Which NFL franchise is the least popular on a national level? (1 Viewer)

[chris1969]

Steelers numbnut, did I mention anything about the hall of fame? If you want to go there I can , but you better talk to somebody.

 

[Steel Mike Tomczak]

Steelers numbnut, did I mention anything about the hall of fame? If you want to go there I can , but you better talk to somebody.

:X

 

[chris1969]

http://pittsburghbrownsbackers.com/PBBMember.html

read the site and then shut the #### up!

 

[chris1969]

Terry Bradshaw was an over-rated QB but he never drank strawberry daqueries.

My girlfriends friend works at an Outback Steakhouse in Findlay, OH where she waited on Big Ben. She went to take his drink order and the guy orders a Strawberry Daiquiri!!! (What a #####) So in an all natural reaction she chuckles. Well nobody laughs at a super star like Ben, so he gets pissed and eventually has to talk to a manager. The manager hears his story and he laughs as well and just replies to Ben "you gotta admit, it is pretty funny." Ben did get over it eventually. Maybe he should not order a ##### drink if he doesn't want someone to laugh at him.

It's actually less gay if you order a virgin daquiri, cuz that's just saying "hey i like frozen strawberry goodness" not hey I'm a #### that can't order A real drink. Who knows maybe he had to ice down his steel jaw.

Sorry this was just to funny for me not to post, I hope everyone gets a laugh out of it.

 

[Moldy Potato]

Terry Bradshaw was an over-rated QB but he never drank strawberry daqueries. My girlfriends friend works at an Outback Steakhouse in Findlay, OH where she waited on Big Ben. She went to take his drink order and the guy orders a Strawberry Daiquiri!!! (What a #####) So in an all natural reaction she chuckles. Well nobody laughs at a super star like Ben, so he gets pissed and eventually has to talk to a manager. The manager hears his story and he laughs as well and just replies to Ben "you gotta admit, it is pretty funny." Ben did get over it eventually. Maybe he should not order a ##### drink if he doesn't want someone to laugh at him.It's actually less gay if you order a virgin daquiri, cuz that's just saying "hey i like frozen strawberry goodness" not hey I'm a #### that can't order A real drink. Who knows maybe he had to ice down his steel jaw.Sorry this was just to funny for me not to post, I hope everyone gets a laugh out of it.

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

Jacksonville and Arizona.

I lived in Phoenix, AZ from 2002 through 2005 and nobody really ever cared about them. Dunno if things changed much with the new stadium though.

 

[kevinray]

Terry Bradshaw was an over-rated QB but he never drank strawberry daqueries. My girlfriends friend works at an Outback Steakhouse in Findlay, OH where she waited on Big Ben. She went to take his drink order and the guy orders a Strawberry Daiquiri!!! (What a #####) So in an all natural reaction she chuckles. Well nobody laughs at a super star like Ben, so he gets pissed and eventually has to talk to a manager. The manager hears his story and he laughs as well and just replies to Ben "you gotta admit, it is pretty funny." Ben did get over it eventually. Maybe he should not order a ##### drink if he doesn't want someone to laugh at him.It's actually less gay if you order a virgin daquiri, cuz that's just saying "hey i like frozen strawberry goodness" not hey I'm a #### that can't order A real drink. Who knows maybe he had to ice down his steel jaw.Sorry this was just to funny for me not to post, I hope everyone gets a laugh out of it.

Dude Ben’s kind of a #### in his personal life. Everyone knows that. He came to the Steelers with rumors that he had a big head, and I don't see how this reflects on the Steelers organization or fans at all. As you well know he spent his entire life growing up in Ohio. My buddy owns a bar he frequents and he hates him, but he does speak well to the media so he still maintains a good public image which is all I care about.Most athletes come from the south now; Florida and Texas are breeding grounds for talent mostly because of their attitude about sports and nice weather. Your wrong if you don't see that a lot of talent and comes from the W. Pa area. It is a reasonable stat that so many hall of fame players have come from the area and we are known as a QB breeding ground. It doesn't compete with many other areas of the country any more but it still does well.I think your taking this conversation a little personally. Listen the facts are your a Browns fan so your interactions with Steeler fans aren't going to be great. We like to dump on each other, we're rivals. I've found respect of the Browns fans due to their support and football passion but I'd still take some cheap shots if a conversation went that direction, its easy and in some way's I wouldn't want it any different. I'll say this much, when there are a lot of fans for an organization you get a lot of casual fans who have no idea what they're talking about and they normally like to talk ####. I still stand by my original statement though that Steelers fans have the same ratio of dumb to smart fans as any other team.edit to add:Yeah the Browns backers. Like I said there’s a lot of similarities between the displacement of Brown fans a Steeler fans and there are satellite bars all over, if we wanted count I'd wager there were a lot more Steelers bars around the country then Browns bars, and that has a lot to do with the 16% fan percentage and team success keeping the fans vocal. We went to Peters Pub for a while, and it’s not a terrible bar, but when I found out it was a Brown backer’s haven about a month ago we've started a boycott. It doesn't advertise it at all and I was really surprised when I found out. Nothing wrong with it, if I were stuck in Cleveland I'd go to a Steelers bar to watch the games, but that doesn't mean I'll support a bar in the middle of Pitt campus holding Browns parties every Sunday.

 

[Pipes]

Cleveland. Az.

Another numbnut stiller fan proving his homerism overides common sense. The Browns have fans all over the world. The Browns probably have more fans in Nebraska than the stillers have in any other state not named PA. We probably have more fans in Scotland than the stillers have in any other country not named the USA.

StillersCowboysDespised by good honest folk who have to endure the blinders that the fans of these teams wear with childish pride.

I agree I hate pretty much everything the stillers have stood for post Chuck Noll and everything that the Cowboys have stood for post Tom Landry, but I'll admit both teams have a lot of fans. They are popular. Also hated, but popular.

Now, the ORIGINAL Cleveland Browns I could agree with, but I don't concider your new expansion Cleveland Browns to have much popularity. After the old Browns shipped out to Baltimore, there would be 1/2 as many Cleveland fans now if Cincy had just gotten good a couple years earlier.

Considering how bad the Browns have been they are a very popular team.Personally I think it's the Texans hands down. I'm shocked people view the Jaguars as being less popular. The Texans have never had a winning season (Jacksonville's played in AFC championship games).

Houston had the Oilers and pro football has been imbedded in that city for a long time. Those that didn't follow the Titans franchise in their move to Tennessee are, IMO, the reason the Texans aren't the least popular team in the NFL.The Jags don't have that to fall back on. It takes time for a small market, college-minded city, with no history to reference, to gather a fan base.

True but we're talking about on a national level. I think a the casual football fan would tune into a Jag's game because they are a decent team. Noone outside of Houston has any reason to watch the Texans except for fantasy purposes.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

It sounds strange, but I could actually see myself becoming a fan of both the Texans and the Cardinals. Dunno why.

 

[Snot Bubbler]

Until this past season I would say it was New Orleans hands down

I agree. Prior to what took place in New Orleans the Saints were not even the most popular team in the state of Louisiana. Everything north of Baton Rouge was Cowboy country. Tthe Saints loyal following was essentially in southern Louisiana between Lafayette, Houma, Baton Rouge, all of New Orleans and every parrish sprinkled in that area, bra. (Little inside reference for any local NOLA residents.) I can remember moving to Texas and owning a fair amount of Saints gear. I wore a Saints hat one day and was laughed at...out loud...by a number of people or asked what the logo stood for by others.

I live in the Shreveport area of of Louisiana (5 hours from New Orleans, 3 hours from Dallas.) I would say that the fan base here is 45% Saints, 45% Cowboys, 10% Others. Count my family as die hard Saints fans. When we hosted the Saints Cowboys preseason game last year the crowd was pretty much 50/50. On Sundays, when the networks show the regional games we get the Cowboys, the Saints, and the Texans. If there is a conflict the networks usually play the Cowboys because Shreveport is closer to Dallas. That pisses me off, so I usually watch the other national game and listen to the Saints on the radio.

 

[Pittsburgh United]

Nothing better to shut a jerk up than to show him that he's bragging about something that doesn't exist anymore.

LOL yeah because that last superbowl win was so far in the past.

 

[Pittsburgh United]

I hope everyone gets a laugh out of it me.

Fixed.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

Terry Bradshaw was an over-rated QB but he never drank strawberry daqueries.

My girlfriends friend works at an Outback Steakhouse in Findlay, OH where she waited on Big Ben. She went to take his drink order and the guy orders a Strawberry Daiquiri!!! (What a #####) So in an all natural reaction she chuckles. Well nobody laughs at a super star like Ben, so he gets pissed and eventually has to talk to a manager. The manager hears his story and he laughs as well and just replies to Ben "you gotta admit, it is pretty funny." Ben did get over it eventually. Maybe he should not order a ##### drink if he doesn't want someone to laugh at him.

It's actually less gay if you order a virgin daquiri, cuz that's just saying "hey i like frozen strawberry goodness" not hey I'm a #### that can't order A real drink. Who knows maybe he had to ice down his steel jaw.

Sorry this was just to funny for me not to post, I hope everyone gets a laugh out of it.

Does the photo of Brady Quinn half-way down this page qualify as "gay"?

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

I prefer to judge QBs by W-L and right now there are few better than Roethlisberger.

 

[Leo Scanlon]

Arizona.

 

[Jason Wood]

I would have to say Arizona and Jacksonville.

New Orleans was in the running, but last year's miracle season will have bandwagoneers on board for a season or two, at least. The Cardinals tried to drum up excitement with Emmitt Smith, Edge James, Dennis Green, the new stadium and are still fighting and clawing just to be taken seriously.

The Jaguars are cursed by geography. I will never forget the tales of just how craptacular the setup was for the Super Bowl; even the media were #####ing and complaining about having to be in Jacksonville for a week.

 

[Steel Dillo]

One good thing about the steeler fans though is that they'll fade into the woodwork when they start loosing, and I think that's gonna happen this year. Nothing better to shut a jerk up than to show him that he's bragging about something that doesn't exist anymore.

Something tells me this is going to end up in someone's sig by the end of this season.BTW, Steeler fan here...born and raised in Texas.

 

[Fiddles]

They don't belong at the top of this list, but Atlanta seems universally weak as a sports town . . . unless of course their team is doing well.

live in atlanta and agree although people LOVE the dogs

 

[Steel Mike Tomczak]

http://pittsburghbrownsbackers.com/PBBMember.html

read the site and then shut the #### up!

Youre a joke. How I love hating you.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Why does Jacksonville struggle so much? Wikipedia says that Jacksonville is the 3rd largest city on the east coast after NYC and Philly.

Is it the same reason Arizona does - demographics of the population?

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I like Detroit.

That's why You da Man Fred.You probably remember: BARRY, BARRY, BARRYI'll never forget those chants being echoed thru the Pontiac Silverdome in the early 90's. Who would have thought at the time Wayne Fontes would actually be our best coach for the next 15 to 20 years.

 

[roadkill1292]

I like Detroit.

That's why You da Man Fred.You probably remember: BARRY, BARRY, BARRY

I'll never forget those chants being echoed thru the Pontiac Silverdome in the early 90's.

Who would have thought at the time Wayne Fontes would actually be our best coach for the next 15 to 20 years.

 

[k2isabeast]

Terry Bradshaw was an over-rated QB but he never drank strawberry daqueries. My girlfriends friend works at an Outback Steakhouse in Findlay, OH where she waited on Big Ben. She went to take his drink order and the guy orders a Strawberry Daiquiri!!! (What a #####) So in an all natural reaction she chuckles. Well nobody laughs at a super star like Ben, so he gets pissed and eventually has to talk to a manager. The manager hears his story and he laughs as well and just replies to Ben "you gotta admit, it is pretty funny." Ben did get over it eventually. Maybe he should not order a ##### drink if he doesn't want someone to laugh at him.It's actually less gay if you order a virgin daquiri, cuz that's just saying "hey i like frozen strawberry goodness" not hey I'm a #### that can't order A real drink. Who knows maybe he had to ice down his steel jaw.Sorry this was just to funny for me not to post, I hope everyone gets a laugh out of it.

Dude Ben’s kind of a #### in his personal life. Everyone knows that. He came to the Steelers with rumors that he had a big head, and I don't see how this reflects on the Steelers organization or fans at all. As you well know he spent his entire life growing up in Ohio. My buddy owns a bar he frequents and he hates him, but he does speak well to the media so he still maintains a good public image which is all I care about.Most athletes come from the south now; Florida and Texas are breeding grounds for talent mostly because of their attitude about sports and nice weather. Your wrong if you don't see that a lot of talent and comes from the W. Pa area. It is a reasonable stat that so many hall of fame players have come from the area and we are known as a QB breeding ground. It doesn't compete with many other areas of the country any more but it still does well.I think your taking this conversation a little personally. Listen the facts are your a Browns fan so your interactions with Steeler fans aren't going to be great. We like to dump on each other, we're rivals. I've found respect of the Browns fans due to their support and football passion but I'd still take some cheap shots if a conversation went that direction, its easy and in some way's I wouldn't want it any different. I'll say this much, when there are a lot of fans for an organization you get a lot of casual fans who have no idea what they're talking about and they normally like to talk ####. I still stand by my original statement though that Steelers fans have the same ratio of dumb to smart fans as any other team.edit to add:Yeah the Browns backers. Like I said there’s a lot of similarities between the displacement of Brown fans a Steeler fans and there are satellite bars all over, if we wanted count I'd wager there were a lot more Steelers bars around the country then Browns bars, and that has a lot to do with the 16% fan percentage and team success keeping the fans vocal. We went to Peters Pub for a while, and it’s not a terrible bar, but when I found out it was a Brown backer’s haven about a month ago we've started a boycott. It doesn't advertise it at all and I was really surprised when I found out. Nothing wrong with it, if I were stuck in Cleveland I'd go to a Steelers bar to watch the games, but that doesn't mean I'll support a bar in the middle of Pitt campus holding Browns parties every Sunday.

Ive been all over the U.S. between my job and being in the national guard Ive been able to catch Browns away games all over including Tampa, Chicago, New England, Oakland, Detriot, Jacksonville, Pittsburg, and was in Miami for the Fiesta Bowl-only bringing this up because I was on a cruise and walked into a bar for the game with Browns gear on as I had no OSU gear packed with me..the whole room started barking..full of orange/brown and red/silver!! Oakland probably had the fewest Browns fans but with all that pollution Im not really sure they even know they have a team down there anymore..lol jk. My point is aside from the browns backers we just have a strong fan base which is evident wherever Ive been. Im not saying we're stronger than Pittsburg but we just shouldnt be mentioned at all on this list. Pittsburg probably can make a similar argument.. IMO people love the underDAWGS..Go Browns!!

 

[Buckna]

Why does Jacksonville struggle so much? Wikipedia says that Jacksonville is the 3rd largest city on the east coast after NYC and Philly.

Is it the same reason Arizona does - demographics of the population?

It's also listed as only the 40th largest metropolitan area at 1.2M people. Contrast that with Houston which is ranked 6th with 5.3M people.Wiki Link

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Why does Jacksonville struggle so much? Wikipedia says that Jacksonville is the 3rd largest city on the east coast after NYC and Philly.

Is it the same reason Arizona does - demographics of the population?

It's also listed as only the 40th largest metropolitan area at 1.2M people. Contrast that with Houston which is ranked 6th with 5.3M people.Wiki Link

I'm just really surprised that it's larger than Miami. The Dolphins draw pretty well, don't they?

 

[TC]

AFC - Houston Texans

NFC - Arizona Cardinals

 

[Moldy Potato]

They don't belong at the top of this list, but Atlanta seems universally weak as a sports town . . . unless of course their team is doing well.

live in atlanta and agree although people LOVE the dogs

Especially Michael Vick.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Why does Jacksonville struggle so much? Wikipedia says that Jacksonville is the 3rd largest city on the east coast after NYC and Philly.

Is it the same reason Arizona does - demographics of the population?

It's also listed as only the 40th largest metropolitan area at 1.2M people. Contrast that with Houston which is ranked 6th with 5.3M people.Wiki Link

I'm just really surprised that it's larger than Miami. The Dolphins draw pretty well, don't they?

I don't know about the 'Fins attendance, but:Jax- 1.2 Million people

Miami- 2.3 Million people

The stadium is huge for the amount of people in the city. It holds 73K+. That places it as one of the largest in the league. By comparison, with the seats covered, it becomes one of the lower capacity stadiums in the league.

The Jags had a small waiting list with the seats covered. But, that was coming off a 12 win season. I'm not sure the same will occur this year.

 

[Buckna]

Why does Jacksonville struggle so much? Wikipedia says that Jacksonville is the 3rd largest city on the east coast after NYC and Philly.

Is it the same reason Arizona does - demographics of the population?

It's also listed as only the 40th largest metropolitan area at 1.2M people. Contrast that with Houston which is ranked 6th with 5.3M people.Wiki Link

I'm just really surprised that it's larger than Miami. The Dolphins draw pretty well, don't they?

The Miami-Ft. Lauderdale Metro is 7th largest Metro area just behind Houston. Plus Miami has a lot of history with their team (like Marino) to draw a crowd of devoted fans.Edit: I would guess that the Jags have had an uphill battle winning florida fans away from the Dolphins and the Gators/Seminoles. The Texans at least had a bunch of disenfranchised Oiler fans to start with.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Why does Jacksonville struggle so much? Wikipedia says that Jacksonville is the 3rd largest city on the east coast after NYC and Philly.

Is it the same reason Arizona does - demographics of the population?

It's also listed as only the 40th largest metropolitan area at 1.2M people. Contrast that with Houston which is ranked 6th with 5.3M people.Wiki Link

I'm just really surprised that it's larger than Miami. The Dolphins draw pretty well, don't they?

The Miami-Ft. Lauderdale Metro is 7th largest Metro area just behind Houston. Plus Miami has a lot of history with their team (like Marino) to draw a crowd of devoted fans.Edit: I would guess that the Jags have had an uphill battle winning florida fans away from the Dolphins and the Gators/Seminoles. The Texans at least had a bunch of disenfranchised Oiler fans to start with.

I was looking at numbers that were ranking just the city proper, not the entire metro. In that situation Jax is bigger than Miami. But including the outlying areas, Miami is considerably bigger.

 

[Jayded]

It sounds strange, but I could actually see myself becoming a fan of both the Texans and the Cardinals. Dunno why.

Welcome aboard I'd have to say it's a close matchup between the Texans and Jaguars. Neither has a stud player that people would tune in to just watch him play. At least Seattle has Shaun Alexander. The Texans missed that PR upswing by not drafting Reggie Bush and not really having a national face of the franchise. MJD is becoming more and more popular around these parts as a FF player, but I could also see him becoming popular on a national level for them if he really starts to take off.

 

[valhallan]

Here a Harris Interactive poll showing the popularity of teams.

Harris Interactive

"What are your two favorite National Football League teams?"

Base: Adults who follow professional football

1998 1999 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006

% % % % % % %

Pittsburgh Steelers 12 11 10 7 6 13 16

Dallas Cowboys 25 22 11 12 14 14 15

Indianapolis Colts 2 1 3 4 7 8 13

Green Bay Packers 20 18 17 12 18 16 11

New England Patriots 4 6 8 5 12 13 9

Chicago Bears 9 6 7 8 9 8 9

Philadelphia Eagles 6 3 5 5 9 10 8

San Francisco 49ers 16 18 14 10 8 10 8

New York Giants 7 6 10 7 10 6 8

Oakland Raiders 7 3 12 11 7 9 7

Denver Broncos 13 13 8 5 7 7 7

Seattle Seahawks 2 4 4 5 6 4 6

Carolina Panthers 6 1 3 4 5 5 6

Miami Dolphins 9 9 6 8 6 5 6

Tennessee Titans 1 * 4 6 4 3 6

Washington Redskins 6 7 7 9 7 5 5

Cleveland Browns NA 5 6 6 4 5 5

Tampa Bay Buccaneers 4 3 4 11 6 6 5

Detroit Lions 3 2 3 2 4 5 5

Kansas City Chiefs 6 4 4 6 4 4 5

Minnesota Vikings 5 8 6 9 6 5 4

New York Jets 4 5 7 6 7 6 4

San Diego Chargers 1 2 3 4 2 3 4

Cincinnati Bengals 2 2 3 2 4 2 4

Atlanta Falcons 3 3 3 3 4 5 4

St. Louis Rams 1 1 11 7 4 4 4

Buffalo Bills 3 4 3 5 3 4 3

Houston Texans NA NA 2 5 5 3 3

Arizona Cardinals 1 2 2 1 1 1 3

Baltimore Ravens 1 2 2 4 2 3 3

New Orleans Saints 2 3 3 2 2 3 2

Jacksonville Jaguars 3 1 3 1 2 1 1

Based on this you'd have to say New Orleans. Houston, Arizona, Baltimore, and Jacksonville were all created by either an expansion or a move. The Saints have been around for nearly 40 years and they still hit the bottom of the list.

 

[gump]

Why does Jacksonville struggle so much? Wikipedia says that Jacksonville is the 3rd largest city on the east coast after NYC and Philly.

Is it the same reason Arizona does - demographics of the population?

It's also listed as only the 40th largest metropolitan area at 1.2M people. Contrast that with Houston which is ranked 6th with 5.3M people.Wiki Link

I'm just really surprised that it's larger than Miami. The Dolphins draw pretty well, don't they?

No, they don't. There were more TV blackouts in Miami than half the league combined last year.Miami is the worst sports town in America, IMO. Too many foreigners and too much else to do.

As far as the topic...ranked by licensed sales the last few years, the worst two teams in each conference are the Cardinals and Texans.