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Where does the line of a commissioner stop? (1 Viewer)

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LaFours

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In regards of helping other teams. 

I am down 122-121.2 going into tonight’s game. Figure it’s a done deal for the most part. However our commish decided to “suggest” to my opponent to take Smallwood out of their line up and leave the roster spot open. Just in case he produces negative points cost them the W.

i would have no issue if my opponent came to this reasoning on their own, but being that it came to them unsolicited I’m a little annoyed by it. 

Am I out of line here? They claim when they offer advice it’s whats best for the league. 

 
That is WAY out of line for a commish. I would be more then a little annoyed.
The commish has to be above stuff like that-they can not show any bias to anyone.
 

 
Way out of line. Talk tons of ##### to the commish-- use the group text or league message board to shame him- talk about how pathetic he is.

Thats what I would do. 

 
We do have in our league rules what a starting lineup is to be. But no mention of what happens if it isn’t set correctly. Besides my annoyance with the commish think it’s a weak move by the other team, Put your best line up out there...don’t take the fantasy equivalent of a knee. 

Thanks everyone nice to hear I wasn’t out of line 

 
Taking an active role in helping one owner defeat another, as well as suggesting an owner intentionally not fill out a full lineup?   Absolutely grounds for immediate removal, IMO.

 
The Commish should not offer advice to any team and especially on Sunday when it could have impact on the outcome.

 
How do you know that it was unsolicited?

Is the commish also an owner?

Would it be okay if it was just another owner who offered unsolicited advice?

 
Wrigley said:
Hope he sits him, and the stat corrections come out giving you the win. 

Way as out of line 
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This. 

As commish I might reply to someone asking a question, mostly that's the new guys in a league that's been around for over a decade. I wouldn't suggest he pull a player out, partly because a stat correction could change the outcome but mostly because I'm not offering strategy tips.  But if the other owner asked if doing so were legal and it is, I'd tell him the legality and the risk, let him decide.

In my leagues it would be legal because it isn't tanking. You can disagree with that rule but that's just differing opinions.

 
Chaka said:
How do you know that it was unsolicited?

Is the commish also an owner?

Would it be okay if it was just another owner who offered unsolicited advice?
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Team I’m playing told me

yes they are an owner.

idk I think I’d feel different if it was just another owner, would still be annoyed, but when it comes from someone that runs the league I guess I feel they should be a bit impartial 

 
I have no real issue with it. I don't see it as against the rules. I assume the commissioner is also an owner. Would you feel different if another owner had offered the advice to him? My feeling is his advice was as an owner to another owner, he wasn't using has powers as commissioner to effect anything. Guys have done that to other owners in my leagues for years. The hay dummy, you haven't updated your lineup for 2 weeks but I need you to beat your opponent this week so go and get that updated or hey dummy, I need you to beat your opponent so just an FYI, your TE is hurt and you better find a replacement.

 
It depends. If it is a casual league like a work league where you know some people do not have much football knowledge, it is actually a good thing if the commish is helping them set a solid lineup. If they are doing it to favor one team over another to boost themselves in the standings I think it is less kosher. With that said, the only position I would consider benching with a small lead is defense, a stat correction forcing you to lose is more common than a RB getting negative points. 

 
LaFours said:
Team I’m playing told me

yes they are an owner.

idk I think I’d feel different if it was just another owner, would still be annoyed, but when it comes from someone that runs the league I guess I feel they should be a bit impartial 
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Good on the owner you're playing. He gonna do the right thing?

How old is the commish? 

How long has he held the position?

Is it a new league, well established, somewhere in between?

Did you know him before the league?

Friends? Friendly?

 
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I think the real question is was he acting as a commissioner or an owner? I think he was acting as an owner when he was suggesting this to another owner because he felt your team is more dangerous competition. Would your reaction be the same if the title of the thread was Where does the line of an owner stop?

 
I'm having a hard time agreeing that it was a bad move by the commissioner, seems just like another owner giving advice which i know in my leagues happens all the time.

If he would have gone into the guys lineup and made the change, that's where commissioner power has to be questioned.

Any owner or really any person could have offered him this same "solution" so its not an abuse of power, its just someone's opinion on how to approach this situation.

 
it can be a slippery slope when you are a commissioner and also an owner......

from an owner point of view, one could argue that you would be stupid not to suggest this to an owner who you needed to win that game....solicited or unsolicited...this is a hobby and a game that has strategies outside of just drafting a team, working the WW, and setting lineups....keeping an eye on other match ups and in some ways managing other teams is part of the strategy.....I will often pick up players I have ZERO intention of actually playing just to keep them off other teams rosters and out of their lineups....so in a way I am having an influence on other teams possible outcomes....sharing strategies with other owners that could ultimately benefit me could be considered part of the game we play....this type of stuff happens all the time in many leagues....

from a "true" commissioners point of view...this shouldn't happen....meaning an actual commissioner who isn't also an owner....but that is not the arrangement in most leagues....in most leagues, the commish is also an owner....so in making this suggestion, I think you have to realize this is fake football, a hobby, a "game", so yo have to give him the benefit of the doubt that he wasn't wearing his commissioner hat at the time and he was wearing his "other owner" hat.....I don't think you can question his integrity as a commish unless he somehow uses "commish powers" to influence or change something.....he wasn't abusing his powers as a commish because this is something that could have been done/suggested by anyone in the league....but I can definitely see how it doesn't feel right....

 
Jon F. said:
I'm having a hard time agreeing that it was a bad move by the commissioner, seems just like another owner giving advice which i know in my leagues happens all the time.

If he would have gone into the guys lineup and made the change, that's where commissioner power has to be questioned.

Any owner or really any person could have offered him this same "solution" so its not an abuse of power, its just someone's opinion on how to approach this situation.
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Agree.  I just did it this week as an owner though.   One owner who was traveling forgot to put Carr in his lineup, only had Stafford in his lineup.  I knew he had to make a QB move and I wanted him to win to help me.  I sent him an offer for Stafford with a comment, you need a QB this week.  Then I side-texted him saying you left Carr on your bench and need a QB.  He said he would have gotten to it Sunday.  The other owner was mad the lineup got corrected.  He was hoping he'd start Stafford, assuming he thought Carr was in.

 
Even as a Commish in a league, I see no problem with it if you are speaking as your team.

I've probably done this a bunch of times.

But I’d be like “I need you to win this week, don’t forget your lineup”

Or help my team out and win this week, you sure you want to start him over him?

Nobody is FORCING them to make any changes.

Hell NFL coaches CALL other NFL coaches during the week asking how they'd handle a situation or upcoming opponent.

Sean McDermott has called his mentor Andy Reid a bunch of times this year.

 
Chaka said:
Good on the owner you're playing. He gonna do the right thing?

How old is the commish? 

How long has he held the position?

Is it a new league, well established, somewhere in between?

Did you know him before the league?

Friends? Friendly?
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No they are sitting the player

commish has run this league for the six yrs of existing 

yes we are best friends actually 

 
The real problem is the rule, not the action.  I would never want to play in a league that lets you have blanks in your lineup.  Keeper/dynasty it allows tanking, redraft is allows cheesedick winning like this.

 
Wrigley said:
Hope he sits him, and the stat corrections come out giving you the win. 

Way as out of line 
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this, actually this scenario has a better chance of happening than perhaps it would for him to start smallwood and having him fumble then getting injured or being benched after fumble...

 
LaFours said:
No they are sitting the player

commish has run this league for the six yrs of existing 

yes we are best friends actually 
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Okay.  Kinda uncool of the owner not to start Smallwood but I get it. Perhaps he would have come to that decision organically.

Since you are friends I suggest you just take it to him directly and honestly but not angrily, it's just a game man even if there is some cash on the line.  Tell him what you think and ask him to consider that the next time he has some advice to offer.

Here's to hoping for a stat correction in your favor.  :banned:

 
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