When Carolina takes Cam Newton (1 Viewer)

[RandyDB]

Exactly. Who even knew who Cam Newton was this time last year?

This alone is reason enough NOT to risk a #1 pick on Newton

 

[zadok]

Exactly. Who even knew who Cam Newton was this time last year?

This alone is reason enough NOT to risk a #1 pick on Newton

I think it speaks in his favor actually. Going from total obscurity to dominating the SEC and crusing to a national championship and picking up the Hesiman on the way is a sign of a transcendant player. He has a high bust risk, no doubt. But when your team sucks you have to roll the dice. I am neither a Newton nor Panther fan, but if I were them, I would try and convince the Patriots to trade up to #1 for AJ Green.

 

[pantherclub]

Exactly. Who even knew who Cam Newton was this time last year?

This alone is reason enough NOT to risk a #1 pick on Newton

I think it speaks in his favor actually. Going from total obscurity to dominating the SEC and crusing to a national championship and picking up the Hesiman on the way is a sign of a transcendant player. He has a high bust risk, no doubt. But when your team sucks you have to roll the dice. I am neither a Newton or Panther fan, but if I were them, I would try and convince the Patriots to trade up to #1 for AJ Green.

Not only no, but hell no. That is totally the wrong way to approach this. When you suck you dont make crazy choices and hope they pan out. That is why you see the same teams in teh top 10 every year. They roll the dice as you say and it never pans out. you have to be methodical in your approach to drafting and get quality players that will contribute.For example the Panthers have already rolled the dice as you say. They traded a first for Otah who has played one year missed one year. They traded another first for Everette Brown who is an undersized DE that is average at best. They picked Claussen in the 2nd when most teams passed on him 2x. They traded their 2nd this year for Armanti Edwards who I will bet will be out of the league in 2 years. You dont get cute and gamble. You try and get draft picks and do your diligence and make good solid choices.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

/\ A few things.Our opinion goes way beyond Grudens soundbite. That is just another example or icing on the cake if you will that Newton doesnt possess the intelligence to be a top pick QB.

There's a number of reasons why one could/should have their doubts about whether or not Newton will be a success, but where is this one coming from? I thought he scored above the average for QBs on the Wonderlic and he comes across as reasonably intelligent.Also since when was intelligence a prerequisite for NFL QB success? It's a tip that Dan Marino and Terry Bradshaw were slightly smarter than lamposts coming out of college.

 

[zadok]

Exactly. Who even knew who Cam Newton was this time last year?

This alone is reason enough NOT to risk a #1 pick on Newton

I think it speaks in his favor actually. Going from total obscurity to dominating the SEC and crusing to a national championship and picking up the Hesiman on the way is a sign of a transcendant player. He has a high bust risk, no doubt. But when your team sucks you have to roll the dice. I am neither a Newton or Panther fan, but if I were them, I would try and convince the Patriots to trade up to #1 for AJ Green.

Not only no, but hell no. That is totally the wrong way to approach this. When you suck you dont make crazy choices and hope they pan out. That is why you see the same teams in teh top 10 every year. They roll the dice as you say and it never pans out. you have to be methodical in your approach to drafting and get quality players that will contribute.For example the Panthers have already rolled the dice as you say. They traded a first for Otah who has played one year missed one year. They traded another first for Everette Brown who is an undersized DE that is average at best. They picked Claussen in the 2nd when most teams passed on him 2x. They traded their 2nd this year for Armanti Edwards who I will bet will be out of the league in 2 years. You dont get cute and gamble. You try and get draft picks and do your diligence and make good solid choices.

"crazy choices" vs "solid choices" is the risk you run with every pick. The Rams "hoped" Sam Bradford would "pan out". Some do, some don't. You have to take your chances on a potentially game changing QB if you don't already have one. The Panthers don't have one.

The NFL landscape is littered with "sure things" that busted, and "high risk" superstars.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

This is an absurd topic. If Newton gets drafted, he is going to play.

We have no idea how well he can assimilate a playbook, no matter what anyone thinks they discovered in a 30 second sound bite with Jon Gruden.

And you are also predicting that not only will Andrew Luck remain the best QB prospect, but that Carolina will have a shot at him again?

If the NFL was that easy to figure out, people would make a lot more money gambling.

Cam is already very limited in knowledge and process as real NFL QB's go. On top of that he's likely going to miss all of the off season, pre-season with coaches and playbook. How do you think he's going to be able to start his first season?No team is going to tailor their entire playbook and season after the auburn playbook, especially since it can't be used long term or expanded upon for NFL use.

There was nothing professional about Sam Bradford's college offense either. And now Cam's likely to miss the offseason, and the preseason?

The difference in our thinking is, you are taking opinions, and assuming them to be facts. Based on what, 10 seconds with Jon Gruden on TV?

He didn't have a complicated offense at Auburn, 'tis true. That's not the same thing as not being bright enough to pick up an NFL offense. Which we have zero evidence of. If Cam Newton were to be the #1 overall pick, I would place the Over/Under at percentage of QB snaps taken at about.....40. It'd be more except for the uncertain labor situation. People are taking a TV soundbite, and the startling revelation that Cam played in a spread offense, and going way, way overboard.

I really cannot believe the massive assumptions people are making here, and then using them as facts to make an argument. Just so I am clear here: Panthers are 'most likely' to be in line for the top pick next year, Andrew Luck will be the #1 QB/prospect in the draft, and the lockout will extend thru the preseason, do I have that right? Can I bet against all three of those somewhere?

I truly don't mean to sound like a #### here, but anyone telling me how long the lockout is "likely" to last is insulting my intelligence, or, even more alarming, actually believes they have a clue.

When was the last time a team had back-to-back #1 overall picks? Has it ever happened?

And finally, when was the last time the presumptive #1 pick the following year actually was the #1 pick the following year? Heck, the last quarterback? Jake Locker, Brady Quinn, Brian Brohm, I remember quite a few guys getting talked up entering their last year. None were #1 picks, and some weren't even 1st rounders.

Cam ran more than he threw, has 1 year experience at QB, his one year experience was very limited in anything an NFL QB does or needs to know, he doesn't/hasn't called plays, he can't read def's, he can't audible, he's a 1 read QB, has trouble with timing on passes, his arm may be strong but fairly inaccurate....

But he's an amassing physical specimen... then again, so is every Olympic athlete..

The guy has too much to learn, and not enough time to learn it. It'll be at least a year before he's a confident starter, at least... It'll be at least 3 years before he's a competent starter.. And I doubt he'll ever be a winner

He's great for a gimmick/gadget type offense. Maybe someone could go full wildcat and he'd fit in... As a passer, which he'd need to be at some point, not looking good..

I think there's a real good chance you are right on all this. But I have to believe if someone takes him, they put him on the chalkboard, and feel he can retain, learn, and process. I do think if he goes #1, he's gonna play. Maybe it's just a set of plays to start. I dunno. But the pressure to play him will be so massive, especially if Clausen doesn't play reasonably well.

If I was a Panther fan, I sure wouldn't want him either. But I have been wrong about college QBs more often than not. I thought Bradford would need time, and I thought JaMarcus was a good pick, so going by my track record, Cam will turn into Randall Cunningham.

I'm sure everyone assumes he'll be drafted... Not sure where the "if" comes from since he's likely an early first rounder.But I don't think he starts day one, and if the hold out continues till game one, I doubt he starts this year at all, regardless of where he's drafted.

He is lacking the knowledge needed to play the position.

Has there every been a QB to play only 1 year at the collegiate level and lack so much as a passer, that started his first season in the NFL?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Exactly. Who even knew who Cam Newton was this time last year?

This alone is reason enough NOT to risk a #1 pick on Newton

I think it speaks in his favor actually. Going from total obscurity to dominating the SEC and crusing to a national championship and picking up the Hesiman on the way is a sign of a transcendant player. He has a high bust risk, no doubt. But when your team sucks you have to roll the dice. I am neither a Newton nor Panther fan, but if I were them, I would try and convince the Patriots to trade up to #1 for AJ Green.

I don't agree with the bolded. I do agree that the panthers need to trade down..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

/\ A few things.Our opinion goes way beyond Grudens soundbite. That is just another example or icing on the cake if you will that Newton doesnt possess the intelligence to be a top pick QB.

There's a number of reasons why one could/should have their doubts about whether or not Newton will be a success, but where is this one coming from? I thought he scored above the average for QBs on the Wonderlic and he comes across as reasonably intelligent.Also since when was intelligence a prerequisite for NFL QB success? It's a tip that Dan Marino and Terry Bradshaw were slightly smarter than lamposts coming out of college.

Cam scored a 21, Jamarcus Russell scored a 24

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Exactly. Who even knew who Cam Newton was this time last year?

This alone is reason enough NOT to risk a #1 pick on Newton

I think it speaks in his favor actually. Going from total obscurity to dominating the SEC and crusing to a national championship and picking up the Hesiman on the way is a sign of a transcendant player. He has a high bust risk, no doubt. But when your team sucks you have to roll the dice. I am neither a Newton or Panther fan, but if I were them, I would try and convince the Patriots to trade up to #1 for AJ Green.

Not only no, but hell no. That is totally the wrong way to approach this. When you suck you dont make crazy choices and hope they pan out. That is why you see the same teams in teh top 10 every year. They roll the dice as you say and it never pans out. you have to be methodical in your approach to drafting and get quality players that will contribute.For example the Panthers have already rolled the dice as you say. They traded a first for Otah who has played one year missed one year. They traded another first for Everette Brown who is an undersized DE that is average at best. They picked Claussen in the 2nd when most teams passed on him 2x. They traded their 2nd this year for Armanti Edwards who I will bet will be out of the league in 2 years. You dont get cute and gamble. You try and get draft picks and do your diligence and make good solid choices.

"crazy choices" vs "solid choices" is the risk you run with every pick. The Rams "hoped" Sam Bradford would "pan out". Some do, some don't. You have to take your chances on a potentially game changing QB if you don't already have one. The Panthers don't have one.

The NFL landscape is littered with "sure things" that busted, and "high risk" superstars.

The only thing Bradford and Newton are similar in, is that they both played in a "spread type offense"..

Their offenses were completely different, they played completely different, Cam has only played 1 year as QB at the collegiate level, and Cam has never proven he can be a passer...

 

[Football Critic]

Exactly. Who even knew who Cam Newton was this time last year?

This alone is reason enough NOT to risk a #1 pick on Newton

I think it speaks in his favor actually. Going from total obscurity to dominating the SEC and crusing to a national championship and picking up the Hesiman on the way is a sign of a transcendant player. He has a high bust risk, no doubt. But when your team sucks you have to roll the dice. I am neither a Newton or Panther fan, but if I were them, I would try and convince the Patriots to trade up to #1 for AJ Green.

Not only no, but hell no. That is totally the wrong way to approach this. When you suck you dont make crazy choices and hope they pan out. That is why you see the same teams in teh top 10 every year. They roll the dice as you say and it never pans out. you have to be methodical in your approach to drafting and get quality players that will contribute.For example the Panthers have already rolled the dice as you say. They traded a first for Otah who has played one year missed one year. They traded another first for Everette Brown who is an undersized DE that is average at best. They picked Claussen in the 2nd when most teams passed on him 2x. They traded their 2nd this year for Armanti Edwards who I will bet will be out of the league in 2 years. You dont get cute and gamble. You try and get draft picks and do your diligence and make good solid choices.

"crazy choices" vs "solid choices" is the risk you run with every pick. The Rams "hoped" Sam Bradford would "pan out". Some do, some don't. You have to take your chances on a potentially game changing QB if you don't already have one. The Panthers don't have one.

The NFL landscape is littered with "sure things" that busted, and "high risk" superstars.

The only thing Bradford and Newton are similar in, is that they both played in a "spread type offense"..

Their offenses were completely different, they played completely different, Cam has only played 1 year as QB at the collegiate level, and Cam has never proven he can be a passer...

Leave it to Hustler to be totally wrong...Cam played at Florida, got in trouble, went to a junior college and played there... then went to Auburn.

So technically he has played more then 1 year at the collegiate level.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Exactly. Who even knew who Cam Newton was this time last year?

This alone is reason enough NOT to risk a #1 pick on Newton

I think it speaks in his favor actually. Going from total obscurity to dominating the SEC and crusing to a national championship and picking up the Hesiman on the way is a sign of a transcendant player. He has a high bust risk, no doubt. But when your team sucks you have to roll the dice. I am neither a Newton or Panther fan, but if I were them, I would try and convince the Patriots to trade up to #1 for AJ Green.

Not only no, but hell no. That is totally the wrong way to approach this. When you suck you dont make crazy choices and hope they pan out. That is why you see the same teams in teh top 10 every year. They roll the dice as you say and it never pans out. you have to be methodical in your approach to drafting and get quality players that will contribute.For example the Panthers have already rolled the dice as you say. They traded a first for Otah who has played one year missed one year. They traded another first for Everette Brown who is an undersized DE that is average at best. They picked Claussen in the 2nd when most teams passed on him 2x. They traded their 2nd this year for Armanti Edwards who I will bet will be out of the league in 2 years. You dont get cute and gamble. You try and get draft picks and do your diligence and make good solid choices.

"crazy choices" vs "solid choices" is the risk you run with every pick. The Rams "hoped" Sam Bradford would "pan out". Some do, some don't. You have to take your chances on a potentially game changing QB if you don't already have one. The Panthers don't have one.

The NFL landscape is littered with "sure things" that busted, and "high risk" superstars.

The only thing Bradford and Newton are similar in, is that they both played in a "spread type offense"..

Their offenses were completely different, they played completely different, Cam has only played 1 year as QB at the collegiate level, and Cam has never proven he can be a passer...

Leave it to Hustler to be totally wrong...Cam played at Florida, got in trouble, went to a junior college and played there... then went to Auburn.

So technically he has played more then 1 year at the collegiate level.

Spent two years as a backup at the University of FloridaAnd played for Blinn Junior College. Which isn't real collegiate football by any stretch.

Wow, try a little harder next time...

 

[Football Critic]

Exactly. Who even knew who Cam Newton was this time last year?

This alone is reason enough NOT to risk a #1 pick on Newton

I think it speaks in his favor actually. Going from total obscurity to dominating the SEC and crusing to a national championship and picking up the Hesiman on the way is a sign of a transcendant player. He has a high bust risk, no doubt. But when your team sucks you have to roll the dice. I am neither a Newton or Panther fan, but if I were them, I would try and convince the Patriots to trade up to #1 for AJ Green.

Not only no, but hell no. That is totally the wrong way to approach this. When you suck you dont make crazy choices and hope they pan out. That is why you see the same teams in teh top 10 every year. They roll the dice as you say and it never pans out. you have to be methodical in your approach to drafting and get quality players that will contribute.For example the Panthers have already rolled the dice as you say. They traded a first for Otah who has played one year missed one year. They traded another first for Everette Brown who is an undersized DE that is average at best. They picked Claussen in the 2nd when most teams passed on him 2x. They traded their 2nd this year for Armanti Edwards who I will bet will be out of the league in 2 years. You dont get cute and gamble. You try and get draft picks and do your diligence and make good solid choices.

"crazy choices" vs "solid choices" is the risk you run with every pick. The Rams "hoped" Sam Bradford would "pan out". Some do, some don't. You have to take your chances on a potentially game changing QB if you don't already have one. The Panthers don't have one.

The NFL landscape is littered with "sure things" that busted, and "high risk" superstars.

The only thing Bradford and Newton are similar in, is that they both played in a "spread type offense"..

Their offenses were completely different, they played completely different, Cam has only played 1 year as QB at the collegiate level, and Cam has never proven he can be a passer...

Leave it to Hustler to be totally wrong...Cam played at Florida, got in trouble, went to a junior college and played there... then went to Auburn.

So technically he has played more then 1 year at the collegiate level.

Spent two years as a backup at the University of Floridawow, try a little harder next time...

Ummmm, played at Blinn college in Texas and won the NJCAA national title. Maybe Junior college and may be a backup in florida, and that is still playing collegiate ball, as you stated in your original wrong uneducated statement. lol

 

[pantherclub]

That still doesnt make him prepared to be the #1 pick overall.

Cam has bust written all over him and this is like watching a trainwreck in super slow motion. Only its my team that its happening to.

I will ask this to any of the Newton believers. What is his best case scenario? Who could you compare him to that he may eventually become? Because I can rattle off about 5 names without doing any research of guys just like him that have failed miserably.

 

[Football Critic]

That still doesnt make him prepared to be the #1 pick overall.Cam has bust written all over him and this is like watching a trainwreck in super slow motion. Only its my team that its happening to.I will ask this to any of the Newton believers. What is his best case scenario? Who could you compare him to that he may eventually become? Because I can rattle off about 5 names without doing any research of guys just like him that have failed miserably.

I agree, not a fan of Cam, I personally dont think he will go #1 and think he will slide....at least thats how it should go.My dispute was Hustlers facts, they were wrong.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Exactly. Who even knew who Cam Newton was this time last year?

This alone is reason enough NOT to risk a #1 pick on Newton

I think it speaks in his favor actually. Going from total obscurity to dominating the SEC and crusing to a national championship and picking up the Hesiman on the way is a sign of a transcendant player. He has a high bust risk, no doubt. But when your team sucks you have to roll the dice. I am neither a Newton or Panther fan, but if I were them, I would try and convince the Patriots to trade up to #1 for AJ Green.

Not only no, but hell no. That is totally the wrong way to approach this. When you suck you dont make crazy choices and hope they pan out. That is why you see the same teams in teh top 10 every year. They roll the dice as you say and it never pans out. you have to be methodical in your approach to drafting and get quality players that will contribute.For example the Panthers have already rolled the dice as you say. They traded a first for Otah who has played one year missed one year. They traded another first for Everette Brown who is an undersized DE that is average at best. They picked Claussen in the 2nd when most teams passed on him 2x. They traded their 2nd this year for Armanti Edwards who I will bet will be out of the league in 2 years. You dont get cute and gamble. You try and get draft picks and do your diligence and make good solid choices.

"crazy choices" vs "solid choices" is the risk you run with every pick. The Rams "hoped" Sam Bradford would "pan out". Some do, some don't. You have to take your chances on a potentially game changing QB if you don't already have one. The Panthers don't have one.

The NFL landscape is littered with "sure things" that busted, and "high risk" superstars.

The only thing Bradford and Newton are similar in, is that they both played in a "spread type offense"..

Their offenses were completely different, they played completely different, Cam has only played 1 year as QB at the collegiate level, and Cam has never proven he can be a passer...

Leave it to Hustler to be totally wrong...Cam played at Florida, got in trouble, went to a junior college and played there... then went to Auburn.

So technically he has played more then 1 year at the collegiate level.

Spent two years as a backup at the University of Floridawow, try a little harder next time...

Ummmm, played at Blinn college in Texas and won the NJCAA national title. Maybe Junior college and may be a backup in florida, and that is still playing collegiate ball, as you stated in your original wrong uneducated statement. lol

You're going to compare Blinn Junior college, to a real college football program? There are better highschools...

 

[Carolina Hustler]

That still doesnt make him prepared to be the #1 pick overall.Cam has bust written all over him and this is like watching a trainwreck in super slow motion. Only its my team that its happening to.I will ask this to any of the Newton believers. What is his best case scenario? Who could you compare him to that he may eventually become? Because I can rattle off about 5 names without doing any research of guys just like him that have failed miserably.

I agree, not a fan of Cam, I personally dont think he will go #1 and think he will slide....at least thats how it should go.My dispute was Hustlers facts, they were wrong.

Nice to know you have so much to add.Isn't there a Packer tie wearing car salesman travesty somewhere that needs your attention?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

/\ A few things.Our opinion goes way beyond Grudens soundbite. That is just another example or icing on the cake if you will that Newton doesnt possess the intelligence to be a top pick QB.

There's a number of reasons why one could/should have their doubts about whether or not Newton will be a success, but where is this one coming from? I thought he scored above the average for QBs on the Wonderlic and he comes across as reasonably intelligent.Also since when was intelligence a prerequisite for NFL QB success? It's a tip that Dan Marino and Terry Bradshaw were slightly smarter than lamposts coming out of college.

Cam scored a 21, Jamarcus Russell scored a 24

So? That just shows that Russell may have been more intelligent - Russell failed because he was lazy.Dan Marino and Jim Kelly each scored 15.I looked it up afterwards, 21 is slightly below the average for QBs (24).

 

[Football Critic]

That still doesnt make him prepared to be the #1 pick overall.Cam has bust written all over him and this is like watching a trainwreck in super slow motion. Only its my team that its happening to.I will ask this to any of the Newton believers. What is his best case scenario? Who could you compare him to that he may eventually become? Because I can rattle off about 5 names without doing any research of guys just like him that have failed miserably.

I agree, not a fan of Cam, I personally dont think he will go #1 and think he will slide....at least thats how it should go.My dispute was Hustlers facts, they were wrong.

Nice to know you have so much to add.Isn't there a Packer tie wearing car salesman travesty somewhere that needs your attention?

Nah no one getting fired for something stupid lately, but I do see more people getting facts wrong like you. I bolded your statement above that was wrong, I did not compare it to anything. You said he only played one year of collegiate football, that is untrue, therefor wrong.

 

[pantherclub]

/\ A few things.

Our opinion goes way beyond Grudens soundbite. That is just another example or icing on the cake if you will that Newton doesnt possess the intelligence to be a top pick QB.

There's a number of reasons why one could/should have their doubts about whether or not Newton will be a success, but where is this one coming from? I thought he scored above the average for QBs on the Wonderlic and he comes across as reasonably intelligent.Also since when was intelligence a prerequisite for NFL QB success? It's a tip that Dan Marino and Terry Bradshaw were slightly smarter than lamposts coming out of college.

Cam scored a 21, Jamarcus Russell scored a 24

So? That just shows that Russell may have been more intelligent - Russell failed because he was lazy.

Dan Marino and Jim Kelly each scored 15.

I looked it up afterwards, 21 is slightly below the average for QBs (24).

Totally different era dude.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

That still doesnt make him prepared to be the #1 pick overall.Cam has bust written all over him and this is like watching a trainwreck in super slow motion. Only its my team that its happening to.I will ask this to any of the Newton believers. What is his best case scenario? Who could you compare him to that he may eventually become? Because I can rattle off about 5 names without doing any research of guys just like him that have failed miserably.

I agree, not a fan of Cam, I personally dont think he will go #1 and think he will slide....at least thats how it should go.My dispute was Hustlers facts, they were wrong.

Nice to know you have so much to add.Isn't there a Packer tie wearing car salesman travesty somewhere that needs your attention?

Nah no one getting fired for something stupid lately, but I do see more people getting facts wrong like you. I bolded your statement above that was wrong, I did not compare it to anything. You said he only played one year of collegiate football, that is untrue, therefor wrong.

To anyone who watches college football, NCAA, is real college football. NJCAA is players who are to old for highschool.. lol

 

[Bracie Smathers]

When Carolina TAKES Cam Newton, sorry for the misspell in the topic

There is NO way Newton starts this year. The playbook is going to be way too much for him to take in considering he probably wont get it til late June or early July (at earliest). So if we agree on that we agree Jimmy Claussen starts the season. If that happens one of these two things are going to happen for the Panthers.........

1) The Panthers are going to be awful with Claussen under the helm and be picking again in the top 5

2) Jimmy Claussen improves on an underwhelming rookie season and improves there record to close to .500

One of these 2 are gonna happen ( I would be open to other scenario's.

When one of these happen what are the Panthers going to do.

If 1 happens you have (more than liely) 2 elite qb prospects coming out in Barkley and Luck. You cannot take one of these guys, you have to stick with Cam.

If the 2nd option happens you are torn to put in a qb that played up to his potential or the guy making his money and starting all over again.

Either way, Carolina comes out looking bad here. Do the smart thing here and take Dareus or Peterson.

Its not gonna happen, they are taking Cam but I dont know what their hopes are for next year.

If you lack a franchise QB and have the opportunity to take a guy in the draft then take them and don't look back. Also don't ever look an entire year forward thinking that you will wind up selecting next year's stud at the top of the draft. Quote from an NFC head coach on the importance of not passing on a quarterback in this draft if you need one.

“If you have your eye on one, you won’t be able to wait until the next round to get him. And you can’t really count on trading up,” a high-ranking NFC personnel executive told FOXSports.com. “So, if you have your eye on a quarterback, you better go get him with that pick and not screw around, especially because the draft is before free agency and you really don’t know your other options at this point. It’s a bit different this year.”

The same thing happens every year where the top QB prospects look good until the process starts and then they get picked to death.

From Peter King's MMQB collumn.

I think this was the funniest thing I heard all week in putting together my mock draft. It came from a longtime pro personnel director: "By the time we get done looking at these guys, none of 'em can play.''

 

[Dr. Octopus]

/\ A few things.

Our opinion goes way beyond Grudens soundbite. That is just another example or icing on the cake if you will that Newton doesnt possess the intelligence to be a top pick QB.

There's a number of reasons why one could/should have their doubts about whether or not Newton will be a success, but where is this one coming from? I thought he scored above the average for QBs on the Wonderlic and he comes across as reasonably intelligent.Also since when was intelligence a prerequisite for NFL QB success? It's a tip that Dan Marino and Terry Bradshaw were slightly smarter than lamposts coming out of college.

Cam scored a 21, Jamarcus Russell scored a 24

So? That just shows that Russell may have been more intelligent - Russell failed because he was lazy.

Dan Marino and Jim Kelly each scored 15.

I looked it up afterwards, 21 is slightly below the average for QBs (24).

Totally different era dude.

Was intelligence different in the 80s and 90s? I'm not sure what your implication is.Kelly and Marino both ran very complex offenses.

If you want some more modern examples of QBs that scored close to or less than Newton and have been successful in the NFL:

Brett Favre 22

Tim Tewbow 22

Donovan McNabb 14

Ben Roethlisberger 25

Mike Vick 20

Chad Pennington 25

Bottom line is that Newton isn't "too dumb" to play QB in the NFL and not sure why anyone would say that. Even if you want to offer his offense at Auburn was simplistic - that isn't a reflection on him.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

/\ A few things.Our opinion goes way beyond Grudens soundbite. That is just another example or icing on the cake if you will that Newton doesnt possess the intelligence to be a top pick QB.

There's a number of reasons why one could/should have their doubts about whether or not Newton will be a success, but where is this one coming from? I thought he scored above the average for QBs on the Wonderlic and he comes across as reasonably intelligent.Also since when was intelligence a prerequisite for NFL QB success? It's a tip that Dan Marino and Terry Bradshaw were slightly smarter than lamposts coming out of college.

Cam scored a 21, Jamarcus Russell scored a 24

So? That just shows that Russell may have been more intelligent - Russell failed because he was lazy.Dan Marino and Jim Kelly each scored 15.I looked it up afterwards, 21 is slightly below the average for QBs (24).

So you're saying Cam has below average intelligence...Because I know you aren't trying to compare his future to Marino and Kelly, by siting wonderlic... At least if you're going to try, you need to admit he's more likely a Russell, then a Marino or Kelly...

 

[Barry Foster]

Excuse me if someone mentioned this before, I skimmed most of the posts but not all.

Two points.

1)As someone else said, Carolina will most assuredly NOT have the #1 pick next year to take Andrew Luck. Carolina had a lot of injuries this year and will most assuredly not be 2-14 again. A couple of fluke games and they are picking 4-5-6 area. (I could see them being like 6-10, 7-9 even with the injuries they had, even with Claussen at QB).

2)Are we even sure Andrew Luck will be the #1 can't miss QB prospect next year? Yeah, I know Luck is like the greatest qb prospect we've seen in a while. But, remember a few things. Who WOULDN'T take Jake Locker #1 overall last year? I also remember when Matt Leinart was going to be the surefire #1 prospect, and then he stayed in school and fell to #10. I'm not saying Andrew Luck won't be good, I'm just saying people can easily slip and this time next year we may not be talking about Andrew Luck going #1 overall.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

/\ A few things.Our opinion goes way beyond Grudens soundbite. That is just another example or icing on the cake if you will that Newton doesnt possess the intelligence to be a top pick QB.

There's a number of reasons why one could/should have their doubts about whether or not Newton will be a success, but where is this one coming from? I thought he scored above the average for QBs on the Wonderlic and he comes across as reasonably intelligent.Also since when was intelligence a prerequisite for NFL QB success? It's a tip that Dan Marino and Terry Bradshaw were slightly smarter than lamposts coming out of college.

Cam scored a 21, Jamarcus Russell scored a 24

So? That just shows that Russell may have been more intelligent - Russell failed because he was lazy.Dan Marino and Jim Kelly each scored 15.I looked it up afterwards, 21 is slightly below the average for QBs (24).

So you're saying Cam has below average intelligence...Because I know you aren't trying to compare his future to Marino and Kelly, by siting wonderlic... At least if you're going to try, you need to admit he's more likely a Russell, then a Marino or Kelly...

I'm not sure if you're purposely just trying to be difficult - but it's quite obvious I wasn't trying to compare his future to Marino and Kelly's based on wonderlic scores. The only purpose for listing them was to show those criticizing Newton's intelligence and what it means for his prospects are off base.As to your second "point" I won't pretend that I know what the future holds for Newton, but if I had to guess I'd say it's somewhere in the middle. Frankly I'm not sure what Russell has to do with Newton as they aren't even close to being similiar QBs - Russell was about as mobile as Marino. Russell's pro career was ruined by laziness, lack of a serious work ethic and then off field issues.To be more accurate in what I see for Newton, and try to compare him to QBs that have similiar skill sets, I'd say his career will fall somewhere in between what Ben Roethlisberger has done and will do (minus the SuperBowls, which will depend what organization he ends up with) and Daunte Culpepper's overall career (some really good years, some really bad years).

 

[jabarony]

That still doesnt make him prepared to be the #1 pick overall.Cam has bust written all over him and this is like watching a trainwreck in super slow motion. Only its my team that its happening to.I will ask this to any of the Newton believers. What is his best case scenario? Who could you compare him to that he may eventually become? Because I can rattle off about 5 names without doing any research of guys just like him that have failed miserably.

Sorry to say I agree with you. Newton is as sure-fire a bust as I've ever seen as the likely #1 (maybe tied with Jamarcus). I don't follow the Panthers that closely, but this GM looks like he's trying to win a bet with Matt Millen.Weak QB in a weak QB class. Newton or not, the Panthers are bound to be picking top 10 again next year. I'd take my chances with the 3rd best QB next year in what one can presume will be a better QB class (how could it not be?).

 

[cowboymouth]

talented or not, smarts or not... Mike Shula is the QB coach in Carolina. Run away from drafting a QB who is tutored by Shula.

 

[pantherclub]

talented or not, smarts or not... Mike Shula is the QB coach in Carolina. Run away from drafting a QB who is tutored by Shula.

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