Where is the “but her emails!!!!” crowd in regards to Trump destroying records? (1 Viewer)

[Jackstraw]

There were maybe a dozen protesters in that corridor, including several heavily armed police officers who were not being assaulted in anyway and then a line of a couple dozen armed offices a head of them.  Not a chance in the world that if it were a leftwing kook who was shot that it would be considered justified.  They would be the poster child for police brutality which we would never hear the end of.  

Prayers for all the victims of this tragedy boiled up in jon's head. 

Hopefully thier imaginary conviction is overturned in imaginary court. 

 

[dozer]

The House Oversight Committee is launching an investigation into Donald Trump's handling of WH records after the National Archives retrieved several boxes from Mar-a-Lago.

 

[Herb]

People got all mad at me when I pointed out that everybody would switch sides on this issue if it had be BLM storming the capitol instead of MAGA types.  This seems like a pretty good data point for that theory.  

Oof. I get the point you're trying to make, though I fiercely disagree. But citing a post from that individual as a data point to prove much of anything other than exemplifying the victimization of Americans by predatory right-wing media outlets is not gonna help your argument. 

 

[lazyike]

The House Oversight Committee is launching an investigation into Donald Trump's handling of WH records after the National Archives retrieved several boxes from Mar-a-Lago.

That’s good to see…the 1/6 committee have enough documents and witness testimony to wade through in what will be a long report when completed. I am hoping most of the documents at Mar o lago had very little to do with the insurrection and the days leading up to it.

 

[roadkill1292]

Many people* are wondering how long Maggie Haberman has had this information about Donald flushing documents.

* With a nod to our right wing media consumers.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Oof. I get the point you're trying to make, though I fiercely disagree. But citing a post from that individual as a data point to prove much of anything other than exemplifying the victimization of Americans by predatory right-wing media outlets is not gonna help your argument. 

We already know that progressives would be apologists for the riot.  That's what they've always done, every single time, for my entire life.  Starting with the LA riots and continuing through last summer.

This is about right-wingers lapsing into that same mindset.  Jon is a good datapoint for that.

 

[JIslander]

We already know that progressives would be apologists for the riot.  That's what they've always done, every single time, for my entire life.  Starting with the LA riots and continuing through last summer.

This is about right-wingers lapsing into that same mindset.  Jon is a good datapoint for that.

I just don't think you can put an insurrection of the Capitol (which was last attacked 200 years ago) for the purpose of overturning an election, in the same ballpark as civil riots.  

 

[jon_mx]

I just don't think you can put an insurrection of the Capitol (which was last attacked 200 years ago) for the purpose of overturning an election, in the same ballpark as civil riots.  

And why is that?  The BLM riots were thousands of times more violent.  Your reasoning is solely based upon your political alignment not on the violent act. In other words, you readily admit you are ok with violence  with causes you agree with.  

 

[JIslander]

And why is that?  The BLM riots were thousands of times more violent.  Your reasoning is solely based upon your political alignment not on the violent act. In other words, you readily admit you are ok with violence  with causes you agree with.  

There's been riots for various reasons in this country thoughout history, but only one attack on the Capital before 1/6.  Its not comparable. 

 

[FairWarning]

And why is that?  The BLM riots were thousands of times more violent.  Your reasoning is solely based upon your political alignment not on the violent act. In other words, you readily admit you are ok with violence  with causes you agree with.  

It’s Federal crimes (1/6) vs state.crimes (Floyd riots).  

 

[FairWarning]

Jon - 1/6 is a federal crime because it happened on federal property.  Now some of those riots did involve federal buildings (post offices and the federal building in Portland off the top of my head) - I thought those should have been federal charges brought.

 

[jon_mx]

The closet thing we had in history to such an event where leftwing protestors got shot was Kent State, and the narrative between how Kent State is portrayed vs. J6 could not be anymore opposite, despite  court rulings it was justified and they could not be held accountable. 

 

[James Daulton]

The closet thing we had in history to such an event where leftwing protestors got shot was Kent State, and the narrative between how Kent State is portrayed vs. J6 could not be anymore opposite, despite  ours rulings it was justified and they could not be held accountable. 

Jon again.  Never before in our history has our capital been attacked with the purpose of preventing the peaceful transition of power.  No matter how much you diminish it, that is 1000x more significant than protest riots that have been happening in the US for hundreds of years.  Like for example when sports teams win championships. 

No one is saying the BLM riots were in any way good or should be ignored, but just like killing the president is much more high profile and serious than killing some random, attacking the capital to prevent the peaceful transition of power is more high profile and serious then some political riot. 

 

[jon_mx]

It’s Federal crimes (1/6) vs state.crimes (Floyd riots).  

So.  In my view crimes against small business owners are far more heinous since they have no means to defend themselves. 

 

[FairWarning]

So.  In my view crimes against small business owners are far more heinous since they have no means to defend themselves. 

I don’t disagree but fed is tops.

 

[-fish-]

Jon again.  Never before in our history has our capital been attacked with the purpose of preventing the peaceful transition of power.  No matter how much you diminish it, that is 1000x more significant than protest riots that have been happening in the US for hundreds of years.  Like for example when sports teams win championships. 

No one is saying the BLM riots were in any way good or should be ignored, but just like killing the president is much more high profile and serious than killing some random, attacking the capital to prevent the peaceful transition of power is more high profile and serious then some political riot. 

keep trying.   he's sure to get it this time!

his purpose is to intentionally derail any discussion of 1/6 by hijacking the thread and turning it into a discussion about how much he hates the left and BLM.   for whatever reason, people keep biting on the same stinky bait.

this is what got the other threads merged/locked.   please stop.

 

[jon_mx]

Jon again.  Never before in our history has our capital been attacked with the purpose of preventing the peaceful transition of power.  No matter how much you diminish it, that is 1000x more significant than protest riots that have been happening in the US for hundreds of years.  Like for example when sports teams win championships. 

No one is saying the BLM riots were in any way good or should be ignored, but just like killing the president is much more high profile and serious than killing some random, attacking the capital to prevent the peaceful transition of power is more high profile and serious then some political riot. 

I have never bought that narrative.  It was a protest which lacked crowd control.  99.9 percent were there to demonstrate. 

 

[FairWarning]

Jon again.  Never before in our history has our capital been attacked with the purpose of preventing the peaceful transition of power.  No matter how much you diminish it, that is 1000x more significant than protest riots that have been happening in the US for hundreds of years.  Like for example when sports teams win championships. 

No one is saying the BLM riots were in any way good or should be ignored, but just like killing the president is much more high profile and serious than killing some random, attacking the capital to prevent the peaceful transition of power is more high profile and serious then some political riot. 

Probably the last political riots was in 68, and those weren’t on federal property that I can recall.

 

[James Daulton]

I have never bought that narrative.  It was a protest which lacked crowd control.  99.9 percent were there to demonstrate. 

Doesn't matter what you buy.  Those who attacked the capital meant to prevent the peaceful transition of power in this country.  And who knows what other harm they meant.

Those are facts and they did get the peaceful transition of power delayed when the capital was evacuated.  Much much much more serious than riots similar to when sports teams win championships. 

 

[jon_mx]

Doesn't matter what you buy.  Those who attacked the capital meant to prevent the peaceful transition of power in this country.  And who knows what other harm they meant.

Those are facts and they did get the peaceful transition of power delayed when the capital was evacuated.  Much much much more serious than riots similar to when sports teams win championships. 

We know because they did not bring guns.  We had people Nad at the results, but with guns it was not a serious attack on our government or a threat to kill anyone. 

 

[James Daulton]

We know because they did not bring guns.  We had people Nad at the results, but with guns it was not a serious attack on our government or a threat to kill anyone. 

You need a gun to kill someone?

 

[jon_mx]

You need a gun to kill someone?

I would say if you want to stop the transfer of power in the most powerful country in the world, you are not gonna to succeed with pepper spray, flag poles, and zip ties.  

 

[James Daulton]

I would say if you want to stop the transfer of power in the most powerful country in the world, you are not gonna to succeed with pepper spray, flag poles, and zip ties.  

They succeeded in getting the capital evacuated. 

 

[-fish-]

While it's impossible to know precisely how many firearms were brought to the Capitol on January 6, it's already clear that at least some of the people present were carrying guns that day. And as the police officers who testified at the committee on Tuesday made clear, rioters also used numerous other objects as weapons such as knives and bats.

Weapons used

US Capitol Police Sgt. Aquilino Gonell told Kinzinger that "(c)ommon things were used as weapons, like a baseball bat, a hockey stick, a rebar, a flagpole -- including the American flag -- pepper spray, bear spray."

The rioters "had all these items," Gonell said, "used to attack us. Those are weapons."

As CNN has reported, rioters also used knives, stolen police shields, a stun gun, fire extinguisher and more. Hand-to-hand combat led to more than a dozen officers being sent to the hospital, some of whom had bone fractures and concussions.

Firearms

So far, with the investigation still ongoing, three individuals have been charged for allegedly bringing a gun onto Capitol grounds on January 6. At least two other individuals have also been charged with gun crimes in relation to the events of that day, though they are not accused of carrying on Capitol grounds.

According to police testimony, Christopher Alberts was arrested leaving the Capitol grounds on January 6 while trying to flee from officers after they suspected he was carrying a firearm on his hip. Alberts was carrying a loaded pistol and 25 rounds of ammunition, according to court documents.

Guy Reffitt has been charged with illegally bringing a handgun on Capitol grounds on January 6. Reffitt allegedly told family members he "brought his gun with him" in the Capitol attack.

Mark Ibrahim, who at the time was an off-duty special agent for the Drug Enforcement Administration, has been charged with bringing his service weapon on Capitol grounds during the insurrection as well as lying to the FBI about why he was at the Capitol.

Another individual, Cleveland Meredith Jr., is accused of possessing a pistol and rifle without "a registration for any firearm in Washington, DC," which were recovered by the FBI a day after the insurrection. According to an officer statement, the individual arrived too late for the Capitol riot and talked about killing Pelosi in a text conversation.

Yet another person, Lonnie Coffman, is accused of parking a truck filled with 11 homemade bombs, a handgun and an assault rifle two blocks away from the Capitol for several hours on January 6. Most of these defendants have pleaded not guilty or say they'll fight the charges.

Federal prosecutors have also said members of the Oath Keepers, a paramilitary group, likely stored weapons at a hotel in Arlington, Virginia, as part of their plan to have an armed rapid-response force during the January 6 insurrection.

During Tuesday's hearing, DC Metropolitan Police Officer Daniel Hodges noted that the situation during the riot made it difficult to confirm reports of firearms and conduct arrests accordingly on January 6 itself. Hodges said the gun recovery unit was "working the crowd to try and confirm reports of firearms on certain people but it's also difficult to do given the nature of the crowd and how many there were."

 

[-fish-]

They succeeded in getting the capital evacuated. 

damn facts.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

They succeeded in getting the capital evacuated. 

Actually thank God (or the gods if you prefer) that Pence and Congressional leaders were smart enough to not get on the busses (or in Pence's case the armored limo).  While we are thanking God lets ne thankful that the traitors walked right past the door that Pelosi's staff was hiding behind.  

 

[-fish-]

peaceful tourists

 

[IvanKaramazov]

There's been riots for various reasons in this country thoughout history, but only one attack on the Capital before 1/6.  Its not comparable. 

In the entire course of US history, there has also only been one riot that took place on January 6, 2021.  That's not a particularly interesting distinction and it doesn't make it non-comparable to other riots that have taken place at other places at other times.

The next time a race-related riot is roundly condemned by progressives, it will the first.  There is a very long track record here that doesn't just vanish because you'd like it to.

And that doesn't even get into the issue of how the last Democratic president launched his career at the home of an honest-to-goodness domestic terrorist.  It would be like DeSantis doing a fundraiser with Elk Man or something.  You guys -- including a ton of people on this forum -- were absolutely insistent that that was a-okay and that people like me were being jerks for objecting to it.  You don't get to take that back.

For me, this is easy.  The 1/6 riot was very bad.  So were the assorted BLM riots, and so were the LA riots.  The Weather Underground was bad and it's mystifying that those people are not in prison.  The KKK is very bad.  The Proud Boys are bad.  Antifa is bad.  Etc.  It's really not hard to be against political violence consistently if you care about this sort of thing.

 

[lazyike]

You need a gun to kill someone?

The game of clue even though it had a knife , rope, lead pipe, candlestick and a revolver the correct answer in Jon's world was always revolver. If you guessed anything else than revolver I guess you were wrong.

 

[James Daulton]

The game of clue even though it had a knife , rope, lead pipe, candlestick and a revolver the correct answer in Jon's world was always revolver. If you guessed anything else than revolver I guess you were wrong.

Unless you happen to be Kyle Rittenhause.  Then a skateboard becomes a weapon of mass destruction. 

 

[Herb]

For me, this is easy.  The 1/6 riot was very bad.  So were the assorted BLM riots, and so were the LA riots.  The Weather Underground was bad and it's mystifying that those people are not in prison.  The KKK is very bad.  The Proud Boys are bad.  Antifa is bad.  Etc.  It's really not hard to be against political violence consistently if you care about this sort of thing.

I think the majority of us, progressives included, agree with you here.

 

[JIslander]

In the entire course of US history, there has also only been one riot that took place on January 6, 2021.  That's not a particularly interesting distinction and it doesn't make it non-comparable to other riots that have taken place at other places at other times.

The next time a race-related riot is roundly condemned by progressives, it will the first.  There is a very long track record here that doesn't just vanish because you'd like it to.

And that doesn't even get into the issue of how the last Democratic president launched his career at the home of an honest-to-goodness domestic terrorist.  It would be like DeSantis doing a fundraiser with Elk Man or something.  You guys -- including a ton of people on this forum -- were absolutely insistent that that was a-okay and that people like me were being jerks for objecting to it.  You don't get to take that back.

For me, this is easy.  The 1/6 riot was very bad.  So were the assorted BLM riots, and so were the LA riots.  The Weather Underground was bad and it's mystifying that those people are not in prison.  The KKK is very bad.  The Proud Boys are bad.  Antifa is bad.  Etc.  It's really not hard to be against political violence consistently if you care about this sort of thing.

Agreed.  All riots are bad.  One that attacked its own government is way worse IMO.

 

[sho nuff]

Agreed.  All riots are bad.  One that attacked its own government is way worse IMO.

Yes

 

[-fish-]

Agreed.  All riots are bad.  One that attacked its own government is way worse IMO.

seems like this shouldn't have to be explained.

 

[James Daulton]

seems like this shouldn't have to be explained.

But what about the BLM and Antifa riots?

 

[Desert_Power]

Try not to be dragged off topic by these false equivalencies.

Haberman book: Flushed papers found clogging Trump WH toilet

While President Trump was in office, staff in the White House residence periodically discovered wads of printed paper clogging a toilet — and believed the president had flushed pieces of paper, Maggie Haberman scoops in her forthcoming book, "Confidence Man."

Why it matters: The revelation by Haberman, whose coverage as a New York Times White House correspondent was followed obsessively by Trump, adds a vivid new dimension to his lapses in preserving government documents. Axios was provided an exclusive first look at some of her reporting.

 

[The General]

Try not to be dragged off topic by these false equivalencies.

Haberman book: Flushed papers found clogging Trump WH toilet

While President Trump was in office, staff in the White House residence periodically discovered wads of printed paper clogging a toilet — and believed the president had flushed pieces of paper, Maggie Haberman scoops in her forthcoming book, "Confidence Man."

Why it matters: The revelation by Haberman, whose coverage as a New York Times White House correspondent was followed obsessively by Trump, adds a vivid new dimension to his lapses in preserving government documents. Axios was provided an exclusive first look at some of her reporting.

Now we know why Don as always talking about how the johns can't flush strongly enough these days. I thought it was the McDonald's diet.

 

[yak651]

Now we know why Don as always talking about how the johns can't flush strongly enough these days. I thought it was the McDonald's diet.

10-15 times you would have to flush he would claim at his rallies…

 

[Juxtatarot]

Whenever the Trump movie comes out, clogging the toilet with presidential documents is going to make a great scene.

 

[Ruffrodys05]

Whenever the Trump movie comes out, clogging the toilet with presidential documents is going to make a great scene.

Especially when that very night he has one of his *rallies and having difficulty flushing documents is at the forefront of his mind so he brings up the problem with toilets in America. 

*I don't recall the exact setting he brought up his issues with the White House plumbing but I'm pretty sure earlier that day he tried to flush ripped up documents. 

 

[The General]

10-15 times you would have to flush he would claim at his rallies…

You need some high flow action to flush a 100 page document down.

 

[The General]

Whenever the Trump movie comes out, clogging the toilet with presidential documents is going to make a great scene.

Someone link a report of him being seen eating paper 

 

[the rover]

Someone link a report of him being seen eating paper 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-eat-documents-paper-omarosa-b2010616.html

 

[The General]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-eat-documents-paper-omarosa-b2010616.html

so good

 

[stlrams]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-eat-documents-paper-omarosa-b2010616.html

What a joke of a story from a joke of a person. National enquirer like.  

 

[stlrams]

You need some high flow action to flush a 100 page document down.

He obviously pee on the paper first with the Russian hooker.

 

[the rover]

What a joke of a story from a joke of a person. National enquirer like.  

You mean the woman that Trump hired based on his evaluation of her ability?  The one that successfully sued to prevent him from silencing her?  Yeah, there is definitely a joke of a person in this story.  Hint:  it's the guy eating documents, flushing them down the toilet, ripping them up and stealing them.

 

[stlrams]

You mean the woman that Trump hired based on his evaluation of her ability?  The one that successfully sued to prevent him from silencing her?  Yeah, there is definitely a joke of a person in this story.  Hint:  it's the guy eating documents, flushing them down the toilet, ripping them up and stealing them.

What proof do you have outside of her?.  Please you can’t actually believe this story.. If so, you need some help.  

 

[The General]

He probably just ate the unclassified docs:

 

[stlrams]

He probably just ate the unclassified docs:

The dog ate it according to anonymous sources so let’s run with that story on the nightly news..