Where Does Brett Favre End Up? (1 Viewer)

[ScottyFargo]

i'm not even a favre fan.

maybe i'm just not seeing, what's favre doing that's out of line?

Constantly changing his mind. Giving his word in no uncertain terms, and then going back on it. This isn't like professional boxing where, if you unretire, you just schedule another match and start training. The team needs to plan and build a roster and manage cap space. The players need to know that Aaron Rodgers is or is not their leader for the year at QB. Etc.

This isn't that hard to understand, is it?

no, it's not hard to understand.as far as i can tell, favre isn't atttempting to stop the packers from doing any of those things, is he?

if his major crime is being unable to give up football, after making what looked like a convincing retirement announcement, then i stand by what i said. his image ain't taking a hit, unless football fans want to start crucifying players for (gasp) wanting to play football.

Except that being unable to quit playing football is part of his larger problem, which is his ego. It's largely gone unchecked due to his nationwide popularity thanks to getting a free pass on his actions for the better part of his career. Now that people are beginning to scrutinize just what type of a person would hurt the franchise he's helped turn around, the only obvious answer is the type of person who puts themselves before anything else.Packer fans are now starting to see that, and he's getting more flack for it. Obviously Packer fans SHOULD want Favre more than Rodgers on their team, but they have a hard time resolving that with Favre's behavior. They want it to stop so they can remember the good parts, where they didn't have to acknowledge that he was an egomaniacal diva. Now that he's not their egomaniacal diva the gloves are off.

 

[T Bell]

i'm not even a favre fan.

maybe i'm just not seeing, what's favre doing that's out of line?

Constantly changing his mind. Giving his word in no uncertain terms, and then going back on it. This isn't like professional boxing where, if you unretire, you just schedule another match and start training. The team needs to plan and build a roster and manage cap space. The players need to know that Aaron Rodgers is or is not their leader for the year at QB. Etc.

This isn't that hard to understand, is it?

no, it's not hard to understand.as far as i can tell, favre isn't atttempting to stop the packers from doing any of those things, is he?

if his major crime is being unable to give up football, after making what looked like a convincing retirement announcement, then i stand by what i said. his image ain't taking a hit, unless football fans want to start crucifying players for (gasp) wanting to play football.

Except that being unable to quit playing football is part of his larger problem, which is his ego. It's largely gone unchecked due to his nationwide popularity thanks to getting a free pass on his actions for the better part of his career. Now that people are beginning to scrutinize just what type of a person would hurt the franchise he's helped turn around, the only obvious answer is the type of person who puts themselves before anything else.Packer fans are now starting to see that, and he's getting more flack for it. Obviously Packer fans SHOULD want Favre more than Rodgers on their team, but they have a hard time resolving that with Favre's behavior. They want it to stop so they can remember the good parts, where they didn't have to acknowledge that he was an egomaniacal diva. Now that he's not their egomaniacal diva the gloves are off.

And it's even more amusing that this is the guy who made these statements about one of his own teammates only three short years ago:

"If Javon wants to know what his quarterback thinks, and I would think he might, I'd tell him he's going about this the wrong way," Favre said. "When his agent tells him not to worry about what his teammates think and all that stuff, I'd tell him I've been around a long time and that stuff will come back to haunt you."

"I would've never thought it would be a guy like Javon. I guess in this business nothing should surprise you, especially what happens when guys have a little bit of success. Some guys handle it the right way and some guys don't."

"Nowadays you're seeing more and more guys pulling that stunt," he said. "If guys continue to do that and are successful getting away with it, then I'll be gone, but I think the game will be ruined. My reaction to Javon's situation was 'Here we go again.'

"Javon has tremendous potential. We got to see some of that last year. The sky's the limit for that guy, and I'd be the first to defend him, but he's going about it the wrong way. What happened to honoring your contract and saying, 'Let's work as a team . . . ?"

"I sure hope the Packers don't give in to him. I don't sit up in the front office, and I don't talk to them — regardless of what people might think — and tell them who to draft and who not to draft. They don't ask me, and it's not my job. My job is to throw passes and be a leader.

"That's why I decided to speak up. I need to be a leader and even though I may not like having to do it, I think some things needed to be said."

"Whatever happened to buying into the team concept?"

"I'd just as soon go without him. He's a great player. I think he can help us. He's likeable and easy to get along with, but I'm guessing he's getting the wrong advice, and he's buying into that."

"I just don't see much good that can come from it. If it gets time for the start of training camp and he's not in, I think it'll start bothering him, and he'll be here. But once again, nothing should surprise you.

"We've got guys who'll give great effort. Stars are made that way. Look what happened when Sterling left. Robert Brooks stepped up. We can win without him."

 

[TS Garp]

The Jets could be an interesting destination. 2 good receivers, solid RB, good TE, highly upgraded offensive line...Favre would have something to work with there.

 

[pollardsvision]

maybe i'm just not seeing, what's favre doing that's out of line?

That's fair only because you're looking at it from the perspective of this season. Favre's been holding the franchise hostage for years, and the team finally got fed up because they can't make themselves look like asses for giving Rodgers the starting job instead of begging Favre to come back again. I agree, a player who's been with a team for so many years that obviously lost his spot ought to be released. That's not how it works in the NFL though. Lamont Jordon would like a release from the Raiders too (as opposed to being a bench warmer or being traded to a club he has no iterest in playing for), but it's not in their best interest to do so while they've got him locked up.

i realize it would've been nice if favre had made his decision a little quicker over the past few years, but where's the negative impact of that for the franchise?they haven't made stupid short term moves to pander to favre, they've done the opposite, right? they've been building a great young nucleus with assumption that favre is going to be gone at some point. you know what happens to QB's that try to develop before a decent foundation is set, right? rodgers is a lucky kid that favre hung around.

looks to me like their draft plan was not effected by favre. (they drafted 2 QBs this year under the assumption that favre is gone, but favre isn't asking to play for the pack anyway).

so, favre bridged that gap while this team got better at other positions. now, they have 2 young 1st round caliber QB's on the roster, one of which will likely be handed the reigns to a great roster for years to come.

with lamont jordan's situation, is it really that similar to favre's?

if lamont jordan was clearly the raiders best option at RB for this year and had been a raider for his entire career and was making $13 mill this year, then i guess it would be similar.

hey, if the packers want to treat favre like he's the 4th string RB for the oakland raiders, again, more power to them.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Packers GM, coach: No release, but Favre can return as backup

 

[pollardsvision]

i'm not even a favre fan.

maybe i'm just not seeing, what's favre doing that's out of line?

Constantly changing his mind. Giving his word in no uncertain terms, and then going back on it. This isn't like professional boxing where, if you unretire, you just schedule another match and start training. The team needs to plan and build a roster and manage cap space. The players need to know that Aaron Rodgers is or is not their leader for the year at QB. Etc.

This isn't that hard to understand, is it?

no, it's not hard to understand.as far as i can tell, favre isn't atttempting to stop the packers from doing any of those things, is he?

if his major crime is being unable to give up football, after making what looked like a convincing retirement announcement, then i stand by what i said. his image ain't taking a hit, unless football fans want to start crucifying players for (gasp) wanting to play football.

Except that being unable to quit playing football is part of his larger problem, which is his ego. It's largely gone unchecked due to his nationwide popularity thanks to getting a free pass on his actions for the better part of his career. Now that people are beginning to scrutinize just what type of a person would hurt the franchise he's helped turn around, the only obvious answer is the type of person who puts themselves before anything else.Packer fans are now starting to see that, and he's getting more flack for it. Obviously Packer fans SHOULD want Favre more than Rodgers on their team, but they have a hard time resolving that with Favre's behavior. They want it to stop so they can remember the good parts, where they didn't have to acknowledge that he was an egomaniacal diva. Now that he's not their egomaniacal diva the gloves are off.

clearly, we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one.i don't see how being indecisive is translated into having too big of an ego or not caring about the team. again, i'd love to know how favre's indecisiveness has hurt the club. was he trying to control the club? seeing as how they have the youngest team in the league, i'd doubt. he obviously had little effect on their draft strategy.

if anything, it's rare to see a team left in such good shape after a legend retires. i doubt that's possible if favre was doing what people around here seem to think.

now, i do agree, favre does have an ego.

i'd be curious to know about any great athlete that doesn't.

 

[salmonstud]

Favre will be watching football from his couch this Fall. The Packers will not release him. They will welcome him back as the #2 on the depth chart & Favre will refuse to accept this....so he will retire again. Packer nation will be split as to those that want Favre reinstated as the #1 and those that think Rodgers should be given a chance & Favre shouldn't get to keep skipping the mini-camps and playing the "I'm not sure what I want to do card." If you read between the lines of interviews and his smug comments...he likes an extra long break in the Summer lately and likes to return to the game after missing the meaningless mini-camps. I can't say as though I blame him, but it shows poor leadership. I'm not sure I would want a player leading my team that is ambivalent about playing the last few years.

 

[Bowbiejuke]

OTHER

ATLANTA FALCONS - RIGHT A MAJOR WRONG

by the way this is a complete joke because I am sick and tired of hearing how the Falcons traded away a Farve, who at the time was an out of control alcholic. He has said had he stayed in Altanta his career would have been short due to his excessive partying. The dude had 2 DUI's with in a month.

 

[TD5150]

Other: at sho nuff's house

"Who's the master?"

 

[Jimmy James]

I don't think Favre has done anything wrong. He's entitled to change his mind. The team shouldn't be counting on him to retire until he files papers, anyway. They know who they're dealing with and how he has struggled with this issue.

I also don't think it's wrong for the team to be selective about what they do with the rights to him, but they have to understand they don't hold all the cards. If they trade him to the Dolphins, he can very easily just retire. The Dolphins can trade him to the Vikings. If they release him, he can sign anywhere. If they keep him as a backup, Aaron Rodgers will hear a substantial number of boos with every incomplete pass. If they start him, they don't see what the kids can do.

There aren't any obvious solutions. As I mentioned before, I like the Ravens the best of the bunch. I don't think the Jets are close enough. The Chiefs also make a certain amount of sense. I think it does need to be an AFC team, though.

 

[Andy Herron]

Other (Redskins).

If, in fact, this situation does come to a trade situation, little Danny Snyder will be throwing everything he's got at the Packers for him. At least whatever it would take to outbid others. The Redskins are known for trading away their draft picks anyway.

I've got to think Danny is quitely sitting back and monitoring this situation. The move would actually make sense for Washington as well.

This or a similar phrase always seems to come out of peoples' mouths when they pull Redskins out of their "six" in conversations like this. You can count on one hand the number of teams that are less likely suitors for Favre's services this year than the Redskins.

Really? This was just reported a little over 2 hours ago, in regards to possible trade suitors-

A source close to the situation said Favre's value would be fairly high if a team's fans or owner started beating the drum for him to play for their team. The marketing possibilities would be huge for a team like Atlanta, Tampa Bay, the New York Jets or Washington, all of whom probably would have some interest in Favre.

http://blogs.jsonline.com/packers/archive/...talk-trade.aspx

There ya go. You heard it hear first.

ETA: Dan Snyder will have his hat in the ring soon enough.

 

[Andy Herron]

Looks like we can cross the Jets off the list-

Brett Favre came much closer to being a Jet in 1991 than he will in 2008. They have virtually ruled out pursuing him if the Packers trade or release him.

"It's a long shot right now that the Jets have any interest. I wouldn't spend any time on that," an NFL source familiar with the Jets' thinking told the Daily News Saturday. "I can't rule out 100% they won't have interest, but I would say it's 90%-95%. I would be very surprised if he wound up with the Jets."

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...rett_favre.html

Of the three remaining teams mentioned in the previous post (Atlanta, Tampa Bay and Washington), only the Redskins do not appear on the Packers schedule this season.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

If you believe that Farve isn't going to be a Packer, something I haven't been able to wrap my brain around yet, there's only 3 teams that have a shot at him considering salary cap.

Tampa Bay

Chicago

Minnesota

To think he's coming back, playing for less money for some team he has no connection with makes very little sense. It'll be retirement, back with Green Bay or with one of these 3 teams.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I don't think Favre has done anything wrong. He's entitled to change his mind. The team shouldn't be counting on him to retire until he files papers, anyway. They know who they're dealing with and how he has struggled with this issue.I also don't think it's wrong for the team to be selective about what they do with the rights to him, but they have to understand they don't hold all the cards. If they trade him to the Dolphins, he can very easily just retire. The Dolphins can trade him to the Vikings. If they release him, he can sign anywhere. If they keep him as a backup, Aaron Rodgers will hear a substantial number of boos with every incomplete pass. If they start him, they don't see what the kids can do. There aren't any obvious solutions. As I mentioned before, I like the Ravens the best of the bunch. I don't think the Jets are close enough. The Chiefs also make a certain amount of sense. I think it does need to be an AFC team, though.

I don't think he's done anything WRONG persay, but I don't know how you can say the team shouldn't be counting on him to retire after saying he's going to retire and says goodbye to everyone.Do you think they should have planned on him playing all along?Personally, I'd start whomever is better. I'd pull both guys in and say I'm going to start whomever is better. If Farve can't handle that, then he's not doing what's best for the team and then you don't need anyone that's not doing what's best for the team.

 

[pollardsvision]

If you believe that Farve isn't going to be a Packer, something I haven't been able to wrap my brain around yet, there's only 3 teams that have a shot at him considering salary cap.Tampa BayChicagoMinnesotaTo think he's coming back, playing for less money for some team he has no connection with makes very little sense. It'll be retirement, back with Green Bay or with one of these 3 teams.

while i couldn't imagine favre playing for a terrible team, it seems to me that his willingness to play somewhere else and for less money would be growing by the day.if this mess keeps heading the way it looks to be heading, any professional athlete in favre's situation would be just dying to get out there and have a monster season somewhere.i'm not in favre's head, but i can't imagine the following thought process happening: "oh, the franchise that i made relevant for 16 years wants me to backup aaron rodgers? oh well then, i'd never dream of playing for anyone besides the packers, so i'll just hang it up and never play again" i don't imagine there are many things that would make football as exciting again for a 38 year old than a chance to make the franchise you played for rue the day they didn't want you anymore.

 

[bcr8f]

while i couldn't imagine favre playing for a terrible team, it seems to me that his willingness to play somewhere else and for less money would be growing by the day.if this mess keeps heading the way it looks to be heading, any professional athlete in favre's situation would be just dying to get out there and have a monster season somewhere.i'm not in favre's head, but i can't imagine the following thought process happening: "oh, the franchise that i made relevant for 16 years wants me to backup aaron rodgers? oh well then, i'd never dream of playing for anyone besides the packers, so i'll just hang it up and never play again" i don't imagine there are many things that would make football as exciting again for a 38 year old than a chance to make the franchise you played for rue the day they didn't want you anymore.

If you read Ted Thompson's version of the timeline (he wanted to play after he retired, Ted and McCarthy were set to fly to his home but he changed his mind, then they took 2 QB's in the draft). Now that they changed the offense, etc they want to keep going.Not exactly a "we don't want you anymore scenario". If they change course will he change his mind again? How long will he play? They may just want to move in a new direction.

 

[Anonymous Internet User]

I vote for New England. Favre wants another championship ring. Let him backup Brady in the 4th quarter when the Patriots are up by 30.

Realistically, Favre will not play this year.

 

[T Bell]

Other (Redskins).

If, in fact, this situation does come to a trade situation, little Danny Snyder will be throwing everything he's got at the Packers for him. At least whatever it would take to outbid others. The Redskins are known for trading away their draft picks anyway.

I've got to think Danny is quitely sitting back and monitoring this situation. The move would actually make sense for Washington as well.

This or a similar phrase always seems to come out of peoples' mouths when they pull Redskins out of their "six" in conversations like this. You can count on one hand the number of teams that are less likely suitors for Favre's services this year than the Redskins.

Really? This was just reported a little over 2 hours ago, in regards to possible trade suitors-

A source close to the situation said Favre's value would be fairly high if a team's fans or owner started beating the drum for him to play for their team. The marketing possibilities would be huge for a team like Atlanta, Tampa Bay, the New York Jets or Washington, all of whom probably would have some interest in Favre.

http://blogs.jsonline.com/packers/archive/...talk-trade.aspx

There ya go. You heard it hear first.

ETA: Dan Snyder will have his hat in the ring soon enough.

That "report" you quoted simply says that there'd be huge marketing possibilities if Favre ended up on the Redskins (a startling revelation, I guess, for one of the most valuable sports teams in the world). What does that have to do with actual interest in acquiring the guy? Again, people are operating on a five-plus-year old paradigm with Snyder and the Redskins. You haven't been paying attention to how they've changed their approach, obviously.

 

[bcr8f]

Favre retired so I could pick him up for a dollar in several leagues.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

I just don't see how Brett Favre could return to GB as a back-up. Ted Thompson can talk all he wants about having Favre back as that, but if it wasn't difficult enough for Rodgers to have to follow up Favre without him in the locker room, trying to succeed him as he's holding a clipboard on the sideline...?

Simply put, while the Packers appear to have all the leverage, all Favre has to do is call GB's bluff...show up to TC. No way he's not starting for someone this year.

 

[Andy Herron]

Other (Redskins).

If, in fact, this situation does come to a trade situation, little Danny Snyder will be throwing everything he's got at the Packers for him. At least whatever it would take to outbid others. The Redskins are known for trading away their draft picks anyway.

I've got to think Danny is quitely sitting back and monitoring this situation. The move would actually make sense for Washington as well.

This or a similar phrase always seems to come out of peoples' mouths when they pull Redskins out of their "six" in conversations like this. You can count on one hand the number of teams that are less likely suitors for Favre's services this year than the Redskins.

Really? This was just reported a little over 2 hours ago, in regards to possible trade suitors-

A source close to the situation said Favre's value would be fairly high if a team's fans or owner started beating the drum for him to play for their team. The marketing possibilities would be huge for a team like Atlanta, Tampa Bay, the New York Jets or Washington, all of whom probably would have some interest in Favre.

http://blogs.jsonline.com/packers/archive/...talk-trade.aspx

There ya go. You heard it hear first.

ETA: Dan Snyder will have his hat in the ring soon enough.

That "report" you quoted simply says that there'd be huge marketing possibilities if Favre ended up on the Redskins (a startling revelation, I guess, for one of the most valuable sports teams in the world). What does that have to do with actual interest in acquiring the guy? Again, people are operating on a five-plus-year old paradigm with Snyder and the Redskins. You haven't been paying attention to how they've changed their approach, obviously.

Oh, O.K.Let's take a look at what was posted last night in the New York Daily News-

Because the Vikings and Bears, the Pack's competition in the NFC North, would be expected to pursue him, it's inconceivable Green Bay will cut him. It's more likely the Packers will give Favre's agent, Bus Cook, permission to speak with other clubs and then try to accommodate him. If the Packers agree to trade Favre, then the Bucs, Panthers, Ravens, Dolphins and Redskins would appear logical landing spots.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...rett_favre.html

Favre will be looking for his best opportunity to win, which obviously narrows that list considerably.

Hey, I'm a Cowboys fan, so I definitely don't want to see him in Washington. I can sure see him landing there though.

 

[bcr8f]

Baltimore(mentoring Flacco) is a possibility. Carolina says they're not interested

Tampa and Washington are the top contenders I believe. Snyder doesn't covet draft picks and Favre would generate a lot of buzz there.

Cook got a 4th for McNair so I expect a similar pick.

Tampa plays GB this year.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

If you believe that Farve isn't going to be a Packer, something I haven't been able to wrap my brain around yet, there's only 3 teams that have a shot at him considering salary cap.Tampa BayChicagoMinnesotaTo think he's coming back, playing for less money for some team he has no connection with makes very little sense. It'll be retirement, back with Green Bay or with one of these 3 teams.

while i couldn't imagine favre playing for a terrible team, it seems to me that his willingness to play somewhere else and for less money would be growing by the day.if this mess keeps heading the way it looks to be heading, any professional athlete in favre's situation would be just dying to get out there and have a monster season somewhere.i'm not in favre's head, but i can't imagine the following thought process happening: "oh, the franchise that i made relevant for 16 years wants me to backup aaron rodgers? oh well then, i'd never dream of playing for anyone besides the packers, so i'll just hang it up and never play again" i don't imagine there are many things that would make football as exciting again for a 38 year old than a chance to make the franchise you played for rue the day they didn't want you anymore.

First, he didn't make the Packers relevant, they play for a trophy called the Lombardi Trophy, a coach from that team that came long before Farve. It is true that he may think like that, but there's a gaping hole in it. They never would have benched him, in the end Brett Farve quit the team, it was nobody's decision but his. He's been pulling their chain now for a couple years, I'd trade him.

 

[Jimmy James]

Miami would immediately be a better team with Favre, but I wouldn't expect him to actually play for that team. I don't think they'd have a realistic shot at the playoffs even with him. They're still a year or two away, and I'm a Dolphins fan.

 

[Phurfur]

Other (Redskins).

If, in fact, this situation does come to a trade situation, little Danny Snyder will be throwing everything he's got at the Packers for him. At least whatever it would take to outbid others. The Redskins are known for trading away their draft picks anyway.

I've got to think Danny is quitely sitting back and monitoring this situation. The move would actually make sense for Washington as well.

This or a similar phrase always seems to come out of peoples' mouths when they pull Redskins out of their "six" in conversations like this. You can count on one hand the number of teams that are less likely suitors for Favre's services this year than the Redskins.

Really? This was just reported a little over 2 hours ago, in regards to possible trade suitors-

A source close to the situation said Favre's value would be fairly high if a team's fans or owner started beating the drum for him to play for their team. The marketing possibilities would be huge for a team like Atlanta, Tampa Bay, the New York Jets or Washington, all of whom probably would have some interest in Favre.

http://blogs.jsonline.com/packers/archive/...talk-trade.aspx

There ya go. You heard it hear first.

ETA: Dan Snyder will have his hat in the ring soon enough.

That "report" you quoted simply says that there'd be huge marketing possibilities if Favre ended up on the Redskins (a startling revelation, I guess, for one of the most valuable sports teams in the world). What does that have to do with actual interest in acquiring the guy? Again, people are operating on a five-plus-year old paradigm with Snyder and the Redskins. You haven't been paying attention to how they've changed their approach, obviously.

Oh, O.K.Let's take a look at what was posted last night in the New York Daily News-

Because the Vikings and Bears, the Pack's competition in the NFC North, would be expected to pursue him, it's inconceivable Green Bay will cut him. It's more likely the Packers will give Favre's agent, Bus Cook, permission to speak with other clubs and then try to accommodate him. If the Packers agree to trade Favre, then the Bucs, Panthers, Ravens, Dolphins and Redskins would appear logical landing spots.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...rett_favre.html

Favre will be looking for his best opportunity to win, which obviously narrows that list considerably.

Hey, I'm a Cowboys fan, so I definitely don't want to see him in Washington. I can sure see him landing there though.

His best opportunity to win was in GB. He burned that bridge.