Where's DeAngelo (1 Viewer)

[Born to Run]

There has been a lot of hype for the rookie RBs this preseason except for DeAngelo. Has he fallen to sleeper status for dynasty/keeper leagues? I'm thinkin' I might get him on the cheap in my upcoming keeper league draft

 

[Keys Myaths]

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[Woz]

I took him in the 7th of a 12 teamer because I drafted Foster in the 4th. Probably would have considered him in the 8th or 9th (assuming no significant falls of other players that I couldn't pass up) without Foster. In any good league, the Foster owner should grab him prior to round 8 in a 12 teamer. A round or two later in lesser team leagues.

 

[joey]

I took him in the 7th of a 12 teamer because I drafted Foster in the 4th. Probably would have considered him in the 8th or 9th (assuming no significant falls of other players that I couldn't pass up) without Foster. In any good league, the Foster owner should grab him prior to round 8 in a 12 teamer. A round or two later in lesser team leagues.

I drafted 12th in a 12 team league last night.Grabbed Foster at the 3/4 turn and DeAngelo at the 5/6 turn.Couldn't take the chance of him making it all the way back tome at the 7/8.I'm loving that combo this year since I feel the CAR RB willnot be a RBBC commmittee. It's DeShaun until injury andthen DeAngelo.Poor man's Priest/LJ handcuff?

 

[Arm Chair Express]

I took him in the 7th of a 12 teamer because I drafted Foster in the 4th. Probably would have considered him in the 8th or 9th (assuming no significant falls of other players that I couldn't pass up) without Foster. In any good league, the Foster owner should grab him prior to round 8 in a 12 teamer. A round or two later in lesser team leagues.

Confirmed: I also took Foster in the fourth and was set to take Williams in the 8th and he went 2 picks before my pick. I drafted accordingly and made a trade after the draft to get Williams.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

I took him in the 7th of a 12 teamer because I drafted Foster in the 4th. Probably would have considered him in the 8th or 9th (assuming no significant falls of other players that I couldn't pass up) without Foster. In any good league, the Foster owner should grab him prior to round 8 in a 12 teamer. A round or two later in lesser team leagues.

I drafted 12th in a 12 team league last night.Grabbed Foster at the 3/4 turn and DeAngelo at the 5/6 turn.Couldn't take the chance of him making it all the way back tome at the 7/8.I'm loving that combo this year since I feel the CAR RB willnot be a RBBC commmittee. It's DeShaun until injury andthen DeAngelo.Poor man's Priest/LJ handcuff?

Sure, but is it worth it?

 

[Warpig]

I think he may be slipping a bit. Last I read, Foster is going to be the man all season barring injury. Goings is #2 on the depth chart and may also come in on 3rd downs and goalline situations.

Regardless, I got Deshaun and Deangelo in my auction draft as a handcuff. Goings will be available on WW.

 

[Banger]

k.

 

[tri-man 47]

Where is he? I believe he's still running after that long return for a TD the other night.

:forrestgump:

 

[simey]

I think he may be slipping a bit. Last I read, Foster is going to be the man all season barring injury. Goings is #2 on the depth chart and may also come in on 3rd downs and goalline situations.

DeAngelo is #2. He hasn't slipped. Goings will get some action too. OC Henning said that they will never forget what Goings did for them in 2004, and he will be in the mix.Shelton is more than likely going to be cut. Henning said this yesterday about Shelton:

"He does not show the types of abilities, and hasn't since he's been here, to be that back who can be an every-down back or even a third-down back," said Henning. "We go by what we see and you have to give the opportunity to the people you think are going to be playing."

 

[Desert_Power]

Got great value on him in my keeper draft this week.

 

[TenMidgets]

He hasn't slipped at all -- went in the beginning of the 4th round in my keeper eague last night and the 8th round in a redraft.

 

[joey]

I took him in the 7th of a 12 teamer because I drafted Foster in the 4th. Probably would have considered him in the 8th or 9th (assuming no significant falls of other players that I couldn't pass up) without Foster. In any good league, the Foster owner should grab him prior to round 8 in a 12 teamer. A round or two later in lesser team leagues.

I drafted 12th in a 12 team league last night.Grabbed Foster at the 3/4 turn and DeAngelo at the 5/6 turn.Couldn't take the chance of him making it all the way back tome at the 7/8.I'm loving that combo this year since I feel the CAR RB willnot be a RBBC commmittee. It's DeShaun until injury andthen DeAngelo.Poor man's Priest/LJ handcuff?

Sure, but is it worth it?

I think it's worth it considering what's available at RB for those drafting atthe bottom of a 12 team league. Foster has very good upside and I liked himmost of all the RBs that remained in my draft at the end of the 3rd (JLewis, CDillon [close 2nd to Foster], the Bell boys, CTaylor [no thanks], AGreen, FGore).I'm sure folks could make an argument for any of the above RBs over Fosterbut the Carolina offense and running game has proven to produce good numbers.Then, as I said, I felt I had no choice but to handcuff Foster with one of my 5/6turn picks since I didn't think he'd make it to the 7/8 turn.I ended up with: Lamont, Chad Johnson, Foster, S Moss, DeAngelo, T Jones.I guess I could've had: Lamont, C Johnson, C Dillon/C Taylor, S Moss, T Jones, F Taylor/Rhodes/CBrown.That would've given me 4 starting RBs with 4 picks instead of 3 starters with 4 picks but I personallyfeel better about having the CAR running game instead of Fred Taylor or the like.that was my thought process at least...

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

I took him in the 7th of a 12 teamer because I drafted Foster in the 4th. Probably would have considered him in the 8th or 9th (assuming no significant falls of other players that I couldn't pass up) without Foster. In any good league, the Foster owner should grab him prior to round 8 in a 12 teamer. A round or two later in lesser team leagues.

I drafted 12th in a 12 team league last night.Grabbed Foster at the 3/4 turn and DeAngelo at the 5/6 turn.Couldn't take the chance of him making it all the way back tome at the 7/8.I'm loving that combo this year since I feel the CAR RB willnot be a RBBC commmittee. It's DeShaun until injury andthen DeAngelo.Poor man's Priest/LJ handcuff?

Sure, but is it worth it?

I think it's worth it considering what's available at RB for those drafting atthe bottom of a 12 team league. Foster has very good upside and I liked himmost of all the RBs that remained in my draft at the end of the 3rd (JLewis, CDillon [close 2nd to Foster], the Bell boys, CTaylor [no thanks], AGreen, FGore).I'm sure folks could make an argument for any of the above RBs over Fosterbut the Carolina offense and running game has proven to produce good numbers.Then, as I said, I felt I had no choice but to handcuff Foster with one of my 5/6turn picks since I didn't think he'd make it to the 7/8 turn.I ended up with: Lamont, Chad Johnson, Foster, S Moss, DeAngelo, T Jones.I guess I could've had: Lamont, C Johnson, C Dillon/C Taylor, S Moss, T Jones, F Taylor/Rhodes/CBrown.That would've given me 4 starting RBs with 4 picks instead of 3 starters with 4 picks but I personallyfeel better about having the CAR running game instead of Fred Taylor or the like.that was my thought process at least...

I was talking about the COST of that handcuff -- a fifth AND a sixth. Kinda pricey is all.

 

[Domination]

I don't think he is slipping. My 12 team w/ 5 keeper league, he went #2 after Bush.

 

[joey]

Sure, but is it worth it?

I think it's worth it considering what's available at RB for those drafting atthe bottom of a 12 team league. Foster has very good upside and I liked himmost of all the RBs that remained in my draft at the end of the 3rd (JLewis, CDillon [close 2nd to Foster], the Bell boys, CTaylor [no thanks], AGreen, FGore).I'm sure folks could make an argument for any of the above RBs over Fosterbut the Carolina offense and running game has proven to produce good numbers.Then, as I said, I felt I had no choice but to handcuff Foster with one of my 5/6turn picks since I didn't think he'd make it to the 7/8 turn.I ended up with: Lamont, Chad Johnson, Foster, S Moss, DeAngelo, T Jones.I guess I could've had: Lamont, C Johnson, C Dillon/C Taylor, S Moss, T Jones, F Taylor/Rhodes/CBrown.That would've given me 4 starting RBs with 4 picks instead of 3 starters with 4 picks but I personallyfeel better about having the CAR running game instead of Fred Taylor or the like.that was my thought process at least...

I was talking about the COST of that handcuff -- a fifth AND a sixth. Kinda pricey is all.

The COST of that handcuff is exactly what I thought I was addressing.The question is: Is Foster and DeAngelo >>> CDillon and FTaylor ?In my opinion, Yes, Foster/DeAngelo is more valuable than Dillon and Fred Taylor(or CTaylor and Rhodes if you prefer). Heck, if I'd have drafted Dillon, I would'vehandcuffed him with Maroney at the 7/8 turn, so there's another 2 picks used ona single team RB.I listed my top 6 picks in my draft and potential alternative selections I could'vemade. The COST of the Foster/Williams handcuff is right there and I personallydon't think the cost was too steep considering what I would've ended up with.

 

[cstu]

I took him in the 7th of a 12 teamer because I drafted Foster in the 4th. Probably would have considered him in the 8th or 9th (assuming no significant falls of other players that I couldn't pass up) without Foster. In any good league, the Foster owner should grab him prior to round 8 in a 12 teamer. A round or two later in lesser team leagues.

I drafted 12th in a 12 team league last night.Grabbed Foster at the 3/4 turn and DeAngelo at the 5/6 turn.Couldn't take the chance of him making it all the way back tome at the 7/8.I'm loving that combo this year since I feel the CAR RB willnot be a RBBC commmittee. It's DeShaun until injury andthen DeAngelo.Poor man's Priest/LJ handcuff?

In a 4 player keeper (2 RB max), the guy with the #1 who took LJ did the same thing at the 2/3 turn. There were better options IMO (DeAngelo and KJ), but it's an interesting move and you're guaranteed a good running game as long as it doesn't turn into RBBC while Foster is healthy.

 

[Footballhead]

I was high on Deangelo before pre-season, now I'm not sure if he's worth that high of a pick. I've seen good clips of his runs in college, but I noticed most of his runs are to the outside. His vision and speed is very good, but everybody in NFL has speed. I want to see make some nice power run between the tackles, I've not seen any yet in the preseason...that and Carolina O-line is not that good. Keep an eye on him though, things can change fast. If the O-line improves, Deangelo will be gold.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

Sure, but is it worth it?

I think it's worth it considering what's available at RB for those drafting atthe bottom of a 12 team league. Foster has very good upside and I liked himmost of all the RBs that remained in my draft at the end of the 3rd (JLewis, CDillon [close 2nd to Foster], the Bell boys, CTaylor [no thanks], AGreen, FGore).I'm sure folks could make an argument for any of the above RBs over Fosterbut the Carolina offense and running game has proven to produce good numbers.Then, as I said, I felt I had no choice but to handcuff Foster with one of my 5/6turn picks since I didn't think he'd make it to the 7/8 turn.I ended up with: Lamont, Chad Johnson, Foster, S Moss, DeAngelo, T Jones.I guess I could've had: Lamont, C Johnson, C Dillon/C Taylor, S Moss, T Jones, F Taylor/Rhodes/CBrown.That would've given me 4 starting RBs with 4 picks instead of 3 starters with 4 picks but I personallyfeel better about having the CAR running game instead of Fred Taylor or the like.that was my thought process at least...

I was talking about the COST of that handcuff -- a fifth AND a sixth. Kinda pricey is all.

The COST of that handcuff is exactly what I thought I was addressing.The question is: Is Foster and DeAngelo >>> CDillon and FTaylor ?In my opinion, Yes, Foster/DeAngelo is more valuable than Dillon and Fred Taylor(or CTaylor and Rhodes if you prefer). Heck, if I'd have drafted Dillon, I would'vehandcuffed him with Maroney at the 7/8 turn, so there's another 2 picks used ona single team RB.I listed my top 6 picks in my draft and potential alternative selections I could'vemade. The COST of the Foster/Williams handcuff is right there and I personallydon't think the cost was too steep considering what I would've ended up with.

I was just kinda thinking out loud...you're fine, and I wasn't attacking you.To be more specific, I was comparing (in general) using two of your first six picks for a handcuff -- I wasn't really comparing it to other handcuffs, or needs at that point in your draft, for that matter.Like you said: "Poor man's Priest/LJ handcuff?" I am not sold on all these handcuffs this year in EARLIER rounds. I'll call it the "Larry Johnson Effect".

 

[BustedKnuckles]

CAROLINA — DeShaun Foster is the incumbent, but he’s injury-prone and has never scored more than three TDs in a season. The Panthers drafted DeAngelo Williams of the University of Memphis in the first round, and a relatively small fantasy investment in Williams could result in a big payoff. With the starting role in hand, Foster will be drafted ahead of Williams in most non-keeper leagues, but what are the odds of Foster making it through an entire season with his bones and joints intact? Williams was terrific in college, throwing up huge numbers against defenses that were constantly keying on him. I think Williams has a 60 percent to 70 percent chance of finishing the year with better fantasy numbers than Foster. This could end up as a platoon-type situation, since the two seem to have complementary skill sets. But Williams has the much higher upside, particularly as a TD scorer.

 

[joey]

I was just kinda thinking out loud...you're fine, and I wasn't attacking you.To be more specific, I was comparing (in general) using two of your first six picks for a handcuff -- I wasn't really comparing it to other handcuffs, or needs at that point in your draft, for that matter.Like you said: "Poor man's Priest/LJ handcuff?" I am not sold on all these handcuffs this year in EARLIER rounds. I'll call it the "Larry Johnson Effect".

fair enough.I guess since I gained greatly last year from the Priest/LJ handcuff (3 leagues, 3 playoff berths, 1 championship), my eyeglasses might be a bit more rosey on this matter This is a strange year though where we're seeing many more RBBCs than in recent memory, combinedwith injury-prone-starter-backed-up-by-high-draft-pick... Makes me believe that many ownerswill be looking to handcuff their 2nd or 3rd RBs: Foster/Williams, Rhodes/Addai, Bell/Bell, Dillon/Maroney,TJones/Benson, Houston RBs, Jones/Barber, Deuce/Bush...sheesh. I gotta stop typing or I'lllist every team...Larry Johnson Effect is in full gear this year!

 

[joey]

I was just kinda thinking out loud...you're fine, and I wasn't attacking you.To be more specific, I was comparing (in general) using two of your first six picks for a handcuff -- I wasn't really comparing it to other handcuffs, or needs at that point in your draft, for that matter.Like you said: "Poor man's Priest/LJ handcuff?" I am not sold on all these handcuffs this year in EARLIER rounds. I'll call it the "Larry Johnson Effect".

fair enough.I guess since I gained greatly last year from the Priest/LJ handcuff (3 leagues, 3 playoff berths, 1 championship), my eyeglasses might be a bit more rosey on this matter This is a strange year though where we're seeing many more RBBCs than in recent memory, combinedwith injury-prone-starter-backed-up-by-high-draft-pick... Makes me believe that many ownerswill be looking to handcuff their 2nd or 3rd RBs: Foster/Williams, Rhodes/Addai, Bell/Bell, Dillon/Maroney,TJones/Benson, Houston RBs, Jones/Barber, Deuce/Bush...sheesh. I gotta stop typing or I'lllist every team...Larry Johnson Effect is in full gear this year!

 

[mojorizin]

Sure, but is it worth it?

I think it's worth it considering what's available at RB for those drafting atthe bottom of a 12 team league. Foster has very good upside and I liked himmost of all the RBs that remained in my draft at the end of the 3rd (JLewis, CDillon [close 2nd to Foster], the Bell boys, CTaylor [no thanks], AGreen, FGore).I'm sure folks could make an argument for any of the above RBs over Fosterbut the Carolina offense and running game has proven to produce good numbers.Then, as I said, I felt I had no choice but to handcuff Foster with one of my 5/6turn picks since I didn't think he'd make it to the 7/8 turn.I ended up with: Lamont, Chad Johnson, Foster, S Moss, DeAngelo, T Jones.I guess I could've had: Lamont, C Johnson, C Dillon/C Taylor, S Moss, T Jones, F Taylor/Rhodes/CBrown.That would've given me 4 starting RBs with 4 picks instead of 3 starters with 4 picks but I personallyfeel better about having the CAR running game instead of Fred Taylor or the like.that was my thought process at least...

I was talking about the COST of that handcuff -- a fifth AND a sixth. Kinda pricey is all.

The COST of that handcuff is exactly what I thought I was addressing.The question is: Is Foster and DeAngelo >>> CDillon and FTaylor ?In my opinion, Yes, Foster/DeAngelo is more valuable than Dillon and Fred Taylor(or CTaylor and Rhodes if you prefer). Heck, if I'd have drafted Dillon, I would'vehandcuffed him with Maroney at the 7/8 turn, so there's another 2 picks used ona single team RB.I listed my top 6 picks in my draft and potential alternative selections I could'vemade. The COST of the Foster/Williams handcuff is right there and I personallydon't think the cost was too steep considering what I would've ended up with.

I was just kinda thinking out loud...you're fine, and I wasn't attacking you.To be more specific, I was comparing (in general) using two of your first six picks for a handcuff -- I wasn't really comparing it to other handcuffs, or needs at that point in your draft, for that matter.Like you said: "Poor man's Priest/LJ handcuff?" I am not sold on all these handcuffs this year in EARLIER rounds. I'll call it the "Larry Johnson Effect".

That isnt too far from the truth. We see one guy explode, all want to get THAT guy like its actually going to happen every season, and see 1500/15 out of every rookie and backup. Sure I took Foster, but took Deuce and Fred Taylor in 6 and 7 (or 5 and 6, whenever the hell it was) while the league's "handcuff thief" was taking rookie backups instead of starters at QB and WR.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

I was just kinda thinking out loud...you're fine, and I wasn't attacking you.To be more specific, I was comparing (in general) using two of your first six picks for a handcuff -- I wasn't really comparing it to other handcuffs, or needs at that point in your draft, for that matter.Like you said: "Poor man's Priest/LJ handcuff?" I am not sold on all these handcuffs this year in EARLIER rounds. I'll call it the "Larry Johnson Effect".

fair enough.I guess since I gained greatly last year from the Priest/LJ handcuff (3 leagues, 3 playoff berths, 1 championship), my eyeglasses might be a bit more rosey on this matter This is a strange year though where we're seeing many more RBBCs than in recent memory, combinedwith injury-prone-starter-backed-up-by-high-draft-pick... Makes me believe that many ownerswill be looking to handcuff their 2nd or 3rd RBs: Foster/Williams, Rhodes/Addai, Bell/Bell, Dillon/Maroney,TJones/Benson, Houston RBs, Jones/Barber, Deuce/Bush...sheesh. I gotta stop typing or I'lllist every team...Larry Johnson Effect is in full gear this year!

You see, that's just it. How many leagues were won with LJ and how many people watched it? EVERYBODY. So people are handcuffing more this year. But it ain't gonna happen like it did last year. So much has to take place for it go right, but let's not get into that part. So much MORE has to happen for it to be WORTH IT.Anyway, I actually love it. More and more poeple flocking to something begets value in other areas. The "LJ Effect" has pushed some RB's up higher than they should be...dropping WR's and more. The early middle rounds are ripe with falling fruit.

 

[WildEyedOne]

So is taking deangelo in 6/7 worth it as a cuff or going after another starter like A. Green, Barlow or a T. Bell/M.Bell, Addai? I'm leaning toward Green myself.

 

[Woz]

So is taking deangelo in 6/7 worth it as a cuff or going after another starter like A. Green, Barlow or a T. Bell/M.Bell, Addai? I'm leaning toward Green myself.

Again, I say that depends on whether or not you got Foster. It is a plausible assertion to think that the CAR starting RB will be good if not great fantasy-wise. Foster is the starter, right. So, normally, it's hard to take a backup RB before a starte due to the risk that he'll never play. However, if you already have the starter, you are guaranteeing yourself this great production all year long (assuming no RBBC). This holds significantly increased value. Hence, Williams is worth the 6th round pick to the Foster owner but only a 9th to the Corey Dillon owner.