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[Wheelhouse]

Wheelhouse - Interesting Stats, Info and Tidbits

Thru Week 4

1. Who are the goal-line greats and goats? The Raiders have only had 2 plays all season inside the opponent's 5-yard line. That's not too hard to believe is it?

How about this though?

The Giants also have only had 2 plays inside the 5-yard line. Granted, they have only played 3 games, but still. Wow. This is a Giants team that has scored 81 points in 3 games.

But wait a minute - no way!

The Bengals, a team that has played 4 games so far, have only had 3 plays inside the 5-yard line.

Now for the stunner...

The 49ers are averaging 5 plays inside the 5-yard line PER GAME!



2. In McNair we trust - The Ravens have had 13 plays inside the 5-yard line. 8 of those 13 plays were passes. Believe it or not, they are not the highest percentage of goal-line passes. The Raiders, who have a total of 2 plays inside the 5, passed on both of those plays. One of those passes was a TD pass (Randy Moss).

3. So who leads the NFL in goal-line rushing TD's? - The Colts have 6 goal line rushing TD's, The Jets have 5 and the 49ers have 4. Surprised about that aren't ya?

4. How about the leaders in passing TD inside the 5? - Houston 4, Baltimore 4, Cleveland 3.

5. No rushing TD's yet - The only team without a rushing TD is of course the Raiders Packers

6. Are the Chargers running down hill? 145 of 215 plays have been running plays for San Diego. 67%

7. The only team without an offensive interception? - ST. Louis, Marc Bulger.



8. Assorted Michael Vick stats and his lack of passing prowress

* Eli Manning in 3 games, compared to Vick's 4 games has 30 more completions.

* Drew Brees, Brett Favre and Jon Kitna have more completions than Vick has attempts

* The pass challenged Chargers (Phillip Rivers) have more completions than Vick - And oh yeah, SD has only played 3 games

* Damon Huard, who has played in only 2.5 games has more completions than Vick

9. Did anyone say Martz-Ball? 60 of Detroit's 74 first downs have come via the pass.



10. The best and worst of offensive penalties

Total offensive penalties by team - Because we all know penalties negate yardage.

38 MIN

34 WAS

32 BUF

31 DET, ARI

29 PHI, STL

6 PIT

11 DEN

12 CLE, KC

17 TB, NO

19 OAK

10. Could it come back to haunt them? New England is 3 for 6 on FG's this season so far. Will the loss of Vinatieri hurt them? Stay tuned.

11. TD's allowed by defense

Rushing TD allowed

0 SD

0 DEN

1 CHI

1 BAL

1 ATL

1 DET

1 MIA

8 NYJ

8 TEN

7 CIN

5 SF

5 GB

5 HOU

5 STL

5 ARI

Receiving TD's allowed

0 CHI

0 ATL

0 KC

1 DEN

2 DAL

2 BAL

2 MIN

10 DET

8 SF

8 HOU

8 NYG

8 WAS

7 GB

7 IND

12. Down goes Daunte - Daunte Culpepper has been sacked 6 more times than the next closest player.

Been sacked min 60 attempts

21 Culpepper

15 Carr

15 Palmer

14 Kitna

14 Frye

13 Hasselbeck

1 Rivers

3 Bledsoe

3 Grossman

4 Collins

4 Plummer

4 Simms

4 Brady

5 Favre

13. Just thought I'd throw this out to fans of Steven Jackson...

yards per CATCH

10.9 S. Jackson

10.9 B. Westbrook

*both have 15 recs

20+ yard receiving plays

3 Jackson

2 Westbrook

14. Changing of the guard coming? Corey Dillon vs. Lawrence Maroney

YPC

4.9 Maroney

4.1 Dillon

Att/gm

15.0 Maroney

14.5 Dillon

Rush yards/gm

Maroney 73.5

Dillon 59.0

20+ yard runs

4 Maroney

0 Dillon

15. Do you think Muhammad likes Rex Grossman?

2005 Muhsin Muhammad -- 136 targets, 47.1% catch rate (64 recs)

2006 Muhsin Muhammad -- 34 targets, 70.6% catch rate (24 recs)

16. Are you liking Chris Chambers? For those of you who did their research and noticed Chris Chambers and his poor catch rate % - Kudos to you Several people mentioned this, but Maurile's thread back in August has some good info about it.

Chris Chambers has a 50.4 catch rate% in his career. In 2005 it was 48.4%. In 2006 it's 41.0%

17. WR's with 20+ yard receptions (leaders)

8 Wayne

7 Bryant, Stallworth, Bruce

6 Berrian, Muhammad, Burress, S. Moss, Colston, Jennings, Reggie Brown, A. Johnson, Driver, Roy Williams

5 B. Edwards, T. Taylor, Coles, Harrison

18. WR's with 40+ yard receptions (leaders)

4 Berrian

2 Bryant, A. Johnson, Driver, S. Moss, Coles, Glenn, B. Edwards, D. Jackson, B. Johnson, Lelie

19. Target Leaders - week 4 players with 10+ targets (consecutive weeks with 10+ in parenthesis)

14 Roy Williams (2)

14 C. Johnson

13 A. Johnson (2)

13 S. Smith (2)

12 Holt (4)

12 Driver

12 Bruce

10 Chambers

10 Mason

10 Jennings

10 Furrey

20. Targets going further - Leaders in games with 10+ targets

4 Holt

3 Harrison (missed 4 by 2 targets)

3 Coles (missed 4 by 1 target)

3 Driver (missed 4 by 1 target)

2 Roy Williams

2 Chambers

2 A. Johnson

2 Boldin

2 Fitzgerald

2 Bennett

2 Mason

2 C. Johnson

2 Bruce

2 Jennings

1 Muhammad

1 Reg. Williams

1 Colston

1 D. Jackson

1 Heap (TE)

1 Watson (TE)

1 Crumpler (TE)

1 Gonzalez (TE)

1 E. Johnson (TE)

1 LJ Smith (TE)

1 Evans

1 Berrian

1 Furrey

1 Cotchery

1 Bush (RB)

1 A. Green (RB)

1 Barber (RB)

1 Owens

1 Galloway

1 Houshmandzadeh

1 M. Jones

1 Stallworth

1 R. Brown

1 Ward

1 Toomer

1 Ma. Clayton

1 C. Henry

1 D. Carter

1 Gabriel

21. Making the most of their chances - Catch rate % Leaders min 20 targets

Player: Recs, Targets, Percentage

80% or above

70% or above

60% or above

Moulds 18, 21, 85.7%

Toomer 20, 25, 80.0%

A. Johnson 30, 38, 78.9%

Furrey 22, 31, 71.0%

S. Moss 17, 24, 70.8%

Muhammad 24, 34, 70.6%

Welker 18, 26, 69.2%

Engram 18, 26, 69.2%

Keyshawn, 22, 32, 68.8%

D. Jackson 22, 32, 68.8%

Coles 30, 44, 68.2%

Cotchery 18, 27, 66.7%

Boldin 24, 37, 64.9%

Reg. Williams 21, 33, 63.6%

S. Smith 17, 27, 63.0%

 

[Englishteacher]

 

[SuperJohn96]

12. Down goes Daunte - Daunte Culpepper has been sacked 6 times more than the next closest player.Been sacked min 60 attempts21 Culpepper15 Carr

Arg...my 2 QBs....

 

[Wreckincrew]

Excellent work as always Wheelhouse.

 

[AcerFC]

I have to say that I look forward to this every week. Well done and big ups to you for all the time and effort. Please keep em coming

 

[Cowboys#1]

very interesting stats on s-jax and westy..

also vick is an :X passer..

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

One of my favorite reads week in, week out. Thanks for all the time you put into this, WH.

15. Do you think Muhammad likes Rex Grossman? 2005 Muhsin Muhammad -- 136 targets, 47.1% catch rate (64 recs)2006 Muhsin Muhammad -- 34 targets, 70.6% catch rate (24 recs)

One more thing to add here - playing without a broken hand has to be helping Muhammad a lot. He's a bonafide WR2 this year.

 

[Capt Hook]

always a good read

 

[H.K.]

I wonder how many people besides me print this thing out before looking at it so they can save it for reading on the ?

 

[Urinal Mint]

I noticed the Chambers catch % stat independently when I was doing my homework this preseason and attributed it more to poor QB play than anything.

The question now is: does it still stand to reason with Culpepper looking more like Byron Leftwich than Donovan McNabb?

 

[jesse]

That was fun

 

[spaml0af]

I noticed the Chambers catch % stat independently when I was doing my homework this preseason and attributed it more to poor QB play than anything.The question now is: does it still stand to reason with Culpepper looking more like Byron Leftwich than Donovan McNabb?

Both...but I think Chambers is the more guilty of the two. That failed catch in the end zone against the Steelers back during the first week, where the ball went through his hands and hit him in the head sums it up.

 

[DaWidowMaker]

Wheelhouse you da man....you should charge for this info..errrr nevermind

 

[stevegamer]

I noticed the Chambers catch % stat independently when I was doing my homework this preseason and attributed it more to poor QB play than anything.The question now is: does it still stand to reason with Culpepper looking more like Byron Leftwich than Donovan McNabb?

I noticed Muhammad's catch % last season being an outlier, and expected things to improve - so i took him in all leagues. He's not likely to catch 70% the whole season, but Grossman>>>>Orton.

 

[sweetness34]

Wheelhouse, great stuff as always.

You might correct the sack stats to reflect "6 more times" as opposed to "6 times more."

Sorry, not trying to nit-pick. Love this every week!

 

[-OZ-]

Rushing TD allowed

0 DEN

1 CHI

1 ATL

Receiving TD's allowed

0 CHI

0 ATL

1 DEN

Only 1 TD allowed by each of these D's

 

[The Shizzle]

Thank you for the effort, truly an enjoyable read.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Thanks, and a well deserved bump!

 

[SSOG]

I noticed the Chambers catch % stat independently when I was doing my homework this preseason and attributed it more to poor QB play than anything.The question now is: does it still stand to reason with Culpepper looking more like Byron Leftwich than Donovan McNabb?

My response to that right now is the same as my response to that in the offseason...If the bad QB play is pulling Chambers down so much, how do you explain Wes Welker? Last season, Chambers had a 49% catch rate to Welker's 56%. This season, Chambers has a 41% compared to Welker's 69%. They're playing with the exact same QBs here. Sure, Chambers is facing some tougher coverages, but does that account for a difference of THIRTY PERCENT here?Besides, Gus Frerotte is no scrub. Lots of players have posted very solid catch% stats with Frerotte at the helm, including but not limited to Rod Smith, Ed McCaffrey, and Randy Moss. As far as I'm concerned, stop looking at his QBs... the blame has to fall squarely on Chris Chambers at this point. I live in Florida and all my friends are Dolphins fans, so I see a lot of Miami games with them, and we've been saying for years that nobody realizes it because all they ever see are the highlight catches on SportsCenter, but Chris Chambers has some pretty bad hands. Reminds me a lot of Brandon Lloyd in that people saw all of the ridiculous grabs, but never saw any of the gimme passes that he drops.

 

[shadow2k]

I noticed the Chambers catch % stat independently when I was doing my homework this preseason and attributed it more to poor QB play than anything.The question now is: does it still stand to reason with Culpepper looking more like Byron Leftwich than Donovan McNabb?

Leftwich has a higher completion % than McNabb so far this year. Leftwich also has a higher career completion %. I'd pick a different couple of guys to pin as your high and low water marks.Anyway, it's a pointless thing to debate. It doesn't matter who's fault it is. The only way it can get any worse is if Chambers stops getting trash time TD's. So just hope Miami keeps losing, and somehow, that O-line gets its crap together and Daunte doesn't get sacked 100 times this year (I think he's on pace for 80 sacks!). Hell, just look at Chambers ypc average, and you can see it's not all his fault.

 

[JMJ]

Catch percentages:Coles 30, 44, 68.2%Cotchery 18, 27, 66.7%

Pennington is back in full force! Great job as always Wheelhouse.

 

[Wheelhouse]

Thank you all. I appreciate all the nice comments.

 

[Keysersoze666]

Well done Wheelhouse, you rock!

BTW, how's last year's New Baby doing? What jersey size does he wear (I think it was a boy?) and what position are you grooming him for? We need an update!

 

[Urinal Mint]

I never got the chance to watch Chambers play much, so this season I've scrutinized him a bit more and have come to the same conclusion that you have. It's a shame, too, because he has the talent to dominate.

I noticed the Chambers catch % stat independently when I was doing my homework this preseason and attributed it more to poor QB play than anything.The question now is: does it still stand to reason with Culpepper looking more like Byron Leftwich than Donovan McNabb?

My response to that right now is the same as my response to that in the offseason...If the bad QB play is pulling Chambers down so much, how do you explain Wes Welker? Last season, Chambers had a 49% catch rate to Welker's 56%. This season, Chambers has a 41% compared to Welker's 69%. They're playing with the exact same QBs here. Sure, Chambers is facing some tougher coverages, but does that account for a difference of THIRTY PERCENT here?Besides, Gus Frerotte is no scrub. Lots of players have posted very solid catch% stats with Frerotte at the helm, including but not limited to Rod Smith, Ed McCaffrey, and Randy Moss. As far as I'm concerned, stop looking at his QBs... the blame has to fall squarely on Chris Chambers at this point. I live in Florida and all my friends are Dolphins fans, so I see a lot of Miami games with them, and we've been saying for years that nobody realizes it because all they ever see are the highlight catches on SportsCenter, but Chris Chambers has some pretty bad hands. Reminds me a lot of Brandon Lloyd in that people saw all of the ridiculous grabs, but never saw any of the gimme passes that he drops.

 

[pizzatyme]

Wheel, I am amazed at the stuff you pull! Kudos to you for going to the effort.

FBG, I highly recommend you lock up Wheel and his subscription for years to come. Many subscribers come in here weekly, just to read this thread!

 

[Mapmaker]

Wheels ... NOBODY does it better !

not here .... not ANYWHERE

you truely are a HUGE FBG resource!

KUDOS!

 

[Wheelhouse]

Well done Wheelhouse, you rock!BTW, how's last year's New Baby doing? What jersey size does he wear (I think it was a boy?) and what position are you grooming him for? We need an update!

Thanks for asking. The new baby's 1st birthday is coming up October 23rd. I can't believe it's been nearly a year since his birth. I have a great picture of him in my profile, but photobucket.com is AWOL right now. ?!? I'm going to have to update with a new pic anyway.

 

[SSOG]

I never got the chance to watch Chambers play much, so this season I've scrutinized him a bit more and have come to the same conclusion that you have. It's a shame, too, because he has the talent to dominate.

I noticed the Chambers catch % stat independently when I was doing my homework this preseason and attributed it more to poor QB play than anything.The question now is: does it still stand to reason with Culpepper looking more like Byron Leftwich than Donovan McNabb?

My response to that right now is the same as my response to that in the offseason...If the bad QB play is pulling Chambers down so much, how do you explain Wes Welker? Last season, Chambers had a 49% catch rate to Welker's 56%. This season, Chambers has a 41% compared to Welker's 69%. They're playing with the exact same QBs here. Sure, Chambers is facing some tougher coverages, but does that account for a difference of THIRTY PERCENT here?Besides, Gus Frerotte is no scrub. Lots of players have posted very solid catch% stats with Frerotte at the helm, including but not limited to Rod Smith, Ed McCaffrey, and Randy Moss. As far as I'm concerned, stop looking at his QBs... the blame has to fall squarely on Chris Chambers at this point. I live in Florida and all my friends are Dolphins fans, so I see a lot of Miami games with them, and we've been saying for years that nobody realizes it because all they ever see are the highlight catches on SportsCenter, but Chris Chambers has some pretty bad hands. Reminds me a lot of Brandon Lloyd in that people saw all of the ridiculous grabs, but never saw any of the gimme passes that he drops.

Careful man, that's dangerous talk around here. If you tell people who don't watch Miami games that Chambers has bad hands, they'll accuse you of not watching the games!

 

[nerangers]

10. Could it come back to haunt them? New England is 3 for 6 on FG's this season so far. Will the loss of Vinatieri hurt them? Stay tuned.

Two were blocked...don't know if that makes a difference and puts the blame on him. I don't think it has cost the Pats a game yet. The one he missed in the Denver game maybe...since it gave the Broncos good field position, and I think they got a TD on that drive.

 

[SickThing]

I noticed the Chambers catch % stat independently when I was doing my homework this preseason and attributed it more to poor QB play than anything.

The question now is: does it still stand to reason with Culpepper looking more like Byron Leftwich than Donovan McNabb?

My response to that right now is the same as my response to that in the offseason...If the bad QB play is pulling Chambers down so much, how do you explain Wes Welker? Last season, Chambers had a 49% catch rate to Welker's 56%. This season, Chambers has a 41% compared to Welker's 69%. They're playing with the exact same QBs here. Sure, Chambers is facing some tougher coverages, but does that account for a difference of THIRTY PERCENT here?

Besides, Gus Frerotte is no scrub. Lots of players have posted very solid catch% stats with Frerotte at the helm, including but not limited to Rod Smith, Ed McCaffrey, and Randy Moss. As far as I'm concerned, stop looking at his QBs... the blame has to fall squarely on Chris Chambers at this point. I live in Florida and all my friends are Dolphins fans, so I see a lot of Miami games with them, and we've been saying for years that nobody realizes it because all they ever see are the highlight catches on SportsCenter, but Chris Chambers has some pretty bad hands. Reminds me a lot of Brandon Lloyd in that people saw all of the ridiculous grabs, but never saw any of the gimme passes that he drops.

You compare last years stats with this years and deceptively follow with the statement of "exact same QBs". However last years QB is not the same as this years QB. So it would seem to me that these stats indicate a change at QB is responsible for the change in stats. In other words, Culpepper not locking into Chambers the way Frerotte did. But we are still pretty early in the season, so the stats so far may change significantly. It can only get better I think.

 

[SSOG]

I noticed the Chambers catch % stat independently when I was doing my homework this preseason and attributed it more to poor QB play than anything.

The question now is: does it still stand to reason with Culpepper looking more like Byron Leftwich than Donovan McNabb?

My response to that right now is the same as my response to that in the offseason...If the bad QB play is pulling Chambers down so much, how do you explain Wes Welker? Last season, Chambers had a 49% catch rate to Welker's 56%. This season, Chambers has a 41% compared to Welker's 69%. They're playing with the exact same QBs here. Sure, Chambers is facing some tougher coverages, but does that account for a difference of THIRTY PERCENT here?

Besides, Gus Frerotte is no scrub. Lots of players have posted very solid catch% stats with Frerotte at the helm, including but not limited to Rod Smith, Ed McCaffrey, and Randy Moss. As far as I'm concerned, stop looking at his QBs... the blame has to fall squarely on Chris Chambers at this point. I live in Florida and all my friends are Dolphins fans, so I see a lot of Miami games with them, and we've been saying for years that nobody realizes it because all they ever see are the highlight catches on SportsCenter, but Chris Chambers has some pretty bad hands. Reminds me a lot of Brandon Lloyd in that people saw all of the ridiculous grabs, but never saw any of the gimme passes that he drops.

You compare last years stats with this years and deceptively follow with the statement of "exact same QBs". However last years QB is not the same as this years QB. So it would seem to me that these stats indicate a change at QB is responsible for the change in stats. In other words, Culpepper not locking into Chambers the way Frerotte did. But we are still pretty early in the season, so the stats so far may change significantly. It can only get better I think.

You aren't understanding. I never compared last year to this year.Last year:

2005 Chris Chambers had a 49% catch% (with Frerotte).

2005 Wes Welker had a 56% catch% (with Frerotte).

Advantage: Wes Welker (with the exact same QB).

This year:

2006 Chris Chambers has a 41% catch% (with Culpepper).

2006 Wes Welker has a 69% catch% (with Culpepper).

Advantage: Wes Welker (with the exact same QB).

Also, Lee Evans managed a solid catch% last year with J.P. Losman. Arnaz Battle managed a solid catch% last year with Alex Smith. I would argue that both of those QBs last year were worse than Gus Frerotte, and yet Battle/Evans still posted better catch% than Chambers did.

The whole blame the QB arguement really doesn't have much of a leg to stand on. It's pretty clear that the blame has to fall squarely on Chambers' shoulders.

 

[Sigfawn]

I noticed the Chambers catch % stat independently when I was doing my homework this preseason and attributed it more to poor QB play than anything.

The question now is: does it still stand to reason with Culpepper looking more like Byron Leftwich than Donovan McNabb?

My response to that right now is the same as my response to that in the offseason...If the bad QB play is pulling Chambers down so much, how do you explain Wes Welker? Last season, Chambers had a 49% catch rate to Welker's 56%. This season, Chambers has a 41% compared to Welker's 69%. They're playing with the exact same QBs here. Sure, Chambers is facing some tougher coverages, but does that account for a difference of THIRTY PERCENT here?

Besides, Gus Frerotte is no scrub. Lots of players have posted very solid catch% stats with Frerotte at the helm, including but not limited to Rod Smith, Ed McCaffrey, and Randy Moss. As far as I'm concerned, stop looking at his QBs... the blame has to fall squarely on Chris Chambers at this point. I live in Florida and all my friends are Dolphins fans, so I see a lot of Miami games with them, and we've been saying for years that nobody realizes it because all they ever see are the highlight catches on SportsCenter, but Chris Chambers has some pretty bad hands. Reminds me a lot of Brandon Lloyd in that people saw all of the ridiculous grabs, but never saw any of the gimme passes that he drops.

You compare last years stats with this years and deceptively follow with the statement of "exact same QBs". However last years QB is not the same as this years QB. So it would seem to me that these stats indicate a change at QB is responsible for the change in stats. In other words, Culpepper not locking into Chambers the way Frerotte did. But we are still pretty early in the season, so the stats so far may change significantly. It can only get better I think.

Not really deceptive, they both have the same QB throwing to them this year (cpepp) and last year (gus). And it's not "locking in". I'm not sure what part is throwing you. Chambers has a low catch %, end of story. This year, and last. As he pointed out, you can't blame the QB, because other WRs on the same team have better catch%s, by a fair bit (this year and last).

 

[Despyzer]

1. Who are the goal-line greats and goats? The Raiders have only had 2 plays all season inside the opponent's 5-yard line. That's not too hard to believe is it?

How about this though?

The Giants also have only had 2 plays inside the 5-yard line. Granted, they have only played 3 games, but still. Wow. This is a Giants team that has scored 81 points in 3 games.

But wait a minute - no way!

The Bengals, a team that has played 4 games so far, have only had 3 plays inside the 5-yard line.

Now for the stunner...

The 49ers are averaging 5 plays inside the 5-yard line PER GAME!



2. In McNair we trust - The Ravens have had 13 plays inside the 5-yard line. 8 of those 13 plays were passes. Believe it or not, they are not the highest percentage of goal-line passes. The Raiders, who have a total of 2 plays inside the 5, passed on both of those plays. One of those passes was a TD pass (Randy Moss).

3. So who leads the NFL in goal-line rushing TD's? - The Colts have 6 goal line rushing TD's, The Jets have 5 and the 49ers have 4. Surprised about that aren't ya?

4. How about the leaders in passing TD inside the 5? - Houston 4, Baltimore 4, Cleveland 3.

Should we then draw the conclusion that stats regarding "inside the 5" are essentially meaningless?

 

[Gopher State]

Great stuff Wheelhouse keep it up. One of the value added (free) features of Footballguys.

 

[Wheelhouse]

1. Who are the goal-line greats and goats? The Raiders have only had 2 plays all season inside the opponent's 5-yard line. That's not too hard to believe is it?

How about this though?

The Giants also have only had 2 plays inside the 5-yard line. Granted, they have only played 3 games, but still. Wow. This is a Giants team that has scored 81 points in 3 games.

But wait a minute - no way!

The Bengals, a team that has played 4 games so far, have only had 3 plays inside the 5-yard line.

Now for the stunner...

The 49ers are averaging 5 plays inside the 5-yard line PER GAME!



2. In McNair we trust - The Ravens have had 13 plays inside the 5-yard line. 8 of those 13 plays were passes. Believe it or not, they are not the highest percentage of goal-line passes. The Raiders, who have a total of 2 plays inside the 5, passed on both of those plays. One of those passes was a TD pass (Randy Moss).

3. So who leads the NFL in goal-line rushing TD's? - The Colts have 6 goal line rushing TD's, The Jets have 5 and the 49ers have 4. Surprised about that aren't ya?

4. How about the leaders in passing TD inside the 5? - Houston 4, Baltimore 4, Cleveland 3.

Should we then draw the conclusion that stats regarding "inside the 5" are essentially meaningless?

I definitely don't think they are meaningless, because even though the teams with goal line success may be surprising, points is still points. If certain teams have a tendency to score inside the 5, wouldn't you want to know who they are? A correct roster decision could be made by knowing the facts and trends.

 

[SickThing]

I noticed the Chambers catch % stat independently when I was doing my homework this preseason and attributed it more to poor QB play than anything.

The question now is: does it still stand to reason with Culpepper looking more like Byron Leftwich than Donovan McNabb?

My response to that right now is the same as my response to that in the offseason...If the bad QB play is pulling Chambers down so much, how do you explain Wes Welker? Last season, Chambers had a 49% catch rate to Welker's 56%. This season, Chambers has a 41% compared to Welker's 69%. They're playing with the exact same QBs here. Sure, Chambers is facing some tougher coverages, but does that account for a difference of THIRTY PERCENT here?

Besides, Gus Frerotte is no scrub. Lots of players have posted very solid catch% stats with Frerotte at the helm, including but not limited to Rod Smith, Ed McCaffrey, and Randy Moss. As far as I'm concerned, stop looking at his QBs... the blame has to fall squarely on Chris Chambers at this point. I live in Florida and all my friends are Dolphins fans, so I see a lot of Miami games with them, and we've been saying for years that nobody realizes it because all they ever see are the highlight catches on SportsCenter, but Chris Chambers has some pretty bad hands. Reminds me a lot of Brandon Lloyd in that people saw all of the ridiculous grabs, but never saw any of the gimme passes that he drops.

You compare last years stats with this years and deceptively follow with the statement of "exact same QBs". However last years QB is not the same as this years QB. So it would seem to me that these stats indicate a change at QB is responsible for the change in stats. In other words, Culpepper not locking into Chambers the way Frerotte did. But we are still pretty early in the season, so the stats so far may change significantly. It can only get better I think.

You aren't understanding. I never compared last year to this year.Last year:

2005 Chris Chambers had a 49% catch% (with Frerotte).

2005 Wes Welker had a 56% catch% (with Frerotte).

Advantage: Wes Welker (with the exact same QB).

This year:

2006 Chris Chambers has a 41% catch% (with Culpepper).

2006 Wes Welker has a 69% catch% (with Culpepper).

Advantage: Wes Welker (with the exact same QB).

Also, Lee Evans managed a solid catch% last year with J.P. Losman. Arnaz Battle managed a solid catch% last year with Alex Smith. I would argue that both of those QBs last year were worse than Gus Frerotte, and yet Battle/Evans still posted better catch% than Chambers did.

The whole blame the QB arguement really doesn't have much of a leg to stand on. It's pretty clear that the blame has to fall squarely on Chambers' shoulders.

Yes, I realize you are talking more about Chambers catch rate being low both years despite who was the QB. However we're generally discussing the problem with the value of Chambers here, and in that process you also brought up Welker. Then you showed stats where Welkers % went up from last year while Chambers % went down from last year. So there's the change in stats from year to year under different QBs. All I'm saying is there was a change in QB from one year to the next that may be demonstrating that Culpepper possibly locks in onChambers less than Gus did, which your "exact same QBs" statement was sort of dismissing, even if it wasn't your point nor intential.

Sorry for the redundancy everyone. I thought my point would be understood the first time.

 

[kutta]

Nice job. Thanks for the effort

 

[sirfumblesalot]

Love it.

 

[SSOG]

Sorry for the redundancy everyone. I thought my point would be understood the first time.

Okay, I get it now, thanks for clarifying. It's a very valid point- Chambers' catch% may very well have gone down because of Culpepper, but my point wasn't that Chambers' catch% went down... it's that it was lower than Welker's last year, and is again lower than Welker's this year. I fully expect Chambers to rebound from his 41% back up closer to 50% by season's end, I was just pointing out that these "poor QBs" haven't resulted in everyone else on the Dolphins posting a poor catch%, too.

 

[Bob_Magaw]

Rushing TD allowed

0 DEN

1 CHI

1 ATL

Receiving TD's allowed

0 CHI

0 ATL

1 DEN

Only 1 TD allowed by each of these D's

great stuff, as always, wheelhouse...what is the NFL record for fewest TDs allowed in a season... maybe monsters of midway & BAL in super bowl year are in top 5?

 

[SSOG]

Rushing TD allowed

0 DEN

1 CHI

1 ATL

Receiving TD's allowed

0 CHI

0 ATL

1 DEN

Only 1 TD allowed by each of these D's

great stuff, as always, wheelhouse...what is the NFL record for fewest TDs allowed in a season... maybe monsters of midway & BAL in super bowl year are in top 5?

Would guess one would have to go back to the lower scoring days of the league to find that answer out. Tampa's D in 2002-1999 would be another formidable one to compare to the Ravens-Bears D's of the last 20 years. Upon a quick search, the 1975 Rams D led by Father Murphy, Hunter and Hacksaw, among several others with not as cool a names, allowed just 15 total touchdowns (4 rushing, 11 passing)...while the 2000 Ravens D allowed 16 total touchdowns (5 rushing, 11 passing).

The 1977 Atlanta Falcons- the best defense you've never heard about- allowed just 14 TDs. I'm pretty sure they own the record for fewest points allowed per game, too (129 total points allowed, just 9.2 allowed per game, over a full point per game fewer than the 2000 Ravens).Even more impressive, unlike Baltimore, whose offense was league-average (14th in scoring, 16th in yards), the '77 Falcons managed that feat with a BRUTALLY bad offense weighing them down (25th in scoring, 26th in yards, out of 28 teams).

It's a real shame that the 1977 Falcons don't get the recognition they deserve as one of the best defenses in NFL history.

 

[No Swammi]

Wheelhouse - Interesting Stats, Info and Tidbits

Thru Week 4

3. So who leads the NFL in goal-line rushing TD's? - The Colts have 6 goal line rushing TD's, The Jets have 5 and the 49ers have 4. Surprised about that aren't ya?

4. How about the leaders in passing TD inside the 5? - Houston 4, Baltimore 4, Cleveland 3.

I haven't seen any of the Colts games this year, so I am curious about this stat. Obviously they have been successful running the ball inside the 5 and are 4-0, so is it fair to assume this trend will continue throughout the year?

 

[SSOG]

I haven't seen any of the Colts games this year, so I am curious about this stat. Obviously they have been successful running the ball inside the 5 and are 4-0, so is it fair to assume this trend will continue throughout the year?

I highly doubt it. Two of those goal-line rushing TDs came from none other than Peyton Manning on QB sneaks. I'm not saying that Indy doesn't use the sneak much, but before this season they hadn't called it since the 2004 playoffs vs. Denver, and before that it hadn't been used since 2001 or 2002.Peyton's rushing TDs have to, in my mind, be viewed as a collossal aberration and discounted entirely in future projections. The Colts, prior to this year, were averaging a QB sneak every two seasons, so I'm a little bit skeptical that Peyton will finish this season with the 8 rushing TD's he's currently on pace for.

 

[brednbuddah]

Info like this shouldn't be free...

outstanding job.