bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
I did gloss over Houston. Not sure how he fits into a one cut zone block scheme, but they could grab him and I would like that spot too,
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What kind of talent is Michael Turner (1 Viewer)
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zamboni
Footballguy
Plus I'm sure Kubiak knows him well from their AFC West rivalry days.
Does anyone else think that teams may be scared off by the fact that Turner will be 26 when FA starts and will be more than halfway to 27 by the time the season starts? If I have the choice between offering a 5-year contract to a guy who is 22/23 and a four year deal to a guy Turner's age, I'd go with the younger guy every time. Turner doesn't have much wear-and-tear, but I still live in fear of that 30yo wall.
PranksterJD
Footballguy
I don't generally think of it as a "30 year old" wall, but more of a "2000 carry" wall. It just happens that the 2000th carry tends to occur at close to the same time as the 30th birthday.That said, I do think that Turner's options and hype have lessened some over the course of this season. The depth of the RB rookie class is part of it, but another part is just the fact that NFL GMs and the media are not publicizing this stuff yet. There will be plenty of Turner talk once free agency starts, and someone will need a RB and have a bad draft spot or more pressing draft needs WILL go after the Burner.The main thing he's got going for him at this point is that the FA period starts 2 months before the draft.
Fantaholic
Footballguy
Words right out of my mouth.
BusterTBronco
Footballguy
The fact that the Chargers aren't giving him any carries should tell you something.
tribecalledjeff
Footballguy
If you had a choice to give the ball to LT or any other back in the league, you'd give it to LT, too.BoltBacker
Footballguy
Exactly.If he goes to another team that has the #1 RB in the nfl... I don't like his prospects.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
So he'll kick butt the first year with his new team then fade into sucklivion?
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Jordan was very good this season before getting injured as well. In three seasons Jordan only looked bad one year, and that was last year when it looked like the offense was being run by... well, I'm still not sure they were even calling plays last season.
zamboni
Footballguy
If one sees Turner as getting his payday and resting on his laurels, then you may be right. That said, while I don't know much about Turner, I don't get the sense he's like the historically unmotivated Jordan.
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zamboni
Footballguy
Just wait until the next 60+ page thread blossoms right after the season ends.
thehornet
Footballguy
no stud, but def above average run whole falls forward. in much better shape than Lamont (not sure where that comparsion is coming from). I think his upside on a good running team is 1200 yards rushing, 7 touchdowns, 25 rec, 200 rec yards. I think his value on a bad running team will be 950 rush, 3-4 tds, 30 rec, 250 rec yds.
total shot in the dark right there.
total shot in the dark right there.
cstu
Footballguy
I'm a dynasty Turner owner but I do have some concern that with the junior RB depth this year that it could leave Turner the odd man out. I just don't see a team willing to break the bank with Turner when there will be some very talented backs available in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. He'll probably get a smaller deal than people expect and end up in some type of RBBC next year.
Young guys who suck are a dime a dozen. Are you saying you would rather have a younger guy with less talent who might never make an impact to a guy who has proven he can run in the NFL?
I dont know that he's saying that more than he's just trying to point out that teams are becoming less and less likely to spend alot on the position of RB. Young RBs who dont command a large salary are more popular now. The RB position seems to be moving in a more "disposable" direction.
Dave Stauff
Footballguy
I'm a believer and have stashed Turner on as many of my dynasty teams as possible, at little cost other than taking up a roster spot over the past two years. I'm looking forward to cashing in on that investment next year.
As far as landing zones go, I think Houston is probable, but the suggestion of Atlanta intrigues me as well. Dunn is fading and I don't see Norwood as a Petrino type of power back - but Turner may fit that bill and allow the Falcons to focus their draft on finding their QB of the future and upgrading their O-line. I think Cleveland, Chicago and Seattle are long shots, Oakland a possibility, but what about New Orleans if a twice bitten McAllister is not in their long term plans? Be a pretty good fit with Bush in that offense.
As far as landing zones go, I think Houston is probable, but the suggestion of Atlanta intrigues me as well. Dunn is fading and I don't see Norwood as a Petrino type of power back - but Turner may fit that bill and allow the Falcons to focus their draft on finding their QB of the future and upgrading their O-line. I think Cleveland, Chicago and Seattle are long shots, Oakland a possibility, but what about New Orleans if a twice bitten McAllister is not in their long term plans? Be a pretty good fit with Bush in that offense.
Couple of twists to my statement here. I never said that I would want a back with less talent, by putting in the five-year contract, I was implying a first day draft pick because only the top few rounds can receive contracts of five or more years. Now the talent question is murky. The argument for Turner points to his numbers when he has spelled LT as evidence that Turner nas NFL talent. The Turner detracter claims that those statistics came when a) defenses were battered and bruised by LT, b) at the end of blowout games when the outcome was no longer in doubt and c) that Turner has only shown situatational success and has never shown that he can carry the load full-time in the NFL. I tend to place less weight on what Turner has done, factoring past accomplishments into his potential. A round 1 or 2 back will also have great potential and come at a cheaper price. Turner is probably only going to get one big payday and he, his agent and other teams know it. A rookie will slot into where he was drafted. Further, runningback seems to be the position that has the quickest learning curve when it comes to transitioning to the NFL. Every year we see rookies make a major impact. A team will have to value Turner's services much more than what they think they can find in the draft. So Turner needs to find a team that needs a runningback and takes his services over a rookie. There will be two ways this can happen. A team feels that Turner is a greater talent than the players in the draft, or the team has so many holes that the team wishes to address other positions through the draft. If the first scenario pans out, Turner owners rejoice. If the second scenario pans out, then Turner likely is on a team that is not very good. If this happens, even if he is the clear cut number one back, he may not have a great opportunity. To put this another way, if Turner is the last piece of the Texans offensive puzzle, then he can be real good. If Turner is the shining star on a dismal NYJ team, with all the talent in the world, his situation may limit him to a #2 RB at best. I like Turner, I had him on my team before reluctantly trading him, but he is all potential still and a deep '08 RB class hurts him in his free agency; especially if he does not sign quick.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
haterzI think turner could easily be top 10 next year. he is a special talent. have any of you haters watched the way he runs. explosive to the whole with a sick 5th gear.
You can add the fact that he breaks a lot of tackles. I see him as Jamal Lewis in his prime, but add an extra gear or two.I will not be surprised if he is a to 10 stud next year. He has that kind of talent in my opinion.Well...Jamal in his prime is a 2k yard back so that's laying it on a little too thick IMOYou can add the fact that he breaks a lot of tackles. I see him as Jamal Lewis in his prime, but add an extra gear or two.I will not be surprised if he is a to 10 stud next year. He has that kind of talent in my opinion.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
Is he good enough to do it? maybe, but he would need to go to a supreme situation to do so. Im thinking the Browns, or maybe the Texans, other than that, i cant see him being a top 10. Even with the Browns, Lewis would have to be completely out of the picture. I would also bet the Texans take Felix Jones or Jonathan Stewart in the first.I think there is a chance he doesnt get the deal he wants somewhere else, and resigns with the Chargers.
FavreCo
Footballguy
Something like that. He's not in Green Bay's plan. He's not in Houston's plan...they already screwed up with Green. They aren't going back to that well. It's cheaper to draft a RB in the 2-4 rounds. Maybe the Jets. Maybe the Giants. Possibly a really BAD team like the Bears.dickey moe said:
Jedimaster21
Footballguy
The number of carries a player has is important, but not nearly as important as age. Footballguys did a study on this a few years ago, and results clearly showed that when a player approaches 30, they start to diminish regardless of carries. Now there are exceptions (Tiki and Curtis Martin), but I do think Turner's age could affect his value slightly. However, he is still only 26 (Ronnie Brown will be 26 next season), and a team will most likely sign him to a long term deal that will give them a few options after three years. With the amount of talent he has, he will definitely get a shot next year and should make the most of it. He still has at least 3 years of peak productivity in him, and with today's NFL landscape a majority of teams don't seem to be looking further ahead than that.PranksterJD said:
zamboni
Footballguy
I have similar concerns, although I think there will be at least one team out there that has been impressed with him thus far to give him a chance. Fortunately for him, the free agency period enables RB-needy teams to at least consider addressing that need in lieu of having to spend an early pick on the RB position.
MU Seminole
Footballguy
If Kubiak subscribes to the Shanahan RB draft plan (Kubiak passed on Reggie Bush, if that's any indication), hopefully they won't.Burning Sensation said:Is he good enough to do it? maybe, but he would need to go to a supreme situation to do so. Im thinking the Browns, or maybe the Texans, other than that, i cant see him being a top 10. Even with the Browns, Lewis would have to be completely out of the picture. I would also bet the Texans take Felix Jones or Jonathan Stewart in the first.I think there is a chance he doesnt get the deal he wants somewhere else, and resigns with the Chargers.Anthony Borbely said:haterz
I think turner could easily be top 10 next year. he is a special talent. have any of you haters watched the way he runs. explosive to the whole with a sick 5th gear.You can add the fact that he breaks a lot of tackles. I see him as Jamal Lewis in his prime, but add an extra gear or two.
I will not be surprised if he is a to 10 stud next year. He has that kind of talent in my opinion.
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The Ref
Footballguy
Yeah, it tells me that if he signs with the Vikings they will probably continue to give the carries to AD.
BusterTBronco
Footballguy
Hey Michael Turner fans! Where ya at?
When the Chargers decided to give LT a rest today, they gave the rock to Darren Sproles.
That tells you all you need to know about Michael Turner.
When the Chargers decided to give LT a rest today, they gave the rock to Darren Sproles.
That tells you all you need to know about Michael Turner.
skillz
Footballguy
That's because Turner injured his shoulder and had to leave the game. You should check the facts first before you start calling people out.
