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Where would Colston go if the NFL draft was tomorrow? (1 Viewer)
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Moldy Potato
Footballguy
Considering its so hard to find proven players, I don't think #1 overall is that big of a stretch. I mean really, who else?
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Houston takes Bush at #1, then New Orleans would take Colston #2 instead of 252. Maybe
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
#1 overall and I don't think its even remotely close. This guy is putting up numbers that might just be the greatest rookie WR year of all time.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Putting up FF numbers is different than being drafted number 1 in the NFL...I'm not seeing him go b4 any of the top 3 QB that were taken in the draft...especially not as hard as they are to come by. I bet Colston would drop a lot further than many of you believe.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
Maybe a better question would be where would he go in a fantasy draft. In that case, he'd have to be the WR pick after maybe both Colts, Smith and Holt. Maybe Roy Williams, too.
Vintage_Football
Footballguy
after both colts??? why would you mention RWayne, and not mention T.O...CJohnson,...Larry Fitzgerald or Anquon Boldin,...? I'm a RWayne fan,..but you leave out some big names that would be taken ahead of Colston and especially RWayne.
Moldy Potato
Footballguy
That dominating, game-changing 11 catch performance I watched yesterday was reality, not fantasy. Anyone who thinks his real-life value has not matched his fantasy value has not watched many Saints games this season. #1 overall. Easy pick.Next question?
Vintage_Football
Footballguy
It all depends on what each team needs,...he might have been taken over CJackson or SHolmes...but not No.1. You might not see a WR took as a No.1
Hendo
Footballguy
theres this guy named Javon Walker up in Denver who's kinda good too... oh and i'd take Maroney over him btw.after both colts??? why would you mention RWayne, and not mention T.O...CJohnson,...Larry Fitzgerald or Anquon Boldin,...? I'm a RWayne fan,..but you leave out some big names that would be taken ahead of Colston and especially RWayne.
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humphrp
Footballguy
This may kind of change the purpose of this thread but I really don't want to start another Colsten thread. Seeing as a bunch of us do not have Colsten what is the consensus on his trade value. In a keeper or dynasty situation would you trade someone like Turner or Jacobs (good RB prospects) or your next years #1? Thoughts on trade value. I think this guy is the next stud WR. I think he is another Anquan Boldin. I know that I would want him on my team
One last thought or question. How much is his value tied to Drew Brees. Would he be successful anywhere, or just in NO.
One last thought or question. How much is his value tied to Drew Brees. Would he be successful anywhere, or just in NO.
marinolives13
Footballguy
I think he would still be good, but his numbers would be lower! Look at Antonio Gates, Numbers are down, because Phillip Rivers is blind to the tight end.
I don't think he is blind to the TE. Brees's saftey dump was Gates, Rivers is LT. I think as Rivers gets more and more comfortable over the next couple of years you will see him leaning more Gates's way.
somewhere in the 10-15 range.
Pnishthm
Footballguy
Do you honestly mean that you'd take Chad Johnson over Colston for this season if you knew then what you know now?after both colts??? why would you mention RWayne, and not mention T.O...CJohnson,...Larry Fitzgerald or Anquon Boldin,...? I'm a RWayne fan,..but you leave out some big names that would be taken ahead of Colston and especially RWayne.
skillz
Footballguy
I think Matt Millen would have taken him at the Lions pick to keep his WR streak alive. Oh wait, Colston actually panned out as an NFL player so I guess Millen would not have picked him then.
I am thinking Colston would go 10-15 range (Minnesota, or Cleveland could really use him) although out of the Top 10 teams I think the Jets would have made the most sense. They really need a playmaker on that offense and Colston would have been the answer.
I am thinking Colston would go 10-15 range (Minnesota, or Cleveland could really use him) although out of the Top 10 teams I think the Jets would have made the most sense. They really need a playmaker on that offense and Colston would have been the answer.
djcolts
Footballguy
I posted this in another thread this morning:
Chris Landry, Fox Sport Radio's expert (who actually watches film) - says that Reggie Bush really opens up the offense for Colston. I respect his opinion - he doesn't hype players to hype players.
Other 1st round rookies that he thinks are doing really well (at least those that aren't hurt):
Tamba Hali (sorry about the spelling, Chief fans) ("Should have been drafted much higher")
Maroney ("Oustanding")
Nick Mangold ("Among the best 1st round picks in the draft")
Addai ("Doing very well")
Chris Landry, Fox Sport Radio's expert (who actually watches film) - says that Reggie Bush really opens up the offense for Colston. I respect his opinion - he doesn't hype players to hype players.
Other 1st round rookies that he thinks are doing really well (at least those that aren't hurt):
Tamba Hali (sorry about the spelling, Chief fans) ("Should have been drafted much higher")
Maroney ("Oustanding")
Nick Mangold ("Among the best 1st round picks in the draft")
Addai ("Doing very well")
ATC1
Footballguy
Exactly how does R. Bush help Colston make incredible catches like he has been snagging. Against TB Colston was well covered throughout the game, but Brees put the ball excatly where only Colston could get it and he made the play. I guess Bush helps motivate Colston?
Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
Where did Tony G, Antonio Gates, KW2 and Shockey go ??
He's a better TE than all of them so definately before wherever they were taken.
Maybe SF should have taken Colston instead of Vernon Davis.
Colston will be the best TE of all time.
He's a better TE than all of them so definately before wherever they were taken.
Maybe SF should have taken Colston instead of Vernon Davis.
Colston will be the best TE of all time.
Pied Piper
Footballguy
Thats a crock.It seems to me that this is the new OUT for those who drank the Bush kool aid and help to build the Bush Hype Machine.
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Exactly how does R. Bush help Colston make incredible catches like he has been snagging. Against TB Colston was well covered throughout the game, but Brees put the ball excatly where only Colston could get it and he made the play. I guess Bush helps motivate Colston?
While I understand that defenses gameplan for Bush, it isn't like Bush, Brees and probably Colston are going anywhere else in the foreseeable future.Is this play action fake thing a new play that the Saints introduced just for Reggie Bush? I don't think I have ever heard of it, or at least I have never seen an NFL team be successful with it in the past. As I recall, I believe Johnny Wokenfuss of FOX News said on Sunday that not one previous play action fake in the history of the NFL was successful since no LB/Safety had ever bit on one before Reggie Bush. He analyzed every play and said that Colston would only have 3 receptions for 32 yards if the Saints had taken DeBrickshaw Ferguson instead of Bush. He said point blank that a play action fake to Deuce McAllister would not work. 
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redman
Footballguy
I take it this is based upon your extensive film study?
djcolts
Footballguy
Out of all the radio and TV "experts" out there, Landry hypes players less than just about anyone.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I don`t know..but if the Saints had to choose between keeping Colston or Reggie Bush I think I know who they would keep.
Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
I'd keep a stud future RB over a stud TE any day
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Who is the stud future RB? And Colston is not a TE.
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Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
Bush will be a stud ala Marshall FaulkColston is indeed a TE ask Brandon Fuston.
redman
Footballguy
This schtick suXor.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
You are way off in your assessment. Potential franchise QBs will always go before a WR. Also some of the OL/DL guys would still go ahead of him. He would be lucky to get drafted in the 1st round...honestly you're not even thinking clearly here. You're looking at it thru rose colored FF glasses. But we can agree to disagree I guess.
It isn't that at all. Everything I have seen about how Bush is helping Colston mentions play action fakes. Heck, those have been around forever and guess what, they actually work and help ALL WRs get big plays. By definition if the defense bites on a play action fake, the WRs should be more open and thus make bigger plays than if the defense doesn't bite. Reggie Bush did not invent the play action fake. Something tells me that McAlister is probably pretty effective at drawing guys in on a good play action fake.It amazes me that Colston is having one of the best rookie WR campaigns ever and every time he is lauded, the Bush discussion comes in. Face it, McAlister has 5 TDs and more than twice the rushing yards as Bush and Colston has 7TDs and more than twice the receiving yards as Bush. Heck, until this week (when Horn did not play), Bush was 4th on his team in terms of total yards behind Colston, McAlister and Horn. Yes, Bush contributes to the offense, but so do McAlister and Horn who probably have had as much impact on Colston as Bush has.
Sure there are duds like Michael Clayton, but the last 2 other WRs that I remember having seasons like this were Boldin and Moss and they are pretty much confirmed studs. So either Colston is going to become an even bigger flop than Clayton or he is a stud. Based on the fact that Brees, Bush and McAlister are all in the first or second years of their new contracts, I think Colston will continue to have success.
Lucky to be in the 1st round? Deion Branch got a huge contract from Seattle and they were willing to give up a 1st round pick for him. Do you realize that there are 32 picks? Feel free to list all 32 guys you would select in the 1st round over Colston because I only see 3 franchise QBs, one of whom we don't know if he is any good or not yet.Also, going back to 1982, there have been 89 WRs selected in the 1st round, or 3.7 per year, so I guess NFL teams seem to have first round value on WRs. That includes 7 taken in 2004 and 6 in 2005, so this isn't something that has changed in recent history. Don't try to state that WRs bust out more often, because I have looked quite a bit at the draft history and it sure seems to me that every position seems to have as many busts as every other one.If you knew that there is a good chance that Colston was on the level of Anquan Boldin/Randy Moss and all of the stud WRs (CJ, Holt, Smith, etc.) and you actually got half a season to see proof of that, there is no way he slips out of the 1st round.ETA: By the way, if you really think that WRs aren't very valuable, then I think there are a bunch of Super Bowl Winning teams, like Swann and Stallworth's Steelers, Rice's 49ers and Irvin's Cowboys that would say they were quite valuable to their team. Oh, I forgot to mention that Swann, Irvin and Rice were all 1st round picks.ETA Again: I thought it would be interesting to look at the top WRs in the game over the past couple years and see where they were drafted.1st Round Picks: Moss, Harrison, Holt, Wayne, Fitzgerald, Roy Williams, Andre Johnson, Javon Walker, Santana Moss, Burress, Keyshawn, Moulds2nd Round Picks: Boldin, Chad Johnson, Chambers, Muhammad3rd Round Picks: Steve Smith, Coles, Darrell Jackson, Ward, TOLots of 1st round picks and I would bet that all of the 2nd round/3rd round picks would have gone in the 1st round if GMs had seen the same success with them that we have seen with Colston. Maybe I missed someone, but it sure seems like there are some good WRs picked later on, but there sure don't seem to be any (looking back to about 1997) Tom Brady's, Terrell Davis', Priest Holmes', etc. in terms of WRs. If you want a true stud WR, you sure seem to have to take them early.
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Pied Piper
Footballguy
djcolts
Footballguy
Landry didn't mention play-action fakes. He talked about Bush in the passing game opening up things for Colston.I really don't have a dog in this fight - so I'm just reporting what he said - right or wrong.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
I forgot about TO, so he could be added. I could see making a case for Boldin, too. But not Fitzgerald coming back from an injury and basically no time with Leinart. Chad Johnson shouldn't really be in the discussion imo. And I like Wayne. He's a #1 WR for fantasy teams.after both colts??? why would you mention RWayne, and not mention T.O...CJohnson,...Larry Fitzgerald or Anquon Boldin,...? I'm a RWayne fan,..but you leave out some big names that would be taken ahead of Colston and especially RWayne.
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PahtyTom
Footballguy
NO CHANCE Houston would change its mind and take Bush. Colston would be the first WR off the board in the 'teens.
He isn't doing better than Boldin did his rookie year, is he? This guy played HS football in the Harrisburg, PA area, and he was good but not unreal! This guy has come out of nowhere!
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Rookie Moss through 8: 593 and 6Rookie Boldin through 8: 672 and 3Rookie Colston through 8: 700 and 7
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Vikes Fan
Footballguy
I know Greenway still has 
but if the Vikings passed on Colston with the hands issues at WR, I think there would be a linchmob at Winterpark.
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guderian
Footballguy
I'm guessing you haven't seen many Saints games. It's not the play fake, but when they swing Bush out on pass routes that the defense cheats toward Bush and it leaves Colston in single coverage. There are numerous times when Bush will swing to the flat and draw two defenders and Brees will hit Colston, or Horn or whoever over the top. I'm not sure why NFL DC's are still building their game plans around Bush, but they are and it doesn't have to do with play action.Exactly how does R. Bush help Colston make incredible catches like he has been snagging. Against TB Colston was well covered throughout the game, but Brees put the ball excatly where only Colston could get it and he made the play. I guess Bush helps motivate Colston?
1 Houston Reggie Bush - RB
2 New Orleans Mario Williams - DE
3 Tennessee Vince Young - QB
4 New York Laurence Maroney - RB
5 Green Bay D'Brickashaw Ferguson - OT
6 San Francisco Marques Colston - WR
7 Oakland Matt Leinart - QB
8 Buffalo Vernon Davis - TE
9 Detroit Tamba Hali - DE
10 Arizona Ernie Sims - OLB
Moved In: Maroney, Colston, Hali
Dropped Out: Hawk, Huff, Whitner
Almost: Nick Mangold, DeMeco Ryans
2 New Orleans Mario Williams - DE
3 Tennessee Vince Young - QB
4 New York Laurence Maroney - RB
5 Green Bay D'Brickashaw Ferguson - OT
6 San Francisco Marques Colston - WR
7 Oakland Matt Leinart - QB
8 Buffalo Vernon Davis - TE
9 Detroit Tamba Hali - DE
10 Arizona Ernie Sims - OLB
Moved In: Maroney, Colston, Hali
Dropped Out: Hawk, Huff, Whitner
Almost: Nick Mangold, DeMeco Ryans
dotman
Footballguy
I like this top 10 a lot, but why flip flop Williams and Bush? Mario is actually playing pretty well and was disruptive against the Giants. I don't think Reggie has done anything to change the minds of the Texans front office.
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MLBrandow
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There's a website I can't recall that does this either midseason or at the end of the season, redoing the draft based on rookie performances.
It's a really interesting read, and I didn't see it mentioned in this thread.
If anyone knows what I'm vaguely attempting to refer to, please post a link
It's a really interesting read, and I didn't see it mentioned in this thread.
If anyone knows what I'm vaguely attempting to refer to, please post a link
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Why in the world would Buffalo take Vernon Davis? They didn't want him to begin with. Whitner has been very good for them so far and Vernon Davis has sucked. That makes absolutely zero sense.And while the Jets could use a RB pretty badly, I still think that they'd take Ferguson. He has done pretty well for them and will be a stud LT for a long time.
I can see how the Bills wanted to go Defense but I find it hard to beleive they wouldn't even consider Davis. Their passing game just pathetic. I definitly don't think they would pass on Colston. (I still think this is hilarious since every team passed on him between 5-8 times)Ferguson wouldn't be bad, but Maroney will be a STUD.
ESPN has done it with Basketball, that's about the only thing I can thnik of.There's a website I can't recall that does this either midseason or at the end of the season, redoing the draft based on rookie performances.It's a really interesting read, and I didn't see it mentioned in this thread.If anyone knows what I'm vaguely attempting to refer to, please post a link
it's not what Reggie has done, it's what Lundy/Gado/Dayne HAVEN'T.Bush critics aside, he would have won them at least one more game than they've won so far. They need a weapon loike Bush more than just a RB.Williams is obviously not a bust as he would go no later than 2 IMO.
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