What's with all these "DRAFT STRATEGY" Questions? (1 Viewer)

[Varmint]

Seriously....it is a DRAFT for chrissake!!

..it is not rocket science....

..it is not even an auction...

..it is a DRAFT

TAKE THE BEST ATHELETE REMAINING ON THE BOARD!!

The excitement in a draft lies in the players that DON'T get taken when you think they should have been taken....NOT in the draft itself.

"STRATEGY" is that thing that others laugh at when a player is left for the next pick.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

I disagree 100%. Draft Day is my favorite day of the year.

 

[ceo3west]

I wish I had the last 10 seconds of my life back.

 

[BroadwayG]

 

[Varmint]

You can call it a "fishing trip"....but it is all true. You can try to dispute it...but its true !

Xmas used to be my favorite day of the year...until it I found out what it REALLY was...

Hey...fantasy football is great...

..its the DRAFT format that bores....

 

[matuski]

You can call it a "fishing trip"....but it is all true. You can try to dispute it...but its true !Xmas used to be my favorite day of the year...until it I found out what it REALLY was...Hey...fantasy football is great.....its the DRAFT format that bores....

you need better schtick to pull off this fishing trip.

 

[BroadwayG]

You can call it a "fishing trip"....but it is all true. You can try to dispute it...but its true !Xmas used to be my favorite day of the year...until it I found out what it REALLY was...Hey...fantasy football is great.....its the DRAFT format that bores....

You may as well say auction RuLz0000RZ!!!111!!! drafts DruLLLZ000000rz!!1

 

[snogger]

It must be Monday..

 

[barndog]

I need a better strategy for ignoring certain posts

 

[JohnnyU]

Ok, I'll try to defend his post a little bit, but not much. I do think too much thought goes into draft strategy. I would like to feel that I know enough about all players to be able to draft effectively, and I do. I have the titles to back that up. I don't need draft dominator or laptops at a draft. I show up with just a list (not a cheatsheet) that I use to mark players off as they are selected. Everything else lies between my ears.

 

[Pocket Joker]

I need a better strategy for ignoring certain posts

If you figure it out, make a post so I can too

 

[FantasyTrader]

Varmint,

FBG has people stopping into the forums from all walks of life. Most have not spent the off season having read a thread about Strategy from the 6th slot for the eleventh time. Try to cut people some slack. Besides, if your solution is TAKE THE BEST ATHELETE REMAINING ON THE BOARD!! then with all due respect you might be able to improve by taking some of those threads to heart.

 

[TBD]

Seriously....it is a DRAFT for chrissake!!..it is not rocket science......it is not even an auction.....it is a DRAFTTAKE THE BEST ATHELETE REMAINING ON THE BOARD!!The excitement in a draft lies in the players that DON'T get taken when you think they should have been taken....NOT in the draft itself."STRATEGY" is that thing that others laugh at when a player is left for the next pick.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Seriously....it is a DRAFT for chrissake!!..it is not rocket science......it is not even an auction.....it is a DRAFTTAKE THE BEST ATHELETE REMAINING ON THE BOARD!!The excitement in a draft lies in the players that DON'T get taken when you think they should have been taken....NOT in the draft itself."STRATEGY" is that thing that others laugh at when a player is left for the next pick.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

wtf is this all about?

 

[BigRed]

I wish I had the last 10 seconds of my life back.

shall we take turns kicking each other for being stupid enough to read the OP

 

[Anthony Borbely]

You can call it a "fishing trip"....but it is all true. You can try to dispute it...but its true !Xmas used to be my favorite day of the year...until it I found out what it REALLY was...Hey...fantasy football is great.....its the DRAFT format that bores....

you need better schtick to pull off this fishing trip.

 

[Varmint]

Ok, I'll try to defend his post a little bit, but not much. I do think too much thought goes into draft strategy. I would like to feel that I know enough about all players to be able to draft effectively, and I do. I have the titles to back that up. I don't need draft dominator or laptops at a draft. I show up with just a list (not a cheatsheet) that I use to mark players off as they are selected. Everything else lies between my ears.

...which pretty much defines the draft format in a nutshell...Show up with a list of players...just so you don't slow down the already slow precedings by claiming a player who's already been claimed...mark off those players as they get chosen....wait 20-30 minutes between each pick...then, in your 15 seconds glory...shout out a name that over half the room expected you to shout out!!

You'll then pause a few seconds for the "nice pick" or the "is he STILL playing" banter...then, move along....

I am sure that those who are still enamoured by the draft format can tell me just how difficult it is to field a team using the exact same information that everyone else is using...but I ain't buying it.

The trouble is....I've done it....

I've done it MANY times and I'm telling you...

THERE is NO STRATEGY in PICKING players.....

The "STRATEGY" you all talk about is in the making fun of the player who WASN'T picked when you thought he'd be picked....or when all the cheatsheets said he should have been picked.

 

[Hugonel]

The claim that there is no strategy in drafting only means you do not fully grasp the notion of value, ADP and individual drafting patterns of others in your league.

That said, I am not critical if you don't spend hours developing a draft strategy. But to dismiss others that do as wasting their time (i.e., claiming it will not help build a better team than they'd otherwise have) is not accurate.

 

[tomarken]

....wait 20-30 minutes between each pick...

No wonder you don't like the draft.

 

[hephner]

Ok, I'll try to defend his post a little bit, but not much. I do think too much thought goes into draft strategy. I would like to feel that I know enough about all players to be able to draft effectively, and I do. I have the titles to back that up. I don't need draft dominator or laptops at a draft. I show up with just a list (not a cheatsheet) that I use to mark players off as they are selected. Everything else lies between my ears.

...which pretty much defines the draft format in a nutshell...Show up with a list of players...just so you don't slow down the already slow precedings by claiming a player who's already been claimed...mark off those players as they get chosen....wait 20-30 minutes between each pick...then, in your 15 seconds glory...shout out a name that over half the room expected you to shout out!!

You'll then pause a few seconds for the "nice pick" or the "is he STILL playing" banter...then, move along....

I am sure that those who are still enamoured by the draft format can tell me just how difficult it is to field a team using the exact same information that everyone else is using...but I ain't buying it.

The trouble is....I've done it....

I've done it MANY times and I'm telling you...

THERE is NO STRATEGY in PICKING players.....

The "STRATEGY" you all talk about is in the making fun of the player who WASN'T picked when you thought he'd be picked....or when all the cheatsheets said he should have been picked.

So I take it you probably don't even watch the actual games either, cause you already know what's going to happen.

 

[BroadwayG]

There's no strategy in an auction draft either. You show up with a list of players and values and follow the chart.

 

[ltaylor]

Ok, I'll try to defend his post a little bit, but not much. I do think too much thought goes into draft strategy. I would like to feel that I know enough about all players to be able to draft effectively, and I do. I have the titles to back that up. I don't need draft dominator or laptops at a draft. I show up with just a list (not a cheatsheet) that I use to mark players off as they are selected. Everything else lies between my ears.

I use DD and PD as tools, but have always drafted 99% from pure instinct and a huge bucket of information in my head. I won fantasy leagues year after year before I ever paid for a subscription and all I did was read the message board. So I do vaguely understand what I think Varmint is trying to say. All this overanalyzation of drafting down to every last detail can take the fun out of it. The most important thing in drafing is having an solid overall understanding of as many NFL players as possible and having a "scout's" eye for talent. I know many people that are "robots" that study FF info like crazy, but they still finish in the middle of the pack.

 

[hephner]

Ok, I'll try to defend his post a little bit, but not much. I do think too much thought goes into draft strategy. I would like to feel that I know enough about all players to be able to draft effectively, and I do. I have the titles to back that up. I don't need draft dominator or laptops at a draft. I show up with just a list (not a cheatsheet) that I use to mark players off as they are selected. Everything else lies between my ears.

I use DD and PD as tools, but have always drafted 99% from pure instinct and a huge bucket of information in my head. I won fantasy leagues year after year before I ever paid for a subscription and all I did was read the message board. So I do vaguely understand what I think Varmint is trying to say. All this overanalyzation of drafting down to every last detail can take the fun out of it. The most important thing in drafing is having an solid overall understanding of as many NFL players as possible and having a "scout's" eye for talent. I know many people that are "robots" that study FF info like crazy, but they still finish in the middle of the pack.

Now this is a valid point, and far more effective in getting it across than Varmint's contemptuous, misanthropic diatribe.

 

[Irish]

Ok, I'll try to defend his post a little bit, but not much. I do think too much thought goes into draft strategy. I would like to feel that I know enough about all players to be able to draft effectively, and I do. I have the titles to back that up. I don't need draft dominator or laptops at a draft. I show up with just a list (not a cheatsheet) that I use to mark players off as they are selected. Everything else lies between my ears.

So what you are saying is that when it comes to your pick.......:chirp....chirp....chirp: j/k

 

[Varmint]

There's no strategy in an auction draft either. You show up with a list of players and values and follow the chart.

The difference being...I've done both.It's more than obvious that you've never participated in an auction and if you claim that you have...I'll say you're full of ####.

 

[BroadwayG]

There's no strategy in an auction draft either. You show up with a list of players and values and follow the chart.

The difference being...I've done both.It's more than obvious that you've never participated in an auction and if you say you have...you're a liar.

I have been doing auction leagues for the past 8 years.The first time it appears vastly different, but after a while you realize it's the same thing. You go by your sheet and adjust for variances from your expectations. Sorry to burst your bubble, but you are overrating the strategy involved in an auction league.You apparently are still in the Honeymoon Stage with your auction draft relationship.

 

[Gonzo Stokes]

TAKE THE BEST ATHELETE REMAINING ON THE BOARD!!

What do I do if my league requires a kicker?

 

[tomarken]

There's no strategy in an auction draft either. You show up with a list of players and values and follow the chart.

The difference being...I've done both.It's more than obvious that you've never participated in an auction and if you say you have...you're a liar.

I could just as easily come to the conclusion that you've never participated in a real draft, based on your earlier comments. If you don't like drafts, fine, whatever. Do whatever you want. But to start a thread like this, on a message board devoted to discussing fantasy football strategy, is ridiculous - what is obvious is that you're either knowingly fishing, or you unknowingly asked a really stupid question (and yes, there is such a thing). Either way, you've already garnered more responses than this thread deserves. :lock:

 

[Mordraken]

There's no strategy in an auction draft either. You show up with a list of players and values and follow the chart.

The difference being...I've done both.It's more than obvious that you've never participated in an auction and if you claim that you have...I'll say you're a liar.

I think you missed the sarcasm... .I think you're right for the first few rounds of the draft, but as people build up their teams, then strategy creeps in. I don't think there's much strategy in the first 2-3 rounds since generally people are drafting the best players available (not the best athletes). The only strategy in the beginning IMO is whether to go RB/WR/RB or WR/WR/RB (Peyton Manning excepted). Strategy comes in around round 5+ where you start to see trends on teams. Like for example there are only 3 teams without QBs (yours being one of them) and there is one more starting RB left on the board while you have 3 RBs already (the remaining ones being either high-potential backups or players on the wrong side of a platoon. Your analysis would say draft the QB since they're the best player (and you don't have one) and skip the RB, but the drop off at RB is significant after this pick, and you can guarantee you won't get a chance to pick him next round... That is strategy in a draft, and while I'd never go back to a draft after doing auctions for the past decade, I'd say drafts do have an element of strategy.

 

[Varmint]

There's no strategy in an auction draft either. You show up with a list of players and values and follow the chart.

The difference being...I've done both.It's more than obvious that you've never participated in an auction and if you say you have...you're a liar.

I have been doing auction leagues for the past 8 years.The first time it appears vastly different, but after a while you realize it's the same thing. You go by your sheet and adjust for variances from your expectations. Sorry to burst your bubble, but you are overrating the strategy involved in an auction league.

You're full of ####...First of all...anyone who has ever done an auction more than once will tell you that valuing the players isn't nearly as important as valuing the position. After you've done that, you bid on a player who's talents fit that budget (exceeds it if possible).

Also, anyone who has done even a single auction will tell you that there is no comparison.

The draft format is custom made for players who depend on someone else's stupidity. It only takes ONE idiot (or someone with a different "strategy") to leave some prime meat for the next one in line (you) to pick up. If some idiot stops bidding on a piece of prime meat in an auction and you've still got a dozen or so more guys still bidding....you cannot depend on the stupidity of others in an auction like you can (and do) the draft...

Thus....its appeal and once you participated in one....you'll see how absolutely lame the draft format is.

Try it before you claim you've participated in one for the past 8 years.

 

[JohnnyU]

There's no strategy in an auction draft either. You show up with a list of players and values and follow the chart.

The difference being...I've done both.It's more than obvious that you've never participated in an auction and if you say you have...you're a liar.

I have been doing auction leagues for the past 8 years.The first time it appears vastly different, but after a while you realize it's the same thing. You go by your sheet and adjust for variances from your expectations. Sorry to burst your bubble, but you are overrating the strategy involved in an auction league.

You're full of ####...First of all...anyone who has ever done an auction more than once will tell you that valuing the players isn't nearly as important as valuing the position. After you've done that, you bid on a player who fits that budget (exceeds it if possible).

Also, anyone who has done even a single auction will tell you that there is no comparison.

The draft format is custom made for players who depend on someone else's stupidity. It only takes ONE idiot (or someone with a different "strategy") to leave some prime meat for the next one in line (you) to pick up. If some idiot stops bidding on a piece of prime meat in an auction and you've still got a dozen or so more guys still bidding....you cannot depend on the stupidity of others in an auction like you can (and do) the draft...

Thus....its appeal and once you participated in one....you'll see how absolutely lame the draft format is.

Try it before you claim you've participated in one for the past 8 years.

I think your posts would have more credibility if you weren't so abrasive with your delivery. May I suggest the book Crucial Conversations?

 

[BroadwayG]

There's no strategy in an auction draft either. You show up with a list of players and values and follow the chart.

The difference being...I've done both.It's more than obvious that you've never participated in an auction and if you say you have...you're a liar.

I have been doing auction leagues for the past 8 years.The first time it appears vastly different, but after a while you realize it's the same thing. You go by your sheet and adjust for variances from your expectations. Sorry to burst your bubble, but you are overrating the strategy involved in an auction league.

You're full of ####...First of all...anyone who has ever done an auction more than once will tell you that valuing the players isn't nearly as important as valuing the position. After you've done that, you bid on a player who fits that budget (exceeds it if possible).

Also, anyone who has done even a single auction will tell you that there is no comparison.

The draft format is custom made for players who depend on someone else's stupidity. It only takes ONE idiot (or someone with a different "strategy") to leave some prime meat for the next one in line (you) to pick up. If some idiot stops bidding on a piece of prime meat in an auction and you've still got a dozen or so more guys still bidding....you cannot depend on the stupidity of others in an auction like you can (and do) the draft...

Thus....its appeal and once you participated in one....you'll see how absolutely lame the draft format is.

Try it before you claim you've participated in one for the past 8 years.

Give me a holla after your 15th auction draft when everything becomes second nature to you and you have taken off your blinders. Then we can have an adult conversation.

 

[Joe Bryant]

There's no strategy in an auction draft either. You show up with a list of players and values and follow the chart.

The difference being...I've done both.It's more than obvious that you've never participated in an auction and if you say you have...you're a liar.

I have been doing auction leagues for the past 8 years.The first time it appears vastly different, but after a while you realize it's the same thing. You go by your sheet and adjust for variances from your expectations. Sorry to burst your bubble, but you are overrating the strategy involved in an auction league.

You're full of ####...

Don't do this again.TIA.J

 

[Chaka]

There's no strategy in an auction draft either. You show up with a list of players and values and follow the chart.

The difference being...I've done both.It's more than obvious that you've never participated in an auction and if you claim that you have...I'll say you're full of ####.

I love posts like this. As if your limited first hand experience with auctions and drafts is enough to qualitatively state that all auctions are superior to all drafts.This little doggie ain't got no teeth.ETA: Now if this were a rant against all the silly "Dreaded draft spot strategy" I would be on board.

 

[Gonzo Stokes]

Assuming that an owner who has a different player valuation than you is stupid is an excellent way to get to get picked apart in the later rounds of a draft.

 

[Varmint]

There's no strategy in an auction draft either. You show up with a list of players and values and follow the chart.

The difference being...I've done both.It's more than obvious that you've never participated in an auction and if you say you have...you're a liar.

I have been doing auction leagues for the past 8 years.The first time it appears vastly different, but after a while you realize it's the same thing. You go by your sheet and adjust for variances from your expectations. Sorry to burst your bubble, but you are overrating the strategy involved in an auction league.

You're full of ####...First of all...anyone who has ever done an auction more than once will tell you that valuing the players isn't nearly as important as valuing the position. After you've done that, you bid on a player who fits that budget (exceeds it if possible).

Also, anyone who has done even a single auction will tell you that there is no comparison.

The draft format is custom made for players who depend on someone else's stupidity. It only takes ONE idiot (or someone with a different "strategy") to leave some prime meat for the next one in line (you) to pick up. If some idiot stops bidding on a piece of prime meat in an auction and you've still got a dozen or so more guys still bidding....you cannot depend on the stupidity of others in an auction like you can (and do) the draft...

Thus....its appeal and once you participated in one....you'll see how absolutely lame the draft format is.

Try it before you claim you've participated in one for the past 8 years.

Give me a holla after your 15th auction draft when everything becomes second nature to you and you have taken off your blinders. Then we can have an adult conversation.

Yeah..sure...fifteen auctions.It took one auction to open my eyes to the total boredom of the draft format....

I've done drafts with the TV on....with a book open....and helpin w/ my kid's homework....

15 minutes of scratching names waiting for my 15 seconds in the spotlight....

I could practically script the first 40+ picks of a draft. The order may not be perfect but when I sit down with the #10 pick, I can just about name nine players I don't have a shot at......

Oh HEY...but if I'm off by only ONE player....I GOT A STEAL!!!

In an auction...I want a player...I can have him...just bid another buck.

Yeah...the fantasy football draft....fantasy football on training wheels....

 

[BroadwayG]

What's your point? Where's the huge strategy involved in an auction? You haven't mentioned a lick of auction strategy in any of your rants. That'll be because you'll have the exact same strategy in a regular draft.

If I want LT in a draft, I'll package some picks together to get the 1.01. Yeah, I'll give up some depth elsewhere to do it. This is exactly what goes on in an auction. If I want LT & SJ I'll package even more picks for 1.01 and 1.02.

"Hey, I don't have a TE yet and the pickings are getting slim. Should I overpay(reach, reserve funds, etc.) for my next ranked TE, or continue to punt the position?" Am I referring to an auction or draft? The answer is yes.

Can you, just for one post, actually think for a second and try to convince me that there's some great strategy for an auction draft?

 

[AnonymousBob]

There is no difficulty in taking the best player available. The hard part is determining who the best player available is.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

So, I guess I'm an idiot then because I enjoy the draft? Everything about it. Everything that he has complained about I enjoy. Picking 10th, 1st, 3rd, don't matter. Knowing that I can't have certain players is part of the fun.

I'm sure auctions are fun too. I've never done one so I won't comment on it. Just seems kind of silly to rip on my fun for really no reason. Don't like the draft, don't play in a draft league.

Oh, and I like the draft strategy threads. If you don't, don't read them. Simple as that.

 

[BroadwayG]

So, I guess I'm an idiot then because I enjoy the draft? Everything about it. Everything that he has complained about I enjoy. Picking 10th, 1st, 3rd, don't matter. Knowing that I can't have certain players is part of the fun.I'm sure auctions are fun too. I've never done one so I won't comment on it. Just seems kind of silly to rip on my fun for really no reason. Don't like the draft, don't play in a draft league.Oh, and I like the draft strategy threads. If you don't, don't read them. Simple as that.

The only thing you're missing is not having the luxury of getting up to grab a beer or take a leak when you're not on the clock.

 

[Sleeper 43]

It would seem simple to me too if I thought every fantasy owner used the same cheat sheet and their were only 1-2 spot deviations throughout the draft as you claim. Unfortunatley its not like that in real life.

 

[tomarken]

<--- to the last five posts.

Unfortunately, Varmint apparently has only ever drafted with five other friends, who had a 30-minute pick timer, and were all using a cheatsheet out of the same magazine. Those of us who enjoy the draft format (which does not preclude us from also enjoying the auction format, BTW) should pay this nonsense no heed.

 

[joey]

Can we please let this thread die its rightful death?

Nothing of value in here (including this post of mine that is unfortunately bumping this

thread back to the top). Let's let this thread fall off the 1st page and into the depths

where it belongs...

 

[BroadwayG]

Here's one thing that really sucks about auctions: All the morons that show up unprepared.

You know the ones, the guys strutting in carrying a single rag and a pen. In a draft, these guys are at a huge disadvantage. In an auction, all they have to do is ride the coattails of the well-prepared.

"Oh, BroadwayG looks like he has his stuff together. I'll just keep bidding on whoever he does."

 

[Chaka]

There is no difficulty in taking the best player available. The hard part is determining who the best player available is.

This applies to every draft & auction format.

 

[PumpusX]

Seriously....it is a DRAFT for chrissake!!..it is not rocket science......it is not even an auction.....it is a DRAFTTAKE THE BEST ATHELETE REMAINING ON THE BOARD!!The excitement in a draft lies in the players that DON'T get taken when you think they should have been taken....NOT in the draft itself."STRATEGY" is that thing that others laugh at when a player is left for the next pick.

So go with Michael Vick with the 10th pick?