What the Grab your stud WR (MOSS) didn't give it away Sooner?
I read about half way through the first page before realizing this was a 2006 thread.
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When Sharks Swim with Guppies (1 Viewer)
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David Yudkin
Footballguy
A buddy of mine just got back from his 12-team draft and reviewed his team drafting from the 12 hole. I almost threw up. IIRC . . .
12 Gore
13 Alexander
36 Ocho Cinco
37 T.O.
60 McGahee
61 Evans
84 Palmer
85 Cooley
It got worse as he went along. Basically, he had one or two Top 5 guys at each spot with Top 10 guys backing them up at just about every position. Luckily for him people put up money for this thing and if he doesn't win I will be shocked.
12 Gore
13 Alexander
36 Ocho Cinco
37 T.O.
60 McGahee
61 Evans
84 Palmer
85 Cooley
It got worse as he went along. Basically, he had one or two Top 5 guys at each spot with Top 10 guys backing them up at just about every position. Luckily for him people put up money for this thing and if he doesn't win I will be shocked.
NinerK
Footballguy
What the Grab your stud WR (MOSS) didn't give it away Sooner?
LOL, that's what made me look at the date. Even still, in 2006 Moss=Stud WR Same hereWhat the Grab your stud WR (MOSS) didn't give it away Sooner?
NinerK
Footballguy
It's cool Bristol, I was laughing at myself for not noticing the date.Our league doesn't have any true guppies; but we get the occaisonal Tom Brady 1st rounder....12-team PPRWhat's interesting is most folks don't change up their strategy. There's 2 teams that always draft Manning and Brady/Palmer in R1. Then there's a few that ALWAYS go RB/WR and the rest go RB/RB/WR or RB/RB/RB. Rather predicable compared to your league and the one described in the new article.The artticle has been updated in the subscriber section for 2007.
NinerK
Footballguy
See, to me these kind of leagues just aren't that much fun. I mean they are kinda boring. Unless you have a couple of other good owners in the league to compete with.**ETA** I'm in a 12 team free CBS league with 3 other friends. I just traded away Driver for Holt......Someone dropped McNabb to pick up Grossman.......Not that much fun, but at least the competition between us for will be good. Especially when we're trading Driver for Holt and picking up McNabb on the WW.
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David Yudkin
Footballguy
I hear ya, which is why I can't stand being in them either. However, if people are willing to throw in money and they are easy pickings, it's almost stupid to not join them and get half your winter vacation paid for.
NinerK
Footballguy
Agreed on that point.
smcindoe
Footballguy
That's actually pretty surprising. I could see getting a somewhat under-the-radar guy like Cooley or even Evans well below their ADP. But guys like Johnson and Owens usually go early in guppy drafts, not late. And a stud QB like Palmer will almost never fall past the second round, let alone to the seventh.In the article, I write that "Guppies aren't stupid... The guppy is just as smart as you are. He just doesn't follow the standard fantasy shark gameplan". It sounds like your buddy was drafting with whatever you'd call the level below guppies. Plankton?
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
This article reminded me why some of us snag Portis up in this years draft knowing he will be fine come regular season and why some let him slide and past them up in their drafts.
Sweat Hog
Footballguy
Great article! Well written and I liked not getting bogged down in stats. It just made sense and really clicked with me.Thanks.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
From the way it was described, drafters hoarded players from their favorite teams. Homerism at its finest. So that meant Pats, Jets, Giants, Skins, Broncos, Steelers, Rams, and Eagles went quickly. IIRC, Tom Brady went before Manning did in the first round. Players from teams no one followed fell pretty far because nowhere cared about them in the first place. For some reason, DEF/ST went before some teams took their WRs.My buddy is a Cowboys fan and I believe he took Witten AND JJones with his next set of picks. Given that a couple guys love the G-men and Iggles, they would not be caught dead with a Cowboy on their rosters. This league is a bunch of casual fans not fantasy geeks. Most of them hadn't even thought about football since the SB and basically did very little research.smcindoe said:
a_troll00
Footballguy
Great article, very much like some drafts I've seen.
On these boards it seems like guppy and shark has morphed into these two definitions:
guppy - doesn't use Stud RB theory
shark - uses Stud RB theory religiously, this drafter relies on a strict draft script because "it works, don't tell me it doesn't"
At the end of the day, the greatest draft strategy is - let the draft come to you
A personal story of mine is from a draft a few weeks ago. In the first round Leinart and Vince Young came off the board. I wound up with T. Henry, Alexander, and R. Johnson the first three rounds (had a W/R flex position). Fourth round, Bulger was still on the board - no brainer. Fifth and Sixth rounds gave me Javon Walker and A. Johnson.
I committed a major "shark" sin, I drafted a QB before a WR. It worked out just fine.
Here's how you draft with "guppies": ditch the scripts
On these boards it seems like guppy and shark has morphed into these two definitions:
guppy - doesn't use Stud RB theory
shark - uses Stud RB theory religiously, this drafter relies on a strict draft script because "it works, don't tell me it doesn't"
At the end of the day, the greatest draft strategy is - let the draft come to you
A personal story of mine is from a draft a few weeks ago. In the first round Leinart and Vince Young came off the board. I wound up with T. Henry, Alexander, and R. Johnson the first three rounds (had a W/R flex position). Fourth round, Bulger was still on the board - no brainer. Fifth and Sixth rounds gave me Javon Walker and A. Johnson.
I committed a major "shark" sin, I drafted a QB before a WR. It worked out just fine.
Here's how you draft with "guppies": ditch the scripts
I refer to this article when drafting with a lot of people who post in the Shark Pool.
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
I just went through this experience yesterday
I landed up with Reggie Wayne, Lee Evans & Plaxico Burress at 3.08, 4.05 & 5.08 in a PPR, able to start 3 WRs league.
Someone picked Drew Brees at 3.07, leaving Reggie Wayne to me. Also notables were Bears defense at 4.04 and Ravens defense at 5.10
And of course kickers were flying off the board from round 8 onwards. I did not even draft a single kicker, so one guppie asked me:
Guppie: "Are you going to play without a K this year?"
Me: "No"
Guppie: "But you did not draft any?"
Me: "That does not mean I cannot get one by the time week 1 rolls in"
Guppie: "But you will be forced to play with a crappy K then"
Me: "Trust me, I will use the WW every week to change my kicker and at the end of the season, my K position will outscore your 8th round pick (Nate Kaeding)...happens every year"
Guppie: Silence....
I landed up with Reggie Wayne, Lee Evans & Plaxico Burress at 3.08, 4.05 & 5.08 in a PPR, able to start 3 WRs league.
Someone picked Drew Brees at 3.07, leaving Reggie Wayne to me. Also notables were Bears defense at 4.04 and Ravens defense at 5.10
And of course kickers were flying off the board from round 8 onwards. I did not even draft a single kicker, so one guppie asked me:
Guppie: "Are you going to play without a K this year?"
Me: "No"
Guppie: "But you did not draft any?"
Me: "That does not mean I cannot get one by the time week 1 rolls in"
Guppie: "But you will be forced to play with a crappy K then"
Me: "Trust me, I will use the WW every week to change my kicker and at the end of the season, my K position will outscore your 8th round pick (Nate Kaeding)...happens every year"
Guppie: Silence....
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
Thats what I thought, but it has worked the opposite. Portis was drafted 2. 4 and 2.7. When I asked the owners if they were worried about his knee, neither knew he had an injury at all!-This article reminded me why some of us snag Portis up in this years draft knowing he will be fine come regular season and why some let him slide and past them up in their drafts.
NinerK
Footballguy
Your Guppie now = Baby Shark
Bristol
Footballguy
It's on the home page. They may not have moved it to the articles section yet.did someone say there's a 2007 version of this ... i didn't see it in the articles section
smcindoe
Footballguy
Here's the direct link:http://subscribers.footballguys.com/2007/0...st_mcindoe1.phpdid someone say there's a 2007 version of this ... i didn't see it in the articles section
PsychoMan
Footballguy
Ahh, thanks & to Bristol too ..Here's the direct link:http://subscribers.footballguys.com/2007/0...st_mcindoe1.phpdid someone say there's a 2007 version of this ... i didn't see it in the articles section
