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When owners drop good players (1 Viewer)

:own3d: I dont think there's anything wrong with trying to get 12 owners who make the league as competitive as possible. I guess thats just my line of thinking though. If the other 11 owners were idiots and I was the only smart one the league wouldnt be very fun.
In your opinion he made a bad move. This does not mean that it was a bad move. As a commish your only job is to enforce the rules of the league, and make sure the website works right. Its not your job to judge other teams player management, this is why everyone is ripping on you.
 
Very :own3d: I don't get where people get off trying to manage other people's teams. In addition to that you have to wonder about the quality of a league when someone is dropping Ward for Washington. :lmao:
So is my league too competitive because Im looking for reasons to kick out an incompetent owner or low quality cuz someone dropped Ward for Washington?
 
:own3d: I dont think there's anything wrong with trying to get 12 owners who make the league as competitive as possible. I guess thats just my line of thinking though. If the other 11 owners were idiots and I was the only smart one the league wouldnt be very fun.
In your opinion he made a bad move. This does not mean that it was a bad move. As a commish your only job is to enforce the rules of the league, and make sure the website works right. Its not your job to judge other teams player management, this is why everyone is ripping on you.
:lmao: Theres like 2 people ripping me. Where do you get everyone? :lmao: And I DIDNT DO ANY ACTIONS REGARDING THIS MOVE! I just started a stupid thread on a fantasy football message board. Talk about overreacting. And its not my job to judge other moves but as a league owner I can have any opinion I want.
 
Very :goodposting: I don't get where people get off trying to manage other people's teams. In addition to that you have to wonder about the quality of a league when someone is dropping Ward for Washington. :shrug:
So is my league too competitive because Im looking for reasons to kick out an incompetent owner or low quality cuz someone dropped Ward for Washington?
As a commish you shouldn't kick someone out because of player moves....you can think its a crap move..but thats your opinion. Your opinion does not = fact. I think its a dumb move too. But I wouldn't try to kick someone out because they made that move. I wouldn't complain about it. You need to understand that its their team, they paid the money.
 
:shrug: at people calling me out on my commish skills cuz I started a thread on a fantasy football message board. Its not like I did anything regarding this drop.
It doesnt matter if you did anything, its the problem of your thinking. Your just waiting in the wings to pounce, because for some reason you dont think he is up to your standards. Not everyone is a shark, some guppies like to play because they find enjoyment out of it, and are not in it to compete. This guy has done nothing to disrobe the integrity of this league, yet your just itching to replace him. That right there calls in your commisioner skills. If your that kinda commisioner get rid of all the last place finishers, then replace them with owners that pass your test. Interview them and see how great their knowledge of the game is. Place scenarios "Your team is 3-1, and your slacking at wide reciever what do you do?" If there answer is drop Hines Ward, then most likely they failed the interview.
:goodposting: I dont think there's anything wrong with trying to get 12 owners who make the league as competitive as possible. I guess thats just my line of thinking though. If the other 11 owners were idiots and I was the only smart one the league wouldnt be very fun.
There is nothing wrong with making competitve, but what are you going to tell the other owners, I kicked this guy out of the league becasue he dropped Ward? Id would then tell myself, Id better watch every move I make, or im going to be next, now what kind of fun is that? It isnt, Id be looking for another league.
This guy has 2 years of nonsensical moves that ruin the integrity of any league. Most of the other owners already called me today to complain about him dropping Ward so its basically a leaguewide consensus that we look for another owner next year. Please note this is the first and only owner we ever kicked out for making bad moves. We kicked out one previous owner for basically being an #######.
 
This moron owner in my league (yes the same idiot owner as before http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...owtopic=349091) just dropped Hines Ward for Nate Washington. His other WRs are Drew Carter, Anthony Gonzalez, Harrison, & Jenkins so he had other options to drop. Anyway, the bext team in my league has all their bid money and will bid it all on Ward making his team hard to beat. That being said theres nothing I can do as commish but suck it up right?
:goodposting: Maybe its just your choice of words, but I read this to mean. Is there something I can do to stop this guy?
 
Very :goodposting: I don't get where people get off trying to manage other people's teams. In addition to that you have to wonder about the quality of a league when someone is dropping Ward for Washington. :shrug:
So is my league too competitive because Im looking for reasons to kick out an incompetent owner or low quality cuz someone dropped Ward for Washington?
As a commish you shouldn't kick someone out because of player moves....you can think its a crap move..but thats your opinion. Your opinion does not = fact. I think its a dumb move too. But I wouldn't try to kick someone out because they made that move. I wouldn't complain about it. You need to understand that its their team, they paid the money.
Why not? I dont understand this line of thinking. If half the league wants him out why not?
 
This moron owner in my league (yes the same idiot owner as before http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...owtopic=349091) just dropped Hines Ward for Nate Washington. His other WRs are Drew Carter, Anthony Gonzalez, Harrison, & Jenkins so he had other options to drop. Anyway, the bext team in my league has all their bid money and will bid it all on Ward making his team hard to beat. That being said theres nothing I can do as commish but suck it up right?
:goodposting: Maybe its just your choice of words, but I read this to mean. Is there something I can do to stop this guy?
Well then you read into wrong. Im basically saying as a commish theres nothing I can do. Just making sure there werent any interesting ideas. I mean I even forwarded this guy rotoworld's link to help him out on lineup decisions, injuries, and waiver moves. Its not like Im not trying to help him out.
 
This guy has 2 years of nonsensical moves that ruin the integrity of any league. Most of the other owners already called me today to complain about him dropping Ward so its basically a leaguewide consensus that we look for another owner next year. Please note this is the first and only owner we ever kicked out for making bad moves. We kicked out one previous owner for basically being an #######.
Just don't ask him back :goodposting: We have a rule that if someone finishes 0-14 (14 regular season games) we do not ask them back. It actually happend once :shrug: but the guy wasn't active for 5 weeks at the end so it ended up being a good thing to lose him.
 
This guy has 2 years of nonsensical moves that ruin the integrity of any league. Most of the other owners already called me today to complain about him dropping Ward so its basically a leaguewide consensus that we look for another owner next year. Please note this is the first and only owner we ever kicked out for making bad moves. We kicked out one previous owner for basically being an #######.
Just don't ask him back :shrug: We have a rule that if someone finishes 0-14 (14 regular season games) we do not ask them back. It actually happend once :lmao: but the guy wasn't active for 5 weeks at the end so it ended up being a good thing to lose him.
:goodposting: Thats what Ive been saying all along and now youre agreeing with me? Anyway, last year I chalked it up to inexperience and I invited him back. This year he's making even worse decisions so i will be looking for another owner. Its for the betterment of the league.
 
This moron owner in my league (yes the same idiot owner as before http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...owtopic=349091) just dropped Hines Ward for Nate Washington. His other WRs are Drew Carter, Anthony Gonzalez, Harrison, & Jenkins so he had other options to drop. Anyway, the bext team in my league has all their bid money and will bid it all on Ward making his team hard to beat. That being said theres nothing I can do as commish but suck it up right?
:goodposting: Maybe its just your choice of words, but I read this to mean. Is there something I can do to stop this guy?
Well then you read into wrong. Im basically saying as a commish theres nothing I can do. Just making sure there werent any interesting ideas. I mean I even forwarded this guy rotoworld's link to help him out on lineup decisions, injuries, and waiver moves. Its not like Im not trying to help him out.
Sorry, I just didn't read it right. If there is not a way to lose the guy then thats a hard one to deal with. :shrug:
 
This guy has 2 years of nonsensical moves that ruin the integrity of any league. Most of the other owners already called me today to complain about him dropping Ward so its basically a leaguewide consensus that we look for another owner next year. Please note this is the first and only owner we ever kicked out for making bad moves. We kicked out one previous owner for basically being an #######.
Yeah, people have really called you out. But like you said, it's just a thread on a message board. Don't take it too serious.If you're going to kick him out then do it. I feel for you, I'm in a league at work where there are a couple of players so bad they ruin the entire league.I'd rather have an owner get better at FF. Maybe you should direct him here so he can start a thread like, "Should I drop Ward for Washington?" in the AC.
 
:shrug: at people calling me out on my commish skills cuz I started a thread on a fantasy football message board. Its not like I did anything regarding this drop.
It doesnt matter if you did anything, its the problem of your thinking. Your just waiting in the wings to pounce, because for some reason you dont think he is up to your standards. Not everyone is a shark, some guppies like to play because they find enjoyment out of it, and are not in it to compete. This guy has done nothing to disrobe the integrity of this league, yet your just itching to replace him. That right there calls in your commisioner skills. If your that kinda commisioner get rid of all the last place finishers, then replace them with owners that pass your test. Interview them and see how great their knowledge of the game is. Place scenarios "Your team is 3-1, and your slacking at wide reciever what do you do?" If there answer is drop Hines Ward, then most likely they failed the interview.
:goodposting: I dont think there's anything wrong with trying to get 12 owners who make the league as competitive as possible. I guess thats just my line of thinking though. If the other 11 owners were idiots and I was the only smart one the league wouldnt be very fun.
There is nothing wrong with making competitve, but what are you going to tell the other owners, I kicked this guy out of the league becasue he dropped Ward? Id would then tell myself, Id better watch every move I make, or im going to be next, now what kind of fun is that? It isnt, Id be looking for another league.
This guy has 2 years of nonsensical moves that ruin the integrity of any league. Most of the other owners already called me today to complain about him dropping Ward so its basically a leaguewide consensus that we look for another owner next year. Please note this is the first and only owner we ever kicked out for making bad moves. We kicked out one previous owner for basically being an #######.
I dont see how making transactions ruin the integrity of the league. It just makes him less competitve. If someone like him is going to drop a soild player that means more gold for me. Basically, it comes down to two choices, drop him or let it ride, and dont worry about it. Homestly I dont know if your a good commish or not, I just believe your not doing the right thing here, but Im not in the mist of the action. Id have to be in the middle of it to see what you are going through.
 
I could see dropping Drew Carter first over Ward.

I am just a firm believer in letting Owners manage there teams the way they want too. He drops a player, you have a WW process in place, someone gets the dropped player.

And I do agree you would have seem some much different responses if it had been Harrison! lol

 
:goodposting: at people calling me out on my commish skills cuz I started a thread on a fantasy football message board. Its not like I did anything regarding this drop.
Resident ##### is the guy who is really getting called out for his commish skills.You are getting called out for your player evaluation skills.

ETA: How come Resident ##### can use ##### in his username but we can't use it to refer to him in a post? Might be time for me to explore a new alias.
Is there really a single person on here who can make an argument that Drew Carter is more valuable this year going forward than Hines Ward?
Which one is active on Sundays?
 
I'm considering dropping ward whats he good for when he does play 50 yards and a td every 3rd game. I don't need to drop him yet, but I can see someone dropping him. Its not 2004 anymore Ward hasnt doe much lately

 
So long as the addition of players to teams is strictly and fairly regulated (claims, waivers, a priority) then this is not an issue IMO. If it were Chad maybe.

 
OK so this guy made some crazy moves this week with some funny results. Just thought you guys would find this funny. After dropping Hines Ward he traded away Jamal Lewis & Heath Miller for Deshaun Foster & Wes Welker. He then traded away Marvin Harrison for Marshawn Lynch & one of the following WRs. When given a choice of Colston, Bowe, McDonald, Engram, and Stallworth he chose Stallworth and we all laughed saying he chose the worst one and now he's gotta start Welker and Stallworth in the same lineup. Well guess who's laughing now as his team scored the most points this week. I guess Ill just shut up complaining about his moves from now on.

 
Hines Ward was dropped in my league 2 around the same time.

Needless to say i dropped culpepper and used my waiver position to pick him up... hes hurt but hopefully after the bye week he will be able to play.

 
OK so this guy made some crazy moves this week with some funny results. Just thought you guys would find this funny. After dropping Hines Ward he traded away Jamal Lewis & Heath Miller for Deshaun Foster & Wes Welker. He then traded away Marvin Harrison for Marshawn Lynch & one of the following WRs. When given a choice of Colston, Bowe, McDonald, Engram, and Stallworth he chose Stallworth and we all laughed saying he chose the worst one and now he's gotta start Welker and Stallworth in the same lineup. Well guess who's laughing now as his team scored the most points this week. I guess Ill just shut up complaining about his moves from now on.
None of those moves above are crazy. Everyone has their idea of upside and/or players they want to root for. You might think Jamal's value drops if Brady Quinn gets thrown in at some point; you might prefer an every week RB to Harrison. You might 'feel' like R. Moss is going to get hurt (or NE will put up 5 TD/week), making Stallworth the best choice of those WRs.Bye weeks and injuries make people do weird things, esp this year.A guy dropped H. Ward in my PPR league for kicker Kris Brown...he has Vinatieri already (preparing for that bye in a few weeks? Who the hell knows). THAT was weird.
 
OK so this guy made some crazy moves this week with some funny results. Just thought you guys would find this funny. After dropping Hines Ward he traded away Jamal Lewis & Heath Miller for Deshaun Foster & Wes Welker. He then traded away Marvin Harrison for Marshawn Lynch & one of the following WRs. When given a choice of Colston, Bowe, McDonald, Engram, and Stallworth he chose Stallworth and we all laughed saying he chose the worst one and now he's gotta start Welker and Stallworth in the same lineup. Well guess who's laughing now as his team scored the most points this week. I guess Ill just shut up complaining about his moves from now on.
I've seen this type result so many times that I've learned to keep an open mind about trades others make.
 
Guppie owner in my league just dropped Javon Walker for D. Norcutt. Going to ask him "wtf over?" tomorrow at work. It could of been a mistake but I think he just gave up on him honestly. If he knowingly did it I'm thinking it should stand. I have the last WW pick so there's no way I'll benefit...

Good for the worst team in the league I guess?

 
This moron owner in my league (yes the same idiot owner as before http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...owtopic=349091) just dropped Hines Ward for Nate Washington. His other WRs are Drew Carter, Anthony Gonzalez, Harrison, & Jenkins so he had other options to drop. Anyway, the bext team in my league has all their bid money and will bid it all on Ward making his team hard to beat. That being said theres nothing I can do as commish but suck it up right?
The true question.. in fact, the only question.. the commissioner should ask is IS THE TEAM TRYING TO BETTER ITSELF? IMO, all league members have a obligation to do that. If the "idiot owner" is making any roster move to beter himself, the commissioner should not restict his action.
 
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This moron owner in my league (yes the same idiot owner as before http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...owtopic=349091) just dropped Hines Ward for Nate Washington. His other WRs are Drew Carter, Anthony Gonzalez, Harrison, & Jenkins so he had other options to drop. Anyway, the bext team in my league has all their bid money and will bid it all on Ward making his team hard to beat. That being said theres nothing I can do as commish but suck it up right?
The true question.. in fact, the only question.. the commissioner should ask is IS THE TEAM TRYING TO BETTER ITSELF? IMO, all league members have a obligation to do that. If the "idiot owner" is making any roster move to beter himself, the commissioner should not restict his action.
Sorry to bump a dead thread.I'm in a similar situation. I've never veto'd any trade or waiver move for the reasons that everyone in this thread has already mentioned. But today I had one of the new guys to my league drop Chad Johnson for Jeremy Shockey (TEs aren't required, they count as WRs).

This owner is not the brightest, but he spent 20% of his cap on CJ and could have dropped Randle El, Cooley, or Kenny Watson.

He's tied for last in his division. I don't know him well enough to know if he'd tank.

How 'open minded' are you other commish's really? Do you ever draw a line or do you let a guy drop LT for Brian Griese?

 
Wow, I just read through this whole thread. I think that Shady's last post is quite possibly the most valueable post out there, as it points out exactly why it is nobody's job to run a team but the owner's.

Player values are OPINION and OPINION only. Someone mentioned earlier that someone dropped Joe Horn for Colston last season. Now... what if the commish had stepped in to protect this "foolish" owner from his own "stupidity". Guess who looks like a JACK### now?

It's every owner's right and privilege to run their team as they wish, using whatever system of analysis and decision-making that they want. If I want to prove that running my team via the roll of a die, darts on a target, guidance of the stars, or the position of finger bones in chicken blood, is the best way, it's my right to do so.

If you can't predict the future, the only thing as a commissioner that you can possibly do (or want to do) is to simply confirm that they are trying to improve their team IN THEIR OPINION. Simply ask them, "Hey, this is an interesting move - whatcha got up your sleeve?" If the response supports a belief that they are trying to improve their team, then you need to support them.

Any league with rules (such as this or league vote on trades, etc.) which unnecesarily restrict owners from running their team in the fashion they want, is a league that i would not want to be a part of.

Free will, baby. It's for everyone!

 
This moron owner in my league (yes the same idiot owner as before http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...owtopic=349091) just dropped Hines Ward for Nate Washington. His other WRs are Drew Carter, Anthony Gonzalez, Harrison, & Jenkins so he had other options to drop. Anyway, the bext team in my league has all their bid money and will bid it all on Ward making his team hard to beat. That being said theres nothing I can do as commish but suck it up right?
The true question.. in fact, the only question.. the commissioner should ask is IS THE TEAM TRYING TO BETTER ITSELF? IMO, all league members have a obligation to do that. If the "idiot owner" is making any roster move to beter himself, the commissioner should not restict his action.
Sorry to bump a dead thread.I'm in a similar situation. I've never veto'd any trade or waiver move for the reasons that everyone in this thread has already mentioned. But today I had one of the new guys to my league drop Chad Johnson for Jeremy Shockey (TEs aren't required, they count as WRs).

This owner is not the brightest, but he spent 20% of his cap on CJ and could have dropped Randle El, Cooley, or Kenny Watson.

He's tied for last in his division. I don't know him well enough to know if he'd tank.

How 'open minded' are you other commish's really? Do you ever draw a line or do you let a guy drop LT for Brian Griese?
VETO!
 
Wow, I just read through this whole thread. I think that Shady's last post is quite possibly the most valueable post out there, as it points out exactly why it is nobody's job to run a team but the owner's.Player values are OPINION and OPINION only. Someone mentioned earlier that someone dropped Joe Horn for Colston last season. Now... what if the commish had stepped in to protect this "foolish" owner from his own "stupidity". Guess who looks like a JACK### now?It's every owner's right and privilege to run their team as they wish, using whatever system of analysis and decision-making that they want. If I want to prove that running my team via the roll of a die, darts on a target, guidance of the stars, or the position of finger bones in chicken blood, is the best way, it's my right to do so.If you can't predict the future, the only thing as a commissioner that you can possibly do (or want to do) is to simply confirm that they are trying to improve their team IN THEIR OPINION. Simply ask them, "Hey, this is an interesting move - whatcha got up your sleeve?" If the response supports a belief that they are trying to improve their team, then you need to support them.Any league with rules (such as this or league vote on trades, etc.) which unnecesarily restrict owners from running their team in the fashion they want, is a league that i would not want to be a part of.Free will, baby. It's for everyone!
That's great, and you've done a good job of repeating what about a dozen others have said in this thread, but you completely missed my point. This guy dropped Chad Johnson, not Hines Ward. Are you saying there is no line and you can never assume a team is tanking? What if he dropped Randy Moss for Shockey, is that cool? Or do you think that might compromise the competitive integrity of the league a tad?
 
Wow, I just read through this whole thread. I think that Shady's last post is quite possibly the most valueable post out there, as it points out exactly why it is nobody's job to run a team but the owner's.

Player values are OPINION and OPINION only. Someone mentioned earlier that someone dropped Joe Horn for Colston last season. Now... what if the commish had stepped in to protect this "foolish" owner from his own "stupidity". Guess who looks like a JACK### now?

It's every owner's right and privilege to run their team as they wish, using whatever system of analysis and decision-making that they want. If I want to prove that running my team via the roll of a die, darts on a target, guidance of the stars, or the position of finger bones in chicken blood, is the best way, it's my right to do so.

If you can't predict the future, the only thing as a commissioner that you can possibly do (or want to do) is to simply confirm that they are trying to improve their team IN THEIR OPINION. Simply ask them, "Hey, this is an interesting move - whatcha got up your sleeve?" If the response supports a belief that they are trying to improve their team, then you need to support them.

Any league with rules (such as this or league vote on trades, etc.) which unnecesarily restrict owners from running their team in the fashion they want, is a league that i would not want to be a part of.

Free will, baby. It's for everyone!
That's great, and you've done a good job of repeating what about a dozen others have said in this thread, but you completely missed my point. This guy dropped Chad Johnson, not Hines Ward. Are you saying there is no line and you can never assume a team is tanking? What if he dropped Randy Moss for Shockey, is that cool? Or do you think that might compromise the competitive integrity of the league a tad?
I'm sorry, I didn't know I was here just for you :football: , but you are correct. You can never assume someone is tanking. I've bolded the section in my post which would apply to your question. Simply ask them. Make them defend the choice. I agree that dropping Randy Moss for Shockey *looks* like tanking, so ask. Dropping Chad Johnson for Shockey may have been a knee-jerk reaction to his injury, so it's very possible that it might not be intentional tanking. Again, simply ask. Find out why they did what they did. Then make a decision on what to do.Good luck!!

 
Wow, I just read through this whole thread. I think that Shady's last post is quite possibly the most valueable post out there, as it points out exactly why it is nobody's job to run a team but the owner's.

Player values are OPINION and OPINION only. Someone mentioned earlier that someone dropped Joe Horn for Colston last season. Now... what if the commish had stepped in to protect this "foolish" owner from his own "stupidity". Guess who looks like a JACK### now?

It's every owner's right and privilege to run their team as they wish, using whatever system of analysis and decision-making that they want. If I want to prove that running my team via the roll of a die, darts on a target, guidance of the stars, or the position of finger bones in chicken blood, is the best way, it's my right to do so.

If you can't predict the future, the only thing as a commissioner that you can possibly do (or want to do) is to simply confirm that they are trying to improve their team IN THEIR OPINION. Simply ask them, "Hey, this is an interesting move - whatcha got up your sleeve?" If the response supports a belief that they are trying to improve their team, then you need to support them.

Any league with rules (such as this or league vote on trades, etc.) which unnecesarily restrict owners from running their team in the fashion they want, is a league that i would not want to be a part of.

Free will, baby. It's for everyone!
That's great, and you've done a good job of repeating what about a dozen others have said in this thread, but you completely missed my point. This guy dropped Chad Johnson, not Hines Ward. Are you saying there is no line and you can never assume a team is tanking? What if he dropped Randy Moss for Shockey, is that cool? Or do you think that might compromise the competitive integrity of the league a tad?
I'm sorry, I didn't know I was here just for you :lmao: , but you are correct. You can never assume someone is tanking. I've bolded the section in my post which would apply to your question. Simply ask them. Make them defend the choice. I agree that dropping Randy Moss for Shockey *looks* like tanking, so ask. Dropping Chad Johnson for Shockey may have been a knee-jerk reaction to his injury, so it's very possible that it might not be intentional tanking. Again, simply ask. Find out why they did what they did. Then make a decision on what to do.Good luck!!
I had to make a decision on Larry Johnson this week. Is he coming back? I say no, especially after Herm Edwards News conference. Reminds me of the Edge deal a few years back wehn he blew out his knee. Oh, he's not hurt, and he never played again. Took a roster spot to have ACL surgery. So, I dropped LJ for Warrick Dung. Pickings are thin at RB in our league, wher most of 12 teams roster 5. At soem point, njured players are not coming back. You have to judge that as an owner. Sometimew the owner is wrong? That's called a consequence. Don't try to legislate it.
OK so this guy made some crazy moves this week with some funny results. Just thought you guys would find this funny. After dropping Hines Ward he traded away Jamal Lewis & Heath Miller for Deshaun Foster & Wes Welker. He then traded away Marvin Harrison for Marshawn Lynch & one of the following WRs. When given a choice of Colston, Bowe, McDonald, Engram, and Stallworth he chose Stallworth and we all laughed saying he chose the worst one and now he's gotta start Welker and Stallworth in the same lineup. Well guess who's laughing now as his team scored the most points this week. I guess Ill just shut up complaining about his moves from now on.
Yeah, that might be a good idea. The trade to get Welker adn then Lynch to backfill the hole at RB looks good to me, especially in hindsight. Even when Marvin Comes back, he, Harrison and Welker will be comparable in production. As commish my guidelines were, did it break the rules? If it doesn't, it's not my business. You may think they were bad moves, but like you said, he had the most points. Maybe you should watch him for cues on player moves?

Back to the OP. This week Ward looks like the better play. Last week it was Washington. I don't think either has monster value going forward.

 

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