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Where would AP of been drafted if he were in the 05' draft? (1 Viewer)
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prymetyme25
Footballguy
Would probably still be ahead of those guys.
trader jake
Footballguy
Miami would have selected him at 1.02
Blackjacks
Footballguy
Brown dynasty owner here and I actual agree. Except for the small injuries he has had as a concern I would rather have AP over Brown, Caddy and Benson. If purely going on talent I think AP is the best of the 4.
Guinis72
Footballguy
I agree with the posts above. He would have been the #1 RB in that class. I could see him drafted ahead of Bush last year as well just based off NFL coaches thinking his style & size may translate better before he was injured yet again this year raising some durability questions.
trader jake
Footballguy
I would disagree with that. AP would not have gone ahead of Reggie Bush last season.
if teams knew then what they know now.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Those 3 guys were all Top 5 picks. AP may or may not be a Top 5 pick this time around. Was that class weaker at other positions than this class?
Guinis72
Footballguy
Really? Good to know that in that imaginary circumstance I'm wrong. Lol.
redman
Footballguy
In addition to the impressive RB's there were three elite CB's going in - PacMan, Carlos Rogers, and Antrelle Rolle - but generally that draft was not considered deep. For example, Alex Barron, Travis Johnson, Matt Jones and Roddy White were all taken in the first round.
another question to ask would be...
what classes in recent history WOULDN'T he have been the #1 RB prospect?
my guess would be not many...
not sure about last year because of bush... that is debateable...
almost certainly the class you are focusing on...
i think he would have been taken ahead of steven jackson (jackson, perry, KJ, JJ, bell class)... maybe he shouldn't have been, based on how good jackson looks now... but that is a different story...
i forget if mcgahee & LJ were in same class, but they were relatively low picks...
even in LT class, we didn't know how good he would be at the time, so he might even have been first in THAT class (debateable again)...
phrases like once-in-a-generation & best prospect in a decade ARE overused a lot, but lets just say AD HAS to be one of top prospects in past decade (so was bush, & that was just last year
)...
what classes in recent history WOULDN'T he have been the #1 RB prospect?
my guess would be not many...
not sure about last year because of bush... that is debateable...
almost certainly the class you are focusing on...
i think he would have been taken ahead of steven jackson (jackson, perry, KJ, JJ, bell class)... maybe he shouldn't have been, based on how good jackson looks now... but that is a different story...
i forget if mcgahee & LJ were in same class, but they were relatively low picks...
even in LT class, we didn't know how good he would be at the time, so he might even have been first in THAT class (debateable again)...
phrases like once-in-a-generation & best prospect in a decade ARE overused a lot, but lets just say AD HAS to be one of top prospects in past decade (so was bush, & that was just last year
)...
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EBF
Footballguy
I agree with this. I think Bush was a better athlete, player, and prospect, but Peterson is probably the best pure runner to come along in years. On the downside, he doesn't have an ideal RB body and his lateral quickness is unspectacular. He's basically a glorified straight-line runner, but he has very good balance and strength, and he's just nifty enough to get a little extra here and there.
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nathanbalboa
Footballguy
I think Ronnie Brown was a hotter back in 2005 (he had an awesome combine) and Gruden loved Caddy (after working with him at the Senior Bowl) so I think he might still have drafted him over AP. I think he would've gone ahead of Benson though.
its hard to say, since peterson wasn't in that class... if he had been, he would have had a great combine along with brown... & its hard to know if gruden might have liked AD even more, as much as he liked caddy... we don't really know, but imo there is distinct possibility AD would have been #1 RB in that class...
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
He didn't say you were wrong, he just gave his predicition in a hypothetical.
EBF
Footballguy
I disagree. Ronnie Brown at #2 to the 'Phins was one of those picks that had me
at the TV screen. Yea, he was projected to go very high, but I had to see it with my own eyes to believe an NFL team actually had him ranked that high. IMO, he was the workout warrior of workout warriors. Never has a fast 40 time done so much good for a guy's wallet.I don't think he stands up to Peterson as a prospect at all.
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fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Peterson would have been drafted first in the 2005 draft. Such a weak class, nobody stood out at the top. Look at the top 10, pathetic.
1 Alex Smith QB Utah
2 Ronnie Brown RB Auburn
3 Braylon Edwards WR Michigan
4 Cedric Benson RB Texas
5 Cadillac Williams RB Auburn
6 Adam Jones CB West Virginia
7 Troy Williamson WR South Carolina
8 Antrel Rolle CB Miami
9 Carlos Rogers CB Auburn
10 Mike Williams WR USC
1 Alex Smith QB Utah
2 Ronnie Brown RB Auburn
3 Braylon Edwards WR Michigan
4 Cedric Benson RB Texas
5 Cadillac Williams RB Auburn
6 Adam Jones CB West Virginia
7 Troy Williamson WR South Carolina
8 Antrel Rolle CB Miami
9 Carlos Rogers CB Auburn
10 Mike Williams WR USC
Sabertooth
Footballguy
11. Shawn Merriman12. Demarcus WareIIRC
trader jake
Footballguy
Exactly. With Houston holding the 1.01 pick anything could have occurred including them selecting AP.Entering the draft the only blemishes on Reggie Bush's resume had to do with his financial dealings with future business associates. AP looks to be a top ranked prospect this year but there are more on the field concerns with him than there were with Bush entering their drafts. Bush's measurables at the combine were also better than Peterson's. Maybe Houston would have felt AP was a better fit for their scheme and selected him. I don't believe so but it's possible.
trader jake
Footballguy
Maybe but the 49ers seemed very set on selecting Alex Smith at 1.01 or trading down (the most likely team at the time being Tampa parting w/ 1.05+. In this draft TB selected Simms with the last pick in the 3rd). Later in the draft the 49ers selected Frank Gore to be their future back. I doubt SF would have passed up talent at QB to select AP if they had their eyes on Gore with a later selection.
-OZ-
Footballguy
11 Dallas DeMarcus Ware OLB Troy12 San Diego Shawne Merriman OLB Maryland13 New Orleans Jammal Brown T Oklahoma14 Carolina Thomas Davis OLB Georgia15 Kansas City Derrick Johnson OLB Texas16 Houston Travis Johnson DT Florida State17 Cincinnati David Pollack OLB Georgia18 Minnesota Erasmus James DE Wisconsin19 St. Louis Alex Barron T Florida State20 Dallas Marcus Spears DE Louisiana State21 Jacksonville Matt Jones WR Arkansas22 Baltimore Mark Clayton WR Oklahoma23 Oakland Fabian Washington CB Nebraska24 Green Bay Aaron Rodgers QB California25 Washington Jason Campbell QB Auburn26 Seattle Chris Spencer C Mississippi27 Atlanta Roddy White WR Ala.-Birmingham28 San Diego Luis Castillo DE Northwestern29 Indianapolis Marlin Jackson CB Michigan30 Pittsburgh Heath Miller TE Virginia31 Philadelphia Mike Patterson DT Southern California32 New England Logan Mankins G Fresno StateOddly enough, the bottom 10 from the 1st round might be better than the top 10.
cmv5
Footballguy
It's easy to forget how good of a prospect Ronnie Brown was coming out of college. I know it is easy to say that he was a Workout warrior but he has skills that translate very well to the pro level. It is very easy to say in hindsight that AP would go before all these guys, but let's not forget he also has a serious injury history.
Scouts.com at the time had Ronnie Brown ranked a 98, Peterson received a 97 by the same grading scale. I know it is not gospel or anything but it is just further proof that at the time, people were thinking Ronnie Brown would be a world beater (I am not saying he still can't become one). Further proof you have to wait until they get in the actual game before fully assessing their skills.
Scouts.com at the time had Ronnie Brown ranked a 98, Peterson received a 97 by the same grading scale. I know it is not gospel or anything but it is just further proof that at the time, people were thinking Ronnie Brown would be a world beater (I am not saying he still can't become one). Further proof you have to wait until they get in the actual game before fully assessing their skills.
brown was not without questions, too...he also had a history of dings in college (as did caddy, though admittedly neither as severe as AD... though they have had some injuries as pros, also, especially caddy)... also, he had same question as caddy & for same reason... they split time, & there was the inevitable question of whether he could handle the carries of a feature RB (brown is bigger than caddy, but not as elusive, so that is arguably a tradeoff)... peterson did have playing time attrition from injuries, but when healthy, he left little doubt he can be a bell cow type RB...
EBF
Footballguy
To me, there's no similarity between these two. Ronnie Brown was a numbers guy. He's big and fast. That got teams excited, but his production never warranted the hype. Did he even have a single 1,000 yard season in college? Dude was an awful pick. The most overhyped RB in the past five drafts. Easy. Benson was a nutjob with weak workout numbers, but at least he backed it up with a monster college career.
