks and/or young potential.

But let's say someone else is in kind of the same boat as you, and they also want to rebuild, but they want the #1 pick from you and are willing to deal you several vets.

Lets say you get offered something like this for the #1 (assuming 12 team PPR)

Ray Rice

Wes Welker

Roddy White

Jason Witten

Not too many people I see on here have any of these guys ranked higher than a late 1st, so this looks to be about the same as a couple late 1sts and a couple early 2nds.

Of course if you did this deal you have like a possible 2 year window and then you are staring at a pretty tough rebuild, but adding these players to your team would certainly make you a pretty competitive team NOW and for a couple years alongside what you already have (assumign you ave a few more decent players than the ones I named earlier).

I am not even sure which side I would really do, but I think I would take the players and try and win for two years.

 

[ghostguy123]

Maybe not with the benefit of hindsight.

But they do seem to be rated higher as prospects than the other WR were. So in a combined list should also be I think?

So then you are looking at how those rookies were viewed before they were drafted compared with the rookies now before they are drafted? If thats the case sure.

BUt if you factor in how some of these guys look on an actual NFL field, there is no way I put Evans above at least 7-8 of them, and even Watkins is behind a handful of them

 

[Biabreakable]

Maybe not with the benefit of hindsight.

But they do seem to be rated higher as prospects than the other WR were. So in a combined list should also be I think?

So then you are looking at how those rookies were viewed before they were drafted compared with the rookies now before they are drafted? If thats the case sure.

BUt if you factor in how some of these guys look on an actual NFL field, there is no way I put Evans above at least 7-8 of them, and even Watkins is behind a handful of them

It is not an easy thing to do I agree. To try to forget what the rookies have already shown compared to complete unknown. I know I favored players from 2013 because of this in how I listed them. At the same time I tried to think about them as prospects not for what they accomplished already when comparing them to the 2014 group.

The 2014 draft class is better than 2013 by quite a bit. So that went into my consideration as well. Anticipating that those 2 WR will be drafted in the top 15 picks.

 

[ghostguy123]

It is not an easy thing to do I agree. To try to forget what the rookies have already shown compared to complete unknown. I know I favored players from 2013 because of this in how I listed them. At the same time I tried to think about them as prospects not for what they accomplished already when comparing them to the 2014 group.

The 2014 draft class is better than 2013 by quite a bit. So that went into my consideration as well. Anticipating that those 2 WR will be drafted in the top 15 picks.

Well yeah, this draft class is a lot better if you just look at the prospects and forget the 2013 season ever happened.

Doesnt mean AT ALL that they will do anywhere near as well as last years class this year though, or in the future.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Here is a quick question about the #1 pick. Let's say you have the #1 pick and your team is fairly weak, so of course you need to look to rebuild. So you think of trading your guys like Sjax, Foster, Colston.........................to get picks and/or young potential.

But let's say someone else is in kind of the same boat as you, and they also want to rebuild, but they want the #1 pick from you and are willing to deal you several vets.

Lets say you get offered something like this for the #1 (assuming 12 team PPR)

Ray Rice

Wes Welker

Roddy White

Jason Witten

Not too many people I see on here have any of these guys ranked higher than a late 1st, so this looks to be about the same as a couple late 1sts and a couple early 2nds.

Of course if you did this deal you have like a possible 2 year window and then you are staring at a pretty tough rebuild, but adding these players to your team would certainly make you a pretty competitive team NOW and for a couple years alongside what you already have (assumign you ave a few more decent players than the ones I named earlier).

I am not even sure which side I would really do, but I think I would take the players and try and win for two years.

Welker / White / Witten are running on fumes IMO and Rice is coming off a bad yr plus whatever happens with his charges. I'd say no to this and just start my rebuild around Watkins

 

[ghostguy123]

Welker / White / Witten are running on fumes IMO and Rice is coming off a bad yr plus whatever happens with his charges. I'd say no to this and just start my rebuild around Watkins

Forgot about the Rice legal stuff. Just assume for the purposes of this that Rice gets no suspension or anything.

And while Welker, White, and Witten are "running on fumes", they are still running, and look to score well a couple more years. I have zero reason to think they wont.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Welker / White / Witten are running on fumes IMO and Rice is coming off a bad yr plus whatever happens with his charges. I'd say no to this and just start my rebuild around Watkins

And while Welker, White, and Witten are "running on fumes", they are still running, and look to score well a couple more years. I have zero reason to think they wont.

Teams that are winning fantasy leagues aren't filled with Welker, White, SJax types. Those are filler type guys. Sure they can add to a team but the teams winning titles are ones with a couple of the true studs like Charles/Calvin.

There is no way i'd take those scrubby vets for 1.01.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Welker / White / Witten are running on fumes IMO and Rice is coming off a bad yr plus whatever happens with his charges. I'd say no to this and just start my rebuild around Watkins

Forgot about the Rice legal stuff. Just assume for the purposes of this that Rice gets no suspension or anything.

And while Welker, White, and Witten are "running on fumes", they are still running, and look to score well a couple more years. I have zero reason to think they wont.

even still, Rice is on his 27/28 age group now so even though hes the best player in the package hes even on the downslope. Its a decent package and I woudn't kill anyone that accepted it but as stated above, those aren't the type of players that will dominate a league anymore; they have all become more of mid round depth chart guys. If I was accepting a package for 1.01 it would have to have atleast 1 player that still has half his career left, not 4 that I'll most likely be dropping in 2 to 3 yrs.

 

[ghostguy123]

That's kind of the point though. Instead of two players that look to have like 3-4 decent years left, this is four players that look to have a couple decent years left. All about window of opportunity.

Nothing worse than being the team finishing around the 500 mark every year.

Like I said, push come to shove, I don't know if i deal the #1 for that. But if my team is littered with older guys who still produce, and those guys pretty much assure me a playoff spot for a couple years, I would have to think long and hard about it.

 

[ghostguy123]

Oh, and in case i didn't mention, I am not sold that watkins is going to be a stud.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Like I said, push come to shove, I don't know if i deal the #1 for that. But if my team is littered with older guys who still produce, and those guys pretty much assure me a playoff spot for a couple years, I would have to think long and hard about it.

that's the rub, those guys aren't the type who assure you of any playoff spot over the next couple years.

 

[ghostguy123]

Like I said, push come to shove, I don't know if i deal the #1 for that. But if my team is littered with older guys who still produce, and those guys pretty much assure me a playoff spot for a couple years, I would have to think long and hard about it.

that's the rub, those guys aren't the type who assure you of any playoff spot over the next couple years.

Give me 11-12 guys like that in a league where you start 7, and that team is making the playoffs.