Where will the FA's land (1 Viewer)

[Bfrahm3]

Where will the 2017 free agents land. What are the best fantasy landing spots for a player and is it an actual possibility.

QBs:

Kirk Cousins- I didn't think he had earned a long contract last season but he put up another good one this year so Washington locks up their franchise QB

Ryan Fitzpatrick- probably lands a backup spot somewhere, no clue where that would be though.

other notable QBs: Mike Glennon, Geno Smith, Matt Barkley, Ryan Nassib. Nassib probably stays with the Giants, steelers need a backup so maybe they go after Glennon 

RBs:

Leveon Bell: steelers probably don't get a long term deal completed but no way they let him walk so they tag him.

Danny Woodhead: chargers can find a cheaper version of him in the draft. Seems like a guy the saints would like catching passes out of the backfield from Brees. As a packer fan also wouldn't mind him as a cheap backup

LeGarrett Blount: Pats keep this guy

Eddie Lacy: I don't think he is back with the Packers, as an owner in a dynasty league my favorite landing spot would be Indy. Gore might still be there but he has to stop at some time. No way Indy takes a RB high in the draft when they could take lineman and then get Lacy pretty cheap on a 2-3 year deal.

Latavius Murray: seems like Oakland is ready to let him walk, I think if he cheap enough they resign him tho, otherwise he's another I could see the colts going after, maybe the eagles, Vikings? Tampa?

Andre Ellington- doesn't have the potential value of the above but I could see him becoming a flex guy in PPR leagues if he goes somewhere where they give him catching opportunities

other notables- jaquizz rodgers, Christine Michael, Deangelo Williams

WRs:

Alshon Jeffery: The rams need a WR, have money to spend and want big names. Goff gets a WR to throw too

Pierre Garçon: Washington probably retains him if he doesn't want to much money, otherwise I don't see many teams calling him

Desean Jackson: rumor a little bit ago about the eagles getting him back, I see it happening

Kenny Britt: finally produces, rams should retain this guy

Cordarrelle Patterson: showed a little bit better this year plus has the return ability. Vikings probably retain him but what if he goes somewhere that throws more?

Terrelle Pryor: Cleveland is stupid if they let him go

Kenny Stills: only 24 years old, ted ginns contract is up in Carolina so I think they get his replacement in stills

Michael Floyd: probably stays with Pats

other notables: Robert Woods, Terrance Williams, Kendall Wright, Ted Ginn Jr

TE:

Jared Cook: Green Bay is going to retain this guy

Gavin Escobar: a sleeper for me, written is getting older and he's athletic, cowboys retain him and then he gets a good connection with Dak.

others: Martellus Bennett

Also not a FA but as a owner I have heard rumors on this site that Seattle is going to move on from Jimmy Graham, where could he go. My favorite spot would be Atlanta.

 

[Interseptopus]

QBs: 
Cousins is the only one worth talking about. I think Washington resigns him. They have to if they want to be a playoff threat for the foreseeable future. Or Houston could go after him, but since they are still strapped because of Osweiler's contract I don't think they can 

RBs:
Lacy will be back in GB. I would almost guarantee it. Montgomery looks great, but I am not sure a plan of 100% committing to Montgomery at RB next year is a good answer. Lacy is hurt and won't break bank anywhere. Chances are he ends up in GB under a contract similar to what D Murray signed (not monetarily wise- 1 year deal with a 2nd year option with incentives). Indy is a decent option for him but I am not sure they can handle another disaster at RB should Lacy not be back to his original form. I would see them drafting someone or maybe grabbing Doug Martin even with his suspension. 

Bell will be franchised by PIT

L. Murray will likely be gone IMO. I think Tampa Bay is a great landing spot for him. 

WRs:
I really don't care too much about this list. There is almost someone looking to overspend at WR and then deal with the nightmare later. None of these WRs wow me anyways

TEs:
Cook will likely be back in GB

Bennett will likely be back in NE

Really no big names changing this offseason unless someone wants some crazy money. Lacy is probably the biggest name most likely to hit the market and I am pretty certain he won't be

 

[FUBAR]

 steelers need a backup so maybe they go after Glennon.

Glennon should get a chance to start but if not, he's kind of perfect to backup Ben. Doubt he'll want to sign there but who knows? 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Just a random thought:

- year after year there is a plethora of mediocre QB play in the NFL. I really don't think the 32 best QBs are starting every week, and it seems to me several teams would profit by matching better OC's with better QBs.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Not a very exciting year for FAs unless Bell somehow ends up moving on. 

 

[branch0095]

Reports came out claiming that opinions around front offices in the league are that Glennon could cash in for 13-15 mil per year. He's the only FA QB that I'm even somewhat intrigued with. Couple that with a rookie QB crop that's pretty uninspiring IMO, and I think Glennon signs somewhere to be a starter this year. 

Edit: I take that back,  Jimmy G is another QB that may turn into a serviceable starter, but overall there's still not too many QBs on the market to get excited about. 

 

[zamboni]

Not a very exciting year for FAs unless Bell somehow ends up moving on. 

Sure seems that way, although I think some big names may be cut and should make FA a bit more interesting than what it looks like right now.

 

[Grahamburn]

I'd love to see Glennon get a shot as a starter somewhere.  I'd also love to see him get a very nice Osweiler like contract so the Bucs get the compensatory selection. 

I see one of the free agent WRs ending up in Tampa.  Alshon is going to get $10M+ per year if he hits the market.  I'd be surprised if Chicago franchises him again.  If the Bucs want him they can probably offer him a comparable contract to Cleveland or San Francisco, who have the most cap room with Tampa 3rd.  I doubt Alshon wants to play for those teams. 

DeSean Jackson seems like a nice compliment to Mike Evans and he'd command less money and a shorter term deal.  Robert Woods in a Bucs' uniform intrigues me as well. 

With all of the RB talent in the draft I expect the market for any free agent RB's to be pretty luke warm.

 

[zamboni]

Alshon is going to get $10M+ per year if he hits the market.  I'd be surprised if Chicago franchises him again. 

Agreed - between his injury history, the emergence of Meredith, and the still promise of White, I can't see the Bears giving him franchise-type money. Maybe he comes back at a reduced rate if the market isn't as hot for his services as he thinks, but I'm sure some team will pony up for him.

 

[petekrum]

Glennon should get a chance to start but if not, he's kind of perfect to backup Ben. Doubt he'll want to sign there but who knows? 

Mike Glennon will be a week one NFL starter next season.

 

[FUBAR]

Mike Glennon will be a week one NFL starter next season.

Probably. 

Am I crazy for questioning whether the Bucs would have been better off trading down to draft cooper or scherff instead of drafting Winston?  He's been very good and is a franchise qb, but if Glennon turns out to be good, just maybe...

 

[mphtrilogy]

Glennon will get a very nice deal somewhere

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

Am I crazy for questioning whether the Bucs would have been better off trading down to draft cooper or scherff instead of drafting Winston?  He's been very good and is a franchise qb, but if Glennon turns out to be good, just maybe...

No way in Hell should the Bucs have passed on Winston because of Glennon. I don't doubt Glennon may be one of the 32 best QBs on an NFL roster next season, but he's a long way from a potential franchise QB - his accuracy is just as scattershot as Winston's and his pocket awareness is abysmal (he takes far too many sacks, going all the way back to his time at NCSU). He'll get an eight-figure-per-year deal somewhere of course, because NFL, but I'll be very surprised if he ever becomes a top-15 QB.

 

[Bronco Billy]

Glennon is the top FA prospect at QB IMO (presuming Cousins either gets tagged or reupped long term with WAS). He's shown enough of a body of work that he can be a credible starter at the NFL level, he has plenty of career left, and I'm guessing he'll go somewhere that he knows he's the QB1 coming out of the gate in 2017. There's enough landing spots out there given the incoming rookie QB class. 

 

[Bfrahm3]

So where is Glennon going to go. I can think of jets, maybe bills, broncos, cardinals?, 49ers, and Chicago as possible QB needy teams

 

[Bfrahm3]

DeSean Jackson seems like a nice compliment to Mike Evans and he'd command less money and a shorter term deal.  Robert Woods in a Bucs' uniform intrigues me as well. 

With all of the RB talent in the draft I expect the market for any free agent RB's to be pretty luke warm.

As an Evans owner I'd like either of those WRs, especially djax to come to Tampa, not good enough to take a bunch of targets but better then what they have and the defense would have to account for them better. Also agree about the RBs though this class has taken a hit with Chubb, mixon and freeman so far deciding to stay in school

 

[Grahamburn]

Probably. 

Am I crazy for questioning whether the Bucs would have been better off trading down to draft cooper or scherff instead of drafting Winston?  He's been very good and is a franchise qb, but if Glennon turns out to be good, just maybe...

Yes.

 

[Bronco Billy]

So where is Glennon going to go. I can think of jets, maybe bills, broncos, cardinals?, 49ers, and Chicago as possible QB needy teams

I don't see DEN as a possibility after drafting Lynch in the 1st last year. They'll let he and Seimien fight it out for the starting spot and maybe draft a guy in the 4th or lower. 

AZ is a possibility but I don't think they'll just hand over the starting spot and they'd have to pay both Palmer and Glennon. Highly unlikely.  They'll likely use a draft pick for a QB  

HOU could use the help but I don't think they'll risk another QB FA fiasco plus they have Osweiler on the payroll. No chance.  They'll use a draft pick for a QB  

MIN could bring him on and let him fight it out with Bradford, but they gave up a lot for Bradford to see him be a clipboard holder. Highly unlikely.  They use a draft pick for a QB  

CLE, NYJ, CHI, SF, and BUF are all looking for a stable starter, and all of them have plenty of needs to spend their top picks elsewhere. I'd say he'll land in one of these spots, with the Jets probably the least likely of the 5 since they seem to be in denial with Petty and Hackenburg  

Given the number of teams needing a starter like Glennon and the guys in the 2017 draft, I think Glennon is in a great spot with his leverage to get a very nice contract, which enhances his chances to be locked in as a starter. 

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[Grahamburn]

So where is Glennon going to go. I can think of jets, maybe bills, broncos, cardinals?, 49ers, and Chicago as possible QB needy teams

He's the perfect stop gap QB for a team with an aging veteran who may look to draft and develop someone.  Jets.  Cardinals.  Two teams who have missed their windows.

 

[Bfrahm3]

I don't see DEN as a possibility after drafting Lynch in the 1st last year. They'll let he and Seimien fight it out for the starting spot and maybe draft a guy in the 4th or lower. 

AZ is a possibility but I don't think they'll just hand over the starting spot and they'd have to pay both Palmer and Glennon. Highly unlikely.  They'll likely use a draft pick for a QB  

HOU could use the help but I don't think they'll risk another QB FA fiasco plus they have Osweiler on the payroll. No chance.  They'll use a draft pick for a QB  

MIN could bring him on and let him fight it out with Bradford, but they gave up a lot for Bradford to see him be a clipboard holder. Highly unlikely.  They use a draft pick for a QB  

CLE, NYJ, CHI, SF, and BUF are all looking for a stable starter, and all of them have plenty of needs to spend their top picks elsewhere. I'd say he'll land in one of these spots, with the Jets probably the least likely of the 5 since they seem to be in denial with Petty and Hackenburg  

Given the number of teams needing a starter like Glennon and the guys in the 2017 draft, I think Glennon is in a great spot with his leverage to get a very nice contract, which enhances his chances to be locked in as a starter. 

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I didn't include Cleveland on my list because I just don't see it happening. They will go a different route at QB, just saw something the other day of AJ McCarron possibly being an option in a trade and he knows hues system. 

I don't see either Minnesota or Houston, I don't think Houston can really make a big QB move yet this year because of Brock's contract, that would be a lot of money tied to QBs that haven't proven anything. Bradford did good enough this year to start next year again plus teddy is still there if he can play again.

I do think Arizona could be a main player now that i actually think about it. Palmer wasn't terrible but with a young stud RB, decent WRs and a pretty good defense why not go after the QB that might play as good as Palmer and also have long term value. 

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

DeMarcus Ware will return to Dallas to grab another ring.

 

[Interseptopus]

I don't see DEN as a possibility after drafting Lynch in the 1st last year. They'll let he and Seimien fight it out for the starting spot and maybe draft a guy in the 4th or lower. 

AZ is a possibility but I don't think they'll just hand over the starting spot and they'd have to pay both Palmer and Glennon. Highly unlikely.  They'll likely use a draft pick for a QB  

HOU could use the help but I don't think they'll risk another QB FA fiasco plus they have Osweiler on the payroll. No chance.  They'll use a draft pick for a QB  

MIN could bring him on and let him fight it out with Bradford, but they gave up a lot for Bradford to see him be a clipboard holder. Highly unlikely.  They use a draft pick for a QB  

CLE, NYJ, CHI, SF, and BUF are all looking for a stable starter, and all of them have plenty of needs to spend their top picks elsewhere. I'd say he'll land in one of these spots, with the Jets probably the least likely of the 5 since they seem to be in denial with Petty and Hackenburg  

Given the number of teams needing a starter like Glennon and the guys in the 2017 draft, I think Glennon is in a great spot with his leverage to get a very nice contract, which enhances his chances to be locked in as a starter. 

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I don't see MIN using a draft pick for a QB... They have Bradford which is a disaster but he is under contract yet and they have Teddy coming back (although I'm on record saying he may never be his old self and may never be a good starting QB again). I don't see them essentially investing 3 high draft picks on their 3 QBs. They have much greater needs, such as RB and OL. 

I think CHI is the most likely destination. I agree on Houston, this would be perfect if they didn't have to commit to Osweiler one more season. I agree on AZ. Draft a QB. 

I really think Chicago goes for Glennon and then uses draft picks to bolster the rest of their team. 

Someone mentioned Alshon would go... he has come out to say he wants to return to Chicago. But then again that's before people start proposing contracts. If Chicago can get Glennon and resign Alshon, they aren't that far away from being a good team

 

[Interseptopus]

DeMarcus Ware will return to Dallas to grab another ring.

I don't think he has any rings. Won't after this season either. Dallas out Round 2

 

[BobbyLayne]

I don't think he has any rings. Won't after this season either. Dallas out Round 2

Pretty sure he got a ring in SB L

 

[petekrum]

Probably. 

Am I crazy for questioning whether the Bucs would have been better off trading down to draft cooper or scherff instead of drafting Winston?  He's been very good and is a franchise qb, but if Glennon turns out to be good, just maybe...

The biggest mistake Tampa made was benching Glennon after a nice rookie year to throw a ton of money at that mutt McCown thinking he could possibly duplicate the fluke season he had in Chicago. To answer your question I would say probably not, but I have a high opinion of Winston and what he will become.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Excuse me....50

Going back to Roman numerals this year (SB LI)

 

[Interseptopus]

Excuse me....50

Going back to Roman numerals this year (SB LI)

darn... I figured. So much for my cute jab

 

[JohnnyU]

The Colts have many needs on defense and they need more offensive lineman even though they played better the last few weeks of the season and are young, but no one can expect them to solve all of these problems through the draft.  After all, there are only so many picks and the rate in which draft picks help immediately is a rather low percentage.  The Colts have 50 million of cap room and could have more, but history hasn't been kind to the Colts with regards to free agent signings in the recent past by Ryan Grigson.  I expect the Colts will part ways with Grigson (they certainly better get rid of him) and the new GM will need to get some help for the defense via free agency.  Lets hope he fares better than his predecessor.   The Colts could make a big splash in free agency this year, but the last thing they need is for Ryan Grigson to do the signings.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

I think possible trades of Romo and Grappalo (maybe Cutler... is he a FA?) will have a pretty serious impact on the landing spots for the FA QB's....Romo is being all PC right now but as soon as DAL season is over I believe he will make a bunch of noise about please trade me....he knows he could start for over half the teams in the league....he will not stay as a backup....somebody will bite on Jimmy G as well and pay the price....

and don't count out Elway from making a move away from Siemian/Lynch and going after a guy like Romo....short shelf life on the defense staying together and playing at a super bowl level.....still in serious win now mode.....don't think they think Siemian/Lynch improve enough in time to help the defense get back to super bowl....

 

[Interseptopus]

I think possible trades of Romo and Grappalo (maybe Cutler... is he a FA?) will have a pretty serious impact on the landing spots for the FA QB's....Romo is being all PC right now but as soon as DAL season is over I believe he will make a bunch of noise about please trade me....he knows he could start for over half the teams in the league....he will not stay as a backup....somebody will bite on Jimmy G as well and pay the price....

and don't count out Elway from making a move away from Siemian/Lynch and going after a guy like Romo....short shelf life on the defense staying together and playing at a super bowl level.....still in serious win now mode.....don't think they think Siemian/Lynch improve enough in time to help the defense get back to super bowl....

Why are they win now? I don't see it... especially "serious win now mode". Teams that are "win now" typically have an established QB with an approaching expiration date. I don't put Denver in this category at all. Also, why would they give up on Lynch? When he was drafted the consensus was he needed to sit at least 1 year. Siemian looked serviceable. He wasn't the reason Denver didn't make the playoffs. Why would Elway give up on the QB he selected knowing he would have to sit? I agree Romo would be an upgrade and would instantly make them a contender, so I see it as a very possible landing spot, but I wouldn't classify DEN has a seriously win now team

 

[fightingillini]

Agreed - between his injury history, the emergence of Meredith, and the still promise of White, I can't see the Bears giving him franchise-type money. Maybe he comes back at a reduced rate if the market isn't as hot for his services as he thinks, but I'm sure some team will pony up for him.

The Bears have way too many issues to give Alshon that type of money.  I can't see Alshon taking a significant hometown discount, since I can see some WR needy team like the Rams pony up significant cash for him......Alshon would be a nice addition for Goff.

 

[Grahamburn]

The biggest mistake Tampa made was benching Glennon after a nice rookie year to throw a ton of money at that mutt McCown thinking he could possibly duplicate the fluke season he had in Chicago. To answer your question I would say probably not, but I have a high opinion of Winston and what he will become.

Without that horrible decision they wouldn't have had the opportunity to draft Jameis. 

 

[cheese]

The market for Pryor will be interesting.  He has never really made any money so I wouldn't blame him for maxing out the dollars.  Cleveland has to have all the room in the world to pay him as long as he's willing to play in Cleveland.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Why are they win now? I don't see it... especially "serious win now mode". Teams that are "win now" typically have an established QB with an approaching expiration date. I don't put Denver in this category at all. Also, why would they give up on Lynch? When he was drafted the consensus was he needed to sit at least 1 year. Siemian looked serviceable. He wasn't the reason Denver didn't make the playoffs. Why would Elway give up on the QB he selected knowing he would have to sit? I agree Romo would be an upgrade and would instantly make them a contender, so I see it as a very possible landing spot, but I wouldn't classify DEN has a seriously win now team

look I hate the Broncos....but while the defense regressed slightly it still was and is a SB caliber defense....they are nasty bad ### tough..and this is the first year out of the last 5 where they didn't have a HOF'er pulling the trigger....or what you might call an "established QB with an approaching expiration date"....that's why I think they may go get one in Romo....with the possibility of this defense continuing to lose some pieces over the next few years through free agency and expiring contracts, this team, specifically the defense, does not have time to wait for Lynch to develop....outside of completely whiffing on Oline draft picks over the last few years and also whiffing on the ability of Okung and Stephenson.....DEN biggest mistake was thinking that a Siemian/Lynch combo would be enough on the offensive side of the ball....the "Lynch will be ready sooner than most people think" noise that Elway spewed out couldn't have been farther from the truth....that team was supposed to run, but the oline sucked so bad they couldn't do it and they didn't have that HOF QB to bail them out down the stretch.....while a banged up Manning wasn't putting up any better numbers, his mere presence kept them team together and prevented any of the conflict between the offense and defense from boiling over and causing a cancer to this team like it did this year down the stretch....I'm not sure what consensus you are talking about, maybe it was something nationally, but I can tell you that locally, especially after Sanchez was let go, the feeling around here was "the kid" Lynch would probably be starting sooner rather than later....I thought Siemain was awful except for a couple decent halves this year.....and I do think he was part of the reason they didn't make the playoffs (he played terrible Christmas night).....their defense kept them in many games and Siemian didn't make some plays when they needed to be made to help the team win....defense held Brady to 16 points.....DEN scored 10 points or less in weeks 14, 15, and 16.....they may not give up on Lynch, but with this defense they only have a certain amount of time and they can't wait....do you think Lynch or Siemian will take them to the super bowl....the answer is no, no matter how good the defense is....Elway wants to win before this defense starts losing more of the pieces.....and winning in DEN doesn't mean a 9-7 season....it's playoffs or nothing....Romo is dangling out there and the competitiveness in Elway is probably gonna pounce again....

 

[Stinkin Ref]

The market for Pryor will be interesting.  He has never really made any money so I wouldn't blame him for maxing out the dollars.  Cleveland has to have all the room in the world to pay him as long as he's willing to play in Cleveland.

he is in for a huge payday

 

[menobrown]

....Romo is being all PC right now but as soon as DAL season is over I believe he will make a bunch of noise about please trade me....

I don't think he makes any noise but if he did it would not be asking to be traded but  asking to be cut. Jerry loves him, even Aikman was on radio last week saying that he was like a son to Jerry. In that interview they asked Aikman if JJ should do a solid to Romo by releasing him so he could control his landing spot and Aikman said no way, that you always maximize your assets and make moves for good of team over player and added that Romo had been paid two years for doing nothing and that's what Jerry owed him, nothing.

So he won't need to make any noise to get out of Dallas, that is going to go down but the timing might make Romo unhappy. I could see Dallas allowing Romo to allow his agent to discuss parameters with other teams or to make an agreement in principle on a trade but it's going to be hard for Dallas to cut or trade Romo before June 1. If they cut or trade him before June 1 he would count $31.7 million  in dead salary cap space and save $41.7 million against the cap. If they do it after June 1 that dead money drops to $19.6 million and salary cap savings jump up to $54 million.  All numbers from Overthecap.com and I'm not sure how it all works out but that is how they show it.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Wonder where the O-lineman end up.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/offensive-line/

Detroit will let Reiff walk. Hoping they go hard to retain Warford as he's a good run blocker. Some interesting names on this list.

 

[cheese]

No clue who will land there, but if the Raiders let Murray go and take 1 of the big RBs coming out.... dream scenario for fantasy

 

[menobrown]

No clue who will land there, but if the Raiders let Murray go and take 1 of the big RBs coming out.... dream scenario for fantasy

So you liked the way Murray was used or did you feel you had a handle on when to start him or not? I know they have a good OL but I don't consider a plus landing spot due mainly to the presence of Washington/Richard. I don't see them going away and they are drains in general but especially so in PPR formats.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

So you liked the way Murray was used or did you feel you had a handle on when to start him or not? I know they have a good OL but I don't consider a plus landing spot due mainly to the presence of Washington/Richard. I don't see them going away and they are drains in general but especially so in PPR formats.

I'm guessing he means because the Raiders have a young high powered offense that looks like it will be together for years.  You can make the argument that RBBC was out of necessity there rather than design (Del Rio has certainly had his fair share of feature backs).  If they grab someone good enough to use in a featured role, there are only a small handful of offenses that would be more desirable than Oakland going forward.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

I don't think he makes any noise but if he did it would not be asking to be traded but  asking to be cut. Jerry loves him, even Aikman was on radio last week saying that he was like a son to Jerry. In that interview they asked Aikman if JJ should do a solid to Romo by releasing him so he could control his landing spot and Aikman said no way, that you always maximize your assets and make moves for good of team over player and added that Romo had been paid two years for doing nothing and that's what Jerry owed him, nothing.

So he won't need to make any noise to get out of Dallas, that is going to go down but the timing might make Romo unhappy. I could see Dallas allowing Romo to allow his agent to discuss parameters with other teams or to make an agreement in principle on a trade but it's going to be hard for Dallas to cut or trade Romo before June 1. If they cut or trade him before June 1 he would count $31.7 million  in dead salary cap space and save $41.7 million against the cap. If they do it after June 1 that dead money drops to $19.6 million and salary cap savings jump up to $54 million.  All numbers from Overthecap.com and I'm not sure how it all works out but that is how they show it.

yeah he ain't getting cut so I wasn't even considering that.....however I am sure they will do their best to try and work out a trade whose destination Tony would be happy with....Denver doesn't need much besides some oline help and maybe a DT.....they could part with some picks.... 

 

[menobrown]

I'm guessing he means because the Raiders have a young high powered offense that looks like it will be together for years.  You can make the argument that RBBC was out of necessity there rather than design (Del Rio has certainly had his fair share of feature backs).  If they grab someone good enough to use in a featured role, there are only a small handful of offenses that would be more desirable than Oakland going forward.

I do 100% think the Raiders RBBC was by design not out of necessity and I'd argue the few times JDR did not utilize the RBBC was out of necessity when he did not have  two viable RB's. When he did, like Taylor/MJD, he ran a RBBC. Washington and Richard both look like very good RB's, both with 3 years left on league minimum type contracts and both have elements to their game similar to MJD. I agree the offensive is high powered and I think they have second best OL in the NFL but I feel strongly that the upside is limited here despite those things. I'd consider it a good landing spot, not great.

 

[menobrown]

yeah he ain't getting cut so I wasn't even considering that.....however I am sure they will do their best to try and work out a trade whose destination Tony would be happy with....Denver doesn't need much besides some oline help and maybe a DT.....they could part with some picks.... 

Was listening to local DFW sports radio last week and someone had a out of the box idea that probably has zero chance of going down but I liked the way they think.

If they cut/trade Romo they eat dead money and cap space and trading him causes obstacle of working  around his contract to team acquiring him. Now you got that plus knowing Jerry's loyalty in general but especially as it relates to his very close relationship with Romo.

So here is the out of the box idea someone had. What if Dallas thought they feel good about Romo's health, don't want to eat a bunch of salary cap money and know they won't get a ton in a trade for an older QB coming of two injury marred seasons and instead so they keep him and trade Dak instead? Sounds crazy, probably is, but can you imagine the haul they would get for a QB like Dak who is somewhat proven and stuck on rookie contract for 3 more seasons without any chance to renegotiate for two more seasons?

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I do 100% think the Raiders RBBC was by design not out of necessity and I'd argue the few times JDR did not utilize the RBBC was out of necessity when he did not have  two viable RB's. When he did, like Taylor/MJD, he ran a RBBC. Washington and Richard both look like very good RB's, both with 3 years left on league minimum type contracts and both have elements to their game similar to MJD. I agree the offensive is high powered and I think they have second best OL in the NFL but I feel strongly that the upside is limited here despite those things. I'd consider it a good landing spot, not great.

i cannot offer much insight into the Raiders of this year but I disagree with the way you've characterized Del Rio's time in Jacksonville.

The Jags happened to end up with two of the best RBs of their respective eras on the team at the same time.  They only drafted MJD in the first place because at the time Fred Taylor was a 29 year old guy coming off an injury riddled down year where he looked like he was done.  He bounced back rather unexpectedly and they ended up with two great backs at the same time.  When Taylor finally did move on Del Rio made absolutely zero effort to bring in another committee back, spending only a 7th round pick on Rashad Jennings during MJD's time as the featured runner.

And speaking of Jennings, he actually ended up being a pretty good RB but even he didn't really cut into MJD's workload at all until after Del Rio left town.

Not having two elite RBs on the team at the same time does not qualify as "necessity".  A coach that prefers RBBC is one that forces it even when he has a back that's clearly better on the team, which Del Rio never did.  In fact, Rashad Jennings was far better than the 2nd option in most RBBCs and Del Rio still didn't use a RBBC with him.

 

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i cannot offer much insight into the Raiders of this year but I disagree with the way you've characterized Del Rio's time in Jacksonville.

The Jags happened to end up with two of the best RBs of their respective eras on the team at the same time.  They only drafted MJD in the first place because at the time Fred Taylor was a 29 year old guy coming off an injury riddled down year where he looked like he was done.  He bounced back rather unexpectedly and they ended up with two great backs at the same time.  When Taylor finally did move on Del Rio made absolutely zero effort to bring in another committee back, spending only a 7th round pick on Rashad Jennings during MJD's time as the featured runner.

And speaking of Jennings, he actually ended up being a pretty good RB but even he didn't really cut into MJD's workload at all until after Del Rio left town.

Not having two elite RBs on the team at the same time does not qualify as "necessity".  A coach that prefers RBBC is one that forces it even when he has a back that's clearly better on the team, which Del Rio never did.  In fact, Rashad Jennings was far better than the 2nd option in most RBBCs and Del Rio still didn't use a RBBC with him.

I think it's you that characterized his time in Jacksonville wrong, I think you are off base with what his gameplan was this year in Oakland and will continue to be wrong if you think he's not going to heavily use both Washington and Richard in a RBBC for the next few seasons. If in fact they are not the two main RB's. He did not just happen to have two good RB's in Jacksonsville, he picked on in second round and not buying your reasons or feel Jennings merits being in this discussion for a variety of reasons.

Safe to say we'll agree to disagree, I'm done and I say that with no animosity or ill will just said what I got to say. Feel free to get last word in, floor is yours.

 

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Gilmore and Berry to Chicago 

 

[flapgreen]

Agreed - between his injury history, the emergence of Meredith, and the still promise of White, I can't see the Bears giving him franchise-type money. Maybe he comes back at a reduced rate if the market isn't as hot for his services as he thinks, but I'm sure some team will pony up for him.

The Bears will re-sign him.  Not even a question 

 

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Oakland OL was #1 in pass pro and #11 in run blocking according to Football Outsiders. Don't view OAK as any more desirable than Henry in TEN or WAS, IND, or PHI if they draft one high.

I think Richard is a better RB than anyone in WAS, IND, or PHI.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Was listening to local DFW sports radio last week and someone had a out of the box idea that probably has zero chance of going down but I liked the way they think.

If they cut/trade Romo they eat dead money and cap space and trading him causes obstacle of working  around his contract to team acquiring him. Now you got that plus knowing Jerry's loyalty in general but especially as it relates to his very close relationship with Romo.

So here is the out of the box idea someone had. What if Dallas thought they feel good about Romo's health, don't want to eat a bunch of salary cap money and know they won't get a ton in a trade for an older QB coming of two injury marred seasons and instead so they keep him and trade Dak instead? Sounds crazy, probably is, but can you imagine the haul they would get for a QB like Dak who is somewhat proven and stuck on rookie contract for 3 more seasons without any chance to renegotiate for two more seasons?

Yep, that's outside the box alright

 

[Interseptopus]

Was listening to local DFW sports radio last week and someone had a out of the box idea that probably has zero chance of going down but I liked the way they think.

If they cut/trade Romo they eat dead money and cap space and trading him causes obstacle of working  around his contract to team acquiring him. Now you got that plus knowing Jerry's loyalty in general but especially as it relates to his very close relationship with Romo.

So here is the out of the box idea someone had. What if Dallas thought they feel good about Romo's health, don't want to eat a bunch of salary cap money and know they won't get a ton in a trade for an older QB coming of two injury marred seasons and instead so they keep him and trade Dak instead? Sounds crazy, probably is, but can you imagine the haul they would get for a QB like Dak who is somewhat proven and stuck on rookie contract for 3 more seasons without any chance to renegotiate for two more seasons?

Never will happen. You can talk to Flapper about how difficult it is to find a good franchise QB. Romo has 1 good year, maybe 2 left in his tank. As much as this won't happen I do like the idea though. At first glace you have to scoff at it but when I think about it I start to like it more. 

Overall I am not a big fan of Dak... I think he is a serviceable QB. He hasn't made many mistakes the lose games but I don't see him as a Brady/Rodgers/Roethlisberger/Brees/etc who will put the team on their back and win games. I honestly see him coming down to earth and being a QB ranked 15-20 statistically. Maybe that's what Dallas needs. I don't know. You're right though, Dak's stock is probably at the highest it will ever be; promising rookie with 3 years left on his contract. He would bring quite the haul. 

Let's pretend Cleveland gives up 1.01, or even Chicago or SF give up their 1st rounder. Now you're talking about being able to land one of the top 2 QBs in the draft, let him sit behind Romo for a year or two and then still probably have other draft picks to show for the trade (he could quite possibly land DAL two 1st rounders). I like the idea. It won't happen but if it were to happen it would be our "Herschel Walker Trade."