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What kind of talent is Michael Turner (1 Viewer)

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Just wondering what the common wisdom is on the fantasy prospects next year for Michael Turner.

We've seen flashes of his ability, but very limited sample sizes.

I know it depends greatly on where he goes next year, but what is the board consensus on what kind of player he'll make when he gets his shot next year, assuming at least an average O-line.

Also, where do you think he'd be the best fit, and what NFL team do you think will go after him the hardest.

I'm primarily interested as I may have an opportunity to move Jamal Lewis and Cadillac Williams in a package that could include Turner or Kevin Jones.

Should I roll the dice on Turner or Jones, or just keep a seemingly rejuvenated Jamal and hope for a Caddy comeback?

 
I'm personally predicting a huge breakout. I see him possibly moving into the top 8-10 for RB's. His play making ability is unquestionably better than most.

 
Just wondering what the common wisdom is on the fantasy prospects next year for Michael Turner.We've seen flashes of his ability, but very limited sample sizes. I know it depends greatly on where he goes next year, but what is the board consensus on what kind of player he'll make when he gets his shot next year, assuming at least an average O-line.Also, where do you think he'd be the best fit, and what NFL team do you think will go after him the hardest.I'm primarily interested as I may have an opportunity to move Jamal Lewis and Cadillac Williams in a package that could include Turner or Kevin Jones.Should I roll the dice on Turner or Jones, or just keep a seemingly rejuvenated Jamal and hope for a Caddy comeback?
Turner > KJ
 
i think it comes down to what NFL teams will be in the market for a RB and if they want to pay the higher price for a FA RB or draft one. I heard Peter King say the other day, i value his NFL option, he thinks NFL teams are crazy to pay a high price for a FA RB. He was referring to Henry and James.

 
I think Cleveland may be a possible destination - maybe the Jets given the ties to Brian Schottenheimer (and if the team brass has soured on Jones).

 
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From what I have seen, he is extremely talented running with the football. He is fast, explosive, and has good vision. He doesn't have elite lateral quickness, and needs to work on his vision a little bit, but that will improve the more that he plays. Bottom line: He can be a very productive football player in the NFL. The biggest question for me is his receiving ability, but even if those skills don't develop, I could see him as a 1st/2nd down option getting all the goal line work for a team. 300 carries from a guy that big/fast could lead to a lot of fantasy points, especially with some TDs, even if he isn't much of a receiver.

 
i think it comes down to what NFL teams will be in the market for a RB and if they want to pay the higher price for a FA RB or draft one. I heard Peter King say the other day, i value his NFL option, he thinks NFL teams are crazy to pay a high price for a FA RB. He was referring to Henry and James.
well he's right about that, both Henry and James were older players one with a lot of wear and tear ( James) and the other with plenty of injuries ( Henry).the market for Turner is going to explode in the offseason..Chicago, Cleveland, GB, Seattle, NE, and a few other teams are in need of RB's..going to Seattle would make MT a top 5 RB in 2008, with that line, and that offense with plays built around its RB..wow..he'd be spectacular in a Seahawks uniform next season. :rolleyes: He'd also be a great fit for the Packers , Cleve, and NE. NE can't seem to get Maroney on track, maybe they decide to give MT a shot. Cleveland only needs a home run threat at the RB position to round out that offense..the other side of the coin is this: are we seeing the gradual slowdown of LT , or is it Norv Turner's inability to be a HC that's holding him back? Something doesn't look right when you watch LT these days, I don't know if its his O-line not blocking as well as they used to, or if its wear and tear finally beginning to take its toll on his body. he has a lot of touches up to this point in his career...I tend to think the dam is starting to crack a little bit with LT, and that might mean the Chargers might decide to franchise MTurner, and keep him around...obviously, Michael Turner is worth a lot less if he stays in SD, but he's going to be a top 5-8 RB if he signs elsewhere...
 
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I drafted him this year with the intent of him being a keeper (2 man) for me next year.

I put a lot of stock in him and think he can be a force on the right team...I would really like to see him in Cleveland if the Browneyes decide to keep Anderson around. I think that team has other tools to allow Turner to really grow into the starter role.

I think he can be an elite back.

DISCLAIMER: I thought the same about Kevan Barlow :rolleyes:

 
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He will get a shot to showcase his average skills. I would expect a year or two of moderate success then he becomes Anthony Thomas.

 
I drafted him this year with the intent of him being a keeper (2 man) for me next year.

I put a lot of stock in him and think he can be a force on the right team...I would really like to see him in Cleveland if the Browneyes decide to keep Anderson around. I think that team has other tools to allow Turner to really grow into the starter role.

I think he can be an elite back.

DISCLAIMER: I thought the same about Kevan Barlow :bag:
i was thinking the same thing, as was alot of FF players.
 
i think it comes down to what NFL teams will be in the market for a RB and if they want to pay the higher price for a FA RB or draft one. I heard Peter King say the other day, i value his NFL option, he thinks NFL teams are crazy to pay a high price for a FA RB. He was referring to Henry and James.
well he's right about that, both Henry and James were older players one with a lot of wear and tear ( James) and the other with plenty of injuries ( Henry).
I can appreciate that, but James is top 10 in the league in rushing, and if Henry hadn't gotten hurt he might still be leading the league. Peter King is pretty sharp, and I value at least the ideas that his columns bring up, but I don't think that its a unilateral truth that high priced veteran RBs aren't worth their sticker. That said....
the market for Turner is going to explode in the offseason..Chicago, Cleveland, GB, Seattle, NE, and a few other teams are in need of RB's..going to Seattle would make MT a top 5 RB in 2008, with that line, and that offense with plays built around its RB..wow..he'd be spectacular in a Seahawks uniform next season. :kicksrock: He'd also be a great fit for the Packers , Cleve, and NE. NE can't seem to get Maroney on track, maybe they decide to give MT a shot. Cleveland only needs a home run threat at the RB position to round out that offense..
I'm not sold on the market being that open. Someone will take him, yes, but lots of people were predicting a huge market for Turner last season and, while there was a lot of talk, there wasn't anybody willing to pay the high tender. Many of the teams that seem to need a running back will try to draft one ( per Peter King's theory ). Some that seemed recently to need a RB have developed one and may just draft a late round insurance policy ( GB, maybe Tampa :fishing: ).Seattle is an idea that I brought up in the OP's AC post for his trade, and I really view this as the best option. New England is one I hadn't really thought about before, and as a guy that's bought his ticket on the Turner bandwagon in almost every keeper/dynasty I'm in, its as close to a FF wet dream as I can get. However, I really don't see this one working out. Turner just doesn't have the versatility that Belichick likes in his players. If he were a bigger threat receiving then I could buy it, but since they've got a shot at McFadden if they want him then I bet they'll pass.
the other side of the coin is this: are we seeing the gradual slowdown of LT , or is it Norv Turner's inability to be a HC that's holding him back? Something doesn't look right when you watch LT these days, I don't know if its his O-line not blocking as well as they used to, or if its wear and tear finally beginning to take its toll on his body. he has a lot of touches up to this point in his career...I tend to think the dam is starting to crack a little bit with LT, and that might mean the Chargers might decide to franchise MTurner, and keep him around...obviously, Michael Turner is worth a lot less if he stays in SD, but he's going to be a top 5-8 RB if he signs elsewhere...
As much as I don't see the market being wide open, I also don't see him settling for a backup job any longer, even if he thinks Tomlinson is wearing down ( I personally, just blame Norv, Rivers, and the line, in that order ). Can you franchise an unrestricted Free Agent?Repeating myself from the AC, I'm one of the Turner believers, but I do realize that situation makes a huge difference. If he goes somewhere like Seattle you could end up with a top 5 back, but if he goes somewhere and ends up mired in a RBBC then you may have struck out. There's might be more chance of a strike out than a home run because the stars have to align for him to get a good job, but there's more chance of a home run with Turner than many other players because of his talent.
 
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I think Cleveland may be a possible destination - maybe the Jets given the ties to Brian Schottenheimer (and if the team brass has soured on Jones).
Didn't Jamal get just a 1 year deal?How long is TJones' deal with NYJ? I think it's longer term and they have Leon Washington, too.
 
i think the only way turner gets the franchise tag is if something happens to tomlinson bet now and march. if they do franchise him and tomlinson is still on the team and healthy, it would be the first time in the history of the franchise tag that it was used on a backup, at any position. that said i think he plays for another team in 08 , last year tenn, buff, gb, were all players for him as a rfa. dallas made a play for him at the draft last year and could be after him again in 08, personaly id'e like to see denver go get him, and punish SD with him for a few years......

 
What about Houston? I know they just gave Green some money but that hasn't exactly worked so far. Schaub, Andre Johnson, and Turner would be a nice young set of triplets for the texans.

 
Michael "The Burner" Turner is is an awesome unstoppable full-grown man of a running back. He'll dominate regardless of where he ends up. He is THE NEXT BIG THING.

At least that was the prevailing opinion in these parts before this season. I doubt anything has changed.

 
the market for Turner is going to explode in the offseason..Chicago, Cleveland, GB, Seattle, NE, and a few other teams are in need of RB's..
I think GB is pretty set at RB. Grant looks like the real deal. Can't see them throwing big $$ at a RB.
going to Seattle would make MT a top 5 RB in 2008, with that line, and that offense with plays built around its RB..wow..he'd be spectacular in a Seahawks uniform next season. :lol:
agree fully with this.
 
It obviously depends where he ends up like others have said. I am intrigued if he ends up in Houston. I think that would be a good spot for him. Perhaps not as good as somewhere like Seattle, but he'd have the chance to be the man on an emerging offensive team. As a Turner owner, if I could pick his FA destination, I'd probably go Seattle, Houston, Cleveland. In that order.

 
What about Houston? I know they just gave Green some money but that hasn't exactly worked so far. Schaub, Andre Johnson, and Turner would be a nice young set of triplets for the texans.
I like the Houston shot and agree that he'd help that offense roll. With Ryans, Mario and the rest of a decent D developing, Houston could become a force. FWIW, I dealt Turner last year for Evans in one league, and along with Boldin for Westbrook in my other this year. I am fairly certain that I'll regret both moves next year.
 
the market for Turner is going to explode in the offseason..Chicago, Cleveland, GB, Seattle, NE, and a few other teams are in need of RB's..
I think GB is pretty set at RB. Grant looks like the real deal. Can't see them throwing big $$ at a RB.
going to Seattle would make MT a top 5 RB in 2008, with that line, and that offense with plays built around its RB..wow..he'd be spectacular in a Seahawks uniform next season. :shrug:
agree fully with this.
Is the line in Seattle that great anymore? Also this year the offense is built around the passing game. Maybe just cause SA's been hurt, but wasn't he ineffective before he was injured?
 
I couldn't imaginge Betts resigning this year with WA after the strong year he had last year, but he did. So it isn't out of the question that he resigns and stays in SD for the time being. I don't think SD will just let him walk without a fight. Also, if they tender him a legitimate offer and he signs elsewhere are they entitled to a compensatory pick? Or is that only if they put a tag on him?

 
I couldn't imaginge Betts resigning this year with WA after the strong year he had last year, but he did. So it isn't out of the question that he resigns and stays in SD for the time being. I don't think SD will just let him walk without a fight. Also, if they tender him a legitimate offer and he signs elsewhere are they entitled to a compensatory pick? Or is that only if they put a tag on him?
I was under the impression that SD wasn't going to franchise Turner. Maybe I'm thinking about someone else.I think Chicago would be a great spot for him as a former NIU Husky, he'd be playing in his backyard behind a decent OL on a team that needs a RB and loves to run. I traded a 2nd rounder in a 10 player keeper league draft to handcuff LT this year and hopefully give myself a solid starter for next year. We shall see what we shall see.
 
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Michael "The Burner" Turner is is an awesome unstoppable full-grown man of a running back. He'll dominate regardless of where he ends up. He is THE NEXT BIG THING.

At least that was the prevailing opinion in these parts before this season. I doubt anything has changed.
And there are going to be a lot of very disappointed people when he fails to live up to the hype.
 
Surprisingly (IMO), no mention of Oakland so far.

Fargas will be a FA after the season and this really is the first time since he's been drafted that he's staying healthy and performing pretty well. Jordan and Rhodes will likely be cut and Michael Bush is an enigma. Who knows what he'll be able to do.

I think Oakland could be in the market, depending on what they do with Fargas and their plans for a likely top 5 pick in the April Draft.

 
southeastjerome said:
It obviously depends where he ends up like others have said. I am intrigued if he ends up in Houston. I think that would be a good spot for him. Perhaps not as good as somewhere like Seattle, but he'd have the chance to be the man on an emerging offensive team. As a Turner owner, if I could pick his FA destination, I'd probably go Seattle, Houston, Cleveland. In that order.
Why this order? I'd probably rank them in reverse; Cleveland, Houston, Seattle. I view Cleveland and Houston as on their way up, while Seattle is on their way down. I put Cleveland #1 because they have invested in their Oline which is young, performing well, and could get better with the potential return of Bentley next season. Plus their offense is the best of the 3 teams listed.
 
Teams will look to draft a RB before signing Turner, and there should be a ton of talent available. Cleveland has no first round pick, so I think they are most likely to take a chance on Turner.

 
Black said:
I think Cleveland may be a possible destination - maybe the Jets given the ties to Brian Schottenheimer (and if the team brass has soured on Jones).
Didn't Jamal get just a 1 year deal?How long is TJones' deal with NYJ? I think it's longer term and they have Leon Washington, too.
Jamal did get a 1 year deal, but pretty sure that was only for this season. As for the Jets, Jones has a longer deal, but that doesn't mean they can't cut bait with him as long as the cap hit isn't too bad. I have to look at the numbers, but there may be a big cap hit for Pennington as well if they cut him.As for Leon Washington, he actually would be a good complement for Turner as a pass-catching 3rd down back - not one of MT's strengths.
 
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Teams will look to draft a RB before signing Turner, and there should be a ton of talent available. Cleveland has no first round pick, so I think they are most likely to take a chance on Turner.
Real good point.The question is really which team, of those in need of RB's, wants Turner's salary plus their number 1 pick at another position versus a high pick at RB and FA salary at another position.If that makes any sense.
 
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Loan Sharks said:
Lott said:
Michael "The Burner" Turner is is an awesome unstoppable full-grown man of a running back. He'll dominate regardless of where he ends up. He is THE NEXT BIG THING.

At least that was the prevailing opinion in these parts before this season. I doubt anything has changed.
And there are going to be a lot of very disappointed people when he fails to live up to the hype.
Why do you think he will fail? What has he done that makes you think he cannot be a feature Back in the NFL?
 
Teams will look to draft a RB before signing Turner, and there should be a ton of talent available. Cleveland has no first round pick, so I think they are most likely to take a chance on Turner.
Real good point.The question is really which team, of those in need of RB's, wants Turner's salary plus their number 1 pick at another position versus a high pick at RB and FA salary at another position.If that makes any sense.
A couple of things:The UFA period begins in early March - Turner will almost certainly be signed well before the April draft. That means, as you say, prospective RB-hungry suitors will decide whether to go after him and thus use high draft picks for other needs, or try to find their RB in the draft. To be sure, the depth in the draft may work against Turner and keep his price tag low, but some teams may also like to go with a more proven entity. All it takes is one team - we'll find out soon enough.One team that wasn't mentioned is the Titans - they almost traded for him last year. Are they content with White/Henry/Brown, or do they make a push for Turner?
 
I really don't think Cleveland would push hard for him. He would be a good fit, yes. But they would be better off resigning Jamal and spending the coin to shore up the front 7 on defense. They are not having problems scoring, just trying to stop people from scoring. Jamal is very serviceable for what their/our needs are. Yeah I'm a homer.

 
One team that wasn't mentioned is the Titans - they almost traded for him last year. Are they content with White/Henry/Brown, or do they make a push for Turner?
This is a good question. I would think the Titans would be happier if Henry could play the rest of the year, thus able to show more than he has already. He's shown he can be a good change of pace to White, but neither has shown the ability to be a 16 game workhorse. I expect Brown to move on, but he didn't find work last year and was brought back, and from what I understand, this year he has had a better relationship with the team. There are other places I expect to pay more for Turner - Houston for one, and other needs to be addressed - if the Titans pay the kind of $ Turner wants for anything, it better be a WR.
 
jwb said:
going to Seattle would make MT a top 5 RB in 2008, with that line, and that offense with plays built around its RB..wow..he'd be spectacular in a Seahawks uniform next season. :goodposting:
agree fully with this.
Seattle's offense is no longer built around the running game. And if you watched any Seahawks games this year you would know that they are no longer a very good run blocking team.
 
southeastjerome said:
It obviously depends where he ends up like others have said. I am intrigued if he ends up in Houston. I think that would be a good spot for him. Perhaps not as good as somewhere like Seattle, but he'd have the chance to be the man on an emerging offensive team. As a Turner owner, if I could pick his FA destination, I'd probably go Seattle, Houston, Cleveland. In that order.
Why this order? I'd probably rank them in reverse; Cleveland, Houston, Seattle. I view Cleveland and Houston as on their way up, while Seattle is on their way down. I put Cleveland #1 because they have invested in their Oline which is young, performing well, and could get better with the potential return of Bentley next season. Plus their offense is the best of the 3 teams listed.
Yeah, I could be convinced otherwise. Either way, I think those would all be ideal landing spots. Having been in the top 10 in rushing attemps over the past 2 seasons, up until this year Seattle has always leaned on the run. And even this year, they are averaging 26.5 carries per game. Among RBs and WRs, Turner would be the best weapon on that offense and you can bet Holmgren would run him.
 
For a known commodity that already knows how to pass block and won't cost a draft pick, why not pay for him?

There are many teams that haven't answered the bell at RB, several of which should try to sign him. Certainly division rivals in Denver and Oakland will look at him. These teams have likely already studied him more than anyone else and wouldn't mind sticking it to San Diego. They both have needs at the position. Cleveland certainly makes sense since they won't be paying big money out to a first round draft pick and they have a need. The salary cap will be increasing again, helping all teams sign free agents.

 
jwb said:
going to Seattle would make MT a top 5 RB in 2008, with that line, and that offense with plays built around its RB..wow..he'd be spectacular in a Seahawks uniform next season. :confused:
agree fully with this.
Seattle's offense is no longer built around the running game. And if you watched any Seahawks games this year you would know that they are no longer a very good run blocking team.
Agreed. This is a very different SEA team than the one that went to the SB. Still, I'm not sure if SEA isn't a running team anymore just because of the blocking or if it's because of the SA's decline. Hass is 32 and they'll need to find another direction to go soon. Holmgren/Hass's days are looking to be numbered in SEA. It'll be a completely different team in the near future. They'll need to retool(I think they have a better shot in this years playoffs than most people do) and I don't think Holmgren wants to stay around for the amount of time that'll take.
 
For a known commodity that already knows how to pass block and won't cost a draft pick, why not pay for him? There are many teams that haven't answered the bell at RB, several of which should try to sign him. Certainly division rivals in Denver and Oakland will look at him. These teams have likely already studied him more than anyone else and wouldn't mind sticking it to San Diego. They both have needs at the position. Cleveland certainly makes sense since they won't be paying big money out to a first round draft pick and they have a need. The salary cap will be increasing again, helping all teams sign free agents.
There are a lot of good RB's coming into the league who will be much cheaper than Turner. I don't doubt that he'll get a big payday, but I doubt there will be a lot of bidding to get him. Even though a rookie costs a draft pick, teams can get a guy for 4 years without breaking the bank. IMO, Turner is on par with the RB's after McFadden who will likely last until the end of the 1st/early 2nd. If a bad team needs a RB then they should be able to get one in the 2nd.
 
Turner will be nothing special in a full time role. Book it.
:drive:Didn't I just get an offer for him from you involving Selvin Young? (when Young's value peaked a few weeks back. I.E. before it has been shown he's a brittle twig. No surprise as he's never been healthy at any level.)
 
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He reminds me of Lamont Jordan's best games with the Jets so he's got me a bit nervous

 
Bumping this early for keeper/dynasty leaguers that are hopelessly out of the running this year.

His workload is obviously down this year given the absence of blowouts, but it doesn't seem like he's been overly productive in his limited time outside of the long, early season TD run

The number of potential destinations for him appears lower than just a few months ago - that is, among those teams that are willing to pay up to get him and and not use a draft pick in a deep crop.

In any event, what are the updated thoughts on MT heading into free agency? Has his market value come down from the beginning of the season?

 
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I think Turner only getting 48 carries up to this point in the season is not a bad thing. I mean which ever team signs him this off season will be happy with the little wear and tear he has had on his body.

Here is a list of teams that I feel could use an upgrade at RB or may look to try and upgrade and don't have a proven back on their roster at this time to carry the load. Now, not that Turner is proven but he will be a great pick up for someone: Also, I don't know these teams financial situations etc so don't know if all of these are possibilities.

Possibilites that I forsee:

Chicago Bears: Benson is meh and they don't have another guy to feature

Houston Texans: A. Green showed his age this season. Dayne is a fill in RB, not a featured RB

Atlanta Falcons: Dunn is done and is Norwood the replacement?

Carolina Panthers: Foster and Williams are meh

Tennesse Titans: are they totally happy with White? Brown is a back up and Herny is meh

New York Giants: Jacobs and Ward have been good but do they may want a guy like Turner?

Denver Broncos: Is Henry going to be suspended and if so would they be happy with what they were left with?

Oakland Raiders: Jordan is done, Rhodes is no good. Is huggy bear feature material?

Seattle: Alexander appears done..... Morris is not feature material

Detroit: Are they one hundred percent happy with K. Jones as their guy for the future?

Doubtfuls but a small chance:

Cleveland: Lewis has been more than adequate and I doubt they will mess with what they have

Cincy: I think R. Johnson is replacable, but I doubt they make this move.

Tamba: Graham has been better than average and they still have Caddy as well

Green Bay: It appears they found a guy in Grant that has been impressive

 
I think Turner only getting 48 carries up to this point in the season is not a bad thing. I mean which ever team signs him this off season will be happy with the little wear and tear he has had on his body.Here is a list of teams that I feel could use an upgrade at RB or may look to try and upgrade and don't have a proven back on their roster at this time to carry the load. Now, not that Turner is proven but he will be a great pick up for someone: Also, I don't know these teams financial situations etc so don't know if all of these are possibilities.Possibilites that I forsee:Chicago Bears: Benson is meh and they don't have another guy to featureHouston Texans: A. Green showed his age this season. Dayne is a fill in RB, not a featured RBAtlanta Falcons: Dunn is done and is Norwood the replacement?Carolina Panthers: Foster and Williams are mehTennesse Titans: are they totally happy with White? Brown is a back up and Herny is mehNew York Giants: Jacobs and Ward have been good but do they may want a guy like Turner?Denver Broncos: Is Henry going to be suspended and if so would they be happy with what they were left with?Oakland Raiders: Jordan is done, Rhodes is no good. Is huggy bear feature material?Seattle: Alexander appears done..... Morris is not feature materialDetroit: Are they one hundred percent happy with K. Jones as their guy for the future?Doubtfuls but a small chance:Cleveland: Lewis has been more than adequate and I doubt they will mess with what they haveCincy: I think R. Johnson is replacable, but I doubt they make this move.Tamba: Graham has been better than average and they still have Caddy as wellGreen Bay: It appears they found a guy in Grant that has been impressive
I think Turners market is hurt by this year drafts class being kinda deep after McFaddenof your list I like the following:ChicagoCarolinaSeattle
 
Possibilites that I forsee:Chicago Bears: Benson is meh and they don't have another guy to featureHouston Texans: A. Green showed his age this season. Dayne is a fill in RB, not a featured RBAtlanta Falcons: Dunn is done and is Norwood the replacement?Carolina Panthers: Foster and Williams are mehTennesse Titans: are they totally happy with White? Brown is a back up and Herny is mehNew York Giants: Jacobs and Ward have been good but do they may want a guy like Turner?Denver Broncos: Is Henry going to be suspended and if so would they be happy with what they were left with?Oakland Raiders: Jordan is done, Rhodes is no good. Is huggy bear feature material?Seattle: Alexander appears done..... Morris is not feature materialDetroit: Are they one hundred percent happy with K. Jones as their guy for the future?
I would agree with those, with the exception of Chicago, Detroit and Oakland. Benson indeed isn't very good, but the team has a lot of money committed to him, so IMO they won't break the bank to get competition for him. I think KJ is also safe in Detroit. Oakland will probably try to re-sign Fargas and have him compete with Bush.Sniffer is right that a deep rookie crop hurts, but on the other hand, some teams may want a more proven guy. All it takes is a couple of teams interested in him to bid up his value.
 
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