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which NFL "Can't Miss" prospect (1 Viewer)
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Winning IS Everything
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Very first name that came to my mind. Also add Tony Mandarich.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Tony Mandarich - agreed.
David Carr?
David Carr?
MAC_32
Footballguy
The only round one guy I've whiffed on was Crabtree, I've missed a couple that I incorrectly doubted (Stafford and maybe Cam stick out) but I've avoided a lot of landmines in guys like Moreno, Beanie, Sanchez, etc. Only about a decade deep in this game though so I can't reach back too far.
EDIT: the reason I'm just focusing on the last few years is scouting isn't the same now as it was a decade and obviously more ago, in this age if you whif it's real bad given all the info available and $ in the business. It was easier to miss on these things the longer back you go.
EDIT: the reason I'm just focusing on the last few years is scouting isn't the same now as it was a decade and obviously more ago, in this age if you whif it's real bad given all the info available and $ in the business. It was easier to miss on these things the longer back you go.
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Statcruncher
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The ones that come to mind are Mandarich, Marinovich, Leaf, Bosworth, Russell, Enis, & Salaam.
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I'm assuming Russell is Jamarcus? In no universe was Russell ever seen for the slightest second as "can't miss". He might as well have had "CAN miss" tattooed on his forehead. He was drafted for his upside, not because of a high floor. Hell, he barely beat out his backup at LSU to secure the starting job his Junior year. "Can't miss" prospects do not have to battle for a starting job in college.ETA: several other names don't belong on this list, either. Leaf wasn't can't miss, he was a known headcase with all-universe upside.
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Yes, I remember more than one Lions fan angry that they took Stafford instead.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I really liked him, but there was some one year wonder doubts in my head.
Statcruncher
Footballguy
Good point, I didn't correctly follow the premise. Russell going at 1.1 and Leaf going at 1.2 seemed like someone thought they were can't miss opportunities, however that doesn't mean they weren't universally labelled as such. All it takes it one idiot team to reach for a player, so draft slot alone isn't a good determination of "can't miss".
LHUCKS
Footballguy
this is my vote
RBM
Footballguy
This is who I thought of.
Clark Griswold
Footballguy
I agree on Mandarich as well. When he came out of Michigan State he was billed as the new breed dominant LT for the next decade. He was 300+ before that was the norm.
cstu
Footballguy
And to go way back, this is the guy with all the tools who had All-Pro written all over him:
Michael Westbrook
Michael Westbrook
You can't teach a love of football.
fantasy stud
Footballguy
JJ Stokes was a good one that I forgot about. He had all the hype to be the next great Niners wr.
cstu
Footballguy
The 4.7 40 was just too slow for a guy his size. Smaller guys can get away with higher 40 time if they're shifty but it's harder for a big receiver. He was built like Owens, but Owens ran 4.4.
Righetti
Footballguy
SSOG you are completely right with my premise. A guy like Andrew Luck has been labeled as 'can't miss' for two or three years. He passes the eyeball test, has the right size, played in a pro offense, played for an NFL coach (to be), played big under the bright lights, can make the throws..There is no respected analyst who has predicted anything close to failure for himThat was not the case for guys like Leaf and Russell
Righetti
Footballguy
Thought of him also. A guy like Trent Richardson could be one this year although it might be due to injury
JaxBill
Footballguy
Can I enter three Jaguars first-round WRs as a package deal>
Over a six year period, the Jags took R. Jay Soward (29th 2000), Reggie Williams (9th, 2004), and the fast-rising Matt Jones (21st, 2005).
Soward was a party animal who basically drank himself out of the league and his missed practices led the Jags to send a car to pick him up.
Williams was the best of the bunch but still a disappointment for a #9 pick.
Matt Jones never made the transition from QB to WR despite what his measurables were. An affinity for drugs and alcohol also hastened his departure from the league.
Over a six year period, the Jags took R. Jay Soward (29th 2000), Reggie Williams (9th, 2004), and the fast-rising Matt Jones (21st, 2005).
Soward was a party animal who basically drank himself out of the league and his missed practices led the Jags to send a car to pick him up.
Williams was the best of the bunch but still a disappointment for a #9 pick.
Matt Jones never made the transition from QB to WR despite what his measurables were. An affinity for drugs and alcohol also hastened his departure from the league.
R. Jay Soward
Footballguy
<_<
Goat Herders
Footballguy
Tim couch was thought very highly of as a "Peyton-lite" player. Qb is a tough position but he was crowned the #1 pick very early on after a solid college career. That was a big miss.
Billy Bats
Footballguy
Easily Mandarich.
Does Bosworth count? How's about Marinovich?
Does Bosworth count? How's about Marinovich?
No, because none of them were ever considered "can't miss".
Williamson was an unimpressive speedster considered a reach. Williams had spent an entire year out of organized football. Neither was ever for a second considered can't miss. This is not a "throw out the names of some guys that busted" thread. This is a "throw out the names of some guys that were widely considered to have a 0% bust risk who later went on to bust" thread. That is an extremely large, extremely important distinction.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
David Terrell was labeled the safest pick of his draft, yet bombed in the NFL.
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
four Detroit first picks in a row... Harrington, Rogers, Roy Williams, Mike Williams. All top 10 picks overall. Harrington may the only one in the group who doesn't necessarily qualify for can't miss, he dominated Pac10.
dollarbill13
Footballguy
Hard to beat Rogers and Mandarich but another name that comes to mind is Robert Gallery.
Clark Griswold
Footballguy
Name I haven't seen on here: Aundray Bruce
#1 pick, started only 42 games in 11 years
#1 pick, started only 42 games in 11 years
Wallstreet72
Footballguy
I think those that are picking Mandarich are wrong. He struggled in GBY, but had an okay career in Indy. Even though he took out the whole OL by running the wrong way. Speaking of Colts Jeff George and Steve Emtman come to mind
LarryAllen'sJockstrap
Footballguy
- With a track record like that, NFL teams should be fighting for your services.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Such a big miss that Cleveland fans cheered when he was knocked out with a concussion.
I'll third Robert Gallery. He looks like he's on another level on his college tape; just blowing over future NFL players like they were Woody Allen. Something just didn't click at the next level. People were speculating how many Pro Bowls he'd go to before he even left college.
azgroover
Footballguy
He now owns an MMA studio right around the corner from my house.One of my son's friends takes classes there. The kid's dad raves about MW, sounds like he's found his passion.
I tend to give guys a pass for injuries. "Can't miss" doesn't mean "physically incapable of sustaining an injury". If Andrew Luck gets paralyzed by a blow to the head on Sunday, it doesn't mean the people who thought he was one of the safest QB prospects ever were wrong.Edit: Garrard Warren would be a better nomination from that Browns line, but he was never considered as sure of a thing as Glenn Dorsey at his own position.'azgroover said:
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cobalt_27
Footballguy
None of these guys was considered a can't miss prospect.Recent examples of can't miss include Luck, Trent, AJ Green, Suh, AP, etc. guys where there was no doubt, none whatsoever, that they eventually would be regarded as among the very best at their position.While high draft picks and certainly holding a lot of promise, supreme confidence in greatness was not the consensus opinion of Couch, Akili, or Leaf.'-fish- said:
Johnny Blood
Footballguy
Tony Mandarich was the best offensive line prospect ever, and was expected to redefine the tackle position, but instead he redefined being a bust.
It's compounded by the fact that the three players picked directly after him all made the hall of fame.
I'd say he takes the cake for biggest bust pick ever. You can say Leaf or Russell but QBs are riskier picks than offensive linemen, and they weren't surrounded by HOF picks. (At least we don't know that yet.) So Mandarich is the ultimate bust.
It's compounded by the fact that the three players picked directly after him all made the hall of fame.
I'd say he takes the cake for biggest bust pick ever. You can say Leaf or Russell but QBs are riskier picks than offensive linemen, and they weren't surrounded by HOF picks. (At least we don't know that yet.) So Mandarich is the ultimate bust.
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