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I think if you don't have a slight boost for Jones, your original prognostication may have been a little lofty for Jones to begin with.I don't think he's a 2nd round pick but then again I wasn't high on Jones THIS year. I probably would have taken Jones in the mid 5th, now with Farve on the team I could be talked into taking him in the 4th.
IMO yes.I had him as a target in as a RB2 after starting say RB-WR-WR. Now his ADP may increase which means he will become over valued, and not a decent bargain
The orignal post comments on a 2nd round pick.
This is the way I envisioned the possibility of drafting Thomas Jones this year, or maybe even early 5th. In our way of thinking, he may now be overvalued unless of course we were/are wrong and he produces a little more and scores more Td's this year.
TJ had the same yardage total as in recent seasons last year. As we all know, TD are a variable, and if Jones scored 5 more TD (as was his average since becoming a starter), he would have ranked 13th last year. With the line upgrades, with the same workload I would guess that would benefit Jones to the tune of 100-150 yards over the course of a season.It may surprise some people that Jones has had the 4th most touches ny a RB over the past 3 years (after LT, Edge, and Larry Johnson). He's been pretty durable and playing on some so-so offenses. I think he'll see a decent increase production wise.People were sleeping on Jones heading into the season, but with Favre in the mix I suspect his ADP will go up quite a bit.
I was targetting Jones in every league for exactly these reasons. A ton of touch's, improved line, decent run schedule and little competition. I think I had a good chance of snagging him at the bottom of the 1st in my keeper league prior to this trade and now I don't think there's a chance he's there....
Cool, I just wanted your thoughts on a boost, because your original post mentioned that you were high on him preFarve but didn't mention if you thought regardless of how good he was going to do before Farve, if he was going to do a little better with the addition of Farve.I've always like Thomas Jones, I thought the Bears made a big mistake in getting rid of him, I didn't understand that move. Ya, with the addition of Farve there won't be a single player on the offensive team that people won't think about boosting because of Farve. I'm sure people will start talking about the WR3 in New York and wondering now if he's worth taking a flier on.
That's how you win leagues is with guys like him. You aren't going to draft him to be your #1 RB but if things break right for him (referring to Yudkins post above) and he gets a few more TD's which is certainly possible you could do a lot worse than having a #13 back as your #2 back.
So starting a draft with say 1.01 LT2.12 Fitz3.01 Colston4.12 Holmes5.01 Jonesis going to result in a losing team because TJ doesn't score in bunches?I doubt you will be able to get Jones at the 4/5 turn anymore, but he was a fine option where he was getting drafted.
I'm not sure I totally agree, Port26. I've won with teams that score a zillion points, those teams are fun of course. But I've also had teams that weren't the highest scoring teams all season long, but were consistent and got me into the playoffs.I've always said, just get me into the playoffs, because then anything can happen. You've got guys starting that don't normally start, you have studs sitting or not playing full games due to playoffs, that a lot of times, the monster team can be reduced to mediocrity weeks 16 and 17.In fact, a guy like Thomas Jones who is playing for the Jets, a team now probably going to be fighting tooth and nails for a wildcard spot, meaning weeks 15, 16 and 17 you can expect Thomas Jones to be playing his butt off, when a guy like Lt2 or Addai may be playing 1/2 games that time of year.
I think those 5 Dave is looking at the glass 3/4 full. Thinking you can get Fitz AND Colston on the turn to me is a little more than optimistic with guys like Smith and Marshall getting suspended. I think a lot of people have Fitz and Colston Wr's 4 and 5.Point taken though, I don't think you'll see Jones last to the turn in round 5 either. So, who does that push back......it has to push some RB's back. Guys like Brandon Jacobs and Laurance Maroney? I'm starting to think Maroney may be of some value if he starts dropping.
There are a ton of WR options at the 2/3 turn. Candidates COULD include (depending upon how each draft goes): Fitz, Colston, Ocho Cinco, AJ, Housh, Holt, etc. If you want to go WR-WR there, there will be options available.That wasn't the point here. It was to show that up until now you get get 3-4 other studs and slot in Jones and be no worse the wear for it.
Not to mention the addition of Tony Richardson. He may be 37 but he made the pro bowl last year and he will also add to TJ's sucsess this year.I was all ready targeting TJ in the late 5th as RB3 but now I will probably be going WR WR in the second and third and be happy with TJ early 4th as my RB2
TJ was by far the best Value pick in the draft in terms of RBs... I have been landing him as #2 all yr after going RB / whatever for 2 picks / TJ.I just took him last night as RB#2 at 5.01 in a $$ 12 teamer last night.His value will increase in the next couple of weeks.. he'll even squeeze into the mid 2nds of redraftsThis list isn't in order.. just throwing names out there.Everyones top 10 probably constist of the following 8: LT / Addia / ADP / Portis / SJax / Westy / MBIII / LynchThen you got guys like Gore who is always hurt MJD; Freddy is still playing and taking about half the carries....Reggie is really only valuable in 1PPR leaguesLJ, Turner, and McGahee are running behind questionable O-Lines and Passing games that won't open holesGrant is a ? w/ Rodgers at QBJamal Lewis had a great reawaking last yr, but people are still nervousJacobs seems injury proneHow is Ronnie Brown going to Recovery after yr 1 from ACL Tear?Is Graham for real?Can Edge hold up one more yr?How many Touches is FWP going to lose?DMac in Oak, how is that going to work?Honestly, right now... after those 1st 8, theres only 3 or 4 of the other I mentioned that I rank higher than Jones after this trade.
I shouldn't let facts get in the way of your good post but Favre had 4 fewer picks than the Jet QB's, got sacked 38 fewer times (53 sacks for 316 yards lost for Jet qb's vs. 15 -93 for Favre), threw for 13 more TD's, and 1141 more yards. Ya, I'm sure he won't help but continue....
Yeah Richardson doesn't get enough credit.QUEZILLA said:I also like the addition of Rishardson and Franks to help with the running game blocking too.
Redraft RB rankings are up already.
QUEZILLA said:
I can't stand him, but he represents good value this year. That might have changed to great value with the trade.great quick hits about each rb....following the rankings order...maybe only Turner appears to be out of line. And Tjones is usually mixed in or behind graham, edge, mcfadden and FWP. To echo some draft position thought. Tjones normal ADP has him going in the 4, both early and late. Sometimes in the 5th(not anymore)The latest i can imagine Thomas goin is early 4th now. It was clearly evident in the mocks i was doing yesterday and earlier today. Jones is NO LONGER SLIPPING. Cocthery has seen the biggest boost. ADP range was 7-9 sometimes 10. Now he is being taken in the 6th and 7th. Sometimes the 8th. Coles ADP range has tightened from round 6-8 to rounds 6 & 7. At times you will see these guys go as early as the 5th. I, myself, as still contemplating this option. There is a good side to them moving up. Tjones early selections allows others to fall back a bit. With Cotch and Coles moving up the boards...rb3's and 4's are sliding...mendenhall, felix jones, Chester Taylor, . On the wr side galloway, driver, bowe, hines ward, anthony gonzalez are dropping a few spots. Dustin Keller appears to be a late draft snatch...in the same form as zach miller.KellysHeroes said:
Nice...i didn't see them last night.Redraft RB rankings are up already.
up on 8/4, i set it for the last 2 days...no wonder...thanks.
yeah...I disagree.I think this is how you win leagues. How about going top tier QB, WR, WR, Thomas Jones? You could go Brady, T.O/Wayne, Braylon/Steve Smith etc....I like the way that looks.
Same thing can be said for Randy Moss last year. Most people wrote him off as a quality fantasy WR in 2007. Now look at himOne thing can be said about Randy Moss raider tenure. Crappy Raider QBs are 99% to blame for his ineffectiveness, lets not even get into the coaching. They NEVER got him the ball. Randy was given very little chance to succeed. He consistently separated from his defender. Not that seperation matters all that much to Randy Moss. He will flat out take the ball from defenders. Brady's confidence in Randy to win the ball from defenders is the ONE MAJOR difference. Raider QBs didn't have any confidence in the themselves. And Randy Moss caught the brunt of the fault. Wrong, and he proved everybody wrong in his 1st year as a Patriot. I am happy for him. Angry at my favorite team, faiders. end of hijack.
Top Tier qb will only be Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. And your RB2 will end up being lendale/selvin/Rudi(not bad)/JJ/Forte/Kevin Smith/Fred Taylor. I don't really like your weekly lineup. WR2 has to be inside the top 12-14 wrs or else this strategy will not be pretty on paper. My cutoff for wrs in round 3 are plaxico and Holt coming in at the backside of 12. Sometimes chancing marshall, anquan and welker. Jenning, Calvin and Roy are inconsistent enough for me to pass on a wr and take a RB in round 3. The last 3 guy i mentioned will be there in round 4 probably. Going back to Portis 26's statement, By drafting reliable and explosive wrs. Thomas Jones solid production is manageable. The player roles for scoring in bunchs can be shared vice versa.
How can you not stand Thomas Jones?QUEZILLA said:I can't stand him, but he represents good value this year. That might have changed to great value with the trade.
He is probably the biggest under dog RB starting in the NFL. Guy has constantly gotten the short end of the stick, yet still produces.Not to mention he is a great guy who came from a blue collar family.
I was expecting mid-to-late 3rd (14-team redraft; 6pts TD 1/10 rush, rec) before the trade around the same time guys like Graham, J.Jones and R.Johnson go in the ADPs I´ve seen, but now I expect early-to-mid 3rd. He´ll probably go with Willie Parker and Ronnie Brown now.
I agree, not that I hate him, but the Favre hype will make TJ go way too early now.
Also agree. He was going to be a great value this year, but with Favre there, he'll no longer be under the radar. I may still be able to get him at a decent price in our auction, but nearly as good as before.
my main draft is on sunday. 
my main draft is on sunday. 
