What is the worst dynasty trade you have been offered? (3 Viewers)

[steelers1080]

Frank Gore

for

Paul Richardson

1st round pick 2015

In what way is that a bad trade? If someone is playing for just this year they could use Gore, perhaps badly. And a rebuilding team get's a possible up and coming WR and a 1st. The WR is on a run heavy team so he might not get the targets to produce regularly.

 

[Rockchild]

Frank Gore

for

Paul Richardson

1st round pick 2015

In what way is that a bad trade? If someone is playing for just this year they could use Gore, perhaps badly. And a rebuilding team get's a possible up and coming WR and a 1st. The WR is on a run heavy team so he might not get the targets to produce regularly.

Not the worst trade but plenty bad.I don't know how Gore is worth anywhere near a 1st. Maybe for a team that had ADP, Spiller, Rice and Knowshon as his RB's I could see Gore for Richardson straight up but adding a 1st too?

 

[Don Quixote]

Frank Gore

for

Paul Richardson

1st round pick 2015

In what way is that a bad trade? If someone is playing for just this year they could use Gore, perhaps badly. And a rebuilding team get's a possible up and coming WR and a 1st. The WR is on a run heavy team so he might not get the targets to produce regularly.

Not the worst trade but plenty bad.I don't know how Gore is worth anywhere near a 1st. Maybe for a team that had ADP, Spiller, Rice and Knowshon as his RB's I could see Gore for Richardson straight up but adding a 1st too?

Yeah, I've been trying to move Gore in a rebuilding dynasty, but I'm getting nothing. I'd take a 3rd, but nobody is willing to do that (or even countering).

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Frank Gore

for

Paul Richardson

1st round pick 2015

In what way is that a bad trade? If someone is playing for just this year they could use Gore, perhaps badly. And a rebuilding team get's a possible up and coming WR and a 1st. The WR is on a run heavy team so he might not get the targets to produce regularly.

I think it's bad in the way, that no one is going to pay a first round pick for Gore. He's 31, and isn't even doing much this year.

 

[Hankmoody]

These threads are terrible. 1/2 of these you can't even tell which side is supposed to be "worst" and another 47% could easily look just fine with just a small bit of context.

 

[jeaton6]

Frank Gore

for

Paul Richardson

1st round pick 2015

In what way is that a bad trade? If someone is playing for just this year they could use Gore, perhaps badly. And a rebuilding team get's a possible up and coming WR and a 1st. The WR is on a run heavy team so he might not get the targets to produce regularly.

I think it's bad in the way, that no one is going to pay a first round pick for Gore. He's 31, and isn't even doing much this year.

It's a horrific offer. No one is paying a 3 (let alone a 1) for him. Very few would pay paul Richardson for him. Anyone trying to compete this year could get much more for a 1st rounder (ie an Alf Morris type) and would not view Gore as someone that's going to put them over the top.

 

[Frostillicus]

Philip Rivers and Kelvin Benjamin for Andrew Luck and Demaryius Thomas last week was pretty bad.

 

[coolnerd]

Juszczyk, Kyle BAL RB
Brown, Philly CAR WR
Colston, Marques NOS WR
Jennings, Greg MIN WR

for

Dunbar, Lance DAL RB
Green, A.J. CIN WR
Johnson, Calvin DET WR
Woods, Robert BUF WR

 

[jeaton6]

Juszczyk, Kyle BAL RB

Brown, Philly CAR WR

Colston, Marques NOS WR

Jennings, Greg MIN WR

for

Dunbar, Lance DAL RB

Green, A.J. CIN WR

Johnson, Calvin DET WR

Woods, Robert BUF WR

Oy vey

 

[Sitch]

Juszczyk, Kyle BAL RB

Brown, Philly CAR WR

Colston, Marques NOS WR

Jennings, Greg MIN WR

for

Dunbar, Lance DAL RB

Green, A.J. CIN WR

Johnson, Calvin DET WR

Woods, Robert BUF WR

That can't be real, can it? I thought the one I got yesterday was bad:

Give: Calvin, M.Bryant

Get: Bradshaw, Boldin

But this one takes the cake by far...

 

[ebsteelers]

^ that above trade has to be made up..

green and johnson and dunbar and woods for umm well not much

 

[mzkp54]

Got offered Mark Ingram for Kendall Wright and Drew Brees in a league yesterday. RB's get 0.5 PPr to WR's full point to make it even better

 

[DexterDew]

was just offered Wright/Reed for Dez

 

[jonboltz]

was just offered Wright/Reed for Dez

wrong thread.

 

[jeaton6]

was just offered Wright/Reed for Dez

wrong thread.

Wrong

 

[PatsWillWin]

Juszczyk, Kyle BAL RB

Brown, Philly CAR WR

Colston, Marques NOS WR

Jennings, Greg MIN WR

for

Dunbar, Lance DAL RB

Green, A.J. CIN WR

Johnson, Calvin DET WR

Woods, Robert BUF WR

Well we can probably shut the thread down now.

How did you respond?

 

[shady inc]

tyler eifert

taylor gabriel

2015 2nd rounder

for

gronk

 

[mzkp54]

Was offered Martavis Bryant and a projected late '15 1st for Calvin

 

[incogneato]

Was offered Martavis Bryant and a projected late '15 1st for Calvin

and this is your worst ever???

 

[Jack White]

Back in 1984, someone offered me Linda Evans and a first for Heather Locklear.

 

[msudaisy26]

Here are a couple I seen right before the trade deadline.

Team A offers Calvin Johnson and CJ Anderson

for

Team B Odell Beckham, Josh Gordon, Gio Bernard and a 2015

Team A offers Calvin Johnson, CJ Anderson, and Andre Johnson

for

Team C Jamal Charles, Antonio Brown, and a 2015 first

The second trade isn't quite as bad, but to put it in context. Team A is out of the playoffs and rebuilding. Team A puts these players on the block, and makes a post about them being available. So when teams inquired he sent out these offers. Now the trade deadline is over and he is stuck with these players at declining value, no one will pay as much for these guys in the off season when they needed them for the stretch run.

 

[renesauz]

Frank Gore

for

Paul Richardson

1st round pick 2015

In what way is that a bad trade? If someone is playing for just this year they could use Gore, perhaps badly. And a rebuilding team get's a possible up and coming WR and a 1st. The WR is on a run heavy team so he might not get the targets to produce regularly.

I think it's bad in the way, that no one is going to pay a first round pick for Gore. He's 31, and isn't even doing much this year.

It's a horrific offer. No one is paying a 3 (let alone a 1) for him. Very few would pay paul Richardson for him. Anyone trying to compete this year could get much more for a 1st rounder (ie an Alf Morris type) and would not view Gore as someone that's going to put them over the top.

Paid a 2nd for Gore last week in a Devy league (needed insurance), and felt like it was pricey

 

[DexterDew]

Love my Dez offers. Hyper Active 12 Team ppr

Give: Dez

Get: Freeman and D Carter

 

[Mister CIA]

This offer was made in early November, but hands down the worst offer I have received:

PPR

I give: Odell Beckham and 2015 1.02

I get: Corderelle Ginn and 2015 2.08

 

[slackjawedyokel]

This offer was made in early November, but hands down the worst offer I have received:

PPR

I give: Odell Beckham and 2015 1.02

I get: Corderelle Ginn and 2015 2.08

As in Ted Ginn Jr and Cordarrelle Patterson? lol

 

[FreeBaGeL]

This offer was made in early November, but hands down the worst offer I have received:

PPR

I give: Odell Beckham and 2015 1.02

I get: Corderelle Ginn and 2015 2.08

That guy had to be joking. Otherwise I think we have the thread winner right here.

 

[SeanTaylor21]

Love my Dez offers. Hyper Active 12 Team ppr

Give: Dez

Get: Freeman and D Carter

This makes me laugh. As a Duron Carter owner, I know he's either going to be dropped or traded as soon as he has a good game and I get interest.

 

[Buckna]

This offer was made in early November, but hands down the worst offer I have received:

PPR

I give: Odell Beckham and 2015 1.02

I get: Corderelle Ginn and 2015 2.08

That guy had to be joking. Otherwise I think we have the thread winner right here.

When in November? "The Catch" was Nov 23rd. OBJ had only played in three games by Nov 1st with a whopping 44 yards receiving in his best game. Those picks were just future picks and would have been weeks away from the draft order being set, not the 1.02 or 2.08. No one would have batted an eye at that offer at the beginning of last season when the hype was huge on Corderrell. Pointless to post this with the hindsight bias now built in over three months later IMO.

 

[Skeletore Eh]

These threads are terrible. 1/2 of these you can't even tell which side is supposed to be "worst" and another 47% could easily look just fine with just a small bit of context.

But the other 3% are really bad

 

[Alex P Keaton]

This offer was made in early November, but hands down the worst offer I have received: PPR I give: Odell Beckham and 2015 1.02I get: Corderelle Ginn and 2015 2.08

That guy had to be joking. Otherwise I think we have the thread winner right here.

When in November? "The Catch" was Nov 23rd. OBJ had only played in three games by Nov 1st with a whopping 44 yards receiving in his best game. Those picks were just future picks and would have been weeks away from the draft order being set, not the 1.02 or 2.08. No one would have batted an eye at that offer at the beginning of last season when the hype was huge on Corderrell. Pointless to post this with the hindsight bias now built in over three months later IMO.

It doesn't matter when in November. By that far into the season, it would have been a terrible, brutal, piss poor offer.

 

[jeaton6]

12 team PPR

Christine Michael, John Brown, Terrance Williams

For

Lacy and Calvin Johnson

 

[Sitch]

12 team PPR, 1.5 for TEs - these were all from the same owner, even after I told him I have no interest in Ebron:

I give: 1.03 and 1.09

I get: Ebron

I give: Julio

I get: Ebron, 1.13 (compensatory pick)

I give: 1.06

I get: Ebron

 

[Jeremy]

12 team PPR, 1.5 for TEs - these were all from the same owner, even after I told him I have no interest in Ebron:

I give: 1.03 and 1.09

I get: Ebron

I give: Julio

I get: Ebron, 1.13 (compensatory pick)

I give: 1.06

I get: Ebron

At least he came way down on his price from his 1st offer, although that's basically an admission he was trying to rip you off the first time.

 

[Sitch]

12 team PPR, 1.5 for TEs - these were all from the same owner, even after I told him I have no interest in Ebron:

I give: 1.03 and 1.09

I get: Ebron

I give: Julio

I get: Ebron, 1.13 (compensatory pick)

I give: 1.06

I get: Ebron

At least he came way down on his price from his 1st offer, although that's basically an admission he was trying to rip you off the first time.

Maybe so, but still an overpay. I wouldn't trade any 1st rounder for Ebron, even in a TE premium league.

 

[Louche]

12 team PPR, 1.5 for TEs - these were all from the same owner, even after I told him I have no interest in Ebron:

I give: 1.03 and 1.09

I get: Ebron

I give: Julio

I get: Ebron, 1.13 (compensatory pick)

I give: 1.06

I get: Ebron

At least he came way down on his price from his 1st offer, although that's basically an admission he was trying to rip you off the first time.

Maybe so, but still an overpay. I wouldn't trade any 1st rounder for Ebron, even in a TE premium league.

In the latest DLF mock Ebron is priced at 1.12. So 1.06 for Ebron in TE premium doesn't seem that bad. First two offers are very optimistic though.

 

[Sitch]

12 team PPR, 1.5 for TEs - these were all from the same owner, even after I told him I have no interest in Ebron:

I give: 1.03 and 1.09

I get: Ebron

I give: Julio

I get: Ebron, 1.13 (compensatory pick)

I give: 1.06

I get: Ebron

At least he came way down on his price from his 1st offer, although that's basically an admission he was trying to rip you off the first time.

Maybe so, but still an overpay. I wouldn't trade any 1st rounder for Ebron, even in a TE premium league.

In the latest DLF mock Ebron is priced at 1.12. So 1.06 for Ebron in TE premium doesn't seem that bad. First two offers are very optimistic though.

Optimistic is an understatement. I prefer ridiculous. I don't believe in Ebron at all.

 

[Louche]

12 team PPR, 1.5 for TEs - these were all from the same owner, even after I told him I have no interest in Ebron:

I give: 1.03 and 1.09

I get: Ebron

I give: Julio

I get: Ebron, 1.13 (compensatory pick)

I give: 1.06

I get: Ebron

At least he came way down on his price from his 1st offer, although that's basically an admission he was trying to rip you off the first time.

Maybe so, but still an overpay. I wouldn't trade any 1st rounder for Ebron, even in a TE premium league.

In the latest DLF mock Ebron is priced at 1.12. So 1.06 for Ebron in TE premium doesn't seem that bad. First two offers are very optimistic though.

Optimistic is an understatement. I prefer ridiculous. I don't believe in Ebron at all.

Ok, but I think current market value is more relevant than your personal opinions if we are evaluating the ridiculousness of the trade offers. Ebron is ranked as a low TE1 for dynasty in most rankings I've seen lately. He's 21 years old and was picked 10th overall in last year's draft. Given what we know about the historical lack of rookie year production for tight ends I don't think we can say that the book is written on Ebron. He very well might still turn into a monster in TE premium.

So while the other guy was very optimistic on what he could get for Ebron, you seem to be very low on Ebron compared to current market value. So if your feelings got hurt it's not entirely the other guy's fault.

 

[msudaisy26]

12 team PPR, 1.5 for TEs - these were all from the same owner, even after I told him I have no interest in Ebron:

I give: 1.03 and 1.09

I get: Ebron

I give: Julio

I get: Ebron, 1.13 (compensatory pick)

I give: 1.06

I get: Ebron

At least he came way down on his price from his 1st offer, although that's basically an admission he was trying to rip you off the first time.

Maybe so, but still an overpay. I wouldn't trade any 1st rounder for Ebron, even in a TE premium league.

In the latest DLF mock Ebron is priced at 1.12. So 1.06 for Ebron in TE premium doesn't seem that bad. First two offers are very optimistic though.

Optimistic is an understatement. I prefer ridiculous. I don't believe in Ebron at all.

Ok, but I think current market value is more relevant than your personal opinions if we are evaluating the ridiculousness of the trade offers. Ebron is ranked as a low TE1 for dynasty in most rankings I've seen lately. He's 21 years old and was picked 10th overall in last year's draft. Given what we know about the historical lack of rookie year production for tight ends I don't think we can say that the book is written on Ebron. He very well might still turn into a monster in TE premium.

So while the other guy was very optimistic on what he could get for Ebron, you seem to be very low on Ebron compared to current market value. So if your feelings got hurt it's not entirely the other guy's fault.

The first 2 offers were bad, but the last offer is more than fair and doesn't belong in this forum.

 

[DropKick]

I wouldn't trade any 1st rounder for Ebron, even in a TE premium league.

If I may be blunt, this is dumb.

Not only are you blunt, you're wrong.

I wouldn't give up a 1st for Ebron either... im my leagues, with my scoring systems and the depth of TEs - I don't think he is that valuable.

 

[jeaton6]

I wouldn't trade any 1st rounder for Ebron, even in a TE premium league.

If I may be blunt, this is dumb.

Not only are you blunt, you're wrong.

I wouldn't give up a 1st for Ebron either... im my leagues, with my scoring systems and the depth of TEs - I don't think he is that valuable.

So are these TE premium leagues?

 

[-CE-]

I wouldn't trade any 1st rounder for Ebron, even in a TE premium league.

If I may be blunt, this is dumb.

I wouldn't trade any 1st rounder for Ebron, even in a TE premium league.

If I may be blunt, this is dumb.

Not only are you blunt, you're wrong.

I wouldn't give up a 1st for Ebron either... im my leagues, with my scoring systems and the depth of TEs - I don't think he is that valuable.

I can't believe people are thinking that Ebron may be worth a first round rookie pick right now. If there was a startup dynasty I'd have at least 15 other TEs I'm taking before Ebron.

I understand someone in the thread said rookie TEs take some time to develop, but Ebrons rookie season was historically bad. If you go find other first round selection rookie TEs that struggled in the last 5 years, I seriously doubt any of them played in an offense as prolific as Detroits passing game is. Highly doubt any of them played with a QB of Staffords caliber. The fact that he couldn't get on the field with Pettigrew in front of him speaks volumes. Also lets not forget Pettigrew was a first round pick of Detriots as well...

Maybe Ebron becomes fantasy relevant at some point, but I highly doubt it.

 

[Mister CIA]

This offer was made in early November, but hands down the worst offer I have received: PPR I give: Odell Beckham and 2015 1.02I get: Corderelle Ginn and 2015 2.08

That guy had to be joking. Otherwise I think we have the thread winner right here.

When in November? "The Catch" was Nov 23rd. OBJ had only played in three games by Nov 1st with a whopping 44 yards receiving in his best game. Those picks were just future picks and would have been weeks away from the draft order being set, not the 1.02 or 2.08. No one would have batted an eye at that offer at the beginning of last season when the hype was huge on Corderrell. Pointless to post this with the hindsight bias now built in over three months later IMO.

Well before the catch it was very obvious that Beckham a far superior player, at least it was in my opinion.

 

[Buckna]

This offer was made in early November, but hands down the worst offer I have received: PPR I give: Odell Beckham and 2015 1.02I get: Corderelle Ginn and 2015 2.08

That guy had to be joking. Otherwise I think we have the thread winner right here.

When in November? "The Catch" was Nov 23rd. OBJ had only played in three games by Nov 1st with a whopping 44 yards receiving in his best game. Those picks were just future picks and would have been weeks away from the draft order being set, not the 1.02 or 2.08. No one would have batted an eye at that offer at the beginning of last season when the hype was huge on Corderrell. Pointless to post this with the hindsight bias now built in over three months later IMO.

Well before the catch it was very obvious that Beckham a far superior player, at least it was in my opinion.

Yes, he was a far superior player injured and not playing for an entire month. Nothing more than hindsight bias posting a trade so far after the fact. Even if the offer was after he started throwing up big games in November, go back and look at the dynasty threads, people arguing he was way overvalued based on one amazing highlight catch. Asking for a 1st plus a rookie WR for a 2nd YR WR many thought was on the path to being a superstud is not that crazy. Certainly doesn't belong in this thread, bunch of drama queens...

 

[msudaisy26]

I wouldn't trade any 1st rounder for Ebron, even in a TE premium league.

If I may be blunt, this is dumb.

I wouldn't trade any 1st rounder for Ebron, even in a TE premium league.

If I may be blunt, this is dumb.

Not only are you blunt, you're wrong.

I wouldn't give up a 1st for Ebron either... im my leagues, with my scoring systems and the depth of TEs - I don't think he is that valuable.

I can't believe people are thinking that Ebron may be worth a first round rookie pick right now. If there was a startup dynasty I'd have at least 15 other TEs I'm taking before Ebron. I understand someone in the thread said rookie TEs take some time to develop, but Ebrons rookie season was historically bad. If you go find other first round selection rookie TEs that struggled in the last 5 years, I seriously doubt any of them played in an offense as prolific as Detroits passing game is. Highly doubt any of them played with a QB of Staffords caliber. The fact that he couldn't get on the field with Pettigrew in front of him speaks volumes. Also lets not forget Pettigrew was a first round pick of Detriots as well...

Maybe Ebron becomes fantasy relevant at some point, but I highly doubt it.

I am not sure what will happen with Ebron, but Stafford is an average quarterback and while Detriot passes for a lot of yards they but they don't get in the end zone through the air that often. Fleener - 26, 281 and 2

Witten 35, 347 and 1

Bennett 23, 283, and 4

Olsen 39 391 and 2

Eifert 39 445 2

Vernon Davis 20 265 and 3

 

[Mister CIA]

This offer was made in early November, but hands down the worst offer I have received: PPR I give: Odell Beckham and 2015 1.02I get: Corderelle Ginn and 2015 2.08

That guy had to be joking. Otherwise I think we have the thread winner right here.

When in November? "The Catch" was Nov 23rd. OBJ had only played in three games by Nov 1st with a whopping 44 yards receiving in his best game. Those picks were just future picks and would have been weeks away from the draft order being set, not the 1.02 or 2.08. No one would have batted an eye at that offer at the beginning of last season when the hype was huge on Corderrell. Pointless to post this with the hindsight bias now built in over three months later IMO.

Well before the catch it was very obvious that Beckham a far superior player, at least it was in my opinion.

Yes, he was a far superior player injured and not playing for an entire month. Nothing more than hindsight bias posting a trade so far after the fact. Even if the offer was after he started throwing up big games in November, go back and look at the dynasty threads, people arguing he was way overvalued based on one amazing highlight catch. Asking for a 1st plus a rookie WR for a 2nd YR WR many thought was on the path to being a superstud is not that crazy. Certainly doesn't belong in this thread, bunch of drama queens...

You should repeat your opinion again for those that did read it the first two times.

 

[Sitch]

I wouldn't trade any 1st rounder for Ebron, even in a TE premium league.

If I may be blunt, this is dumb.

Not only are you blunt, you're wrong.

I wouldn't give up a 1st for Ebron either... im my leagues, with my scoring systems and the depth of TEs - I don't think he is that valuable.

Non-TE Premium Scoring

Ebron's Value using DLF ADP - 91 overall Dynasty ADP

Where draft picks fit into ADP - Draft pick ADP

TE premium scoring jacks his value up even further.

We all value everyone differently. I wouldn't have to give it more than 2 seconds to turn down trading 1.06 for Ebron. I also have 1.09 in that league; wouldn't trade that either for him. Just because others value him in that range doesn't mean I have to. And maybe that offer didn't belong in this thread, I was just using it to point out the ridiculousness of the other offers and how he came down so much in his valuation.

 

[-CE-]

I can't believe people are thinking that Ebron may be worth a first round rookie pick right now. If there was a startup dynasty I'd have at least 15 other TEs I'm taking before Ebron.I understand someone in the thread said rookie TEs take some time to develop, but Ebrons rookie season was historically bad. If you go find other first round selection rookie TEs that struggled in the last 5 years, I seriously doubt any of them played in an offense as prolific as Detroits passing game is. Highly doubt any of them played with a QB of Staffords caliber. The fact that he couldn't get on the field with Pettigrew in front of him speaks volumes. Also lets not forget Pettigrew was a first round pick of Detriots as well...

Maybe Ebron becomes fantasy relevant at some point, but I highly doubt it.

I am not sure what will happen with Ebron, but Stafford is an average quarterback and while Detriot passes for a lot of yards they but they don't get in the end zone through the air that often.Fleener - 26, 281 and 2

Witten 35, 347 and 1

Bennett 23, 283, and 4

Olsen 39 391 and 2

Eifert 39 445 2

Vernon Davis 20 265 and 3

Good points. I suppose Stafford has regressed over the past four seasons enough to where he is considered an average QB.

With that said - Fleener only played 12 games his rookie season (Ebron played 13 - not much difference I suppose), he was also teamed up with a rookie QB (although one he played with at college) but more importantly he was beaten out for the job by fellow TE rookie, Allen (who posted 45, 521 and 3). Witten's play was in a different era of passing metrics, as such I'd say his rookie production was much better than Ebrons. Bennett was the #2 TE behind Witten and not drafted to be some elite pass catcher - still outperformed Ebron - again, more proof that Ebron's rookie season was a disaster. Olsen/Eifert had production that is pretty significantly better than Ebron's - Eifert played 15 games, Olsen was back in 2007 - I really don't remember Chicago in that era. Was that Alex Smith throwing the ball to Vernon Davis as a rookie? Talk about a mediocre QB.

In the end I just don't see it with Ebron. I know a bunch of people compared him to Vernon Davis coming out of college, but that appeared to be more of a function on where he was drafted... Ebron had no where close to VD's measurables at the combine.

 

[Louche]

I can't believe people are thinking that Ebron may be worth a first round rookie pick right now. If there was a startup dynasty I'd have at least 15 other TEs I'm taking before Ebron.I understand someone in the thread said rookie TEs take some time to develop, but Ebrons rookie season was historically bad. If you go find other first round selection rookie TEs that struggled in the last 5 years, I seriously doubt any of them played in an offense as prolific as Detroits passing game is. Highly doubt any of them played with a QB of Staffords caliber. The fact that he couldn't get on the field with Pettigrew in front of him speaks volumes. Also lets not forget Pettigrew was a first round pick of Detriots as well...

Maybe Ebron becomes fantasy relevant at some point, but I highly doubt it.

I am not sure what will happen with Ebron, but Stafford is an average quarterback and while Detriot passes for a lot of yards they but they don't get in the end zone through the air that often.Fleener - 26, 281 and 2

Witten 35, 347 and 1

Bennett 23, 283, and 4

Olsen 39 391 and 2

Eifert 39 445 2

Vernon Davis 20 265 and 3

Good points. I suppose Stafford has regressed over the past four seasons enough to where he is considered an average QB.

With that said - Fleener only played 12 games his rookie season (Ebron played 13 - not much difference I suppose), he was also teamed up with a rookie QB (although one he played with at college) but more importantly he was beaten out for the job by fellow TE rookie, Allen (who posted 45, 521 and 3). Witten's play was in a different era of passing metrics, as such I'd say his rookie production was much better than Ebrons. Bennett was the #2 TE behind Witten and not drafted to be some elite pass catcher - still outperformed Ebron - again, more proof that Ebron's rookie season was a disaster. Olsen/Eifert had production that is pretty significantly better than Ebron's - Eifert played 15 games, Olsen was back in 2007 - I really don't remember Chicago in that era. Was that Alex Smith throwing the ball to Vernon Davis as a rookie? Talk about a mediocre QB.

In the end I just don't see it with Ebron. I know a bunch of people compared him to Vernon Davis coming out of college, but that appeared to be more of a function on where he was drafted... Ebron had no where close to VD's measurables at the combine.

I think it's kind of pointless to sit and compare which underwhelming rookie TE season is slightly better or easier to make excuses for, the point is that there are very few TEs that put up big numbers in their rookie seasons. We know this.

The reason Ebron went so high isn't because of his fluid routes and consistent play. The reason is that he can make the most ridiculously athletic plays. His potential is immense.

However, to be a top TE he will have to develop consistency and learn the small game. But again; he is 21 years old. He has years to learn the nuances of the game.

I'd say the people that drafted Ebron and are now bailing on him for second/third round picks are the same type of owners that traded away OBJ in September because he struggled with his hamstring for so long. If you didn't believe in him as a prospect to begin with, fine. But if you invested in him a year ago and sell him with a discount now...that's bad process.

 

[-CE-]

I can't believe people are thinking that Ebron may be worth a first round rookie pick right now. If there was a startup dynasty I'd have at least 15 other TEs I'm taking before Ebron.I understand someone in the thread said rookie TEs take some time to develop, but Ebrons rookie season was historically bad. If you go find other first round selection rookie TEs that struggled in the last 5 years, I seriously doubt any of them played in an offense as prolific as Detroits passing game is. Highly doubt any of them played with a QB of Staffords caliber. The fact that he couldn't get on the field with Pettigrew in front of him speaks volumes. Also lets not forget Pettigrew was a first round pick of Detriots as well...

Maybe Ebron becomes fantasy relevant at some point, but I highly doubt it.

I am not sure what will happen with Ebron, but Stafford is an average quarterback and while Detriot passes for a lot of yards they but they don't get in the end zone through the air that often.Fleener - 26, 281 and 2

Witten 35, 347 and 1

Bennett 23, 283, and 4

Olsen 39 391 and 2

Eifert 39 445 2

Vernon Davis 20 265 and 3

Good points. I suppose Stafford has regressed over the past four seasons enough to where he is considered an average QB.

With that said - Fleener only played 12 games his rookie season (Ebron played 13 - not much difference I suppose), he was also teamed up with a rookie QB (although one he played with at college) but more importantly he was beaten out for the job by fellow TE rookie, Allen (who posted 45, 521 and 3). Witten's play was in a different era of passing metrics, as such I'd say his rookie production was much better than Ebrons. Bennett was the #2 TE behind Witten and not drafted to be some elite pass catcher - still outperformed Ebron - again, more proof that Ebron's rookie season was a disaster. Olsen/Eifert had production that is pretty significantly better than Ebron's - Eifert played 15 games, Olsen was back in 2007 - I really don't remember Chicago in that era. Was that Alex Smith throwing the ball to Vernon Davis as a rookie? Talk about a mediocre QB.

In the end I just don't see it with Ebron. I know a bunch of people compared him to Vernon Davis coming out of college, but that appeared to be more of a function on where he was drafted... Ebron had no where close to VD's measurables at the combine.

I think it's kind of pointless to sit and compare which underwhelming rookie TE season is slightly better or easier to make excuses for, the point is that there are very few TEs that put up big numbers in their rookie seasons. We know this.

The reason Ebron went so high isn't because of his fluid routes and consistent play. The reason is that he can make the most ridiculously athletic plays. His potential is immense.

However, to be a top TE he will have to develop consistency and learn the small game. But again; he is 21 years old. He has years to learn the nuances of the game.

I'd say the people that drafted Ebron and are now bailing on him for second/third round picks are the same type of owners that traded away OBJ in September because he struggled with his hamstring for so long. If you didn't believe in him as a prospect to begin with, fine. But if you invested in him a year ago and sell him with a discount now...that's bad process.

Good points. I guess I'm the guy that had Ebron on the DND list and now I'm pointing at his ridiculously bad season saying, "I told ya so." I'm also the guy sitting on C. Patterson going, "Damn I wish I would have traded him last year..." :(

 

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I can't believe people are thinking that Ebron may be worth a first round rookie pick right now. If there was a startup dynasty I'd have at least 15 other TEs I'm taking before Ebron.I understand someone in the thread said rookie TEs take some time to develop, but Ebrons rookie season was historically bad. If you go find other first round selection rookie TEs that struggled in the last 5 years, I seriously doubt any of them played in an offense as prolific as Detroits passing game is. Highly doubt any of them played with a QB of Staffords caliber. The fact that he couldn't get on the field with Pettigrew in front of him speaks volumes. Also lets not forget Pettigrew was a first round pick of Detriots as well...

Maybe Ebron becomes fantasy relevant at some point, but I highly doubt it.

I am not sure what will happen with Ebron, but Stafford is an average quarterback and while Detriot passes for a lot of yards they but they don't get in the end zone through the air that often.Fleener - 26, 281 and 2

Witten 35, 347 and 1

Bennett 23, 283, and 4

Olsen 39 391 and 2

Eifert 39 445 2

Vernon Davis 20 265 and 3

Good points. I suppose Stafford has regressed over the past four seasons enough to where he is considered an average QB.

With that said - Fleener only played 12 games his rookie season (Ebron played 13 - not much difference I suppose), he was also teamed up with a rookie QB (although one he played with at college) but more importantly he was beaten out for the job by fellow TE rookie, Allen (who posted 45, 521 and 3). Witten's play was in a different era of passing metrics, as such I'd say his rookie production was much better than Ebrons. Bennett was the #2 TE behind Witten and not drafted to be some elite pass catcher - still outperformed Ebron - again, more proof that Ebron's rookie season was a disaster. Olsen/Eifert had production that is pretty significantly better than Ebron's - Eifert played 15 games, Olsen was back in 2007 - I really don't remember Chicago in that era. Was that Alex Smith throwing the ball to Vernon Davis as a rookie? Talk about a mediocre QB.

In the end I just don't see it with Ebron. I know a bunch of people compared him to Vernon Davis coming out of college, but that appeared to be more of a function on where he was drafted... Ebron had no where close to VD's measurables at the combine.

I think it's kind of pointless to sit and compare which underwhelming rookie TE season is slightly better or easier to make excuses for, the point is that there are very few TEs that put up big numbers in their rookie seasons. We know this.

The reason Ebron went so high isn't because of his fluid routes and consistent play. The reason is that he can make the most ridiculously athletic plays. His potential is immense.

However, to be a top TE he will have to develop consistency and learn the small game. But again; he is 21 years old. He has years to learn the nuances of the game.

I'd say the people that drafted Ebron and are now bailing on him for second/third round picks are the same type of owners that traded away OBJ in September because he struggled with his hamstring for so long. If you didn't believe in him as a prospect to begin with, fine. But if you invested in him a year ago and sell him with a discount now...that's bad process.

Good points. I guess I'm the guy that had Ebron on the DND list and now I'm pointing at his ridiculously bad season saying, "I told ya so." I'm also the guy sitting on C. Patterson going, "Damn I wish I would have traded him last year..." :(

Are you talking about last offseason? In that case you would have been selling Patterson high, so it's not the same. The case with both Patterson and Christine Michael was that so much of their potential was already priced into their market value. Selling Ebron now would be selling him low.

That's not to say, from a result based standpoint, that it can't be the right decision to dump Ebron. It's possible that his value will simply dwindle away as he continues to struggle and never amounts to anything. But while it may turn out to be the right decision I'll still argue that it's bad process since you simply can't evaluate the long term dynasty value of a TE based on his rookie season. History shows this. And if you keep bailing on TEs after their first season and raw WRs before their third season you're likely going to lose quite a bit of value in the long run.

Now, I understand that the original draft pick or trade currency spent to acquire Ebron last season is a sunk cost so there is no point in stubbornly anchoring his selling price to that value if his market value will never recover. But I find it hard to believe that today is the highest we'll ever see his market value for the rest of his career.