When is enough enough with Millen? (1 Viewer)

[tombonneau]

First & second round picks of the last few years (courtesy of the great http://www.pro-football-reference.com/draft/det.htm)

2.34 Kalimba Edwards - CUT

1.30 Kevin Jones (didn't they trade back into the 1st for him?) - CUT

1.03 Harrington - CUT

1.10 Mike Williams - Sold $0.03 on the $1.00

1.02 Charles Rogers - CUT and out of football for years

2.34 Boss Bailey - Gone (cut? or just a FA?)

That's a pretty brutal track record of the 1st & (top of) 2nd round. Roy Williams is the only guy performing at his draft level.

It bears repeating for the millionth time: How does Matt Millen still have a job?

 

[scott72]

First & second round picks of the last few years (courtesy of the great http://www.pro-football-reference.com/draft/det.htm)

2.34 Kalimba Edwards - CUT

1.30 Kevin Jones (didn't they trade back into the 1st for him?) - CUT

1.03 Harrington - CUT

1.10 Mike Williams - Sold $0.03 on the $1.00

1.02 Charles Rogers - CUT and out of football for years

2.34 Boss Bailey - Gone (cut? or just a FA?)

That's a pretty brutal track record of the 1st & (top of) 2nd round. Roy Williams is the only guy performing at his draft level.

It bears repeating for the millionth time: How does Matt Millen still have a job?

As a Packer fan I'm glad he's still employed. I was happy when Mike Tice was in Minny, now I'm happy Chilly is there..

 

[RC94]

Hasn't it been something like 8 years now? It's truly amazing that he has been with the team for so long.

 

[Kleck]

He just needs more time.

 

[grind]

First & second round picks of the last few years (courtesy of the great http://www.pro-football-reference.com/draft/det.htm)

2.34 Kalimba Edwards - CUT

1.30 Kevin Jones (didn't they trade back into the 1st for him?) - CUT

1.03 Harrington - CUT

1.10 Mike Williams - Sold $0.03 on the $1.00

1.02 Charles Rogers - CUT and out of football for years

2.34 Boss Bailey - Gone (cut? or just a FA?)

That's a pretty brutal track record of the 1st & (top of) 2nd round. Roy Williams is the only guy performing at his draft level.

It bears repeating for the millionth time: How does Matt Millen still have a job?

The sad thing is, these are his better picks. I always get a kick out of watching football and the television showing me a guy making plays that was drafted in the fourth, fifth, sixth plus rounds. For as bad as Millen's first and second round picks have been, his later picks are even worse. Most don't even make it out of training camp. Can't even get special team contributors in those rounds.

 

[Capella]

Stop signing Bucs castoffs already. It's embarrassing. Jesus.

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

You know what's funny, part of the reason why I would NEVER buy a Ford car is because of the way they run their football team. I can't imagine their other business/product is any better. The Lions franchise is almost like a big costly advertisement saying, "Hey everybody, we Fords are clowns!"

 

[Max Power]

It is depressing...I had to turn to the booze tonight. Jones and Williams are fun to watch, but I can only assume Williams will be next out the door.

I remember reading how Jones and Willams would joke about both wanting out of Detroit real bad, and both had contracts that expired the same year. Knowing the Lions could only franchise one, they would both root for the other to do better in hopes of not getting the Tag...

I seriously smell a trade for McFadden coming...

 

[TD5150]

I read somewhere that the Lions winning percentage during the Millen era (8 years) is the worst winning percentage for ANY sports team during any 8 years stretch.

Look it up, pick any teams 8 years stretch starting at any time and the Millen Lions will have a worse winning percent!!

The really sad part is that the Fords are as loyal as owners come, Millen will have his job until HE decides he no longer wants it.

One last thing, if the Lions were going to cut K. Jones why not do it two or three weeks ago when they could still make a run at J. Jones?

This organization is a joke!

 

[thatguythere]

I read somewhere that the Lions winning percentage during the Millen era (8 years) is the worst winning percentage for ANY sports team during any 8 years stretch. Look it up, pick any teams 8 years stretch starting at any time and the Millen Lions will have a worse winning percent!!The really sad part is that the Fords are as loyal as owners come, Millen will have his job until HE decides he no longer wants it.One last thing, if the Lions were going to cut K. Jones why not do it two or three weeks ago when they could still make a run at J. Jones?This organization is a joke!

31 and 81 since Millen took over. KJ is overated.

 

[FairWarning]

Yes KJ has been hurt - alot. You would think that Millen would draft some linemen to protect his investments. The biggest difference between the Lions and the Bears is the draft philosophy. The Bears will draft someone in the later rounds if they think they can help on ST. It is a 1/3rd of the game.

 

[Godsbrother]

You know what's funny, part of the reason why I would NEVER buy a Ford car is because of the way they run their football team. I can't imagine their other business/product is any better. The Lions franchise is almost like a big costly advertisement saying, "Hey everybody, we Fords are clowns!"

This has nothing to do with their car business. It is common knowledge that Millen has incriminating pictures of the Ford family. He'll never be fired.

 

[RoosterScott]

As a Bears fan I support the moves of one Matt Millen. Have the fun of watching the draft is laughing at the Li-down's picks. What's this I hear...they're looking at WR again. SOLID

 

[Coogar]

Ernie Sims was a decent pick in 2006. I guess everyone gets lucky once in a while.

 

[LionsFan78]

Ernie Sims was a decent pick in 2006. I guess everyone gets lucky once in a while.

That's just the thing. After so many years of high draft picks, it'd be nice to have more than 1 or 2 "decent picks" to show for it.

 

[FUBAR]

First & second round picks of the last few years (courtesy of the great http://www.pro-football-reference.com/draft/det.htm)

2.34 Kalimba Edwards - CUT

1.30 Kevin Jones (didn't they trade back into the 1st for him?) - CUT

1.03 Harrington - CUT

1.10 Mike Williams - Sold $0.03 on the $1.00

1.02 Charles Rogers - CUT and out of football for years

2.34 Boss Bailey - Gone (cut? or just a FA?)

That's a pretty brutal track record of the 1st & (top of) 2nd round. Roy Williams is the only guy performing at his draft level.

It bears repeating for the millionth time: How does Matt Millen still have a job?

The sad thing is, these are his better picks. I always get a kick out of watching football and the television showing me a guy making plays that was drafted in the fourth, fifth, sixth plus rounds. For as bad as Millen's first and second round picks have been, his later picks are even worse. Most don't even make it out of training camp. Can't even get special team contributors in those rounds.

I went here to show where you're wrong. I mean, every team gets a producer late in the draft at some point. Sadly, no. You're correct - this must be embarrassing for the proud people of Detroit. Good thing their other 3 teams have been very good recently.

 

[thatguythere]

As a Bears fan I support the moves of one Matt Millen. Have the fun of watching the draft is laughing at the Li-down's picks. What's this I hear...they're looking at WR again. SOLID

So what are the Bears doing for receivers this year? and while we're at it what are they doing about someone throwing the ball to said receivers. You must be down right embarrassed to be talking all this smack about the Lions when your team lost to them twice last year.

 

[Arm Chair Express]

As a Bears fan I support the moves of one Matt Millen. Have the fun of watching the draft is laughing at the Li-down's picks. What's this I hear...they're looking at WR again. SOLID

So what are the Bears doing for receivers this year? and while we're at it what are they doing about someone throwing the ball to said receivers. You must be down right embarrassed to be talking all this smack about the Lions when your team lost to them twice last year.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The answer to the question is "When William Clay Ford dies."

 

[scrumptrulescent]

I'm convinced now the only way anything happens is if Lions fans say enough. Make it hurt enough in their pocket books and you'll finally see action.

I feel bad for Lions fans but it's evident the management isn't going to do anything, and the fans are still selling the place out so the onus is ultimately on them.

 

[King of the Wolfies]

Ernie Sims was a decent pick in 2006. I guess everyone gets lucky once in a while.

even a broken clock is right twice a day

 

[bcr8f]

First & second round picks of the last few years (courtesy of the great http://www.pro-football-reference.com/draft/det.htm)

It bears repeating for the millionth time: How does Matt Millen still have a job?

Us Packer fans have the goods on Mr Ford.

 

[CalBear]

I read somewhere that the Lions winning percentage during the Millen era (8 years) is the worst winning percentage for ANY sports team during any 8 years stretch. Look it up, pick any teams 8 years stretch starting at any time and the Millen Lions will have a worse winning percent!!The really sad part is that the Fords are as loyal as owners come, Millen will have his job until HE decides he no longer wants it.One last thing, if the Lions were going to cut K. Jones why not do it two or three weeks ago when they could still make a run at J. Jones?This organization is a joke!

31 and 81 since Millen took over. KJ is overated.

31 and 81 is bad, but it's not the worst ever. The Bucs were 27 and 84 from 1985 to 1991. Of course, the Bucs during that time were the reference for "worst franchise in football".

 

[Pictus Cat]

As a Bears fan I support the moves of one Matt Millen. Have the fun of watching the draft is laughing at the Li-down's picks. What's this I hear...they're looking at WR again. SOLID

So what are the Bears doing for receivers this year? and while we're at it what are they doing about someone throwing the ball to said receivers. You must be down right embarrassed to be talking all this smack about the Lions when your team lost to them twice last year.

Should be a good year to get together with my Detroit Fan friends to watch some games. It's not every year the Lions are competitive relative to Chicago.

 

[Pictus Cat]

I read somewhere that the Lions winning percentage during the Millen era (8 years) is the worst winning percentage for ANY sports team during any 8 years stretch. Look it up, pick any teams 8 years stretch starting at any time and the Millen Lions will have a worse winning percent!!The really sad part is that the Fords are as loyal as owners come, Millen will have his job until HE decides he no longer wants it.One last thing, if the Lions were going to cut K. Jones why not do it two or three weeks ago when they could still make a run at J. Jones?This organization is a joke!

31 and 81 since Millen took over. KJ is overated.

31 and 81 is bad, but it's not the worst ever. The Bucs were 27 and 84 from 1985 to 1991. Of course, the Bucs during that time were the reference for "worst franchise in football".

So what kind of record is Detroit aiming at to prevent sliding below Tampa's record this year. You got to have goals.

 

[grind]

First & second round picks of the last few years (courtesy of the great http://www.pro-football-reference.com/draft/det.htm)

2.34 Kalimba Edwards - CUT

1.30 Kevin Jones (didn't they trade back into the 1st for him?) - CUT

1.03 Harrington - CUT

1.10 Mike Williams - Sold $0.03 on the $1.00

1.02 Charles Rogers - CUT and out of football for years

2.34 Boss Bailey - Gone (cut? or just a FA?)

That's a pretty brutal track record of the 1st & (top of) 2nd round. Roy Williams is the only guy performing at his draft level.

It bears repeating for the millionth time: How does Matt Millen still have a job?

The sad thing is, these are his better picks. I always get a kick out of watching football and the television showing me a guy making plays that was drafted in the fourth, fifth, sixth plus rounds. For as bad as Millen's first and second round picks have been, his later picks are even worse. Most don't even make it out of training camp. Can't even get special team contributors in those rounds.

I went here to show where you're wrong. I mean, every team gets a producer late in the draft at some point. Sadly, no. You're correct - this must be embarrassing for the proud people of Detroit. Good thing their other 3 teams have been very good recently.

It's pathetic. I guess Cory Redding in the third could be considered a late round pick although most teams have many third round picks that play. Outside of that pick, there isn't a single 3rd through 7th round pick that does anything significant (including special teams).

 

[scrumptrulescent]

I thought they were somewhat pleased with Scott, the tackle from Texas, taken in the 5th round of the 2006 draft. Wasn't he getting playing time? Also Kelly Butler, T from Purdue, taken in the 6th round of the 2004 draft.

 

[thatguythere]

I read somewhere that the Lions winning percentage during the Millen era (8 years) is the worst winning percentage for ANY sports team during any 8 years stretch. Look it up, pick any teams 8 years stretch starting at any time and the Millen Lions will have a worse winning percent!!The really sad part is that the Fords are as loyal as owners come, Millen will have his job until HE decides he no longer wants it.One last thing, if the Lions were going to cut K. Jones why not do it two or three weeks ago when they could still make a run at J. Jones?This organization is a joke!

31 and 81 since Millen took over. KJ is overated.

31 and 81 is bad, but it's not the worst ever. The Bucs were 27 and 84 from 1985 to 1991. Of course, the Bucs during that time were the reference for "worst franchise in football".

So what kind of record is Detroit aiming at to prevent sliding below Tampa's record this year. You got to have goals.

Millen is planning on winning every game for the next three years and running his overall record to 79-81.

 

[QuizGuy66]

I read somewhere that the Lions winning percentage during the Millen era (8 years) is the worst winning percentage for ANY sports team during any 8 years stretch. Look it up, pick any teams 8 years stretch starting at any time and the Millen Lions will have a worse winning percent!!The really sad part is that the Fords are as loyal as owners come, Millen will have his job until HE decides he no longer wants it.One last thing, if the Lions were going to cut K. Jones why not do it two or three weeks ago when they could still make a run at J. Jones?This organization is a joke!

31 and 81 since Millen took over. KJ is overated.

31 and 81 is bad, but it's not the worst ever. The Bucs were 27 and 84 from 1985 to 1991. Of course, the Bucs during that time were the reference for "worst franchise in football".

Aha, but that's not even the Bucs worst stretch. They were 26-85 from 1983 to 1989 -QG

 

[skillz]

I'm convinced now the only way anything happens is if Lions fans say enough. Make it hurt enough in their pocket books and you'll finally see action. I feel bad for Lions fans but it's evident the management isn't going to do anything, and the fans are still selling the place out so the onus is ultimately on them.

I agree. As long as the Lions keep selling out Ford Field every game and continue to make a profit then there is really no huge incentive for the team to make a change. William Clay Ford is more interested in making money off the Lions than winning a championship. Of course, the Lions just raised ticket prices this year from $70 to $90 per seat I believe and from the people I have talked to they are still going to bite the bullet and pay the higher ticket price again. So, I think business will continue as usual until the fans become fed up and Ford starts to lose some money due to the poor product he putting on the field.

 

[Da Guru]

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[Andy Dufresne]

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"I spent money on a Lions ticket. How dumb am I?"

 

[scrumptrulescent]

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"I spent money on a Lions ticket. How dumb am I?"

He's not dumb, he's a martyr.

 

[Couch Potato]

When Millen was a player for the 49ers, he was a solid LB who was the type who would keep ramming his head against a brick wall until he busted through, but I never thought of him as very bright.

Then he was a color commentator on one of the networks, and I really never thought of him as very bright.

Then I heard word-of-mouth at work one day that the Lions hired him as their GM. I laughed, and honestly thought the guy was joking. Millen was one of the last people I'd ever think would be qualified to land that type of job. When I learned it was true I still could hardly believe it. To me, it's about like making Merrill Hoge a GM.

Now, eight years, countless MAJOR draft and salary cap blunders later, and with a horrendous W/L track record, the guy still sits in his chair collecting millions to mess things up.

Obviously the Ford family just doesn't care about winning. There can be no other explanation, because even stupid people who cared would have made a change by now. I'm sorry Lions fans, but your owners only care about the value of their franchise going up, and in today's financial world a rising NFL tide raises all boats. As long as the Fords don't care, Millen will survive.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

When Millen was a player for the 49ers, he was a solid LB who was the type who would keep ramming his head against a brick wall until he busted through, but I never thought of him as very bright.

Then he was a color commentator on one of the networks, and I really never thought of him as very bright.

Then I heard word-of-mouth at work one day that the Lions hired him as their GM. I laughed, and honestly thought the guy was joking. Millen was one of the last people I'd ever think would be qualified to land that type of job. When I learned it was true I still could hardly believe it. To me, it's about like making Merrill Hoge a GM.

Now, eight years, countless MAJOR draft and salary cap blunders later, and with a horrendous W/L track record, the guy still sits in his chair collecting millions to mess things up.

Obviously the Ford family just doesn't care about winning. There can be no other explanation, because even stupid people who cared would have made a change by now. I'm sorry Lions fans, but your owners only care about the value of their franchise going up, and in today's financial world a rising NFL tide raises all boats. As long as the Fords don't care, Millen will survive.

You're giving Merrill Hoge a bad name. Merrill would damn sure have a "factor back" on his roster while Millsy's got Calhoun and Aveion Cason.

 

[TD5150]

I read somewhere that the Lions winning percentage during the Millen era (8 years) is the worst winning percentage for ANY sports team during any 8 years stretch. Look it up, pick any teams 8 years stretch starting at any time and the Millen Lions will have a worse winning percent!!The really sad part is that the Fords are as loyal as owners come, Millen will have his job until HE decides he no longer wants it.One last thing, if the Lions were going to cut K. Jones why not do it two or three weeks ago when they could still make a run at J. Jones?This organization is a joke!

31 and 81 since Millen took over. KJ is overated.

31 and 81 is bad, but it's not the worst ever. The Bucs were 27 and 84 from 1985 to 1991. Of course, the Bucs during that time were the reference for "worst franchise in football".

That's a good point, now that I think about it more I believe the article was written before last year. So I bet Millen's first 7 years on the job is the worst winning percentage for any team during any 7 year window.

 

[tombonneau]

I wish I could figure out a way to lure Millen into a high stakes fantasy league ...

 

[grind]

I thought they were somewhat pleased with Scott, the tackle from Texas, taken in the 5th round of the 2006 draft. Wasn't he getting playing time? Also Kelly Butler, T from Purdue, taken in the 6th round of the 2004 draft.

Kelly Butler isn't on the team. I think he got cut a couple years ago. Think he may be on the Browns roster according to ESPN's site. As for Scott, he was picked in the 2006 draft (two season's ago) and according to the game log on ESPN, he "did not play" in any game thus far.