What's Normal? - Do you fly the American flag on July 4th? (1 Viewer)

[-OZ-]

I don't fly one outside but I have one in my garage that flew a mission over Iraq back in the day and I have my dad's funeral flag in my man cave. Suppose that kinda counts.

one of these days I’ll pull out the flags from Iraq or Afghanistan and find a place to put them up.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

We have a bunny flag flying. I thought it was illegal to fly a US flag at night unless it has a spotlight or something? I know there are lots of rules, but don't know what they are.

My grandpa was a WW2 Navy fighter pilot who fired one of the torpedo's from his plane that helped sink the Yamato Battleship. He was as patriotic as it gets and his flag flew on a free-standing flagpole on his farm, day and night with no light, for as long as I can remember.

So I say, fly 'em if you got 'em.

My gramps was in the Pacific. He flew the Narragansett beer flag for the rest of his life after that.

Mine too. When I was a kid and proudly told other vets about my Grandfather they would always assume it was in Europe. When I said he was in the Pacific on Guadalcanal, every last one of them would let out an audible “oooo” and would add how nasty the condition were or how brutal it was over there.


We’re all lucky to be having this conversation.

Guadalcanal also, according to my aunt. I have also been told he was Iwo Jima and Okinawa. I wish he was still alive so I could hear exactly where he was. He would never talk about it when I was a kid. He was seriously messed up from it all unfortunately.

Same. Tried to talk to him but I asked poorly worded questions like “ So what was the war like?” (Idiot! )

The was the first and only time I ever saw Pop cry.

I started a thread here a while back and shared some of it. I have about 50 of his letters sent back to his wife and more than half of them mention looking for beer lol.

If you know which unit he was in I might be able to help you. I’ve paused my quest to track where my grandfather was but I’ll happily look into your grandfathers unit for ya the next time I break out the boxes.

Pop was with the Americal division, 57th combat engineer battalion - Guadalcanal, then it gets hazy but it seems to be they hit Lyte, Bougainville and Fiji.

I have a deck of playing cards with his hand written words” from DC to Fiji and back”

What state was he? My gramps was James McElroy providence RI. He initially lied about his birthday and he went in at 16. That's where the confusion starts. I'll try and get more info from my aunt asap. Thx!

He was also in Korea.

Maryland. Earliest letter that said he was on Guadalcanal was August of 1942 which is EARLY war.

He almost moved his family to Washington State. He said it was the most beautiful place he had ever seen. (To be fair, 3 years in the pacific probably had something to do with that)

 

[Chris B.]

A realtor comes to our neighborhood every year the week before 7/4 and sticks little flags in our lawns with a business card attached. I voted no.

That’s icky imo.

I see what you mean, we don't mind though. This lady also leave tiny pumpkins with her card for Halloween. It's just advertising.

 

[In The Zone]

We fly an American flag year round at my house.

 

[The Commish]

We have a bunny flag flying. I thought it was illegal to fly a US flag at night unless it has a spotlight or something? I know there are lots of rules, but don't know what they are.

Most people don't.....as a result, this is a touchy subject for me. You are correct. If flown at night, it must be lighted. You must take it down in the rain and you must not use it as decoration. There are a bunch of other things that are "proper" when dealing with flags that most people don't know, but these three things annoy the ever-loving **** out of me.

 

[identikit]

I'll fly my flag from July 1 through the 4th

Will keep the porch light on overnight

It's under the eave so it won't get wet

Just for all the 'proper' folks

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

We have a bunny flag flying. I thought it was illegal to fly a US flag at night unless it has a spotlight or something? I know there are lots of rules, but don't know what they are.

Most people don't.....as a result, this is a touchy subject for me. You are correct. If flown at night, it must be lighted. You must take it down in the rain and you must not use it as decoration. There are a bunch of other things that are "proper" when dealing with flags that most people don't know, but these three things annoy the ever-loving **** out of me.

There is a masque across the street that puts up like 40 different countries’ flags during Ramadan. This year I saw the Stars and Stripes laying on the ground. I picked it up and took it home with me and disposed of it properly.

They bought another one and the bottom was touching the ground. Somebody else got to it before me.

FTR- I don’t have any issues with anything other than respecting the flag. Homie don’t play that.

 

[The Commish]

We have a bunny flag flying. I thought it was illegal to fly a US flag at night unless it has a spotlight or something? I know there are lots of rules, but don't know what they are.

Most people don't.....as a result, this is a touchy subject for me. You are correct. If flown at night, it must be lighted. You must take it down in the rain and you must not use it as decoration. There are a bunch of other things that are "proper" when dealing with flags that most people don't know, but these three things annoy the ever-loving **** out of me.

There is a masque across the street that puts up like 40 different countries’ flags during Ramadan. This year I saw the Stars and Stripes laying on the ground. I picked it up and took it home with me and disposed of it properly.

They bought another one and the bottom was touching the ground. Somebody else got to it before me.

FTR- I don’t have any issues with anything other than respecting the flag. Homie don’t play that.

 

[Dezbelief]

We have a bunny flag flying. I thought it was illegal to fly a US flag at night unless it has a spotlight or something? I know there are lots of rules, but don't know what they are.

Most people don't.....as a result, this is a touchy subject for me. You are correct. If flown at night, it must be lighted. You must take it down in the rain and you must not use it as decoration. There are a bunch of other things that are "proper" when dealing with flags that most people don't know, but these three things annoy the ever-loving **** out of me.

What annoys me is any flag related advertising and work uniforms with a flag. If you're not in the Armed Forces a flag patch shouldn't be on your clothes.

 

[NutterButter]

Are we going to have a poll for all the other days in the year so I can vote HELL YES!!! for all of them?

 

[The Commish]

We have a bunny flag flying. I thought it was illegal to fly a US flag at night unless it has a spotlight or something? I know there are lots of rules, but don't know what they are.

Most people don't.....as a result, this is a touchy subject for me. You are correct. If flown at night, it must be lighted. You must take it down in the rain and you must not use it as decoration. There are a bunch of other things that are "proper" when dealing with flags that most people don't know, but these three things annoy the ever-loving **** out of me.

What annoys me is any flag related advertising and work uniforms with a flag. If you're not in the Armed Forces a flag patch shouldn't be on your clothes.

Agreed.....all the doofuses riding around "flying" the flag on their 4x4 is another one. I get more upset about the fire department doing that though...they KNOW better.

 

[Ron Swanson]

Yep. We fly one every day off the front of the house and have a spotlight for it. Replace it about every 6 months. One of my pet peeves is all the cheap non-embroidered foreign made flags that show up this time of year. At least buy a flag made in America. I used to buy the Annin brand but the last few have been Grace Alley and they last a bit better.

 

[Dezbelief]

Yep. We fly one every day off the front of the house and have a spotlight for it. Replace it about every 6 months. One of my pet peeves is all the cheap non-embroidered foreign made flags that show up this time of year. At least buy a flag made in America. I used to buy the Annin brand but the last few have been Grace Alley and they last a bit better.

The majority of US flags are made in China, that bugs the heck out of me.

 

[identikit]

Fair amount of 'upsettedness' in here.

Guess it's tough to be happy and tolerant of others

 

[PIK95]

Fair amount of 'upsettedness' in here.

Guess it's tough to be happy and tolerant of others

The main reason I would never fly one at my house fwiw.

And it is sad. My dad, gramps, and tons of uncles all served. It's just not worth the run ins with some of the people it attracts unfortunately. We make fun of them, and some of them are our friends, we refer to them as pickup truck mafia. They have LOUD opinions on America and always tell us, lol. But they can be a bit intimidating. Maybe it's just me.

 

[Dezbelief]

Fair amount of 'upsettedness' in here.

Guess it's tough to be happy and tolerant of others

Correct, I'm not tolerant of disrespect.

 

[Terminalxylem]

We fly a small stars and stripes throughout the summer...

same. its the best flag there is

Isle of Mann and Bhutan are in the running IMO.

 

[identikit]

Fair amount of 'upsettedness' in here.

Guess it's tough to be happy and tolerant of others

Correct, I'm not tolerant of disrespect.

As you determine

 

[ChiefD]

There is a masque across the street that puts up like 40 different countries’ flags during Ramadan. This year I saw the Stars and Stripes laying on the ground. I picked it up and took it home with me and disposed of it properly.

They bought another one and the bottom was touching the ground. Somebody else got to it before me.

FTR- I don’t have any issues with anything other than respecting the flag. Homie don’t play that.

When my kids were younger our American flag started to show its age. So we put up a new one and had a proper flag disposal ceremony in the back yard. It was neat for the kids to see and hopefully they learned something. I think they did. I still make em stand up when they play the national anthem before the Royals game on TV.

 

[The Commish]

Fair amount of 'upsettedness' in here.

Guess it's tough to be happy and tolerant of others

Correct, I'm not tolerant of disrespect.

As you determine

As the law determines

 

[identikit]

Fair amount of 'upsettedness' in here.

Guess it's tough to be happy and tolerant of others

Correct, I'm not tolerant of disrespect.

As you determine

As the law determines

Happy 4th!!!!!!

 

[bigbottom]

Yes.

 

[bigbottom]

We have a bunny flag flying. I thought it was illegal to fly a US flag at night unless it has a spotlight or something? I know there are lots of rules, but don't know what they are.

Most people don't.....as a result, this is a touchy subject for me. You are correct. If flown at night, it must be lighted. You must take it down in the rain and you must not use it as decoration. There are a bunch of other things that are "proper" when dealing with flags that most people don't know, but these three things annoy the ever-loving **** out of me.

You can fly a flag in the rain if it is an all weather flag.

 

[Dezbelief]

Fair amount of 'upsettedness' in here.

Guess it's tough to be happy and tolerant of others

Correct, I'm not tolerant of disrespect.

As you determine

Wrong


PUBLIC LAW 105-225—AUG. 12, 1998 112 STAT. 1497
"(2) the term 'executive or military department' means
any agency listed under sections 101 and 102 of title 5, United
States Code; and
"(3) the term 'Member of Congress' means a Senator, a
Representative, a Delegate, or the Resident Commissioner from
Puerto Rico.
" When the flag is used to cover a casket, it should be
so placed that the union is at the head and over the left shoulder.
The flag should not be lowered into the grave or allowed to touch
the ground.
"(o) When the flag is suspended across a corridor or lobby
in a building with only one main entrance, it should be suspended
vertically with the union of the flag to the observer's left upon
entering. If the building has more than one main entrance, the
flag should be suspended vertically near the center of the corridor
or lobby with the union to the north, when entrances are to the
east and west or to the east when entrances are to the north
and south. If there are entrances in more than two directions,
the union should be to the east.
'*§8. Respect for flag
"No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States
of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing.
Regimental colors. State flags, and organization or institutional
flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.
"(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down,
except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger
to life or property.
"(b) The flag should never touch anjdihing beneath it, such
as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise.
"(c) The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but
always aloft and free.
"(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding,
or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up,
in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white,
and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the
middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's
desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in gen￾eral.
"(e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or
stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled,
or damaged in any way.
"(f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.
"(g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any
part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word,
figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.
"(h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving,
holding, carrying, or delivering anything.
"(i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes
in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such
articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or other￾wise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or an3^hing that is
designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should
not be fastened to a staff" or halyard from which the flag is flown.
"(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume
or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the
uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and
is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin
being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.
"(k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer
a ntting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified
way, preferably by burning.
^§9. Conduct during hoisting, lowering or passing of flag
"During the ceremony of hoisting or lowering the flag or when
the flag is passing in a parade or in review, all persons present
except those in uniform should face the flag and stand at attention
with the right hand over the heart. Those present in uniform
should render the military salute. When not in uniform, men should
remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the
left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Aliens should stand
at attention. The salute to the flag in a moving column shoidd
be rendered at the moment the flag passes.
**^ 10. Modification of rules and customs by President
"Any rule or custom pertaining to the display of the flag of
the United States of America, set forth herein, may be altered,
modified, or repealed, or additional rules with respect thereto may
be prescribed, by the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces
of the United States, whenever he deems it to be appropriate
or desirable; and any such alteration or additional rule shall be
set forth in a proclamation.".
(b) The analysis of chapter 1 of title 4, United States Code,
is amended by adding at the end the following new items:
"4. Pledge of allegiance to the flag; manner of delivery.
"5. Display and use of flag by civilians; codification of rules and customs; defini￾tion.
"6. Time and occasions for display.
"7. Position and manner of display.
"8. Respect for flag.
"9. Conduct during hoisting, lowering or passing of flag.
"10. Modification of rules and customs by President.".
SEC. 3. CONFORMING PROVISIONS.
Section 1332 of title 44, United States Code, is amended by
striking "the United Spanish War Veterans,".
SEC. 4. CONFORMING CROSS-REFERENCES.
(a) TITLE 10.—^Title 10, United States Code, is amended as
follows:
(1) In section 2249b, strike "the provisions of section 3
of the Joint Resolution of June 22, 1942 (56 Stat. 378, chapter
435; 36 U.S.C. 175), and any modification of such provisions
under section 8 of that Joint Resolution (36 U.S.C. 178)" and
substitute "section 7 of title 4 and any modification of section
7 under section 10 of title 4".
(2) Section 2543 is amended as follows:
(A) In subsection (e)(1), strike "subsection (bX2) of the
first section of the Presidential Inaugural Ceremonies Act
(36 U.S.C. 721)" and substitute "section 501 of title 36".
(B) In subsection (e)(2), strike "the proviso in section
9 of the Presidential Inaugural Ceremonies Act (36 U.S.C.
729)" and substitute "section 507 of title 36

 

[The Commish]

We have a bunny flag flying. I thought it was illegal to fly a US flag at night unless it has a spotlight or something? I know there are lots of rules, but don't know what they are.

Most people don't.....as a result, this is a touchy subject for me. You are correct. If flown at night, it must be lighted. You must take it down in the rain and you must not use it as decoration. There are a bunch of other things that are "proper" when dealing with flags that most people don't know, but these three things annoy the ever-loving **** out of me.

You can fly a flag in the rain if it is an all weather flag.

yep

 

[identikit]

Fair amount of 'upsettedness' in here.

Guess it's tough to be happy and tolerant of others

Correct, I'm not tolerant of disrespect.

As you determine

Wrong


PUBLIC LAW 105-225—AUG. 12, 1998 112 STAT. 1497
"(2) the term 'executive or military department' means
any agency listed under sections 101 and 102 of title 5, United
States Code; and
"(3) the term 'Member of Congress' means a Senator, a
Representative, a Delegate, or the Resident Commissioner from
Puerto Rico.
" When the flag is used to cover a casket, it should be
so placed that the union is at the head and over the left shoulder.
The flag should not be lowered into the grave or allowed to touch
the ground.
"(o) When the flag is suspended across a corridor or lobby
in a building with only one main entrance, it should be suspended
vertically with the union of the flag to the observer's left upon
entering. If the building has more than one main entrance, the
flag should be suspended vertically near the center of the corridor
or lobby with the union to the north, when entrances are to the
east and west or to the east when entrances are to the north
and south. If there are entrances in more than two directions,
the union should be to the east.
'*§8. Respect for flag
"No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States
of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing.
Regimental colors. State flags, and organization or institutional
flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.
"(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down,
except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger
to life or property.
"(b) The flag should never touch anjdihing beneath it, such
as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise.
"(c) The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but
always aloft and free.
"(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding,
or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up,
in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white,
and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the
middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's
desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in gen￾eral.
"(e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or
stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled,
or damaged in any way.
"(f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.
"(g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any
part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word,
figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.
"(h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving,
holding, carrying, or delivering anything.
"(i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes
in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such
articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or other￾wise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or an3^hing that is
designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should
not be fastened to a staff" or halyard from which the flag is flown.
"(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume
or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the
uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and
is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin
being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.
"(k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer
a ntting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified
way, preferably by burning.
^§9. Conduct during hoisting, lowering or passing of flag
"During the ceremony of hoisting or lowering the flag or when
the flag is passing in a parade or in review, all persons present
except those in uniform should face the flag and stand at attention
with the right hand over the heart. Those present in uniform
should render the military salute. When not in uniform, men should
remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the
left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Aliens should stand
at attention. The salute to the flag in a moving column shoidd
be rendered at the moment the flag passes.
**^ 10. Modification of rules and customs by President
"Any rule or custom pertaining to the display of the flag of
the United States of America, set forth herein, may be altered,
modified, or repealed, or additional rules with respect thereto may
be prescribed, by the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces
of the United States, whenever he deems it to be appropriate
or desirable; and any such alteration or additional rule shall be
set forth in a proclamation.".
(b) The analysis of chapter 1 of title 4, United States Code,
is amended by adding at the end the following new items:
"4. Pledge of allegiance to the flag; manner of delivery.
"5. Display and use of flag by civilians; codification of rules and customs; defini￾tion.
"6. Time and occasions for display.
"7. Position and manner of display.
"8. Respect for flag.
"9. Conduct during hoisting, lowering or passing of flag.
"10. Modification of rules and customs by President.".
SEC. 3. CONFORMING PROVISIONS.
Section 1332 of title 44, United States Code, is amended by
striking "the United Spanish War Veterans,".
SEC. 4. CONFORMING CROSS-REFERENCES.
(a) TITLE 10.—^Title 10, United States Code, is amended as
follows:
(1) In section 2249b, strike "the provisions of section 3
of the Joint Resolution of June 22, 1942 (56 Stat. 378, chapter
435; 36 U.S.C. 175), and any modification of such provisions
under section 8 of that Joint Resolution (36 U.S.C. 178)" and
substitute "section 7 of title 4 and any modification of section
7 under section 10 of title 4".
(2) Section 2543 is amended as follows:
(A) In subsection (e)(1), strike "subsection (bX2) of the
first section of the Presidential Inaugural Ceremonies Act
(36 U.S.C. 721)" and substitute "section 501 of title 36".
(B) In subsection (e)(2), strike "the proviso in section
9 of the Presidential Inaugural Ceremonies Act (36 U.S.C.
729)" and substitute "section 507 of title 36

I'm surprised you have time to post, instead of calling the authorities with every violation you see

I mean, as a good neighbor/citizen

Again, Happy 4th...

 

[Dezbelief]

Fair amount of 'upsettedness' in here.

Guess it's tough to be happy and tolerant of others

Correct, I'm not tolerant of disrespect.

As you determine

Wrong


PUBLIC LAW 105-225—AUG. 12, 1998 112 STAT. 1497
"(2) the term 'executive or military department' means
any agency listed under sections 101 and 102 of title 5, United
States Code; and
"(3) the term 'Member of Congress' means a Senator, a
Representative, a Delegate, or the Resident Commissioner from
Puerto Rico.
" When the flag is used to cover a casket, it should be
so placed that the union is at the head and over the left shoulder.
The flag should not be lowered into the grave or allowed to touch
the ground.
"(o) When the flag is suspended across a corridor or lobby
in a building with only one main entrance, it should be suspended
vertically with the union of the flag to the observer's left upon
entering. If the building has more than one main entrance, the
flag should be suspended vertically near the center of the corridor
or lobby with the union to the north, when entrances are to the
east and west or to the east when entrances are to the north
and south. If there are entrances in more than two directions,
the union should be to the east.
'*§8. Respect for flag
"No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States
of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing.
Regimental colors. State flags, and organization or institutional
flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.
"(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down,
except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger
to life or property.
"(b) The flag should never touch anjdihing beneath it, such
as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise.
"(c) The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but
always aloft and free.
"(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding,
or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up,
in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white,
and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the
middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's
desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in gen￾eral.
"(e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or
stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled,
or damaged in any way.
"(f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.
"(g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any
part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word,
figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.
"(h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving,
holding, carrying, or delivering anything.
"(i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes
in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such
articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or other￾wise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or an3^hing that is
designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should
not be fastened to a staff" or halyard from which the flag is flown.
"(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume
or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the
uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and
is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin
being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.
"(k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer
a ntting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified
way, preferably by burning.
^§9. Conduct during hoisting, lowering or passing of flag
"During the ceremony of hoisting or lowering the flag or when
the flag is passing in a parade or in review, all persons present
except those in uniform should face the flag and stand at attention
with the right hand over the heart. Those present in uniform
should render the military salute. When not in uniform, men should
remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the
left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Aliens should stand
at attention. The salute to the flag in a moving column shoidd
be rendered at the moment the flag passes.
**^ 10. Modification of rules and customs by President
"Any rule or custom pertaining to the display of the flag of
the United States of America, set forth herein, may be altered,
modified, or repealed, or additional rules with respect thereto may
be prescribed, by the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces
of the United States, whenever he deems it to be appropriate
or desirable; and any such alteration or additional rule shall be
set forth in a proclamation.".
(b) The analysis of chapter 1 of title 4, United States Code,
is amended by adding at the end the following new items:
"4. Pledge of allegiance to the flag; manner of delivery.
"5. Display and use of flag by civilians; codification of rules and customs; defini￾tion.
"6. Time and occasions for display.
"7. Position and manner of display.
"8. Respect for flag.
"9. Conduct during hoisting, lowering or passing of flag.
"10. Modification of rules and customs by President.".
SEC. 3. CONFORMING PROVISIONS.
Section 1332 of title 44, United States Code, is amended by
striking "the United Spanish War Veterans,".
SEC. 4. CONFORMING CROSS-REFERENCES.
(a) TITLE 10.—^Title 10, United States Code, is amended as
follows:
(1) In section 2249b, strike "the provisions of section 3
of the Joint Resolution of June 22, 1942 (56 Stat. 378, chapter
435; 36 U.S.C. 175), and any modification of such provisions
under section 8 of that Joint Resolution (36 U.S.C. 178)" and
substitute "section 7 of title 4 and any modification of section
7 under section 10 of title 4".
(2) Section 2543 is amended as follows:
(A) In subsection (e)(1), strike "subsection (bX2) of the
first section of the Presidential Inaugural Ceremonies Act
(36 U.S.C. 721)" and substitute "section 501 of title 36".
(B) In subsection (e)(2), strike "the proviso in section
9 of the Presidential Inaugural Ceremonies Act (36 U.S.C.
729)" and substitute "section 507 of title 36

I'm surprised you have time to post, instead of calling the authorities with every violation you see

I mean, as a good neighbor/citizen

Again, Happy 4th...

I prefer to educate, reporting anything to authorities is not my SOP.

Happy 4th!

 

[BobbyLayne]

@Keerock another suggestion for the queue

What's normal - do you set off fireworks at home during 4th of July Week?

kds are fine, nobody hurt, even the minivan was OK, police and fire department did not respond - happened in Nebraska

 

[belljr]

My grandfather had a 20 ft flag pole. He flew a flag 24/7. He had a light but it wouldn't reach high enough to light the flag. He fought in WW2 so I'll let him do what he wanted

 

[bigbottom]

Fair amount of 'upsettedness' in here.

Guess it's tough to be happy and tolerant of others

Correct, I'm not tolerant of disrespect.

As you determine

Wrong


PUBLIC LAW 105-225—AUG. 12, 1998 112 STAT. 1497
"(2) the term 'executive or military department' means
any agency listed under sections 101 and 102 of title 5, United
States Code; and
"(3) the term 'Member of Congress' means a Senator, a
Representative, a Delegate, or the Resident Commissioner from
Puerto Rico.
" When the flag is used to cover a casket, it should be
so placed that the union is at the head and over the left shoulder.
The flag should not be lowered into the grave or allowed to touch
the ground.
"(o) When the flag is suspended across a corridor or lobby
in a building with only one main entrance, it should be suspended
vertically with the union of the flag to the observer's left upon
entering. If the building has more than one main entrance, the
flag should be suspended vertically near the center of the corridor
or lobby with the union to the north, when entrances are to the
east and west or to the east when entrances are to the north
and south. If there are entrances in more than two directions,
the union should be to the east.
'*§8. Respect for flag
"No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States
of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing.
Regimental colors. State flags, and organization or institutional
flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.
"(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down,
except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger
to life or property.
"(b) The flag should never touch anjdihing beneath it, such
as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise.
"(c) The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but
always aloft and free.
"(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding,
or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up,
in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white,
and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the
middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's
desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in gen￾eral.
"(e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or
stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled,
or damaged in any way.
"(f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.
"(g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any
part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word,
figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.
"(h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving,
holding, carrying, or delivering anything.
"(i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes
in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such
articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or other￾wise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or an3^hing that is
designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should
not be fastened to a staff" or halyard from which the flag is flown.
"(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume
or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the
uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and
is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin
being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.
"(k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer
a ntting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified
way, preferably by burning.
^§9. Conduct during hoisting, lowering or passing of flag
"During the ceremony of hoisting or lowering the flag or when
the flag is passing in a parade or in review, all persons present
except those in uniform should face the flag and stand at attention
with the right hand over the heart. Those present in uniform
should render the military salute. When not in uniform, men should
remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the
left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Aliens should stand
at attention. The salute to the flag in a moving column shoidd
be rendered at the moment the flag passes.
**^ 10. Modification of rules and customs by President
"Any rule or custom pertaining to the display of the flag of
the United States of America, set forth herein, may be altered,
modified, or repealed, or additional rules with respect thereto may
be prescribed, by the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces
of the United States, whenever he deems it to be appropriate
or desirable; and any such alteration or additional rule shall be
set forth in a proclamation.".
(b) The analysis of chapter 1 of title 4, United States Code,
is amended by adding at the end the following new items:
"4. Pledge of allegiance to the flag; manner of delivery.
"5. Display and use of flag by civilians; codification of rules and customs; defini￾tion.
"6. Time and occasions for display.
"7. Position and manner of display.
"8. Respect for flag.
"9. Conduct during hoisting, lowering or passing of flag.
"10. Modification of rules and customs by President.".
SEC. 3. CONFORMING PROVISIONS.
Section 1332 of title 44, United States Code, is amended by
striking "the United Spanish War Veterans,".
SEC. 4. CONFORMING CROSS-REFERENCES.
(a) TITLE 10.—^Title 10, United States Code, is amended as
follows:
(1) In section 2249b, strike "the provisions of section 3
of the Joint Resolution of June 22, 1942 (56 Stat. 378, chapter
435; 36 U.S.C. 175), and any modification of such provisions
under section 8 of that Joint Resolution (36 U.S.C. 178)" and
substitute "section 7 of title 4 and any modification of section
7 under section 10 of title 4".
(2) Section 2543 is amended as follows:
(A) In subsection (e)(1), strike "subsection (bX2) of the
first section of the Presidential Inaugural Ceremonies Act
(36 U.S.C. 721)" and substitute "section 501 of title 36".
(B) In subsection (e)(2), strike "the proviso in section
9 of the Presidential Inaugural Ceremonies Act (36 U.S.C.
729)" and substitute "section 507 of title 36

I'm surprised you have time to post, instead of calling the authorities with every violation you see

I mean, as a good neighbor/citizen

Again, Happy 4th...

I prefer to educate, reporting anything to authorities is not my SOP.

Happy 4th!

As far as I’m aware there are no enforcement provisions for the Flag Code, so there is nothing to report and nowhere to report it to.

 

[Keerock]

@Keerock another suggestion for the queue

What's normal - do you set off fireworks at home during 4th of July Week?

kds are fine, nobody hurt, even the minivan was OK, police and fire department did not respond - happened in Nebraska

As I mentioned upthread, that’s next. Already on the site

Do you light fireworks on the 4th of July?

Visit the post for more.

whatsnormal.com

 

[Ilov80s]

No but I’ve never home 4th of July week/weekend. We always visit my in-laws since they live on a lake. The in-laws fly a flag and do general RWB decorations.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

I will bet my house that some nimrod will start shooting fireworks tonight in my area.

On Sunday we are going to a party thrown by my wife's side of the family, where her uncle will be that nimrod.

 

[Snoopy]

Fair amount of 'upsettedness' in here.

Guess it's tough to be happy and tolerant of others

Correct, I'm not tolerant of disrespect.

As you determine

Wrong


PUBLIC LAW 105-225—AUG. 12, 1998 112 STAT. 1497
"(2) the term 'executive or military department' means
any agency listed under sections 101 and 102 of title 5, United
States Code; and
"(3) the term 'Member of Congress' means a Senator, a
Representative, a Delegate, or the Resident Commissioner from
Puerto Rico.
" When the flag is used to cover a casket, it should be
so placed that the union is at the head and over the left shoulder.
The flag should not be lowered into the grave or allowed to touch
the ground.
"(o) When the flag is suspended across a corridor or lobby
in a building with only one main entrance, it should be suspended
vertically with the union of the flag to the observer's left upon
entering. If the building has more than one main entrance, the
flag should be suspended vertically near the center of the corridor
or lobby with the union to the north, when entrances are to the
east and west or to the east when entrances are to the north
and south. If there are entrances in more than two directions,
the union should be to the east.
'*§8. Respect for flag
"No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States
of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing.
Regimental colors. State flags, and organization or institutional
flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.
"(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down,
except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger
to life or property.
"(b) The flag should never touch anjdihing beneath it, such
as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise.
"(c) The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but
always aloft and free.
"(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding,
or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up,
in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white,
and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the
middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's
desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in gen￾eral.
"(e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or
stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled,
or damaged in any way.
"(f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.
"(g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any
part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word,
figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.
"(h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving,
holding, carrying, or delivering anything.
"(i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes
in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such
articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or other￾wise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or an3^hing that is
designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should
not be fastened to a staff" or halyard from which the flag is flown.
"(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume
or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the
uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and
is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin
being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.
"(k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer
a ntting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified
way, preferably by burning.
^§9. Conduct during hoisting, lowering or passing of flag
"During the ceremony of hoisting or lowering the flag or when
the flag is passing in a parade or in review, all persons present
except those in uniform should face the flag and stand at attention
with the right hand over the heart. Those present in uniform
should render the military salute. When not in uniform, men should
remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the
left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Aliens should stand
at attention. The salute to the flag in a moving column shoidd
be rendered at the moment the flag passes.
**^ 10. Modification of rules and customs by President
"Any rule or custom pertaining to the display of the flag of
the United States of America, set forth herein, may be altered,
modified, or repealed, or additional rules with respect thereto may
be prescribed, by the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces
of the United States, whenever he deems it to be appropriate
or desirable; and any such alteration or additional rule shall be
set forth in a proclamation.".
(b) The analysis of chapter 1 of title 4, United States Code,
is amended by adding at the end the following new items:
"4. Pledge of allegiance to the flag; manner of delivery.
"5. Display and use of flag by civilians; codification of rules and customs; defini￾tion.
"6. Time and occasions for display.
"7. Position and manner of display.
"8. Respect for flag.
"9. Conduct during hoisting, lowering or passing of flag.
"10. Modification of rules and customs by President.".
SEC. 3. CONFORMING PROVISIONS.
Section 1332 of title 44, United States Code, is amended by
striking "the United Spanish War Veterans,".
SEC. 4. CONFORMING CROSS-REFERENCES.
(a) TITLE 10.—^Title 10, United States Code, is amended as
follows:
(1) In section 2249b, strike "the provisions of section 3
of the Joint Resolution of June 22, 1942 (56 Stat. 378, chapter
435; 36 U.S.C. 175), and any modification of such provisions
under section 8 of that Joint Resolution (36 U.S.C. 178)" and
substitute "section 7 of title 4 and any modification of section
7 under section 10 of title 4".
(2) Section 2543 is amended as follows:
(A) In subsection (e)(1), strike "subsection (bX2) of the
first section of the Presidential Inaugural Ceremonies Act
(36 U.S.C. 721)" and substitute "section 501 of title 36".
(B) In subsection (e)(2), strike "the proviso in section
9 of the Presidential Inaugural Ceremonies Act (36 U.S.C.
729)" and substitute "section 507 of title 36

I'm surprised you have time to post, instead of calling the authorities with every violation you see

I mean, as a good neighbor/citizen

Again, Happy 4th...

I prefer to educate, reporting anything to authorities is not my SOP.

Happy 4th!

As far as I’m aware there are no enforcement provisions for the Flag Code, so there is nothing to report and nowhere to report it to.

After the Supreme Court ruled that burning the flag was constitutionally protected free speech, were the other flag laws considered moot?

 

[FairWarning]

I fly it every day.

 

[The General]

No.

But I do think this is cool. Should set this up at my house.

 

[-OZ-]

Fair amount of 'upsettedness' in here.

Guess it's tough to be happy and tolerant of others

Correct, I'm not tolerant of disrespect.

As you determine

Wrong


PUBLIC LAW 105-225—AUG. 12, 1998 112 STAT. 1497
"(2) the term 'executive or military department' means
any agency listed under sections 101 and 102 of title 5, United
States Code; and
"(3) the term 'Member of Congress' means a Senator, a
Representative, a Delegate, or the Resident Commissioner from
Puerto Rico.
" When the flag is used to cover a casket, it should be
so placed that the union is at the head and over the left shoulder.
The flag should not be lowered into the grave or allowed to touch
the ground.
"(o) When the flag is suspended across a corridor or lobby
in a building with only one main entrance, it should be suspended
vertically with the union of the flag to the observer's left upon
entering. If the building has more than one main entrance, the
flag should be suspended vertically near the center of the corridor
or lobby with the union to the north, when entrances are to the
east and west or to the east when entrances are to the north
and south. If there are entrances in more than two directions,
the union should be to the east.
'*§8. Respect for flag
"No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States
of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing.
Regimental colors. State flags, and organization or institutional
flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.
"(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down,
except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger
to life or property.
"(b) The flag should never touch anjdihing beneath it, such
as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise.
"(c) The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but
always aloft and free.
"(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding,
or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up,
in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white,
and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the
middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's
desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in gen￾eral.
"(e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or
stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled,
or damaged in any way.
"(f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.
"(g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any
part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word,
figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.
"(h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving,
holding, carrying, or delivering anything.
"(i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes
in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such
articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or other￾wise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or an3^hing that is
designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should
not be fastened to a staff" or halyard from which the flag is flown.
"(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume
or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the
uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and
is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin
being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.
"(k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer
a ntting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified
way, preferably by burning.
^§9. Conduct during hoisting, lowering or passing of flag
"During the ceremony of hoisting or lowering the flag or when
the flag is passing in a parade or in review, all persons present
except those in uniform should face the flag and stand at attention
with the right hand over the heart. Those present in uniform
should render the military salute. When not in uniform, men should
remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the
left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Aliens should stand
at attention. The salute to the flag in a moving column shoidd
be rendered at the moment the flag passes.
**^ 10. Modification of rules and customs by President
"Any rule or custom pertaining to the display of the flag of
the United States of America, set forth herein, may be altered,
modified, or repealed, or additional rules with respect thereto may
be prescribed, by the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces
of the United States, whenever he deems it to be appropriate
or desirable; and any such alteration or additional rule shall be
set forth in a proclamation.".
(b) The analysis of chapter 1 of title 4, United States Code,
is amended by adding at the end the following new items:
"4. Pledge of allegiance to the flag; manner of delivery.
"5. Display and use of flag by civilians; codification of rules and customs; defini￾tion.
"6. Time and occasions for display.
"7. Position and manner of display.
"8. Respect for flag.
"9. Conduct during hoisting, lowering or passing of flag.
"10. Modification of rules and customs by President.".
SEC. 3. CONFORMING PROVISIONS.
Section 1332 of title 44, United States Code, is amended by
striking "the United Spanish War Veterans,".
SEC. 4. CONFORMING CROSS-REFERENCES.
(a) TITLE 10.—^Title 10, United States Code, is amended as
follows:
(1) In section 2249b, strike "the provisions of section 3
of the Joint Resolution of June 22, 1942 (56 Stat. 378, chapter
435; 36 U.S.C. 175), and any modification of such provisions
under section 8 of that Joint Resolution (36 U.S.C. 178)" and
substitute "section 7 of title 4 and any modification of section
7 under section 10 of title 4".
(2) Section 2543 is amended as follows:
(A) In subsection (e)(1), strike "subsection (bX2) of the
first section of the Presidential Inaugural Ceremonies Act
(36 U.S.C. 721)" and substitute "section 501 of title 36".
(B) In subsection (e)(2), strike "the proviso in section
9 of the Presidential Inaugural Ceremonies Act (36 U.S.C.
729)" and substitute "section 507 of title 36

I'm surprised you have time to post, instead of calling the authorities with every violation you see

I mean, as a good neighbor/citizen

Again, Happy 4th...

I prefer to educate, reporting anything to authorities is not my SOP.

Happy 4th!

As far as I’m aware there are no enforcement provisions for the Flag Code, so there is nothing to report and nowhere to report it to.

After the Supreme Court ruled that burning the flag was constitutionally protected free speech, were the other flag laws considered moot?

They are just suggestions anyway.

 

[titusbramble]

If I was American I would, as I'm not it'd be a bit weird to do so

 

[3C's]

Fair amount of 'upsettedness' in here.

Guess it's tough to be happy and tolerant of others

Kinda why I don't fly one outside. Wouldn't want those who are "more American" than me to get upset if I'm not 100% on etiquette at every given moment.

Just look at these people and their flag code violation! https://res.cloudinary.com/nflleague/image/private/t_new_photo_album/league/qiyt7iqyxhjdqstc6jls.jpg

 

[Zow]

I have for every home I’ve owned (3) so I voted yes. However, flags are flown at my house on American holiday (like the 4th) not because I put them up there but because all three different realtors do this same “gift” where they pay a service to come by and put them up and take them down.

The above notwithstanding, I do think my wife has put a flag up all year round at our current and last house. But, if I were single, zero chance I’d have a flag up - not because I am UnAmerican or have philosophical opposition to flags, but because I know myself and it’s one of those things I’d never think about.

 

[Zow]

We have a bunny flag flying. I thought it was illegal to fly a US flag at night unless it has a spotlight or something? I know there are lots of rules, but don't know what they are.

Most people don't.....as a result, this is a touchy subject for me. You are correct. If flown at night, it must be lighted. You must take it down in the rain and you must not use it as decoration. There are a bunch of other things that are "proper" when dealing with flags that most people don't know, but these three things annoy the ever-loving **** out of me.

During the Trump administration* I had a buddy that would post every flag code violation from his ads and political speeches and stuff. I was surprised at the number of rules.

*Note: this post is intended to be indifferent to that political administration and is not to be taken as starting or promoting political discourse.

 

[The Commish]

We have a bunny flag flying. I thought it was illegal to fly a US flag at night unless it has a spotlight or something? I know there are lots of rules, but don't know what they are.

Most people don't.....as a result, this is a touchy subject for me. You are correct. If flown at night, it must be lighted. You must take it down in the rain and you must not use it as decoration. There are a bunch of other things that are "proper" when dealing with flags that most people don't know, but these three things annoy the ever-loving **** out of me.

During the Trump administration* I had a buddy that would post every flag code violation from his ads and political speeches and stuff. I was surprised at the number of rules.

*Note: this post is intended to be indifferent to that political administration and is not to be taken as starting or promoting political discourse.

There are several, but they arent difficult to follow IMO. Thats probably the biggest reason it bothers me when people dont.

 

[massraider]

My mom does not take down her flag every night, but this is her flag, so maybe the rules are relaxed for USA/Jesus flags.

 

[pollardsvision]

Yes—but not a typical size flag. I generally get a pack of small ones and will post them around the front yard

That's what we do. I don't trust my flag pole mount on a windy day, and haven't had time to fool with it.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Some kids organization here does a cool thing where for like a $45 donation or something they put a flag up in your yard and take it down for all the relevant holidays (4th of July, memorial day, etc).

Win/win.

 

[ChiefD]

My mom does not take down her flag every night, but this is her flag, so maybe the rules are relaxed for USA/Jesus flags.

That covers all the bases.