Which IDPs must show us something week 4? (1 Viewer)

[bucsbaby]

I've read on these forums that week 4 is an evaluation point in the season for IDPs. If they don't show us something by week 4, they may not do so for the rest of the season. So, assuming that to hold some weight, which IDPs must show us something this week lest we cut bait on them for greener pastures?

Here are two guys from my teams:

-Andre Carter, DL: I think he is a great player, but he has to put up bigger numbers for me as a DL #2. With Kerney on bye next week, I may not be able to bench him.

-Nick Barnett, LB: A perennial stud, but he hasn't put up #s thusfar this year. I'm hoping to chalk it up to bad matchups...I've going with him as my #3 LB for next week with Briggs and EJ Henderson.

p.s., I'm very relieved not to have to put Trent Cole, DL and Terrell Suggs, DL on this list. They looked good this week.

 

[The Man With No Name]

Leigh Bodden. He has already shown me enough crappy stats to get cut this week.

Would hold on in a dynasty league, but not in a keeper or redraft.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Leigh Bodden. He has already shown me enough crappy stats to get cut this week.Would hold on in a dynasty league, but not in a keeper or redraft.

Bodden had an excuse yesterday as SF only completed 3 passes to their starting WRs. That Lion's game was frustrating from a fantasy perspective. After seeing O'Sullivan being sacked 4 times in week 1 and 8 times last week, I thought for sure there would be some pressure on him. The Lions line was dreadful and only had one sack and it was a coverage sack. Brutal.

 

[Uncle Humuna]

Mike Peterson

 

[drew726]

p.s., I'm very relieved not to have to put Trent Cole, DL and Terrell Suggs, DL on this list. They looked good this week.

The guy in my league dropped Trent Cole and I took him off waivers. It's amazing how quickly people lose hope. He played STL who was barely on the field and Dallas who has a great O-Line. I think if you owned Trent Cole, you have to at least wait for week3 vs Pitts.

 

[W1cked]

Brandon Flowers.

 

[saintfool]

dumervil - total bust this season thusfar

huff - i knew the raiders would be mess but i didn't expect the defense too

mike peterson - contract year and he is doing this?

tommy kelly - 'nuf said.

richard marshall - i'm wasting a valuable roster spot with gamble healthy apparently

 

[T Bell]

-Andre Carter, DL: I think he is a great player, but he has to put up bigger numbers for me as a DL #2. With Kerney on bye next week, I may not be able to bench him.

Carter should be fine. His last two games were against QB's known for getting rid of the ball quickly - Brees and Warner. That doesn't leave a lot of opportunities for sacks, but Carter picked up a half-sack on Warner. In week 1 Jason Taylor was clearly still ailing from his hyperextended knee and was not himself, allowing the Giants to shift protection to Carter's side. I'm continuing to start him.

 

[Akira]

For me, Adrian Wilson and Mike Peterson. Both are studs but up to this point haven't been putting up the numbers to justify starting them.

 

[trader jake]

Time to cut bait or trade:

DET CB Leigh Bodden

CAR CB Richard Marshall

HOU CB Fred Bennett

They just do not see enough opportunities and there are a lot of CB's to pick-up.

Waiting another week or two on DEN DE Elvis Dumerville

 

[5Rings]

Jene, what is the deal with Elvis this year?

 

[Jene Bramel]

Jene, what is the deal with Elvis this year?

I think it's a combination of things, none of which are particularly new. He hasn't had the greatest matchups, though the team has been ahead enough to give him plenty of opportunity. He's getting more snaps at left end this season, which might be hurting his angle to the passer some. He's may be getting doubled more often than he's used to, since the Broncos have no one threatening the pocket on the other side.Isolated pass rushers are often similar to ball-hawking corners. Even the best are subject to big volatility year-to-year because of their one-dimensional skill sets. I'd give Dumervil another week or two if you're in a sack heavy league or don't have many options, but he's not a great fit in a tackle heavy league. If he doesn't produce against the Chiefs this week, it's time to move on.

 

[-baller]

I don't know who tracks this kind of thing, but I'd bet the panthers haven't been in nickel much, so far, whereas they might get marshall on the field more these next few weeks.

but you'd probably still need injury to gamble or lucas.

 

[Rozelle]

I don't know who tracks this kind of thing, but I'd bet the panthers haven't been in nickel much, so far, whereas they might get marshall on the field more these next few weeks.

but you'd probably still need injury to gamble or lucas.

FS Charles Godfrey may be hurting Marshall's production. He's a converted corner, giving Carolina 3 CBs in their base defense.

 

[kawaihae]

I've read on these forums that week 4 is an evaluation point in the season for IDPs. If they don't show us something by week 4, they may not do so for the rest of the season. So, assuming that to hold some weight, which IDPs must show us something this week lest we cut bait on them for greener pastures?

Here are two guys from my teams:

-Andre Carter, DL: I think he is a great player, but he has to put up bigger numbers for me as a DL #2. With Kerney on bye next week, I may not be able to bench him.

-Nick Barnett, LB: A perennial stud, but he hasn't put up #s thusfar this year. I'm hoping to chalk it up to bad matchups...I've going with him as my #3 LB for next week with Briggs and EJ Henderson.

p.s., I'm very relieved not to have to put Trent Cole, DL and Terrell Suggs, DL on this list. They looked good this week.

What is the deal with this guy? Nothing today...

 

[bucsbaby]

I knew this was a bad matchup for Carter because the Dall O-Line is so strong. Doesn't get much better against Phil next week. But then he has StL, Clev, Det, Pitt (got dominated recently)...

 

[Jayrod]

-Nick Barnett, LB: A perennial stud, but he hasn't put up #s thusfar this year. I'm hoping to chalk it up to bad matchups...

This guy is absolutely killing me. (OK, Braylon Edwards has done his fair share of damage as well)Any take on him right now Jene? Is it really just AJ Hawk playing better, or is there something else different from last year?In my tackle heavy league, he is averaging just over 13 pts/game. That's abysmal for a linebacker and barely rosterable. Bad SLB's are outscoring him. An good MLB on a team that has faced MIN, DAL & TB should have better numbers.

 

[corpcow]

Jene, what is the deal with Elvis this year?

I think it's a combination of things, none of which are particularly new. He hasn't had the greatest matchups, though the team has been ahead enough to give him plenty of opportunity. He's getting more snaps at left end this season, which might be hurting his angle to the passer some. He's may be getting doubled more often than he's used to, since the Broncos have no one threatening the pocket on the other side.Isolated pass rushers are often similar to ball-hawking corners. Even the best are subject to big volatility year-to-year because of their one-dimensional skill sets. I'd give Dumervil another week or two if you're in a sack heavy league or don't have many options, but he's not a great fit in a tackle heavy league. If he doesn't produce against the Chiefs this week, it's time to move on.

Jene, what about in a dynasty league? SHould we have patience or is it simply time to cut bait there too?

 

[bucsbaby]

-Nick Barnett, LB: A perennial stud, but he hasn't put up #s thusfar this year. I'm hoping to chalk it up to bad matchups...

This guy is absolutely killing me. (OK, Braylon Edwards has done his fair share of damage as well)Any take on him right now Jene? Is it really just AJ Hawk playing better, or is there something else different from last year?In my tackle heavy league, he is averaging just over 13 pts/game. That's abysmal for a linebacker and barely rosterable. Bad SLB's are outscoring him. An good MLB on a team that has faced MIN, DAL & TB should have better numbers.

I've got Barnett in this coming week against Atl. I expect him to have a good outing. If not, I will be concerned.

 

[Jene Bramel]

-Nick Barnett, LB: A perennial stud, but he hasn't put up #s thusfar this year. I'm hoping to chalk it up to bad matchups...

This guy is absolutely killing me. (OK, Braylon Edwards has done his fair share of damage as well)Any take on him right now Jene? Is it really just AJ Hawk playing better, or is there something else different from last year?In my tackle heavy league, he is averaging just over 13 pts/game. That's abysmal for a linebacker and barely rosterable. Bad SLB's are outscoring him. An good MLB on a team that has faced MIN, DAL & TB should have better numbers.

I don't think there's anything clearly different and he's had plenty of opportunity. He's never played well with minor injuries and the back thing is one of those that could slow him down a half-step. Should be interesting to see how the loss of Jenkins and Hawk affect him. I don't think it's time to part ways yet, but it's certainly worth sitting him if you've got other options.

 

[Jene Bramel]

Jene, what is the deal with Elvis this year?

I think it's a combination of things, none of which are particularly new. He hasn't had the greatest matchups, though the team has been ahead enough to give him plenty of opportunity. He's getting more snaps at left end this season, which might be hurting his angle to the passer some. He's may be getting doubled more often than he's used to, since the Broncos have no one threatening the pocket on the other side.Isolated pass rushers are often similar to ball-hawking corners. Even the best are subject to big volatility year-to-year because of their one-dimensional skill sets. I'd give Dumervil another week or two if you're in a sack heavy league or don't have many options, but he's not a great fit in a tackle heavy league. If he doesn't produce against the Chiefs this week, it's time to move on.

Jene, what about in a dynasty league? SHould we have patience or is it simply time to cut bait there too?

Dumervil had his chance this weekend. Pins out of the finger, great matchup against KC and disappeared. Unless you're in a deep dynasty league with a big play scoring system and a scant waiver wire without many other options, I think he can be released.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

-Nick Barnett, LB: A perennial stud, but he hasn't put up #s thusfar this year. I'm hoping to chalk it up to bad matchups...

This guy is absolutely killing me. (OK, Braylon Edwards has done his fair share of damage as well)Any take on him right now Jene? Is it really just AJ Hawk playing better, or is there something else different from last year?In my tackle heavy league, he is averaging just over 13 pts/game. That's abysmal for a linebacker and barely rosterable. Bad SLB's are outscoring him. An good MLB on a team that has faced MIN, DAL & TB should have better numbers.

I was so weak at LB last season and made a move over paying for Barnett. Yesterday I lost by 2 fricken points and could have used an average game out of Barnett to help me out.Lets hope he rights this ship sooner than later.

 

[corpcow]

Jene, what is the deal with Elvis this year?

I think it's a combination of things, none of which are particularly new. He hasn't had the greatest matchups, though the team has been ahead enough to give him plenty of opportunity. He's getting more snaps at left end this season, which might be hurting his angle to the passer some. He's may be getting doubled more often than he's used to, since the Broncos have no one threatening the pocket on the other side.Isolated pass rushers are often similar to ball-hawking corners. Even the best are subject to big volatility year-to-year because of their one-dimensional skill sets. I'd give Dumervil another week or two if you're in a sack heavy league or don't have many options, but he's not a great fit in a tackle heavy league. If he doesn't produce against the Chiefs this week, it's time to move on.

Jene, what about in a dynasty league? SHould we have patience or is it simply time to cut bait there too?

Dumervil had his chance this weekend. Pins out of the finger, great matchup against KC and disappeared. Unless you're in a deep dynasty league with a big play scoring system and a scant waiver wire without many other options, I think he can be released.

Where do you have him roughly from a dynasty perspective? Heading into the season, he was ranked at 16 overall DL for dynasty purposes (21st for redraft). My league is not particularly deep - a 16 team league and we start 2 DL + 2 flex. But if he's a top 32 guy, he's worth keeping. Obviously, he's not in my starting lineup for the forseeable future - just wondering where you see his long-term value.

 

[Jene Bramel]

Jene, what is the deal with Elvis this year?

I think it's a combination of things, none of which are particularly new. He hasn't had the greatest matchups, though the team has been ahead enough to give him plenty of opportunity. He's getting more snaps at left end this season, which might be hurting his angle to the passer some. He's may be getting doubled more often than he's used to, since the Broncos have no one threatening the pocket on the other side.Isolated pass rushers are often similar to ball-hawking corners. Even the best are subject to big volatility year-to-year because of their one-dimensional skill sets. I'd give Dumervil another week or two if you're in a sack heavy league or don't have many options, but he's not a great fit in a tackle heavy league. If he doesn't produce against the Chiefs this week, it's time to move on.

Jene, what about in a dynasty league? SHould we have patience or is it simply time to cut bait there too?

Dumervil had his chance this weekend. Pins out of the finger, great matchup against KC and disappeared. Unless you're in a deep dynasty league with a big play scoring system and a scant waiver wire without many other options, I think he can be released.

Where do you have him roughly from a dynasty perspective? Heading into the season, he was ranked at 16 overall DL for dynasty purposes (21st for redraft). My league is not particularly deep - a 16 team league and we start 2 DL + 2 flex. But if he's a top 32 guy, he's worth keeping. Obviously, he's not in my starting lineup for the forseeable future - just wondering where you see his long-term value.

I don't know specifically. I suppose I'd consider him in the mid-low 30s today -- low DL3 - mid DL4 tier with upside in the right scoring system. That may be too hard on a guy that's proven himself a capable pass rusher in the past, but my dynasty window isn't much longer than 2008. If a guy like Dumervil can't get to the quarterback -- only 2 QBHs despite two very good matchups out of four -- he's all but useless in most leagues.

 

[corpcow]

Jene, what is the deal with Elvis this year?

I think it's a combination of things, none of which are particularly new. He hasn't had the greatest matchups, though the team has been ahead enough to give him plenty of opportunity. He's getting more snaps at left end this season, which might be hurting his angle to the passer some. He's may be getting doubled more often than he's used to, since the Broncos have no one threatening the pocket on the other side.Isolated pass rushers are often similar to ball-hawking corners. Even the best are subject to big volatility year-to-year because of their one-dimensional skill sets. I'd give Dumervil another week or two if you're in a sack heavy league or don't have many options, but he's not a great fit in a tackle heavy league. If he doesn't produce against the Chiefs this week, it's time to move on.

Jene, what about in a dynasty league? SHould we have patience or is it simply time to cut bait there too?

Dumervil had his chance this weekend. Pins out of the finger, great matchup against KC and disappeared. Unless you're in a deep dynasty league with a big play scoring system and a scant waiver wire without many other options, I think he can be released.

Where do you have him roughly from a dynasty perspective? Heading into the season, he was ranked at 16 overall DL for dynasty purposes (21st for redraft). My league is not particularly deep - a 16 team league and we start 2 DL + 2 flex. But if he's a top 32 guy, he's worth keeping. Obviously, he's not in my starting lineup for the forseeable future - just wondering where you see his long-term value.

I don't know specifically. I suppose I'd consider him in the mid-low 30s today -- low DL3 - mid DL4 tier with upside in the right scoring system. That may be too hard on a guy that's proven himself a capable pass rusher in the past, but my dynasty window isn't much longer than 2008. If a guy like Dumervil can't get to the quarterback -- only 2 QBHs despite two very good matchups out of four -- he's all but useless in most leagues.

Thanks, that helps.I'm really sad - I thought I had a great core of Kerney, Tuck, Dumervil, and Lawrence Jackson, and after week 4 was planning on cutting James Hall and his 2m salary... and now it looks like Dumervil is the guy to cut over Hall!

 

[The Man With No Name]

Fred Bennett

What's his deal?

 

[pretender]

Fred Bennett What's his deal?

 

[jamil]

Fred Bennett What's his deal?

Reeves is on the other side of the field.

 

[corpcow]

Jene, what is the deal with Elvis this year?

I think it's a combination of things, none of which are particularly new. He hasn't had the greatest matchups, though the team has been ahead enough to give him plenty of opportunity. He's getting more snaps at left end this season, which might be hurting his angle to the passer some. He's may be getting doubled more often than he's used to, since the Broncos have no one threatening the pocket on the other side.Isolated pass rushers are often similar to ball-hawking corners. Even the best are subject to big volatility year-to-year because of their one-dimensional skill sets. I'd give Dumervil another week or two if you're in a sack heavy league or don't have many options, but he's not a great fit in a tackle heavy league. If he doesn't produce against the Chiefs this week, it's time to move on.

Jene, what about in a dynasty league? SHould we have patience or is it simply time to cut bait there too?

Dumervil had his chance this weekend. Pins out of the finger, great matchup against KC and disappeared. Unless you're in a deep dynasty league with a big play scoring system and a scant waiver wire without many other options, I think he can be released.

I kept Elvis around and he's been solid after that initial meltdown. Has anything changed? Is there reason for optimism going forward?

 

[T Bell]

I'm surprised not to see Antonio Pierce's name on this list. He's had two games with more than three tackles, and only one game with more than four tackles if you can believe it.

 

[KSU_Shrink]

How did Witherspoon look yesterday? Wasn't able to watch the game...