What is the value of the #1 overall selection (1 Viewer)

[Finatic]

I would just take Maroney, Williams and White and

jesus man, I think you're in MUCH better shape than the guy with 1.01 and I think you know that too, quit making us salivating over your picks

I suppose your both right. It just chaps my butt that I went to all that trouble targeting Bush way back in September and now I would have to pay through the gills just to get him. Landing those 3 RBs would be a nice way to get over the hurt though.

I would rather have the 3 picks Jurb,talk about instant rebuilding

 

[sparkky]

I have the #1 pick in a second year 10 team dynasty league :(I have been offered Priest and Joe Horn for it. also offered T. Jones, #7 & 8 for it. I own Benson.also offered #7 & 8 for Benson. the last 2 offers were more realistic than the first, IMHO.

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

Well i own the 1.01 rookie pick in my dynasty league as well and i want to see what its worth....or is it better off for me to let him develop on my roster.......My roster pretty much sucked this year, alot of younger guys that did very little and most of them faith is not known right now....

Here is my roster:

Grossman, Rex CHI

Schaub, Matt ATL

Vick, Michael ATL

Betts, Ladell WAS

Davenport, Najeh GBP

Foster, De'shaun CAR

Henry, Travis TEN

Peterson, Adrian CHI

Rhodes, Dominic IND

Shelton, Eric CAR

Bradley, Mark CHI

Bryant, Antonio CLE

Crayton, Patrick DAL

Edwards, Braylon CLE

Henry, Chris CIN

Jones, Brandon TEN

Rogers, Charles DET

Williams, Mike DET

Miller, Heath PIT

Stevens, Jerramy SEA

Bears, Chicago CHI Def

I dont have a SOLID rb as of now, Foster may sign somewhere but my gut is telling me he will hold the same reserve role elsewhere as he did this year...Najeh also will catch on as a backup IMO...especially after the injury. T.Henry may luck into a starter role in tennesee but he did nothing special to deserve anything....only thing working for him is that C.Brown is now injured again and is a free agent. So my RB position sucks right now and i had planned on using the draft to make it all better..... I like my YOUNG wr's but they need alot of experience to be some real diffrence makers...and they need to stay healthy, most of all of them injured or was. Bradley Braylon and C.Henry are my favorites.

Well back to my reason of posting this:

I OWN these dynasty rookie/fa draft picks:

1.01

1.02

1.04

1.05

1.06

1.08

1.09

At 1.01 I was looking to take Bush unless i get an offer i cant refuse....maybe someone like LJ...or something like Caddy and a pick or player...I need a STUD to build my dynasty around.....Have to really consider my team value over the next few years while making trades also...I doubt i win anything in the 2007, never know but its somestrong teams in that dynasty league.

At 1.02 (if i keep this pick) I will also be looking to add another strong future STUD rb...(Maroney-DeAngelo-LenDale) My rb's core needs help, but not sure if i should gamble on the rooks are if i was offered a player like Rudi or McGahee or Tiki...I might would part with that pick.

1.04-1.06 Still RB's RB's RB's how ever i might change my mind and grab Vince Young if he comes out and lands in Arizona or would take Leinart if he went to Arizona.....and if Leinart did I would really consider him for the 1.02 pick.

1.08-1.09 Taking the best players left....wether that be a stud TE even though i have H.Miller and Stevens....or would probaly take a qb there if i dont take one in my 1st 5 picks...

I would like to see what Reggie Bush is worth as well......

I know in my other dynasty league....Im set to offer LT for 1.01 and Fitz.....

 

[jurb26]

I have the #1 pick in a second year 10 team dynasty league :(

I have been offered Priest and Joe Horn for it.

also offered T. Jones, #7 & 8 for it. I own Benson.

also offered #7 & 8 for Benson.

the last 2 offers were more realistic than the first, IMHO.

How dare you show your face in here JK of course, let me know if you wana deal.

 

[cscmtp]

well i posted in this thread back in October that i traded Walker for the 1.1 rookie pick (or the team i was sure would end up with the 1.1 pick, which they did) But 4 weeks ago, i traded that 1.1 pick, my first round pick (1.5), J.Lewis, Wilford, and Colbert for Steve Smith, S. Moss, and A. Green. I don't know if Green will ever be a starter again, but i'm really happy to have 2 great explosive WRs like Smith and Moss for years to come. With all this talk of Bush now, would most of you guys prefer Smith, Moss, and Green or Bush, Lewis, Wilford, Colbert, etc?

 

[jeter23]

Well i own the 1.01 rookie pick in my dynasty league as well and i want to see what its worth....or is it better off for me to let him develop on my roster.......My roster pretty much sucked this year, alot of younger guys that did very little and most of them faith is not known right now....

Here is my roster:

Grossman, Rex CHI

Schaub, Matt ATL

Vick, Michael ATL

Betts, Ladell WAS

Davenport, Najeh GBP

Foster, De'shaun CAR

Henry, Travis TEN

Peterson, Adrian CHI

Rhodes, Dominic IND

Shelton, Eric CAR

Bradley, Mark CHI

Bryant, Antonio CLE

Crayton, Patrick DAL

Edwards, Braylon CLE

Henry, Chris CIN

Jones, Brandon TEN

Rogers, Charles DET

Williams, Mike DET

Miller, Heath PIT

Stevens, Jerramy SEA

Bears, Chicago CHI Def

I dont have a SOLID rb as of now, Foster may sign somewhere but my gut is telling me he will hold the same reserve role elsewhere as he did this year...Najeh also will catch on as a backup IMO...especially after the injury. T.Henry may luck into a starter role in tennesee but he did nothing special to deserve anything....only thing working for him is that C.Brown is now injured again and is a free agent. So my RB position sucks right now and i had planned on using the draft to make it all better..... I like my YOUNG wr's but they need alot of experience to be some real diffrence makers...and they need to stay healthy, most of all of them injured or was. Bradley Braylon and C.Henry are my favorites.

Well back to my reason of posting this:

I OWN these dynasty rookie/fa draft picks:

1.01

1.02

1.04

1.05

1.06

1.08

1.09

At 1.01 I was looking to take Bush unless i get an offer i cant refuse....maybe someone like LJ...or something like Caddy and a pick or player...I need a STUD to build my dynasty around.....Have to really consider my team value over the next few years while making trades also...I doubt i win anything in the 2007, never know but its somestrong teams in that dynasty league.

At 1.02 (if i keep this pick) I will also be looking to add another strong future STUD rb...(Maroney-DeAngelo-LenDale) My rb's core needs help, but not sure if i should gamble on the rooks are if i was offered a player like Rudi or McGahee or Tiki...I might would part with that pick.

1.04-1.06 Still RB's RB's RB's how ever i might change my mind and grab Vince Young if he comes out and lands in Arizona or would take Leinart if he went to Arizona.....and if Leinart did I would really consider him for the 1.02 pick.

1.08-1.09 Taking the best players left....wether that be a stud TE even though i have H.Miller and Stevens....or would probaly take a qb there if i dont take one in my 1st 5 picks...

I would like to see what Reggie Bush is worth as well......

I know in my other dynasty league....Im set to offer LT for 1.01 and Fitz.....

I would take the following:1.01 Bush

1.02 Williams

1.04 White/Maroney

1.05 Leinart

1.06 Young

1.08/1.09 Best WR/RB left (Bush, Hagan, Moss, etc)

I'd love to have all of those picks!!

 

[jeter23]

well i posted in this thread back in October that i traded Walker for the 1.1 rookie pick (or the team i was sure would end up with the 1.1 pick, which they did) But 4 weeks ago, i traded that 1.1 pick, my first round pick (1.5), J.Lewis, Wilford, and Colbert for Steve Smith, S. Moss, and A. Green. I don't know if Green will ever be a starter again, but i'm really happy to have 2 great explosive WRs like Smith and Moss for years to come. With all this talk of Bush now, would most of you guys prefer Smith, Moss, and Green or Bush, Lewis, Wilford, Colbert, etc?

I would say Bush and Lewis for sure, not knowing what the rest of your roster looks like. Of course, if Moss carried you to a title, it might have been worth it.

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

well i posted in this thread back in October that i traded Walker for the 1.1 rookie pick (or the team i was sure would end up with the 1.1 pick, which they did) But 4 weeks ago, i traded that 1.1 pick, my first round pick (1.5), J.Lewis, Wilford, and Colbert for Steve Smith, S. Moss, and A. Green. I don't know if Green will ever be a starter again, but i'm really happy to have 2 great explosive WRs like Smith and Moss for years to come. With all this talk of Bush now, would most of you guys prefer Smith, Moss, and Green or Bush, Lewis, Wilford, Colbert, etc?

I would way rather have the other side of that trade you did....especially in a DYNASTY. Wr come around alot...and just that 1.01 pick alone could have landed you a top wideout and a good rb. So you traded:1.01 (most likely Bush)

1.05 (most likely another good rb....with maybe Bush Maroney Lendale DeAngelo gone this might be where to take M.Bush/J.Harrison/Calhoun or another top prospect.)

Jamal Lewis (could sign with another team if not franchised and become good once again)

E.Wilford (i have him and like him alot...Jimmy smith is old and they have 3 nice young talents at wideout...may let jimmy walk and go with Wilford and Reggie/Matt Jones for starters.

K.Colbert (a nice buy low candidate IMO)

for

A.Green (forgive me but i think he's DONE, i thought that before he got hurt...same way i feel about Dillon....we are talking dynasty leagues here.) :(

S.Smith (nice...top wideout for season to come....I likes him alot but he does not justify that trade )

S.Moss (i still have my doubt so we may view him diffrently...if i had him i would sell high on him) that bad strretch he went through kinda scared me....and then alot of those double td's games makes me wonder....is is numbers inflated by really great games? Who knows on that one but if you like him cool.

What you think i sould do about my situation posted above?

 

[The Gator]

Just to give people an idea of how the 1.1 owners value the pick.

I offered Steven Jackson, Andre Johnson, 1.10, all my 2007 picks

for

1.1

Was rejected.

In another league I offered Larry Johnson for 1.1 and it was accepted. Doesn't look so good at this point, but I don't like the aging KC offense and Bush is 7 years younger.

Bottom line, owners of the 1.1 are valuing it like a top 5 RB...AT MINIMUM. This is just from my experience, but I'd venture to guess it's like this in most dynasty leagues.

Bush is 19? Bush will be 21 for the start of next year and LJ will be 26. BTW I also have LJ in a dynasty and there is no way I take the 1.1 for him.

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

Well i own the 1.01 rookie pick in my dynasty league as well and i want to see what its worth....or is it better off for me to let him develop on my roster.......My roster pretty much sucked this year, alot of younger guys that did very little and most of them faith is not known right now....

Here is my roster:

Grossman, Rex CHI

Schaub, Matt ATL

Vick, Michael ATL

Betts, Ladell WAS

Davenport, Najeh GBP

Foster, De'shaun CAR

Henry, Travis TEN

Peterson, Adrian CHI

Rhodes, Dominic IND

Shelton, Eric CAR

Bradley, Mark CHI

Bryant, Antonio CLE

Crayton, Patrick DAL

Edwards, Braylon CLE

Henry, Chris CIN

Jones, Brandon TEN

Rogers, Charles DET

Williams, Mike DET

Miller, Heath PIT

Stevens, Jerramy SEA

Bears, Chicago CHI Def

I dont have a SOLID rb as of now, Foster may sign somewhere but my gut is telling me he will hold the same reserve role elsewhere as he did this year...Najeh also will catch on as a backup IMO...especially after the injury. T.Henry may luck into a starter role in tennesee but he did nothing special to deserve anything....only thing working for him is that C.Brown is now injured again and is a free agent. So my RB position sucks right now and i had planned on using the draft to make it all better..... I like my YOUNG wr's but they need alot of experience to be some real diffrence makers...and they need to stay healthy, most of all of them injured or was. Bradley Braylon and C.Henry are my favorites.

Well back to my reason of posting this:

I OWN these dynasty rookie/fa draft picks:

1.01

1.02

1.04

1.05

1.06

1.08

1.09

At 1.01 I was looking to take Bush unless i get an offer i cant refuse....maybe someone like LJ...or something like Caddy and a pick or player...I need a STUD to build my dynasty around.....Have to really consider my team value over the next few years while making trades also...I doubt i win anything in the 2007, never know but its somestrong teams in that dynasty league.

At 1.02 (if i keep this pick) I will also be looking to add another strong future STUD rb...(Maroney-DeAngelo-LenDale) My rb's core needs help, but not sure if i should gamble on the rooks are if i was offered a player like Rudi or McGahee or Tiki...I might would part with that pick.

1.04-1.06 Still RB's RB's RB's how ever i might change my mind and grab Vince Young if he comes out and lands in Arizona or would take Leinart if he went to Arizona.....and if Leinart did I would really consider him for the 1.02 pick.

1.08-1.09 Taking the best players left....wether that be a stud TE even though i have H.Miller and Stevens....or would probaly take a qb there if i dont take one in my 1st 5 picks...

I would like to see what Reggie Bush is worth as well......

I know in my other dynasty league....Im set to offer LT for 1.01 and Fitz.....

I would take the following:1.01 Bush

1.02 Williams

1.04 White/Maroney

1.05 Leinart

1.06 Young

1.08/1.09 Best WR/RB left (Bush, Hagan, Moss, etc)

I'd love to have all of those picks!!

I likes the way you think..... With a team young as mine wouldnt you try and deal lets say the number 1 or number 2 pick for a major upgrade with a stable rb..? Or just go all young since my team probaly wont be a contender for awhile....

As far taking Leinart and Vince.....I would love to have both and would really have to give them some serious thought.....but even Vick is a top 6 Qb in my scoring format....which i know that would make Vince a helleva dynasty pick...but if Leinart goes to arizone i would rather have him over anyone and I mean anyone. Boldin and Fitz would make me a probowl qb.

And yeah i got my eye on Hagan Moss Pope Mercedes Santanioeven though i think im set with all my young wr's....there's none in that draft thats cant miss even though i like Hagan alot.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Just to give people an idea of how the 1.1 owners value the pick.

I offered Steven Jackson, Andre Johnson, 1.10, all my 2007 picks

for

1.1

Was rejected.

In another league I offered Larry Johnson for 1.1 and it was accepted. Doesn't look so good at this point, but I don't like the aging KC offense and Bush is 7 years younger.

Bottom line, owners of the 1.1 are valuing it like a top 5 RB...AT MINIMUM. This is just from my experience, but I'd venture to guess it's like this in most dynasty leagues.

Bush is 19? Bush will be 21 for the start of next year and LJ will be 26. BTW I also have LJ in a dynasty and there is no way I take the 1.1 for him.

Bush is 5 1/2 years younger, basically the point is that he likely has 5 more seasons left than LJ provided they end their careers at a similar age.I think LJ is an elite talent, but I feel Bush is also an elite talent so I see them both being tier 1 RB's, just that Reggie likely has 5 extra years to give me production.

Another factor is the aging KC offense, there is no better system for a RB than the current KC situation. That offense will be under new coaching and all their current strengths will be replaced with new faces. It is going to be a completely different KC offense in 1 or 2 years.

95% and up of dynasty owners likely value LJ more than Bush, I just don't happen to be one of them. Maybe i'm off my rocker, only time will tell. LJ is a beast and prefering Bush over him is not a knock on his talent at all.

 

[The Gator]

Just to give people an idea of how the 1.1 owners value the pick.

I offered Steven Jackson, Andre Johnson, 1.10, all my 2007 picks

for

1.1

Was rejected.

In another league I offered Larry Johnson for 1.1 and it was accepted. Doesn't look so good at this point, but I don't like the aging KC offense and Bush is 7 years younger.

Bottom line, owners of the 1.1 are valuing it like a top 5 RB...AT MINIMUM. This is just from my experience, but I'd venture to guess it's like this in most dynasty leagues.

Bush is 19? Bush will be 21 for the start of next year and LJ will be 26. BTW I also have LJ in a dynasty and there is no way I take the 1.1 for him.

Bush is 5 1/2 years younger, basically the point is that he likely has 5 more seasons left than LJ provided they end their careers at a similar age.I think LJ is an elite talent, but I feel Bush is also an elite talent so I see them both being tier 1 RB's, just that Reggie likely has 5 extra years to give me production.

Another factor is the aging KC offense, there is no better system for a RB than the current KC situation. That offense will be under new coaching and all their current strengths will be replaced with new faces. It is going to be a completely different KC offense in 1 or 2 years.

95% and up of dynasty owners likely value LJ more than Bush, I just don't happen to be one of them. Maybe i'm off my rocker, only time will tell. LJ is a beast and prefering Bush over him is not a knock on his talent at all.

What offense will Bush be in? The best situation for Bush is GB. Favre and Walker would keep defenses honest.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Just to give people an idea of how the 1.1 owners value the pick.

I offered Steven Jackson, Andre Johnson, 1.10, all my 2007 picks

for

1.1

Was rejected.

In another league I offered Larry Johnson for 1.1 and it was accepted. Doesn't look so good at this point, but I don't like the aging KC offense and Bush is 7 years younger.

Bottom line, owners of the 1.1 are valuing it like a top 5 RB...AT MINIMUM. This is just from my experience, but I'd venture to guess it's like this in most dynasty leagues.

Bush is 19? Bush will be 21 for the start of next year and LJ will be 26. BTW I also have LJ in a dynasty and there is no way I take the 1.1 for him.

Bush is 5 1/2 years younger, basically the point is that he likely has 5 more seasons left than LJ provided they end their careers at a similar age.I think LJ is an elite talent, but I feel Bush is also an elite talent so I see them both being tier 1 RB's, just that Reggie likely has 5 extra years to give me production.

Another factor is the aging KC offense, there is no better system for a RB than the current KC situation. That offense will be under new coaching and all their current strengths will be replaced with new faces. It is going to be a completely different KC offense in 1 or 2 years.

95% and up of dynasty owners likely value LJ more than Bush, I just don't happen to be one of them. Maybe i'm off my rocker, only time will tell. LJ is a beast and prefering Bush over him is not a knock on his talent at all.

What offense will Bush be in? The best situation for Bush is GB. Favre and Walker would keep defenses honest.

That's the whole point, the situations of both these elite talents is up in the air. The KC situation in 2007 is incredibly dicey, they are going to be a completely different team.I view Bush as a bit more talented than LJ, plus he's likely got 5 extra seasons to give me production. The long term situations of both of these guys is unknown, but what I do know is that LJ is in a declining situation. Bush's long term situation might end up as bad as LJ's, but I can't forsee it being any worse.

Look at all the center pieces of the KC offense, they are very old and replacing multiple All-Pro talents on the offensive line is almost impossible to do. Throw in a whole new coaching regime and the situation in KC is a nightmare.

 

[The Gator]

Just to give people an idea of how the 1.1 owners value the pick.

I offered Steven Jackson, Andre Johnson, 1.10, all my 2007 picks

for

1.1

Was rejected.

In another league I offered Larry Johnson for 1.1 and it was accepted. Doesn't look so good at this point, but I don't like the aging KC offense and Bush is 7 years younger.

Bottom line, owners of the 1.1 are valuing it like a top 5 RB...AT MINIMUM. This is just from my experience, but I'd venture to guess it's like this in most dynasty leagues.

Bush is 19? Bush will be 21 for the start of next year and LJ will be 26. BTW I also have LJ in a dynasty and there is no way I take the 1.1 for him.

Bush is 5 1/2 years younger, basically the point is that he likely has 5 more seasons left than LJ provided they end their careers at a similar age.I think LJ is an elite talent, but I feel Bush is also an elite talent so I see them both being tier 1 RB's, just that Reggie likely has 5 extra years to give me production.

Another factor is the aging KC offense, there is no better system for a RB than the current KC situation. That offense will be under new coaching and all their current strengths will be replaced with new faces. It is going to be a completely different KC offense in 1 or 2 years.

95% and up of dynasty owners likely value LJ more than Bush, I just don't happen to be one of them. Maybe i'm off my rocker, only time will tell. LJ is a beast and prefering Bush over him is not a knock on his talent at all.

What offense will Bush be in? The best situation for Bush is GB. Favre and Walker would keep defenses honest.

That's the whole point, the situations of both these elite talents is up in the air. The KC situation in 2007 is incredibly dicey, they are going to be a completely different team.I view Bush as a bit more talented than LJ, plus he's likely got 5 extra seasons to give me production. The long term situations of both of these guys is unknown, but what I do know is that LJ is in a declining situation. Bush's long term situation might end up as bad as LJ's, but I can't forsee it being any worse.

Look at all the center pieces of the KC offense, they are very old and replacing multiple All-Pro talents on the offensive line is almost impossible to do. Throw in a whole new coaching regime and the situation in KC is a nightmare.

Is KC not able to go get FA? Thats how they got Roaf anyway. Everyone assumes that Roaf and Sheilds will retire and they arent going to replace them with anyone. I realize these are allpro guys, but if they get a few above average linemen I dont think LJ will drop off at all. Dont forget, LJ gets alot of his yards up the gut with his power. Casey Wiegman and Barry Waters are there for a while so I wouldnt overreact to losing Roaf and Sheilds if even both at all.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Just to give people an idea of how the 1.1 owners value the pick.

I offered Steven Jackson, Andre Johnson, 1.10, all my 2007 picks

for

1.1

Was rejected.

In another league I offered Larry Johnson for 1.1 and it was accepted. Doesn't look so good at this point, but I don't like the aging KC offense and Bush is 7 years younger.

Bottom line, owners of the 1.1 are valuing it like a top 5 RB...AT MINIMUM. This is just from my experience, but I'd venture to guess it's like this in most dynasty leagues.

Bush is 19? Bush will be 21 for the start of next year and LJ will be 26. BTW I also have LJ in a dynasty and there is no way I take the 1.1 for him.

Bush is 5 1/2 years younger, basically the point is that he likely has 5 more seasons left than LJ provided they end their careers at a similar age.I think LJ is an elite talent, but I feel Bush is also an elite talent so I see them both being tier 1 RB's, just that Reggie likely has 5 extra years to give me production.

Another factor is the aging KC offense, there is no better system for a RB than the current KC situation. That offense will be under new coaching and all their current strengths will be replaced with new faces. It is going to be a completely different KC offense in 1 or 2 years.

95% and up of dynasty owners likely value LJ more than Bush, I just don't happen to be one of them. Maybe i'm off my rocker, only time will tell. LJ is a beast and prefering Bush over him is not a knock on his talent at all.

What offense will Bush be in? The best situation for Bush is GB. Favre and Walker would keep defenses honest.

That's the whole point, the situations of both these elite talents is up in the air. The KC situation in 2007 is incredibly dicey, they are going to be a completely different team.I view Bush as a bit more talented than LJ, plus he's likely got 5 extra seasons to give me production. The long term situations of both of these guys is unknown, but what I do know is that LJ is in a declining situation. Bush's long term situation might end up as bad as LJ's, but I can't forsee it being any worse.

Look at all the center pieces of the KC offense, they are very old and replacing multiple All-Pro talents on the offensive line is almost impossible to do. Throw in a whole new coaching regime and the situation in KC is a nightmare.

Is KC not able to go get FA? Thats how they got Roaf anyway. Everyone assumes that Roaf and Sheilds will retire and they arent going to replace them with anyone. I realize these are allpro guys, but if they get a few above average linemen I dont think LJ will drop off at all. Dont forget, LJ gets alot of his yards up the gut with his power. Casey Wiegman and Barry Waters are there for a while so I wouldnt overreact to losing Roaf and Sheilds if even both at all.

Just as the team Reggie Bush goes to might end up being able to sign 2 All-Pro offensive lineman. Both of their future situations are totally up in the air, no one knows how the front office is going to rebuild KC, just like at this point we don't even know where Bush is going.Due to both future situations being cloudy i side with the guy who I think is more talented and who is 5 years younger.

Not a knock on LJ at all, he is an amazing player and I think he'll have a great career, saying Bush is a better talent isn't an insult to him whatsoever.

 

[The Gator]

Just to give people an idea of how the 1.1 owners value the pick.

I offered Steven Jackson, Andre Johnson, 1.10, all my 2007 picks

for

1.1

Was rejected.

In another league I offered Larry Johnson for 1.1 and it was accepted. Doesn't look so good at this point, but I don't like the aging KC offense and Bush is 7 years younger.

Bottom line, owners of the 1.1 are valuing it like a top 5 RB...AT MINIMUM. This is just from my experience, but I'd venture to guess it's like this in most dynasty leagues.

Bush is 19? Bush will be 21 for the start of next year and LJ will be 26. BTW I also have LJ in a dynasty and there is no way I take the 1.1 for him.

Bush is 5 1/2 years younger, basically the point is that he likely has 5 more seasons left than LJ provided they end their careers at a similar age.I think LJ is an elite talent, but I feel Bush is also an elite talent so I see them both being tier 1 RB's, just that Reggie likely has 5 extra years to give me production.

Another factor is the aging KC offense, there is no better system for a RB than the current KC situation. That offense will be under new coaching and all their current strengths will be replaced with new faces. It is going to be a completely different KC offense in 1 or 2 years.

95% and up of dynasty owners likely value LJ more than Bush, I just don't happen to be one of them. Maybe i'm off my rocker, only time will tell. LJ is a beast and prefering Bush over him is not a knock on his talent at all.

What offense will Bush be in? The best situation for Bush is GB. Favre and Walker would keep defenses honest.

That's the whole point, the situations of both these elite talents is up in the air. The KC situation in 2007 is incredibly dicey, they are going to be a completely different team.I view Bush as a bit more talented than LJ, plus he's likely got 5 extra seasons to give me production. The long term situations of both of these guys is unknown, but what I do know is that LJ is in a declining situation. Bush's long term situation might end up as bad as LJ's, but I can't forsee it being any worse.

Look at all the center pieces of the KC offense, they are very old and replacing multiple All-Pro talents on the offensive line is almost impossible to do. Throw in a whole new coaching regime and the situation in KC is a nightmare.

Is KC not able to go get FA? Thats how they got Roaf anyway. Everyone assumes that Roaf and Sheilds will retire and they arent going to replace them with anyone. I realize these are allpro guys, but if they get a few above average linemen I dont think LJ will drop off at all. Dont forget, LJ gets alot of his yards up the gut with his power. Casey Wiegman and Barry Waters are there for a while so I wouldnt overreact to losing Roaf and Sheilds if even both at all.

Just as the team Reggie Bush goes to might end up being able to sign 2 All-Pro offensive lineman. Both of their future situations are totally up in the air, no one knows how the front office is going to rebuild KC, just like at this point we don't even know where Bush is going.Due to both future situations being cloudy i side with the guy who I think is more talented and who is 5 years younger.

Not a knock on LJ at all, he is an amazing player and I think he'll have a great career, saying Bush is a better talent isn't an insult to him whatsoever.

I understand your not knocking LJ but lets say their two futures are both clowdy. I would give up the 5 years in age to know exactly what I have in LJ, but its just my opinion. Thanks for the good clean debate

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Just to give people an idea of how the 1.1 owners value the pick.

I offered Steven Jackson, Andre Johnson, 1.10, all my 2007 picks

for

1.1

Was rejected.

In another league I offered Larry Johnson for 1.1 and it was accepted. Doesn't look so good at this point, but I don't like the aging KC offense and Bush is 7 years younger.

Bottom line, owners of the 1.1 are valuing it like a top 5 RB...AT MINIMUM. This is just from my experience, but I'd venture to guess it's like this in most dynasty leagues.

Bush is 19? Bush will be 21 for the start of next year and LJ will be 26. BTW I also have LJ in a dynasty and there is no way I take the 1.1 for him.

Bush is 5 1/2 years younger, basically the point is that he likely has 5 more seasons left than LJ provided they end their careers at a similar age.I think LJ is an elite talent, but I feel Bush is also an elite talent so I see them both being tier 1 RB's, just that Reggie likely has 5 extra years to give me production.

Another factor is the aging KC offense, there is no better system for a RB than the current KC situation. That offense will be under new coaching and all their current strengths will be replaced with new faces. It is going to be a completely different KC offense in 1 or 2 years.

95% and up of dynasty owners likely value LJ more than Bush, I just don't happen to be one of them. Maybe i'm off my rocker, only time will tell. LJ is a beast and prefering Bush over him is not a knock on his talent at all.

What offense will Bush be in? The best situation for Bush is GB. Favre and Walker would keep defenses honest.

That's the whole point, the situations of both these elite talents is up in the air. The KC situation in 2007 is incredibly dicey, they are going to be a completely different team.I view Bush as a bit more talented than LJ, plus he's likely got 5 extra seasons to give me production. The long term situations of both of these guys is unknown, but what I do know is that LJ is in a declining situation. Bush's long term situation might end up as bad as LJ's, but I can't forsee it being any worse.

Look at all the center pieces of the KC offense, they are very old and replacing multiple All-Pro talents on the offensive line is almost impossible to do. Throw in a whole new coaching regime and the situation in KC is a nightmare.

Is KC not able to go get FA? Thats how they got Roaf anyway. Everyone assumes that Roaf and Sheilds will retire and they arent going to replace them with anyone. I realize these are allpro guys, but if they get a few above average linemen I dont think LJ will drop off at all. Dont forget, LJ gets alot of his yards up the gut with his power. Casey Wiegman and Barry Waters are there for a while so I wouldnt overreact to losing Roaf and Sheilds if even both at all.

Just as the team Reggie Bush goes to might end up being able to sign 2 All-Pro offensive lineman. Both of their future situations are totally up in the air, no one knows how the front office is going to rebuild KC, just like at this point we don't even know where Bush is going.Due to both future situations being cloudy i side with the guy who I think is more talented and who is 5 years younger.

Not a knock on LJ at all, he is an amazing player and I think he'll have a great career, saying Bush is a better talent isn't an insult to him whatsoever.

I understand your not knocking LJ but lets say their two futures are both clowdy. I would give up the 5 years in age to know exactly what I have in LJ, but its just my opinion. Thanks for the good clean debate

LJ definitely is the safer route to take, and quite possibly the smart one. He is almost guaranteed to be a tier 1 RB over the next few years barring major injury. There are still many questions yet to be answered about Bush and his future in the NFL.Gambling on Bush over LJ is a definite risk, but most likely a risk that the person going for Bush either takes now or never.

Good luck.

 

[Kleck.]

Discussion the Kansas City Oline focusing on their age and salary cap numbers could be a thread by itself. For those of you worried about the Chiefs Oline because of age and salary cap numbers, here are the numbers I found for 2006.Kansas City has 43 players currently under contract for 2006. The cap share of those 43 players is $110.748 million. The projected Salary Cap for 2006 will be in the $92-95 million range (approx $17.25 mil over)Base salaries for the Chiefs Olineman in 2006 (age in 2006) [remaining years of current contract]:Shields, Will (35) - $5.1 million [2006 is last year]Roaf, William (36) - $3.5 million [4 years]Wiegmann, Casey (33) - $1.6 million [2 years] Bober, Chris (30) - $1.5 million [3 years]Welbourn, John (30) - $1.4 million [3 years]Waters, Brian (29) - $545k [6 years]That $13.645 million in base salaries does not include any signing bonuses that will affect the 2006 cap. Besides Shields and Roaf (stays at $3.5 mil), all of their base salaries have nice increases throughout the remaining years of each of their contracts. I'd really like to know the total cap hit figures for each.If these numbers are correct, and since Kansas City is already $15+ million over the 2006 cap, we could see some changes on the oline that might not be just because of age. It could end up like another Green Bay situation.

 

[The Gator]

Just to give people an idea of how the 1.1 owners value the pick.

I offered Steven Jackson, Andre Johnson, 1.10, all my 2007 picks

for

1.1

Was rejected.

In another league I offered Larry Johnson for 1.1 and it was accepted.  Doesn't look so good at this point, but I don't like the aging KC offense and Bush is 7 years younger.

Bottom line, owners of the 1.1 are valuing it like a top 5 RB...AT MINIMUM.  This is just from my experience, but I'd venture to guess it's like this in most dynasty leagues.

Bush is 19? Bush will be 21 for the start of next year and LJ will be 26. BTW I also have LJ in a dynasty and there is no way I take the 1.1 for him.

FWIW, I just offered Westbrook(.5 PPR), Moats, Barber III(he has Jones), R.Moss, and rookie pick 1.2 for LJ and was turned down.

 

[stevec]

Here is my roster:

Well back to my reason of posting this:

I OWN these dynasty rookie/fa draft picks:

1.01

1.02

1.04

1.05

1.06

1.08

1.09

At 1.01 I was looking to take Bush unless i get an offer i cant refuse....maybe someone like LJ...or something like Caddy and a pick or player...I need a STUD to build my dynasty around.....Have to really consider my team value over the next few years while making trades also...I doubt i win anything in the 2007, never know but its somestrong teams in that dynasty league.

At 1.02 (if i keep this pick) I will also be looking to add another strong future STUD rb...(Maroney-DeAngelo-LenDale) My rb's core needs help, but not sure if i should gamble on the rooks are if i was offered a player like Rudi or McGahee or Tiki...I might would part with that pick.

1.04-1.06 Still RB's RB's RB's how ever i might change my mind and grab Vince Young if he comes out and lands in Arizona or would take Leinart if he went to Arizona.....and if Leinart did I would really consider him for the 1.02 pick.

1.08-1.09 Taking the best players left....wether that be a stud TE even though i have H.Miller and Stevens....or would probaly take a qb there if i dont take one in my 1st 5 picks...

I would like to see what Reggie Bush is worth as well......

I know in my other dynasty league....Im set to offer LT for 1.01 and Fitz.....

Having held the 1.01 in 2 years in a league where I inherited a team whose RB's & WR's went south immediately after I got the team - I'd trade the 1.01 + some of your excess youth for a big time proven RB & WR/Gates. I'm still not over the hump, having drafted KJones,who will not as hyped as Bush, hasn't done enough. I think you will have so many guys to pick from that will be young you may have trouble competing short-term, and a solid #1 RB & WR fix that problem, allowing you to accelerate the rebuilding timeline to NOW. If you can pull that off, you'll be above average at RB1, and one of TE/WR.

You'll get enough young depth that moving Bush for older players won't hurt much.