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I hope those type of players have already learned their lesson and improve. Quantity most of the time isn't greater than quality. I said most of the time. Sure, a lot of the posts in this thread are from those that try this philosophy but soon learn experienced owners scoff at it. They either learn and get better, or they bail on the leagues where they are in over their head.
Maybe I’m missing something but this doesn’t seem horrible to me.
If you agree it isn't horrible, why did you post it here?
Because I wasn't sure if my original offer was so bad that maybe I deserved the absurd counter the other owner sent. I know my post was a little sneaky (my apologies), but I wanted to get an unbiased opinion on my original offer.
Why would the builder trade his 1st rd pick?
Those offers from the first place team
I would have Guido pay him a visit with a horse's head or dead fish wrapped in newspaper.Those offers from the first place team
Ah, the old “make me an offer “ approach.This isn’t even a trade. It’s a pox upon dynasty leagues. The vague trader.
Posts to the league GroupMe “I’m bored, let’s make a trade.”
Ok, I’m game. Message him, “is so & so available? If so, what position are you looking to address?”
He asks me who I’m interested in moving.
Wut
I throw out a name.
“Not interested in him”
Ok buddy, work with me here. I can’t do literally all the work. I’m not naming 56 other names until you perk up.
I just said, “ok well maybe take a look at my roster and throw out some offers. Worst I can do is reject.”
He says “ok thx”. That was an hour ago. No offers.
I-
Ps - worth noting, I won the league last year, so my team has some solid assets.
"Please compile a list of all possible trades (approximately 2^60) that could possibly occur between our two teams. Then circle all trades you would be willing to do. Submit by Tuesday. Thank you."This isn’t even a trade. It’s a pox upon dynasty leagues. The vague trader.
Posts to the league GroupMe “I’m bored, let’s make a trade.”
Ok, I’m game. Message him, “is so & so available? If so, what position are you looking to address?”
He asks me who I’m interested in moving.
Wut
I throw out a name.
“Not interested in him”
Ok buddy, work with me here. I can’t do literally all the work. I’m not naming 56 other names until you perk up.
I just said, “ok well maybe take a look at my roster and throw out some offers. Worst I can do is reject.”
He says “ok thx”. That was an hour ago. No offers.
I-
Ps - worth noting, I won the league last year, so my team has some solid assets.
Whenever i try to compile two picks that low, people will only give maybe 3 or 4 picks higher, lol.
I suppose I am in some ways, just not in this case.
Makes you wonder if these people are stupid, or arrogant, or both.
This is par for the course with this guy which is why I labeled him as such. I don't typically avoid trading with people, but for him I don't even try. Nothing he says makes sense when I do send back messages of some values I have for players he is interested in.
Lowball offers with the expectation of a counter. I see that as "I want the player but want you to make the real offer."
With normal other league members I will counter with what I view as a good counter. With this guy he will argue and send other terrible offers. He wants good players without giving anything up.
Certainly not a good way to approach trading. In fact, it is ineffective..
That’s a serious contender.
Spam him back equally terrible trade offers (slanted your way of course) every day for the next 3-4 weeks.
I agree it wasn't a bad offer, but I want to make a statement on something I think works better. I like to go for my best offer out of the gate if it's something I really want.. n that scenario I don't personally see a need to leave room for negotiations. Go for it up front. I noticed other owners like that approach as well if I'm not afraid of giving a better than fair deal sometimes. That approach hasn't hurt my success rate in fantasy over the last 20+ years. If it's not something I care one way or the other, then I may agree with you about the leaving room part.OK... I admit I am new to this league .. 12 Team 1 QB 2/2/1/1 Flex Std Scoring 18 Man Roster / Short Bench
Team posted Trade Block: J Love, Javonte Williams, RWhite, Dotson, Lockett ... no preference on return goals
I sent offer: A Cooper & SDiggs for JWilliams & Dotson ... I felt reasonable but room for negotiations
He apparently did not like it ... so he countered ...
His Javonte Williams + 2025 5th for my Marvin Harrison Jr + 2nd
Talk about making an ugly statement.
I agree that is a sound practice with experienced leagues .. but I am new to this league and don't have any history or reference for the other owners.I agree it wasn't a bad offer, but I want to make a statement on something I think works better. I like to go for my best offer out of the gate if it's something I really want.. n that scenario I don't personally see a need to leave room for negotiations. Go for it up front. I noticed other owners like that approach as well if I'm not afraid of giving a better than fair deal sometimes. That approach hasn't hurt my success rate in fantasy over the last 20+ years. If it's not something I care one way or the other, then I may agree with you about the leaving room part.OK... I admit I am new to this league .. 12 Team 1 QB 2/2/1/1 Flex Std Scoring 18 Man Roster / Short Bench
Team posted Trade Block: J Love, Javonte Williams, RWhite, Dotson, Lockett ... no preference on return goals
I sent offer: A Cooper & SDiggs for JWilliams & Dotson ... I felt reasonable but room for negotiations
He apparently did not like it ... so he countered ...
His Javonte Williams + 2025 5th for my Marvin Harrison Jr + 2nd
Talk about making an ugly statement.
You might not think that when Williams runs for 1500 yards and 15 TDs and Harrison has 600 yards and 5 TDsI agree that is a sound practice with experienced leagues .. but I am new to this league and don't have any history or reference for the other owners. 500I agree it wasn't a bad offer, but I want to make a statement on something I think works better. I like to go for my best offer out of the gate if it's something I really want.. n that scenario I don't personally see a need to leave room for negotiations. Go for it up front. I noticed other owners like that approach as well if I'm not afraid of giving a better than fair deal sometimes. That approach hasn't hurt my success rate in fantasy over the last 20+ years. If it's not something I care one way or the other, then I may agree with you about the leaving room part.OK... I admit I am new to this league .. 12 Team 1 QB 2/2/1/1 Flex Std Scoring 18 Man Roster / Short Bench
Team posted Trade Block: J Love, Javonte Williams, RWhite, Dotson, Lockett ... no preference on return goals
I sent offer: A Cooper & SDiggs for JWilliams & Dotson ... I felt reasonable but room for negotiations
He apparently did not like it ... so he countered ...
His Javonte Williams + 2025 5th for my Marvin Harrison Jr + 2nd
Talk about making an ugly statement.
His "Trade Bait" left no preferences and I asked in my comments offering Shaheed or Diggs as an option pending his preference ...
Sometimes it is just better to ignore things then burn the bridge ....
I can understand he might value Javonte more than me, fine, share the info / reasonable counter offer, don't be ridiculous in a counter only causing rift
He probably did you a favor here. I like the idea of moving the 2 olds, but don’t love your ask.
Pitts is what makes this a bad offer. Take him out of the deal and I think it is fair. Irv Smith doesn't count.
This was my exact thinking. I had to re-read and when I go to Pitts I said okay that is the issue here.
Yikes.
for me but I somehow didn’t notice that an owner dropped Jonathan Brooks last week in all of the FAAB moves. (And he didn’t show up in FBG’s weekly waiver adds report for this week because….? Not sure).
Follow up. 12 team 1 QB. PPR.
