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Which offenses will be "up-tempo?" (1 Viewer)

This is why Jason Woods, MT and so many are so high on McCoy is because they are projecting 30+ runs a game. Which may in fact be what they end up accomplishing. As long as their offensive line can make those runs effective enough.

That is what the Patriots have going for them that a lot of other teams do not, is a very good offensive line, elite TE and elite QB threat forcing opposing teams to not be able to load the box much.

If the Eagles TE and Oline are up to task I can see that working and I may have put to much emphasis on a elite QB being needed for it to work.

The Bills are the other main team who seems to be wanting to do this. Will see how that goes.

eta- poor pass defense was another factor for the Patriots record last season as well. Giving up more big plays in the passing game on defense leading to less plays run by the opposing team.

 
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right, and that's what I referred to as the third part of this recipe being the other team.

pats defense was 5th best in opponent top/dr, 7th best in opponent play/dr, but 21st in opp yds/dr, and 27th in forcing 3 and outs.

I think the offense encourages you to throw, and the defense tends to let you do it.

opponent pass/run ratios might be interesting to look at.

this just really boils down to opponent top/dr, though, regardless of the mechanics behind it, and we can see that pats were 5th best in the league at getting the other offense off the field.

edit: to underline an earlier point about differentiating the strong 'up tempo' vs the weaker catch up teams, I consulted the drive stats at football outsiders, once again:

2012

pats - 1191 plays (1st dsr)

det - 1160 (13th dsr)

indy - 1109 (9th dsr)

den - 1090 (2nd dsr)

hou - 1090 (14th dsr)

phi - 1079 (15th dsr)

saints - 1067 (3rd dsr)

Avg. Lead represents the average lead at the beginning of the drive.

nep = 5.96 (1st) pass/run 641/523 (1.23)

det = -3.79 (24th) 740/391 (1.90)

ind = -3.15 (23rd) 628/440 (1.43)

den = 3.11 (3rd) 588/481 (1.22)

hou = 1.57 (10th) 554/508 (1.09) (league best in opp top/dr)

phi = -5.79 (29th) 618/413 (1.50)

saints = -1.08 (17th) 671/370 (1.81)

 
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NE at 86, DET at 77.... same old, same old. BUF failed to impress at 61... but that might be due to the opponent.

SF at 77? Whoa.

 
Good stuff guys lets keep a running tally on this. Could prove to be pretty useful about week 3-4 for pro-rating the rest of the season.

The Eagles managed 77 total plays. TOP 32:39

The important part here is how much they ran the ball. 49 rushing attempts to 25 passing attempts (3 sacks).

 
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Chip Kelly is doing it backwards compared to how the league wants to change the game. He is going to run the ball 35+ a game instead of passing it 35+. Hell Eagles had 49 rushing attempts between 3 players ( mccoy 31, vick & brown 9 each )...25 pass att. The funny part is they didn't even have the ball much in the 2nd half ( 27 off plays compared to 50 in the first half ) and went prevent defense ( which usually means the opponents offense is on the field longer lol )

 
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Chip Kelly is doing it backwards compared to how the league wants to change the game. He is going to run the ball 35+ a game instead of passing it 35+. Hell Eagles had 49 rushing attempts between 3 players ( mccoy 31, vick & brown 9 each )...25 pass att. The funny part is they didn't even have the ball much in the 2nd half ( 27 off plays compared to 50 in the first half ) and went prevent defense ( which usually means the opponents offense is on the field longer lol )
Chip Kelly is doing it backwards compared to how the league wants to change the game.
Love that.

There's a ghost in the machine. See Tebow, bad QB wins 6 of 8, plus a playoff win upset.

 
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I'd say yes and no.

obviously, a team running 50% more plays than the next team is going to be predisposed to producing more fantasy points, but this isn't all new to fantasy football.

if you look at the list of teams I posted earlier, you'll see that some of them just happened to throw the ball a lot, and people have been trying to exploit that kind of thing in fantasy forever.

likewise, if you can id a team that runs the ball a lot you'd value that rb higher -- that's not new.

also, you have to bear in mind that the players have to be talented to keep these drives alive, in the first place, or the straight up tempo teams probably won't produce much more than you'd expect.

apparently, the eagles ran a number of plays about on par with what new england runs, or a typical winner in a one sided game might run, but as some guy mentioned above, the story is probably more that shady got 31 carries in a creative offense.

 
Week 1 total plays + NE/JETS wk 2-

1 Baltimore 87.0 62pa 21ra
2 Philadelphia 77.0 25pa 49ra
3 Detroit 77.0 77.0 43pa 33ra - more balanced.
4 New England 76.5 45.5 29.5ra
5 San Francisco 75.0 39pa 34ra
6 Houston 75.0 75.0 45pa 28ra
7 Dallas 74.0 74.0 49pa 23ra
8 NY Jets 72.0 72.0 37pa 30.5ra
9 Cleveland 72.0 53pa 13ra - Why are they passing this much?
10 Jacksonville 70.0 41pa 23ra
11 Washington 70.0 49pa 18ra
12 Arizona 70.0 70.0 40pa 26ra
13 Denver 68.0 68.0 42pa 23ra
14 New Orleans 66.0 35pa 29ra

15 Miami 65.0 65.0 38pa 23ra
16 Kansas City 63.0 34pa 28ra
17 Tennessee 63.0 20pa 42ra - If they can keep this pace 2 RB good here.
18 Oakland 63.0 29pa 33ra - Qb contributing to runs here.
19 St Louis 62.0 38pa 24ra
20 Buffalo 61.0 27pa 34ra - Didn't go as well as Philly but looks good for Jackson/Spiller.
21 Seattle 61.0 33pa 26ra
22 Chicago 61.0 33pa 28ra

23 NY Giants 59.0 42pa 14ra
24 Tampa Bay 59.0 31pa 25ra
25 Green Bay 58.0 37pa 19ra
26 Atlanta 55.0 55.0 38pa 14ra
27 Cincinnati 55.0 33pa 21ra
28 Indianapolis 53.0 23pa 26ra - I do not think this will be a trend.
29 Minnesota 53.0 28pa 22ra
30 Pittsburgh 53.0 33pa 15ra
31 San Diego 51.0 29pa 20ra
32 Carolina 49.0 23pa 25ra

Week 1 rushing

1 Philadelphia 49.0
2 Tennessee 42.0
3 Buffalo 34.0
4 San Francisco 34.0
5 Oakland 33.0
6 Detroit 33.0
7 NY Jets 30.5
8 New England 29.5
9 New Orleans 29.0
10 Houston 28.0
11 Kansas City 28.0
12 Chicago 28.0
13 Indianapolis 26.0
14 Seattle 26.0
15 Arizona 26.0
16 Tampa Bay 25.0
17 Carolina 25.0
18 St Louis 24.0
19 Denver 23.0
20 Dallas 23.0
21 Jacksonville 23.0
22 Miami 23.0
23 Minnesota 22.0
24 Baltimore 21.0
25 Cincinnati 21.0
26 San Diego 20.0
27 Green Bay 19.0
28 Washington 18.0
29 Pittsburgh 15.0
30 NY Giants 14.0
31 Atlanta 14.0
32 Cleveland 13.0

Week 1 passing-

1 Baltimore 62.0
2 Cleveland 53.0
3 Washington 49.0
4 Dallas 49.0
5 New England 45.5
6 Houston 45.0
7 Detroit 43.0
8 Denver 42.0
9 NY Giants 42.0
10 Jacksonville 41.0
11 Arizona 40.0
12 San Francisco 39.0
13 Atlanta 38.0
14 Miami 38.0
15 St Louis 38.0
16 Green Bay 37.0
17 NY Jets 37.0
18 New Orleans 35.0
19 Kansas City 34.0
20 Chicago 33.0
21 Seattle 33.0
22 Pittsburgh 33.0
23 Cincinnati 33.0
24 Tampa Bay 31.0
25 San Diego 29.0
26 Oakland 29.0
27 Minnesota 28.0
28 Buffalo 27.0
29 Philadelphia 25.0
30 Indianapolis 23.0
31 Carolina 23.0
32 Tennessee 20.0
Overall rushing yards were low across the board compared to passing yards. I think this is in part due to it being week one. Defenses may be a bit ahead of offenses in most match ups week 1. This will change. What defenses are most focused on fundamentally is stopping the run. That will unravel later on as defenses adjust to what teams are doing in the passing game.

Much of it is situational too of course and it is only one week. But so far it looks like the Eagles, Bills and Titans are running a lot more as was expected. The Raiders may follow this path as well. The Browns, Washington, Giants and Atlanta ran less than I would normally expect. The Steelers just couldn't run so I expect them to keep passing more often. I am not sure what the Panthers are doing. Not much against Seattle apparently.

Most teams tried to be balanced.

There were 12 teams that had 70 or more plays of offense. They will not all be able to keep that up, but we could see total plays push 32000. We'll see. The Patriots are still 2 plays/game ahead of where they finished last season after 2 games.

 
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Was pretty surprised that the Eagles had such a tale of two halves.... 50 compared to about 25. I guess it's inevitable that they would have to slow down in the second half after the pace of the first half. But from what Kelly said, they want to go faster. I'm hoping for 80 this week against SD.

One thing to consider with the Eagles is conditioning. I think the Eagles are probably among the most well-conditioned teams going into week 1 from having done training camp Kelly-style. They want to tire the defense, but you could see that by half-time, even their offensive players were gassed. I thought McCoy might puke when he was doubled over on the sideline at the end of the second quarter. I'm also looking for more Bryce Brown... I wanna see a game with 20+ carries for them each.

Nonetheless, I suspect they will improve their own conditioning after 2-3 games at this speed. Once that happens, the discrepancy between Eagles-O and opponents-D will be so great that Kelly will be able to do more of what he wants. Long story short, 77 plays is just the starting point; 50 per half isn't sustainable but 40, maybe 45 could be.

 
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There were 12 teams that had 70 or more plays of offense. They will not all be able to keep that up, but we could see total plays push 32000. We'll see. The Patriots are still 2 plays/game ahead of where they finished last season after 2 games.
This was pretty astounding. Last year IIRC only two teams were +1100. I suspect that number will increase.

 
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Biabreakable said:
There were 12 teams that had 70 or more plays of offense. They will not all be able to keep that up, but we could see total plays push 32000. We'll see. The Patriots are still 2 plays/game ahead of where they finished last season after 2 games.
This was pretty astounding. Last year IIRC only two teams were +1100. I suspect that number will increase.
Earlier in the thread-

1 New England 74.3 74.0 82.0 75.3 73.1 67.2 - This is the current record for plays run.
2 Detroit 72.5 71.7 63.0 73.4 71.6 65.4
3 Indianapolis 70.4 71.3 87.0 71.4 69.4 59.4
4 Denver 69.2 79.3 87.0 72.7 65.4 63.5
5 Houston 69.0 70.7 75.0 69.0 69.0 64.8

So these were the teams that managed over 1100 plays 2012.

The pace will likely come down as the season goes on. But I think it is pretty safe to say many teams are using this philosophy. Some are doing so with the passing game however, which is a bit different than what the Eagles and Bills are doing.

The Ravens do seem to be doing a form of hurry up as well. This is a thing is when the other team does it, coaches may feel the need to do so to.

Washington and the Browns are teams who should run more than they did week 1.
 
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I don't quite understand... I see your post that shows the cut off for the pace required to sustain 1100 plays (around 68.5 plays per game). But this info from FFtoday:

http://www.fftoday.com/articles/smith/13_run_pass_ratios.html

shows only NE and Det over 1100. And your post here:

Here are the 2012 offensive plays by team sorted from the most total plays to the least-

New England 523ra 641pa 27sk 1164tp 44.93r% 55.07p%
Detroit 391ra 740pa 29sk 1131tp 34.57r% 65.43p%
Denver 481ra 588pa 21sk 1069tp 44.99r% 55.01p%
Indianapolis 440ra 628pa 41sk 1068tp 41.20 r% 58.80p%
Houston 508ra 554pa 28sk 1062tp 47.83r% 52.17p%
New Orleans 370ra 671pa 26sk 1041tp 35.54r% 64.46p%
Philadelphia 413ra 618pa 48sk 1031tp 40.10r% 59.90p%
Dallas 355ra 658pa 36sk 1013tp 35.04r% 64.96p%
Oakland 376ra 629pa 27sk 1005tp 37.41r% 62.59p%
Baltimore 444ra 560pa 38sk 1004tp 44.22r% 55.78p%
Shows only two teams. But on a per-game-basis, 69 plays puts you at 1,104. Hence my confusion. Maybe you've included playoff games or something? In any case, it seems like we're getting some stats confused.

This might seem like stat-bickering, but I think it's important because for a long time, the standard formula for projecting stats was to ball-park most every team around 1,000, and then push them up or down if you thought factors like defense, running game, passing game, and overall team quality would push them. In addition, if a team had 1,050 or 950 plays in a season, you chalked it up to variance and assumed that they would regress to the mean and be about 1,000 again the next year.

Instead, the trend that started last year and seems to be growing this year, is that by design teams are going to try to push that number up. There might be some other rule changes that push the plays up, but other than the now practically-meaningless kickoffs, I'm not aware of any. IIRC there have been halves if not whole games where not a single kickoff is returned. And if not "by-design" like NE/Philly, it could simply be a by-product of pass/run ratio slowly creeping up (56% to 44% pass to run last year).

If 1/4 or even 1/3 of the teams in the league can sustain that number, it's a huge shift.

 
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Was pretty surprised that the Eagles had such a tale of two halves.... 50 compared to about 25. I guess it's inevitable that they would have to slow down in the second half after the pace of the first half. But from what Kelly said, they want to go faster. I'm hoping for 80 this week against SD.
I think there's some confusion in this thread about what ppl are actually talking about.

whichever one of you guys started it specifically about teams running the up tempo offense as a way to ferret out increased fantasy production, but since then a lot of other stuff has kind of been thrown in the hopper.

I think it got kind of derailed on raw snap numbers as a way of identifying these teams, but other things can influence snap counts.

one of which, not to get too pedantic about it, but snaps are all contained within possessions, and in theory, teams alternate possessions --- more possessions generally means more snaps.

this is no longer about up tempo teams generating plays, but has become more general analysis of team snap totals.

if you watch the philly game, or check the box, you'll see that they had 8 possessions in the first half compared with only 5 possessions in the second half.

of those 5 second half possessions, one was cut short on a turnover 4 plays into the drive, and another was a clock killing drive up 13 with 5 min to play -- this drive being the longest of the 2nd half at 8 plays, while the first half had about 5 drives longer than 8 plays.

as it turns out, halving possessions in the second half also halved the snap totals

teams that have strong ToP or TO differentials can also end up with inflated snap counts, which is probably one reason the pats have scored so well in the snap category over the years.

a team that throws the ball a ton might show more snaps simply because of clock stoppages on incompletions driving down teh average time per play.

re: baltimore -- they rolled that up tempo stuff out in preseason last year, which is why flacco was my 2012 supersleeper qb.

I don't think they really ended up using it all that much, but I didn't watch many of their games.

 
Yes that is me projecting the total plays based off of plays/game for those cut offs. Not that I expect all of those teams to finish with that many plays. Stuff happens.

I believe the total plays stats (not the plays/game stats) are accurate. I took those from pro football reference (what I most often use thanks Doug) and yes only those 2 teams crossed the 1100 play mark in 2012. One of those teams (NE) set a new record for total offensive plays run in a season. That record still fell short of 1200 total plays, but it is possible, some time in the near future that 1200 total plays could be reached/surpassed. 1200 total plays if it was reached would be maintaining a level of 75 plays/game for all 16 games. Has not been done yet.

Sorry for any confusion. I made an inadvertent inaccurate statement based off of the plays pacing, not the results. My more recent post I only meant that those 12 teams are on pace to pass the 1100 play mark, not that I expect all of them to do so.

New England 523ra 641pa 27sk 1164tp 44.93r% 55.07p%
Detroit 391ra 740pa 29sk 1131tp 34.57r% 65.43p%
Denver 481ra 588pa 21sk 1069tp 44.99r% 55.01p%
Indianapolis 440ra 628pa 41sk 1068tp 41.20 r% 58.80p%
Houston 508ra 554pa 28sk 1062tp 47.83r% 52.17p%

So last season Denver, Colts, Houston still fell short of 1100 total plays by 30-40 plays.

I am also glad you bring up the normal thought process, that a team historically will run somewhere around 1000 plays. That is the main reason for my post about total plays rising pretty steadily since 2002 coinciding with stricter enforcement of the contact after 5 yards rule (among other changes that mostly favor the offense).

This is changing and I think should change more conventional thought about using the 1k total offensive plays as a starting point.

I think it would be more accurate to look at the total plays league wide, divide that by 32 while also taking consideration of the trend of total offensive plays still rising. If the total plays (whole league) goes past 32000 plays, that means all 32 teams would be at 1k plays if they were all even. Despite plays rising over the past 11 years. It still has not really risen to that level yet. I think it is possible. Although I set my cap for 2013 season at 31500 plays instead, before the season began.

All of this for me is about trying to make better projections by taking into consideration league wide plays, team plays and what are more realistic averages for the number of total plays a team runs, instead of just taking the 1k total play short cut.

Thanks Larry for making this more clear. While I do think "uptempo" is another factor that can have an affect of increasing total plays run depending on how many teams are successful executing this. That is only one factor in the larger topic that I am talking about, which is projecting total offensive plays.
 
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Was pretty surprised that the Eagles had such a tale of two halves.... 50 compared to about 25. I guess it's inevitable that they would have to slow down in the second half after the pace of the first half. But from what Kelly said, they want to go faster. I'm hoping for 80 this week against SD.
I think there's some confusion in this thread about what ppl are actually talking about.

whichever one of you guys started it specifically about teams running the up tempo offense as a way to ferret out increased fantasy production, but since then a lot of other stuff has kind of been thrown in the hopper.

I think it got kind of derailed on raw snap numbers as a way of identifying these teams, but other things can influence snap counts.

one of which, not to get too pedantic about it, but snaps are all contained within possessions, and in theory, teams alternate possessions --- more possessions generally means more snaps.

this is no longer about up tempo teams generating plays, but has become more general analysis of team snap totals.
Absolutely. I started the thread because I was interested in NE, Philly, and other teams that might try to emulate them. Since then, it has turned into a conversation about the raw number of total plays, which can be elevated in a number of ways.

That's probably why some people in the first page accused me of being confused. I fully understand that Detroit =/= New England, even if they end up with roughly the same number of plays (ballparking). In the end, it doesn't really matter exactly how a team gets more plays, because if they do its likely it will inflate value somehow. Well, it does matter how they get more plays if you're trying to consider whether a team will have inflated passing/receiving stats (Det) vs inflated running stats (Philly).

Finally, this is completely un-stated ITT, but last offseason me and Bri had a discussion about the changing NFL both in terms of leaning more pass-heavy, but also how the total size of the pie available for passers/receivers has increased. Not only do teams pass more, but they generally pass farther, and they also start with a longer field. Last year, I was convinced there would be several 5k yard passers. It didn't pan out that way. But the trend is still there.

Bri, to respond to your 32,000 idea, I do find it interesting, but in the end I don't really care so much if teams like SD or Pitt drag behind so badly that it keeps the league-wide number below 1k per. I'm more interested in identifying the handful of offenses that will be more useful than normal because of higher volume. In any case, the 'purpose' of this thread doesn't have set in stone, and I welcome anyone who wants to consider team snap counts, up-tempo styles of offense, league-wide snap counts, pass/run ratios, Chip Kelly, interesting rule changes, or anything else vaguely related.

 
KR thank you for allowing this thread to discuss related issues to up tempo/total offense. Forgive me if I take the issue somewhat further off track for a bit here.

Now that we have 2 weeks of game data (well almost, still 2 more games to be played) I wanted to look at skill position players in terms of yards they have produced thus far. This is combined yards from scrimmage (does not include kick returns), I took the data from here- http://www.footballdb.com/stats.html?mode=Y&yr=2013&lg=NFL&conf=

LeSean McCoy Phi RB 2 356
DeSean Jackson Phi WR 2 297
Reggie Bush Det RB 2 260
Julio Jones Atl WR 2 258
Matt Forte Chi RB 2 252
Randall Cobb GB WR 2 242
Victor Cruz NYG WR 2 236
Vincent Jackson TB WR 2 231
Jimmy Graham NO TE 2 224
Darren McFadden Oak RB 2 223
Andre Johnson Hou WR 2 222
Adrian Peterson Min RB 2 218
Brandon MarshallChi WR 2 217
Anquan Boldin SF WR 2 215
Demaryius ThomasDen WR 2 213
Doug Martin TB RB 2 208
Pierre Garcon Was WR 2 207
Jordan Cameron Cle TE 2 203
Jamaal Charles KC RB 2 203

- 19 players have managed over 100yds/game after 2 games. 7 of these players are RB, 2 are TE 10 of them are WR. So a little over half of them are WR.

Demarco Murray Dal RB 2 199
Hakeem Nicks NYG WR 2 197
Jordy Nelson GB WR 2 196
Jerome Simpson Min WR 2 189
Marshawn Lynch Sea RB 2 187
C.J. Spiller Buf RB 2 184
DeAndre Hopkins Hou WR 2 183
Brian Hartline Mia WR 2 182
James Jones GB WR 2 178
Torrey Smith Bal WR 2 177
Daryl RichardsonStl RB 2 176
James Starks GB RB 2 176
Arian Foster Hou RB 2 175
DeAngelo WilliamsCar RB 2 175
Alfred Morris Was RB 2 174
Antonio Gates SD TE 2 173
Knowshon Moreno Den RB 2 172
Darren Sproles NO RB 2 172
Chris Johnson Ten RB 2 167
Joique Bell Det RB 2 164
Charles Clay Mia RB 2 164
Dez Bryant Dal WR 2 163
Ben Tate Hou RB 2 163
A.J. Green Cin WR 1 162
Terrelle Pryor Oak QB 2 162
Julian Edelman NE WR 2 161
Fred Jackson Buf RB 2 161
Shane Vereen NE RB 1 159
Rashard MendenhallAri RB 2 158
Julius Thomas Den TE 2 157
Trent RichardsonCle RB 2 156
Calvin Johnson Det WR 2 153
Jared Cook Stl TE 2 151
Steve Johnson Buf WR 2 150

- 53 players have had over 150 yards after 2 games. 25 of them are RB, 5 of them are TE, 1QB 22 are WR. The RBs get a slight edge over the other positions at this range (75yards/game).

Malcom Floyd SD WR 2 149
Doug Baldwin Sea WR 2 145
T.Y. Hilton Ind WR 2 144
Reggie Wayne Ind WR 2 142
Brandon Myers NYG TE 2 140
Greg Olsen Car TE 2 140
Harry Douglas Atl WR 2 136
Bilal Powell NYJ RB 2 134
Andre Roberts Ari WR 2 133
Cecil Shorts Jac WR 2 133
Chris Givens Stl WR 2 132
Marques Colston NO WR 2 131
Ryan Mathews SD RB 2 131
Steven Jackson Atl RB 2 130
Mike Wallace Mia WR 2 130
Martellus BennettChi TE 2 125
Stephen Hill NYJ WR 2 125
Jermichael FinleyGB TE 2 121
Rod Streater Oak WR 2 121
Eric Decker Den WR 2 119
Vernon Davis SF TE 2 118
Ahmad Bradshaw Ind RB 2 117
Greg Jennings Min WR 2 117
Ray Rice Bal RB 2 116
Nate Burleson Det WR 2 115
Leonard HankersoWas WR 2 115
Rueben Randle NYG WR 2 115
Eddie Royal SD WR 2 114
Larry FitzgeraldAri WR 2 113
Marlon Brown Bal WR 2 110
Colin KaepernickSF QB 2 109
Pierre Thomas NO RB 2 107
Da'Rel Scott NYG RB 2 106
Wes Welker Den WR 2 106
Danny Amendola NE WR 1 104
Michael Floyd Ari WR 2 104
Miles Austin Dal WR 2 103
Steve Smith Car WR 2 103

- 91 players have had over 100 yards after 2 games. 32 of them are RB, 10 TE, 2 QB, 47 of them are WR.

Kenny Stills NO WR 2 96
Nate Washington Ten WR 2 96
Tavon Austin Stl WR 2 95
Dallas Clark Bal TE 2 95
Frank Gore SF RB 2 95
Santana Moss Was WR 2 95
Kellen Winslow NYJ TE 2 95
Austin Pettis Stl WR 2 94
Owen Daniels Hou TE 2 91

For the top 100 skill players in total yards from scrimmage there are 33RB (33%) 13TE (13%) 2QB (2%) and 52 WR (52%).

Touchdowns while very relevant to FF scoring are also something very difficult to predict. This is the main reason I am only focusing on yards.

What this tells me is that over half of the top 100 players in total yards are WR. Only one third of them are RB (which makes some sense given there are 32 teams). So in the sense of yardage WR are close to twice as likely to produce yards as RB are in the top 100 players, particularly if you combine WR with TE.

This of course leads me back to my opinion that giving points per reception is not necessary, and actually a very flawed way of awarding FF points in todays current NFL. Also that RB are greatly over valued in terms of yards from scrimmage. Of course the scarcity and touches brings RB further back in balance with WR in terms of draft position invested, but in the sense of pure yards? RB very over drafted. High volume reception players are already getting a great benefit in terms of opportunity to create yards. Adding PPR to this makes the gap that much wider. Many of the RB who make this list are also getting those yards at least in part because of involvement in the passing game as well.
What I would like to do is look at perhaps the last 4-5 seasons based on just yards from scrimmage to see if this trend holds or evens out somewhat. I will be adding this data later on when I have time, or if anyone wants to beat me to that please feel free.

 
This is some pretty interesting stuff, and confirms the idea that the RB positions is becoming increasing more devalued as compared to WRs. Although the consistency of touches still makes the middle tier above RB-heavy (25 RBs or ~47% of the 53 players with 150 or more yards are RBs).

In any case, your whole point about PPR... I had though that was probably true in the past, but the data sort of confirms it. I'm sort of deaf to the criticism though because I like PPR, and have done it exclusively for the past several years. There are many sort of inconsistencies like this in fantasy football, however. Like, why only 1 QB? Its the most important position, but probably 3rd most important in fantasy. The other glaring inconsistency is that in IDP, the best corners are some of the worst corners in real life. This is IMO the greatest criticism and the reason why I don't do IDP (queue the IDP advocates.... ).

Somewhere, i think about a year ago, I read an article that attempted to finely-tune the RB/WR scoring in a way that addressed the PPR/non-PPR issues. The end result was basically point-per-first down. It's the most important stat in real life (aside from TDs), so it reflects reality, and it also somehow evenly pitted RBs and WRs.

 
Was pretty surprised that the Eagles had such a tale of two halves.... 50 compared to about 25. I guess it's inevitable that they would have to slow down in the second half after the pace of the first half. But from what Kelly said, they want to go faster. I'm hoping for 80 this week against SD.
I think there's some confusion in this thread about what ppl are actually talking about.

whichever one of you guys started it specifically about teams running the up tempo offense as a way to ferret out increased fantasy production, but since then a lot of other stuff has kind of been thrown in the hopper.

I think it got kind of derailed on raw snap numbers as a way of identifying these teams, but other things can influence snap counts.

one of which, not to get too pedantic about it, but snaps are all contained within possessions, and in theory, teams alternate possessions --- more possessions generally means more snaps.

this is no longer about up tempo teams generating plays, but has become more general analysis of team snap totals.

if you watch the philly game, or check the box, you'll see that they had 8 possessions in the first half compared with only 5 possessions in the second half.

of those 5 second half possessions, one was cut short on a turnover 4 plays into the drive, and another was a clock killing drive up 13 with 5 min to play -- this drive being the longest of the 2nd half at 8 plays, while the first half had about 5 drives longer than 8 plays.

as it turns out, halving possessions in the second half also halved the snap totals

teams that have strong ToP or TO differentials can also end up with inflated snap counts, which is probably one reason the pats have scored so well in the snap category over the years.

a team that throws the ball a ton might show more snaps simply because of clock stoppages on incompletions driving down teh average time per play.

re: baltimore -- they rolled that up tempo stuff out in preseason last year, which is why flacco was my 2012 supersleeper qb.

I don't think they really ended up using it all that much, but I didn't watch many of their games.
This is very interesting too.

Saints observer but "tempo" has been a big word around here parts for a few years now; last year everyone around teh building kept saying the referee strike had thrown the offense's temp off on the way to the bad start. I don't know, maybe excuse making, but again tempo is a big deal to them. It's also about controlling the line of scrimmage, it means calling the play you want to play and when you want to call it. That's all about the QB and having a good, smart offensive line (& especially a good, smart center).

Somewhere in all this stuff there's a line that leads to picking good free agents on the WW who have not quite yet emerged. - Not sure how to do that actually but I believe it can be done.

 
Week 1 total plays + NE/JETS wk 2-

1 Baltimore 87.0 62pa 21ra
2 Philadelphia 77.0 25pa 49ra
3 Detroit 77.0 77.0 43pa 33ra - more balanced.
4 New England 76.5 45.5 29.5ra
5 San Francisco 75.0 39pa 34ra
6 Houston 75.0 75.0 45pa 28ra
7 Dallas 74.0 74.0 49pa 23ra
8 NY Jets 72.0 72.0 37pa 30.5ra
9 Cleveland 72.0 53pa 13ra - Why are they passing this much?
10 Jacksonville 70.0 41pa 23ra
11 Washington 70.0 49pa 18ra
12 Arizona 70.0 70.0 40pa 26ra
13 Denver 68.0 68.0 42pa 23ra
14 New Orleans 66.0 35pa 29ra

15 Miami 65.0 65.0 38pa 23ra
16 Kansas City 63.0 34pa 28ra
17 Tennessee 63.0 20pa 42ra - If they can keep this pace 2 RB good here.
18 Oakland 63.0 29pa 33ra - Qb contributing to runs here.
19 St Louis 62.0 38pa 24ra
20 Buffalo 61.0 27pa 34ra - Didn't go as well as Philly but looks good for Jackson/Spiller.
21 Seattle 61.0 33pa 26ra
22 Chicago 61.0 33pa 28ra

23 NY Giants 59.0 42pa 14ra
24 Tampa Bay 59.0 31pa 25ra
25 Green Bay 58.0 37pa 19ra
26 Atlanta 55.0 55.0 38pa 14ra
27 Cincinnati 55.0 33pa 21ra
28 Indianapolis 53.0 23pa 26ra - I do not think this will be a trend.
29 Minnesota 53.0 28pa 22ra
30 Pittsburgh 53.0 33pa 15ra
31 San Diego 51.0 29pa 20ra
32 Carolina 49.0 23pa 25ra

Week 1 rushing

1 Philadelphia 49.0
2 Tennessee 42.0
3 Buffalo 34.0
4 San Francisco 34.0
5 Oakland 33.0
6 Detroit 33.0
7 NY Jets 30.5
8 New England 29.5
9 New Orleans 29.0
10 Houston 28.0
11 Kansas City 28.0
12 Chicago 28.0
13 Indianapolis 26.0
14 Seattle 26.0
15 Arizona 26.0
16 Tampa Bay 25.0
17 Carolina 25.0
18 St Louis 24.0
19 Denver 23.0
20 Dallas 23.0
21 Jacksonville 23.0
22 Miami 23.0
23 Minnesota 22.0
24 Baltimore 21.0
25 Cincinnati 21.0
26 San Diego 20.0
27 Green Bay 19.0
28 Washington 18.0
29 Pittsburgh 15.0
30 NY Giants 14.0
31 Atlanta 14.0
32 Cleveland 13.0

Week 1 passing-

1 Baltimore 62.0
2 Cleveland 53.0
3 Washington 49.0
4 Dallas 49.0
5 New England 45.5
6 Houston 45.0
7 Detroit 43.0
8 Denver 42.0
9 NY Giants 42.0
10 Jacksonville 41.0
11 Arizona 40.0
12 San Francisco 39.0
13 Atlanta 38.0
14 Miami 38.0
15 St Louis 38.0
16 Green Bay 37.0
17 NY Jets 37.0
18 New Orleans 35.0
19 Kansas City 34.0
20 Chicago 33.0
21 Seattle 33.0
22 Pittsburgh 33.0
23 Cincinnati 33.0
24 Tampa Bay 31.0
25 San Diego 29.0
26 Oakland 29.0
27 Minnesota 28.0
28 Buffalo 27.0
29 Philadelphia 25.0
30 Indianapolis 23.0
31 Carolina 23.0
32 Tennessee 20.0
Overall rushing yards were low across the board compared to passing yards. I think this is in part due to it being week one. Defenses may be a bit ahead of offenses in most match ups week 1. This will change. What defenses are most focused on fundamentally is stopping the run. That will unravel later on as defenses adjust to what teams are doing in the passing game.

Much of it is situational too of course and it is only one week. But so far it looks like the Eagles, Bills and Titans are running a lot more as was expected. The Raiders may follow this path as well. The Browns, Washington, Giants and Atlanta ran less than I would normally expect. The Steelers just couldn't run so I expect them to keep passing more often. I am not sure what the Panthers are doing. Not much against Seattle apparently.

Most teams tried to be balanced.

There were 12 teams that had 70 or more plays of offense. They will not all be able to keep that up, but we could see total plays push 32000. We'll see. The Patriots are still 2 plays/game ahead of where they finished last season after 2 games.
Anyone know where to get the updated numbers on this?

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Week 1 total plays + NE/JETS wk 2-

1 Baltimore 87.0 62pa 21ra
2 Philadelphia 77.0 25pa 49ra
3 Detroit 77.0 77.0 43pa 33ra - more balanced.
4 New England 76.5 45.5 29.5ra
5 San Francisco 75.0 39pa 34ra
6 Houston 75.0 75.0 45pa 28ra
7 Dallas 74.0 74.0 49pa 23ra
8 NY Jets 72.0 72.0 37pa 30.5ra
9 Cleveland 72.0 53pa 13ra - Why are they passing this much?
10 Jacksonville 70.0 41pa 23ra
11 Washington 70.0 49pa 18ra
12 Arizona 70.0 70.0 40pa 26ra
13 Denver 68.0 68.0 42pa 23ra
14 New Orleans 66.0 35pa 29ra

15 Miami 65.0 65.0 38pa 23ra
16 Kansas City 63.0 34pa 28ra
17 Tennessee 63.0 20pa 42ra - If they can keep this pace 2 RB good here.
18 Oakland 63.0 29pa 33ra - Qb contributing to runs here.
19 St Louis 62.0 38pa 24ra
20 Buffalo 61.0 27pa 34ra - Didn't go as well as Philly but looks good for Jackson/Spiller.
21 Seattle 61.0 33pa 26ra
22 Chicago 61.0 33pa 28ra

23 NY Giants 59.0 42pa 14ra
24 Tampa Bay 59.0 31pa 25ra
25 Green Bay 58.0 37pa 19ra
26 Atlanta 55.0 55.0 38pa 14ra
27 Cincinnati 55.0 33pa 21ra
28 Indianapolis 53.0 23pa 26ra - I do not think this will be a trend.
29 Minnesota 53.0 28pa 22ra
30 Pittsburgh 53.0 33pa 15ra
31 San Diego 51.0 29pa 20ra
32 Carolina 49.0 23pa 25ra

Week 1 rushing

1 Philadelphia 49.0
2 Tennessee 42.0
3 Buffalo 34.0
4 San Francisco 34.0
5 Oakland 33.0
6 Detroit 33.0
7 NY Jets 30.5
8 New England 29.5
9 New Orleans 29.0
10 Houston 28.0
11 Kansas City 28.0
12 Chicago 28.0
13 Indianapolis 26.0
14 Seattle 26.0
15 Arizona 26.0
16 Tampa Bay 25.0
17 Carolina 25.0
18 St Louis 24.0
19 Denver 23.0
20 Dallas 23.0
21 Jacksonville 23.0
22 Miami 23.0
23 Minnesota 22.0
24 Baltimore 21.0
25 Cincinnati 21.0
26 San Diego 20.0
27 Green Bay 19.0
28 Washington 18.0
29 Pittsburgh 15.0
30 NY Giants 14.0
31 Atlanta 14.0
32 Cleveland 13.0

Week 1 passing-

1 Baltimore 62.0
2 Cleveland 53.0
3 Washington 49.0
4 Dallas 49.0
5 New England 45.5
6 Houston 45.0
7 Detroit 43.0
8 Denver 42.0
9 NY Giants 42.0
10 Jacksonville 41.0
11 Arizona 40.0
12 San Francisco 39.0
13 Atlanta 38.0
14 Miami 38.0
15 St Louis 38.0
16 Green Bay 37.0
17 NY Jets 37.0
18 New Orleans 35.0
19 Kansas City 34.0
20 Chicago 33.0
21 Seattle 33.0
22 Pittsburgh 33.0
23 Cincinnati 33.0
24 Tampa Bay 31.0
25 San Diego 29.0
26 Oakland 29.0
27 Minnesota 28.0
28 Buffalo 27.0
29 Philadelphia 25.0
30 Indianapolis 23.0
31 Carolina 23.0
32 Tennessee 20.0
Overall rushing yards were low across the board compared to passing yards. I think this is in part due to it being week one. Defenses may be a bit ahead of offenses in most match ups week 1. This will change. What defenses are most focused on fundamentally is stopping the run. That will unravel later on as defenses adjust to what teams are doing in the passing game.

Much of it is situational too of course and it is only one week. But so far it looks like the Eagles, Bills and Titans are running a lot more as was expected. The Raiders may follow this path as well. The Browns, Washington, Giants and Atlanta ran less than I would normally expect. The Steelers just couldn't run so I expect them to keep passing more often. I am not sure what the Panthers are doing. Not much against Seattle apparently.

Most teams tried to be balanced.

There were 12 teams that had 70 or more plays of offense. They will not all be able to keep that up, but we could see total plays push 32000. We'll see. The Patriots are still 2 plays/game ahead of where they finished last season after 2 games.
Anyone know where to get the updated numbers on this?
I will likely update this later, for the 1st 4 weeks or so anyways. If anyone else wants to before I can get around to it, knock yourself out. I been taking the data from here- http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/plays-per-game

 
03 Sep 2013

Recent NFL History of the No-Huddle Offense

by Rivers McCown

In the past few years, a new generation of quarterbacks gave NFLfans an introduction to the read option. Cam Newton, Colin Kaepernick, Russell Wilson, and Robert Griffin had the unique talents necessary to make this schematic option work. They also had coaching staffs that would embrace their gifts rather than shoehorn them into running only a "modern" refined NFL passing game.

The next era of offensive evolution? It could be a trend towards the no-huddle offense.

Smoke signals out of Denver indicated that the Broncos were tinkering with more no-huddle looks this offseason under new offensive coordinator Adam Gase. Obviously, there's a whole lot made of Chip Kelly's offense in Philadelphia and how that will shake out, mostly referring to the tempo. Mike Mayock was interviewed by MMQB recently and had this to say:
So for me, the whole tempo thing is going to be a storyline this year. Chip Kelly is going to try to play at warp speed. The Patriots got seven or eight more snaps per game than any other team in the league last year. I think other teams want that. Every camp I went to has a version of that warp-speed tempo. With all these teams trying to run it, I’m really interested to see how the defensive coordinators handle it. One of the things that system does, if you move fast enough, it can take a talented defensive coordinator out of the game. I hear about all the zone-read stuff, but I think a bigger story is tempo.

Meanwhile, perusing Chris Brown's The Essential Smart Football will lead you to this section on the no-huddle offense in general (and Tom Brady in particular):

Given Brady's success this season -- not to mention the success of Peyton Manning's no-huddle Colts in past years -- I expect the no-huddle offense will continue its resurgence. It's worth pondering, though, why NFL teams have been so slow to incorporate something that seems intuitively to be so much better than the alternatives.

Brown goes on to note that teams such as the late 80's-early 90's Bills and Bengals used plenty of no-huddle -- as it is with writing, nothing you can put on an NFL field hasn't been done before -- but ultimately the blame seems to rest on elongated play calls that would actually seem to require a huddle.

So, in unpacking the data we have on the no-huddle offense, there are four things we need to keep in mind.

1) The small sample size. Last year included the most plays marked no-huddle in our database yet, but 2,180 plays out of 32,636 plays is still roughly 6.6 percent of all plays. This gets progressively smaller as we look further back, up until we get to 2002, where less than 100 plays were marked as no-huddle. So, as with most football statistics, small sample size rules are in effect.

2) Inconsistent play-by-play scoring. Moreover, because the NFL's play-by-play scorers are so inconsistent at actually marking no-huddle situations -- especially in the earlier years we've sampled -- there's the possibility that some of this is off by varying degrees. We'll soldier on with what we've got.

3) The Tom Brady and Peyton Manning effect. How much of our numbers are colored by the fact that these guys were the quarterbacks of a plurality of no-huddle snaps throughout the league over the past 10 years? They're only two of the greatest quarterbacks in NFL history, after all. So, I listed separate DVOAs with Brady and Manning (and their backs) and without Brady and Manning (and their backs) in the following table.

4) Running a no-huddle offense versus running a no-huddle offense at the end of a half. While coaches may have "packages" designated for end of half situations that will take advantage of certain no-huddle ideas, there is a big difference in the psychology of a team that willfully chooses to run a no-huddle and one that runs a no-huddle because they need to get down the field as fast as they can. To save myself from going over line after line of data to try to figure out which team was doing which, delaying this piece until March 2015, I simply listed a DVOA for plays marked no-huddle in the first and third quarter and listed how many no-huddle plays came in the second and fourth quarter of games.

No-Huddle Stats, 2012-2003

Passes 19176 18789 18576 18308 17703 18266 17702 17858 17727 17811
NH Passes 1465 1350 888 1136 932 834 751 342 250 220

Runs 13460 13499 13464 13599 13631 13498 13939 13876 13935 14025
NH Runs 715 483 325 523 351 378 329 173 84 63

Running sure has been more effective than passing, hasn't it? While I think some of this can be explained just by zone schemes and ideas breeding lighter offensive linemen that would be built for quicker mobility, I think what we really may have here is a clash of ideologies. NFL defensive positions are not often built with the same versatility that offensive skills are. In a pass-happy league, no defensive coordinator is going to eschew an edge rusher like rookie year Bruce Irvin because he can't set the edge. Instead, he'll just try to spot him in passing situations. Take away the ability to substitute, and suddenly you aren't able to hide weaknesses that easily. Players with versatile all-around skill sets become more important
So, naturally, you put a defense on the field to stop a no-huddle -- predominantly thought of as a passing offense, especially when you figure the end-of-half situations it plays against in a lot of these downs -- you're going to sacrifice to stop the pass. That's not to say that this is all end-of-half situations: Ray Rice had a 32.6% DVOA in 40 first or third quarter carries in Baltimore's no-huddle last season.

Generally, these numbers are bereft of huge negative DVOAs. Take Manning and Brady out, and you see a few less appealing numbers -- but you can say that about just about any stat if you cherry pick things enough. If this were more of a fad offensive idea, you'd expect to see the numbers take some wild turns toward the negative with the small sample sizes. I think the fact that you don't is indicative that the no-huddle has potential as more than just a change-up for teams, so long as they build their identity and offense around it.

What the hell happened in 2009? The entire chart seems to flow smoothly and evenly as far as percentage of no-huddle plays run until we get to 2009, where there were more no-huddle run plays than any year asides from 2012 and the run DVOA is pretty low.

The two teams that significantly shook this tree are the Browns and the Bills. If you're like me, your first thoughts might be "Oh! Chan Gailey and Rob Chudzinski!" Nope. Try Alex Van Pelt and Brian Daboll.

The Bills actually fired offensive coordinator Turk Schonert before the start of the 2009 season, after he'd spent the whole offseason preparing a no-huddle offense. Schonert graciously disagreed with **** Jauron's assertion of the situation, saying "[Jauron] wants a Pop Warner offense. He limited me in formations and limited me in plays ... he's been on my back all offseason."

For the first five weeks of the season, Van Pelt ran some of the installed plays, giving Fred Jackson 51 carries out of a no-huddle attack. He had just two more no-huddle runs for the entire season, and finished the year with a -45.3% DVOA out of the no-huddle. (Marshawn Lynch added 18 carries of -24.8% DVOA for good measure.) After Week 5, Trent Edwards (-34.9% DVOA in 101 no-huddle snaps) was deposed. Ryan Fitzpatrick and a slower scheme were installed. Jauron was fired for ever going along with the idea that a Trent Edwards no-huddle scheme would be a good idea.

Meanwhile, in Cleveland, Daboll had Jerome Harrison and Chris Jennings run out of it 77 times in the last seven weeks of the season -- they accumulated 16 DYAR for their effort, and both had negative DVOAs. Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson combined for a -16.0% DVOA in 148 attempts. It should be noted that during this span, the Browns did finish on a four-game winning streak to lift themselves out of "worst team in the NFL" status. Unfortunately, in a copycat league, teams tend to copy things that are actually successful, and "this lead the Browns to 5-11!" isn't an inspiring rallying cry.

So, with those efforts on tape, it does make a little more sense why the NFL suddenly backtracked a bit on the no-huddle in 2010. They were probably filing it away under "underdog strategies," "nonsense," or "Seriously, Trent Edwards in a no-huddle?!?"

Posted by: Rivers McCown on 03 Sep 2013 http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2013/recent-history-no-huddle-offense

See the link for the DVOA stats (something I didn't paste over) the author is talking about.

There is something different about the total passing attempt and rushing attempt stats that are in this chart however. If I add up the passing attempts from 2012 with the rushing attempts I get 32636 total plays.

This is what I have from PFR-

2012 17788pa 13925ra 31713 plays
2011 17410pa 13971ra 31381 plays
2010 17269pa 13920ra 31189 plays
2009 17033pa 14088ra 31121 plays
2008 16526pa 14119ra 30645 plays
2007 17045pa 13986ra 31031 plays
2006 16389pa 14447ra 30836 plays
2005 16464pa 14375ra 30839 plays
2004 16354pa 14428ra 30782 plays -enforcement of 5yd rule
2003 16493pa 14508ra 31001 plays
2002 17292pa 14102ra 31394 plays

I trust Doug Drinens data is correct. Maybe I need to add sacks/interceptions/fumbles to the total plays? I assume that a pass attempt is still an attempt regardless of if it ends up as one of these 3 things? But I could be wrong about that.

I do think the increase in no huddle plays is interesting still even if the numbers are off for some reason (not sure what the cause is). I also think it is interesting to look at the 1st and 3rd quarter stats, because that eliminates the end of half/end of game situations from the data. Very good article by Rivers McCown in any case that I thought was worth sharing.

As the author points out, it does seem like the score keepers are doing a better job of recording no huddle data now than they may have in years past. Likely because it is becoming a pretty relevant thing now.
 
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just thought I'd make note of philly's latest game, and the importance of possessions and efficiency vs just raw snap counts.

I think they ran 59 snaps this week, with the first week league average being about 67.

I'm working off memory, now, so I welcome correction, but they had a fairly average number of possessions in the first half -- maybe 6, with the last being in the final minute, and of the remaining 5, 2 were shortened on big plays, and one was a 3 and out.

of course, shortening drives on big plays is fine for production, but just gets lost in raw snap counts.

sd pretty much sat on it in the 2nd half, keeping the ball for 2/3rds of the clock, and yielding some paltry 3 or 4 possessions for the eagles, I think the last of which was buzzing down the field in a minute, for some reason, affording sd the chance for a game winning drive.

 
So doing a bit of reading on the subject. It does look like offical stats do not count sacks as a pass attempt. I suppose this makes a bit of sense considering that the QB was not able to get the pass attempt off. Therefore it was not an attempt?

I am still a bit confused about this. Anyhow here is a nice article I found while looking for an answer to that question-

A Better QB Passer Rating
The QB passer rating system is roundly criticized for various reasons, yet it continues to be used in the media and by analysts around the NFL. The formula used to create the passer rating is a bizarre, complicated, redundant, incomplete, and arbitrary equation. And it should be replaced.

CURRENT NFL PASSER RATING CRITICISMS

It is bizarre because the result, the actual rating, signifies nothing. The units are in terms of...well nothing--not yards, or points, or completions, or their equivalents.

It is complicated because it combines four separate components that each practically require a slide ruler to compute. For example, the interception component is 2.375-(Int/Att x 25).

It is incomplete because it does not consider sacks.

It is redundant because it includes both completion percentage and yards per attempt. The yards per attempt stat is highly dependent on on completion percentage. Yards per attempt is actually just (yards per catch) x (completion %). Therefore, completion percentage is double counted in the formula.

It is arbitrary because each of the four components are not weighted in any meaningful way. The components of the formula are based on multipliers and constants selected to give the rating a nice scale rather than based on their importance to scoring or winning. They also use arbitrary maximums--each component is capped at 2.375 for an unknown reason. Look at the interception component formula above. Why is it multiplied by 25? Why not 30 or 20?

My personal criticism of the passer rating is that it includes touchdown passes. They should not be included in a passer rating because they are the result of many other factors beyond QB passing proficiency. For example, a QB could be on a team with a terrific defense that frequently produces turnovers deep in an opponent's territory. Or he could benefit from a great running offense that sustains drives. Further, TD passes are the culmination of all the other attributes of the passer. Accuracy, avoiding interceptions, and avoiding sacks all lead to TD passes.

I contend that passer attributes that enable the TD passes are far truer measures of passing performance than whether a WR broke a 7 yard slant pass for 50 yard TD run. Why should the QB get credit for that? What about a perfectly thrown 40 yard pass to a WR knocked out of bounds at the 1 yard line, followed by a 1-yd TD run? We don't need a fantasy football scoring formula, we need a reliable passer rating system that tells us how much a quarterback contributes to his team's success.

BUILDING A BETTER RATING SYSTEM

My goal is to create a meaningful passer rating based on factors controlled primarily by the quarterback alone. The weights of each component are based on their statistically predictive power of team wins. The units of the rating are in "wins added." In other words, the result of the new rating reveals, holding all other team performance measures equal, how many wins above (or below) average, a QB's passing performance would add to his team over the course of 16 games.

The formula is based on a multivariate regression model of team wins. Using data from the past five NFL regular seasons, the regression model estimates team wins based on the efficiency stats of each team including passing, running, turnovers, and penalties. Regression models can hold all other factors equal. By only adjusting the factors of interest (passing performance) we can see the effect on the estimate of season wins. The regression model automatically weights each factor corresponding to its actual importance in terms of team wins. Arbitrary weighting is not necessary.

The "wins added" model of rating athletic performance is based on a rich foundation of previous work in other sports. In baseball, Bill James's runs created statistic weights its various components in a way that approximates a batter's share of runs scored by his team. The recent book Wages of Wins proposed a similar stat for NBA basketball calledWins per 48 Minutes (WP48). The author, David Berri, weighted stats such as points scored, steals, turnovers, and assists based on a regression model of team wins. WP48 estimates each player's share of his team's wins. [i should also note Berri also attempted something similar with QB ratings, called QB Score, with far less success. It weights the components based on a regression and includes sack data. But it contains the same comlexities, redundancies, and other problems with traditional passer rating. In fact, it produces nearly identical results with the traditional rating, correlating at 0.95.]

The new rating system is also a derivative of a baseball stat called the Defense Independent Pitching Statistic (DIPS) developed by amateur sabermetrician Voros McCracken, now employed by the Red Sox. DIPS is a revolutionary concept because it intentionally ignores a large part of conventional pitching statistics. It is based on the idea that once a batter puts a ball into play, the pitcher has no control over whether it is a hit or an out. It is mostly due to luck, defensive positioning, and fielding skills. DIPS considers only those stats that a pitcher has total control over such as strike outs, walks, and home runs. Although DIPS only includes a subset of pitching performance, it is actually more predictive of a pitcher's year-to-year ERA than his actual ERA. It's better because it's a truer measure of pitching ability that ignores the noise of luck and other factors beyond the pitcher's control. The stats that remain are good proxy variables for the ones not included.

This new passer rating system is based on the same concepts as runs created, WP48, and DIPS. Like runs created and WP48, the new passer rating system is computed in terms of a concrete outcome. In this case, it is in terms of team wins instead of team scoring. And similar to DIPS, the new system includes performance measures primarily controlled by the quarterback. Although it is much harder in football than baseball to extricate one player's contribution from the rest of his team, the new system ignores spurious stats such as TD passes.

In summary, the new passer rating:

1. Is not arbitrary. Each component is weighted exactly as much as their relative importance to winning games. These weights are derived from a regression model using data from all teams since the 2002 expansion.

2. Is computed in terms of team wins. The regression model allows the passer rating model's component weights to translate directly into how many additional wins a QB's performance would yield, on average, over 16 full games.

3. Is not redundant. The components do not double count passing stats.

4. Includes only the passing stats primarily controlled by the QB. Factors such as passing yards after catch are not included. Admittedly, this is an imperfect feature of this rating system, but that is due to the team nature of the sport of football. No method could perfectly separate a single player's contribution from his team's.

The three components of the new system are completion percentage, interception rate, and sack yardage rate. In three prior posts, I discuss why I included each one, how they are calculated, and list how the QBs of 2006 rank for each component. The resulting formula of the new passer rating is:

QB Wins Added = (Comp% * 0.18) - (Int/Att * 50.5) - (Sack Yds/Att * 1.57) - 8

Why subtract 8? Because that is the average number of wins achieved by the average QB, and we're interested in 'wins added' above the average performance. http://www.advancednflstats.com/2007/07/better-qb-passer-rating.html
PFR data with sacks added to pass attempts-

2012 17788pa 1169sk 13925ra 32822 plays
2011 17410pa 1188sk 13971ra 32569 plays
2010 17269pa 1130sk 13920ra 32319 plays
2009 17033pa 1101sk 14088ra 32222 plays
2008 16526pa 1036sk 14119ra 31681 plays
2007 17045pa 1102sk 13986ra 32133 plays
2006 16389pa 1164sk 14447ra 32000 plays
2005 16464pa 1182sk 14375ra 32021 plays
2004 16354pa 1196sk 14428ra 31978 plays -enforcement of 5yd rule
2003 16493pa 1092sk 14508ra 32093 plays
2002 17292pa 1175sk 14102ra 32569 plays

So this somewhat answers the previous question about projections being loosely based around 1k total plays/team each season after adding the sack totals.

I think it needs to be said, somewhat touched on in the QB rating article, that sacks if considered passing plays (I feel should be combined with pass attempts?) this means that the run/pass ratios are even more in favor of passing, and that the passing yardage will be subtracted from the QB stats but will not affect the receiving stats of the players making the catch. So there is more receiving yardage than passing yardage because of this. At least I think so.

This whole exercise is causing me to question a lot of things.
 
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Meanwhile, in Cleveland, Daboll had Jerome Harrison and Chris Jennings run out of it 77 times in the last seven weeks of the season -- they accumulated 16 DYAR for their effort, and both had negative DVOAs. Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson combined for a -16.0% DVOA in 148 attempts. It should be noted that during this span, the Browns did finish on a four-game winning streak to lift themselves out of "worst team in the NFL" status. Unfortunately, in a copycat league, teams tend to copy things that are actually successful, and "this lead the Browns to 5-11!" isn't an inspiring rallying cry.
I don't know what sample sizes you're looking at, but if daboll is moving the market remember he was with the pats back in '06, and I think he followed mangini (ex-pat) to cle in '09, iirc.

 
just thought I'd make note of philly's latest game, and the importance of possessions and efficiency vs just raw snap counts.

I think they ran 59 snaps this week, with the first week league average being about 67.

I'm working off memory, now, so I welcome correction, but they had a fairly average number of possessions in the first half -- maybe 6, with the last being in the final minute, and of the remaining 5, 2 were shortened on big plays, and one was a 3 and out.

of course, shortening drives on big plays is fine for production, but just gets lost in raw snap counts.

sd pretty much sat on it in the 2nd half, keeping the ball for 2/3rds of the clock, and yielding some paltry 3 or 4 possessions for the eagles, I think the last of which was buzzing down the field in a minute, for some reason, affording sd the chance for a game winning drive.
This is a good point in regards to the number of possessions Larry. Do you have data for total number of possessions by year somewhere?

In regards to the Eagles I think it is in one of the previous posts of the thread, but they do have 3 different speeds that they will run the offense.

This also gets affected by the number of possessions the opposing team has and the TOP they use on each possession. If the other team grinds out a long drive in terms of the number of plays run before giving the ball back to the other offense, this limits the time and number of possessions they have available to run their offense.

So that is a reasonable counter to up tempo, by limiting the other teams possessions and the amount of time they have on offense.

 
Meanwhile, in Cleveland, Daboll had Jerome Harrison and Chris Jennings run out of it 77 times in the last seven weeks of the season -- they accumulated 16 DYAR for their effort, and both had negative DVOAs. Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson combined for a -16.0% DVOA in 148 attempts. It should be noted that during this span, the Browns did finish on a four-game winning streak to lift themselves out of "worst team in the NFL" status. Unfortunately, in a copycat league, teams tend to copy things that are actually successful, and "this lead the Browns to 5-11!" isn't an inspiring rallying cry.
I don't know what sample sizes you're looking at, but if daboll is moving the market remember he was with the pats back in '06, and I think he followed mangini (ex-pat) to cle in '09, iirc.
I am not looking at the football outsiders data. These were Rivers McCown's thoughts from a couple weeks ago in the article.

I found that part very interesting also, and thanks for pointing out that Doboll was with the Pats in 06 as well.

 
just thought I'd make note of philly's latest game, and the importance of possessions and efficiency vs just raw snap counts.

I think they ran 59 snaps this week, with the first week league average being about 67.

I'm working off memory, now, so I welcome correction, but they had a fairly average number of possessions in the first half -- maybe 6, with the last being in the final minute, and of the remaining 5, 2 were shortened on big plays, and one was a 3 and out.

of course, shortening drives on big plays is fine for production, but just gets lost in raw snap counts.

sd pretty much sat on it in the 2nd half, keeping the ball for 2/3rds of the clock, and yielding some paltry 3 or 4 possessions for the eagles, I think the last of which was buzzing down the field in a minute, for some reason, affording sd the chance for a game winning drive.
It's kinda funny, because Mike Vick put up over 450 total yards, 3 TDs, Desean jackson had almost 200 yards receiving, and McCoy had over 100 receiving with 165 combined yards...

...and my first thought on checking the box score was "59 snaps?? what is this, amateur hour??" lol

 
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Yes executing big plays means a shorter possession of the ball and points (hopefully) which is not a bad thing, but can lead to an offense running less offensive plays.

Also special teams and turnovers. When the offense is starting with better field position they will gain less yardage on the drive even if they score. This leads to fewer number of plays/possession, less TOP and less total plays.

I hadn't really thought about this much before. But it might be good to look at offenses that are not doing as well on their kick/punt returns than average, then compare that with the plays and yardage gained by the offense.

What you would be looking for is a good offense with bad kick returns as a good combination for perhaps more yardage/plays than average and similarly teams with good returns may have less yardage/plays because of that. For example the Bears against the Vikings last week. Huge returns in that game.

 
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I've been thinking about something recently, and the article above on the no huddle offense sort of brought it back up. I think defenses need to formulate a new hybrid-position that reacts to some of the changes in the game. A few changes in particular:

(1) the ever-increasing importance of the TE - who is a coverage nightmare because your blue-chip TE is too fast for a LB, too strong for a CB, and too good of a route runner for a FS (not to mention the fact that the safeties are usually too far off the line to deal with short range TE targets),

(2)(a) the no-huddle offense that looks to trap a defense in nickel and then run repeatedly, or trap in 4-3/3-4 and then pass repeatedly,

(2)(b) hence, the increasing need for defensive players to be versatile and not be speciality players who only sub-in on, say, third and long.

The new position I have in mind is something of a cross between S Eric Berry, CB/S Mathieu, CB Patrick Peterson, a young MLB Brian Urlacher, etc. Basically a player who is the inverse of the new uber-athletic TE. Ideally a big DB with experience in college at LB, or a small LB with experience in college at DB. Someone who can hold down the nickel-CB position, but not be a liability in run defense, who could flip easily from nickel-CB to weak-side LB to FS or 'rover' whatever its called in college when teams utilize 3 safeties. Instead, the nickel corner is usually the 3rd best corner, often the smallest, who is usually the inverse of the Wes Welker types (or at least, the attempt at that. It doesn't work well in practice if the guy trying to cover welker is your 3rd best coverage guy.)

Of course, these players don't grow on trees - but neither do players like Jimmy Graham, Gronk, Julius Thomas, Jordan Cameron, Greg Olsen types.

In fact, I'm sort of surprised at the lack of innovation on the defensive side of the ball... we've got the same old 4-3/3-4 split. The newest trend I can think of is the "times square defense" as Easterbrook calls it with one or no down line men, everyone milling about at the line of scrimmage, like Steelers or Jets or Packers have utilized over the last 3-5 years. Instead, TEs seem to grow in importance and in number over the last 3-4 seasons, and there's been little to no response to the trend on the defensive side. Some team somewhere should've been grooming a TE-coverage, run-defending hybrid who can play on any down. It makes more sense to me to have, say, Patrick Peterson work to implement more aspects to his defensive abilities rather than try to train him to run a handful of snaps on offense where he's basically a below average WR or RB.

/tin foil

 
The newest trend I can think of is the "times square defense" as Easterbrook calls it with one or no down line men, everyone milling about at the line of scrimmage, like Steelers or Jets or Packers have utilized over the last 3-5 years.
pretty sure belichick had done that with the giants -- I remember mangini using that defense against us one week when he was with the jets.

and there's been talk of the hybrid safety in today's nfl becoming increasingly valuable.

as a matter of fact, belichick has liked using the big nickel james sanders type role for years.

I think defense may have to recruit their own basketball players.

also, football outsiders has drive stats, for whoever was looking for them

 
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Yes executing big plays means a shorter possession of the ball and points (hopefully) which is not a bad thing, but can lead to an offense running less offensive plays.

Also special teams and turnovers. When the offense is starting with better field position they will gain less yardage on the drive even if they score. This leads to fewer number of plays/possession, less TOP and less total plays.

I hadn't really thought about this much before. But it might be good to look at offenses that are not doing as well on their kick/punt returns than average, then compare that with the plays and yardage gained by the offense.

What you would be looking for is a good offense with bad kick returns as a good combination for perhaps more yardage/plays than average and similarly teams with good returns may have less yardage/plays because of that. For example the Bears against the Vikings last week. Huge returns in that game.
think I'd rather have a good kr and a score over a chance at better yardage and a punt

 
I've been thinking about something recently, and the article above on the no huddle offense sort of brought it back up. I think defenses need to formulate a new hybrid-position that reacts to some of the changes in the game. A few changes in particular:

(1) the ever-increasing importance of the TE - who is a coverage nightmare because your blue-chip TE is too fast for a LB, too strong for a CB, and too good of a route runner for a FS (not to mention the fact that the safeties are usually too far off the line to deal with short range TE targets),

(2)(a) the no-huddle offense that looks to trap a defense in nickel and then run repeatedly, or trap in 4-3/3-4 and then pass repeatedly,

(2)(b) hence, the increasing need for defensive players to be versatile and not be speciality players who only sub-in on, say, third and long.

The new position I have in mind is something of a cross between S Eric Berry, CB/S Mathieu, CB Patrick Peterson, a young MLB Brian Urlacher, etc. Basically a player who is the inverse of the new uber-athletic TE. Ideally a big DB with experience in college at LB, or a small LB with experience in college at DB. Someone who can hold down the nickel-CB position, but not be a liability in run defense, who could flip easily from nickel-CB to weak-side LB to FS or 'rover' whatever its called in college when teams utilize 3 safeties. Instead, the nickel corner is usually the 3rd best corner, often the smallest, who is usually the inverse of the Wes Welker types (or at least, the attempt at that. It doesn't work well in practice if the guy trying to cover welker is your 3rd best coverage guy.)

Of course, these players don't grow on trees - but neither do players like Jimmy Graham, Gronk, Julius Thomas, Jordan Cameron, Greg Olsen types.

In fact, I'm sort of surprised at the lack of innovation on the defensive side of the ball... we've got the same old 4-3/3-4 split. The newest trend I can think of is the "times square defense" as Easterbrook calls it with one or no down line men, everyone milling about at the line of scrimmage, like Steelers or Jets or Packers have utilized over the last 3-5 years. Instead, TEs seem to grow in importance and in number over the last 3-4 seasons, and there's been little to no response to the trend on the defensive side. Some team somewhere should've been grooming a TE-coverage, run-defending hybrid who can play on any down. It makes more sense to me to have, say, Patrick Peterson work to implement more aspects to his defensive abilities rather than try to train him to run a handful of snaps on offense where he's basically a below average WR or RB.

/tin foil
Here is a pretty good article from the post above by Chris Brown talking about different defensive alignments being used against a more pass happy NFL- http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8015709/an-excerpt-essential-smart-football-birth-3-3-5-defense

A lot of this is about the 3-3-5 nickle defense being used more frequently. One of the 1st times I recall seeing this at NFL level frequently was in the 90's but it was more due to personnel (injuries to Rams defensive line at the time) than as a reaction to how the NFL has become so much more of a passing league.

The Vikings are still running a ton of nickle defense. They basically have only been in a base 4-3 defense about 20% of the time for many years now. I thought part of that was just due to Antoine Winfield being such a great tackling slot corner, which he certainly was, but it is more about how many multiple receiver sets the Vikings constantly face in the division and outside it. They have thrown Josh Robinson into the fire at slot corner and he has played a ton. This is a 4-2-5 nickle rather than 3-3-5 though and the Vikings have had issues defending the TE for quite some time now. A specialized player to defend TE mismatch players is not an easy player to find however. Pat Willis is about the only guy off the top of my head who can match up speed wise with some of the faster TE and even he is somewhat at disadvantage size/height wise. Bigger corner backs helps somewhat. But not really easy to find a player with the combination of abilities to shut down some of the size/speed combinations at TE.

Defenses can try to keep these players from getting off the line with a good jam and let a safety pick them up in coverage later on. But then the defense is committing 2 players to one, for at least parts of the play and that leaves weaknesses elsewhere in coverage or against the run (TE can use the jam to more easily keep that defender out of the play. The safety will not be able to cheat forward against the run).

What the Lions did effectively against the 4-2-5 defense was Stafford threw the ball quickly enough to negate the 4 pass rushers.

The 2 Linebackers really have too many responsibilities to be chipping a TE at the beginning of the play. The defensive backs are size mismatch (so are the LB really in terms of height) for the TE once they get a clean release. This is where I think the 3-3-5 can possibly match up better with some good coverage LB who can also rush the passer. So teams shifted to the 3-4 in part because of the personnel advantages that gives when in the 3-3-5.

The more a team feels comfortable with being able to get rid of the ball quickly enough to negate the pass rush, the more they are willing to spread out the field and force defenses into more nickle and dime personnel groups. A TE who is a threat as a receiver and a blocker can allow those teams to set up better situations for their running game. League wide YPC was 4.2 2010 4.3 2011 4.3 2012. As teams continue to pass more and spread things out the more likely yards/carry rushing will go up. This change is less obvious when looking at all rushing plays compared to specific players.

 
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Total offensive plays after 2 weeks + Wk 3 Philly/Chiefs game-

Baltimore79.079.071.071.087.065.72

Houston76.576.578.078.075.069.03

New England76.576.564.064.089.074.34

NY Jets72.072.071.073.071.064.65

Denver70.070.072.068.072.069.26 5 teams pacing for 1100+ plays

New Orleans68.068.070.066.070.066.77

Arizona68.068.066.066.070.063.68

Kansas City68.068.077.065.069.563.49

Dallas67.567.561.074.061.065.610

St Louis67.567.573.062.073.062.611

Buffalo67.067.073.067.0--61.412

Cincinnati67.067.079.079.055.062.613

Cleveland67.067.062.072.062.062.414

Detroit67.067.057.077.057.072.515

Philadelphia66.066.063.060.577.067.416

Jacksonville66.066.062.070.062.062.117 16 teams so far pacing for 1050+ total plays

Miami65.565.566.0--65.561.418

Seattle65.565.570.070.061.061.619

San Diego65.065.079.051.079.061.820

Tennessee65.065.067.0--65.059.821

Green Bay64.064.070.070.058.064.722

Washington64.064.058.070.058.061.623

NY Giants64.064.069.069.059.060.524

Chicago63.563.566.063.5--62.425

SanFrancisco63.063.051.075.051.060.826

Carolina63.063.076.050.076.061.827 26 teams pacing for 1000+ total plays

Indianapolis62.562.572.062.5--70.428

Oakland62.062.061.061.063.064.529

Minnesota58.558.564.0--58.562.530

Atlanta58.058.061.061.055.063.831

Tampa Bay57.557.556.056.059.063.032

Pittsburgh54.054.055.053.055.063.9 The bottom 6 teams will need to increase their total plays to cross 1k threshold.

These numbers will smooth out and come down as the season progresses. So far half of the league is on target for 1050 or more total plays. Baltimore definitely passing the ball more and that should continue. The Jets having so many offensive plays is somewhat of a surprise and I do not expect that to be maintained all season. But then I know nothing about the Jets, ick.

I do expect the Lions to improve their number of plays as the season wears on but there is a lot of penalties and other things that will make this inconsistent. Cleveland I would expect plays to decline. Jacksonville has been the other surprise team on this list besides the Jets.

Passing plays/game-

Baltimore 47.5 47.5 33.0 33.0 62.0 34.3 2

Houston 46.5 46.5 48.0 48.0 45.0 35.7 3

St Louis 46.5 46.5 55.0 38.0 55.0 34.8 4

NY Giants 45.5 45.5 49.0 49.0 42.0 33.7 5

New England 45.5 45.5 39.0 39.0 52.0 40.8 6

Dallas 45.5 45.5 42.0 49.0 42.0 41.1 7

Cleveland 45.0 45.0 37.0 53.0 37.0 35.4 8

Washington 44.5 44.5 40.0 49.0 40.0 27.7 9

Denver 42.5 42.5 43.0 42.0 43.0 37.1 10

Atlanta 40.5 40.5 43.0 43.0 38.0 38.4 11

New Orleans 40.5 40.5 46.0 35.0 46.0 41.9 12

Arizona 40.0 40.0 40.0 40.0 40.0 38.0 13

Jacksonville 39.5 39.5 38.0 41.0 38.0 36.6 14

Detroit 39.5 39.5 36.0 43.0 36.0 46.2 15

Green Bay 39.5 39.5 42.0 42.0 37.0 35.0 16

Cincinnati 39.0 39.0 45.0 45.0 33.0 33.5 17

San Diego 38.0 38.0 47.0 29.0 47.0 33.0 18

NY Jets 37.0 37.0 35.0 39.0 35.0 30.8 19

Miami 36.0 36.0 34.0 -- 36.0 31.5 20

Chicago 35.5 35.5 38.0 35.5 -- 30.3 21

Kansas City 35.0 35.0 35.0 36.0 34.5 29.7 22

Pittsburgh 35.0 35.0 37.0 33.0 37.0 35.9 23

San Francisco 33.5 33.5 28.0 39.0 28.0 27.2 24

Indianapolis 33.0 33.0 43.0 33.0 -- 40.1 25

Buffalo 33.0 33.0 39.0 33.0 -- 31.9 26

Philadelphia 30.7 30.7 30.0 33.5 25.0 38.6 27

Carolina 30.5 30.5 38.0 23.0 38.0 30.6 28

Minnesota 29.0 29.0 30.0 -- 29.0 30.2 29

Tampa Bay 26.5 26.5 22.0 22.0 31.0 35.4 30

Oakland 26.5 26.5 24.0 24.0 29.0 39.3 31

Seattle 26.0 26.0 19.0 19.0 33.0 25.9 32

Tennessee 25.0 25.0

Rushing plays/game-

Tennessee 37.5 37.5 33.0 -- 37.5 23.6 2

Seattle 36.5 36.5 47.0 47.0 26.0 33.4 3

Buffalo 33.5 33.5 33.0 33.5 -- 27.6 4

Oakland 33.5 33.5 34.0 34.0 33.0 23.5 5

Philadelphia 32.0 32.0 28.0 23.5 49.0 25.8 6

NY Jets 30.5 30.5 32.0 29.0 32.0 30.9 7

Kansas City 29.7 29.7 37.0 25.0 32.0 31.2 8

New England 29.5 29.5 24.0 24.0 35.0 31.9 9

Tampa Bay 29.0 29.0 33.0 33.0 25.0 26.0 10

Carolina 29.0 29.0 32.0 26.0 32.0 28.9 11

Baltimore 28.5 28.5 36.0 36.0 21.0 29.1 12

Houston 28.0 28.0 28.0 28.0 28.0 31.7 13

Cincinnati 27.5 27.5 34.0 34.0 21.0 26.2 14

Minnesota 27.5 27.5 33.0 -- 27.5 30.3 15

Chicago 27.5 27.5 27.0 27.5 -- 29.4 16

San Francisco 27.0 27.0 20.0 34.0 20.0 31.2 17

Detroit 27.0 27.0 20.0 34.0 20.0 24.4 18

Indianapolis 26.0 26.0 26.0 26.0 -- 27.6 19

Denver 26.0 26.0 29.0 23.0 29.0 30.7 20

San Diego 25.5 25.5 31.0 20.0 31.0 25.7 21

Arizona 25.5 25.5 25.0 25.0 26.0 22.0 22

Miami 25.0 25.0 27.0 -- 25.0 27.5 23

New Orleans 24.5 24.5 20.0 29.0 20.0 23.1 24

Green Bay 21.5 21.5 24.0 24.0 19.0 26.7 25

St Louis 21.0 21.0 18.0 24.0 18.0 25.6 26

Jacksonville 21.0 21.0 19.0 23.0 19.0 22.4 27

Dallas 19.5 19.5 16.0 23.0 16.0 22.2 28

Washington 17.5 17.5 17.0 18.0 17.0 31.9 29

NY Giants 16.5 16.5 19.0 19.0 14.0 25.6 30

Cleveland 16.5 16.5 20.0 13.0 20.0 24.8 31

Pittsburgh 15.5 15.5 16.0 15.0 16.0 25.8 32

Atlanta 15.0 15.0

 
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Week 3 data-

New England 75.0 75.0 72.0 68.0 89.0 74.3 2

Baltimore 71.7 71.7 57.0 64.0 87.0 65.7 3

NY Jets 71.3 71.3 70.0 71.5 71.0 64.6 4

Houston 71.3 71.3 61.0 78.0 68.0 69.0 5

Denver 71.0 71.0 73.0 70.5 72.0 69.2 6

New Orleans 70.0 70.0 74.0 70.0 70.0 66.7 7

Buffalo 69.7 69.7 75.0 67.0 75.0 61.4 8

Cleveland 69.7 69.7 75.0 72.0 68.5 62.4 9 - pacing for 1100 total plays

Green Bay 68.3 68.3 77.0 70.0 67.5 64.7 10

Kansas City 68.0 68.0 77.0 65.0 69.5 63.4 11

Washington 67.3 67.3 74.0 72.0 58.0 61.6 12

St Louis 67.3 67.3 67.0 62.0 70.0 62.6 13

Carolina 66.7 66.7 74.0 62.0 76.0 61.8 14

Detroit 66.7 66.7 66.0 77.0 61.5 72.5 15

Philadelphia 66.3 66.3 64.0 61.0 77.0 67.4 16

Jacksonville 66.0 66.0 66.0 70.0 64.0 62.1 17

Seattle 66.0 66.0 67.0 68.5 61.0 61.6 18

Tennessee 66.0 66.0 68.0 68.0 65.0 59.8 19

Minnesota 65.3 65.3 79.0 79.0 58.5 62.5 20

Dallas 64.7 64.7 59.0 66.5 61.0 65.6 21

Indianapolis 64.0 64.0 67.0 62.5 67.0 70.4 22

Arizona 63.7 63.7 55.0 66.0 62.5 63.6 23

Cincinnati 63.3 63.3 56.0 67.5 55.0 62.6 24 -pacing for 1k + plays

Chicago 62.3 62.3 60.0 63.5 60.0 62.4 25

Miami 62.0 62.0 55.0 55.0 65.5 61.4 26

Atlanta 61.3 61.3 68.0 61.0 61.5 63.8 27

San Diego 61.0 61.0 53.0 51.0 66.0 61.8 28

Tampa Bay 60.3 60.3 66.0 56.0 62.5 63.0 29

San Francisco 59.7 59.7 53.0 64.0 51.0 60.8 30

NY Giants 59.3 59.3 50.0 69.0 54.5 60.5 31

Oakland 58.3 58.3 51.0 61.0 57.0 64.5 32

Pittsburgh 57.7 57.7 65.0 59.0 55.0 63.9

Currently 8 teams are on pace for 1100 total plays, Pats, Ravens, Jets :eek: , Texans, Broncos, Saints, Bills, Browns. Biggest surprises to me are the Jets and Browns so far.

23 out of 32 teams are currently pacing for over 1000 total plays.

Rushing attempts/game -

Seattle36.336.336.041.526.033.42

Tennessee34.734.729.029.037.523.63

Carolina34.734.746.036.032.028.94

NY Jets34.034.041.035.032.030.95

Philadelphia32.032.028.023.549.025.86

Buffalo30.730.725.033.525.027.67

New England30.730.733.028.535.031.98

Indianapolis30.330.339.026.039.027.69

Kansas City29.729.737.025.032.031.210

Baltimore29.329.331.033.521.029.111

Denver29.029.035.029.029.030.712

Minnesota28.728.731.031.027.530.313

Oakland28.028.017.034.025.023.514

Chicago27.727.728.027.528.029.415

Tampa Bay26.726.722.033.023.526.016

Cincinnati26.326.324.029.021.026.217

Houston26.326.323.028.025.531.718

San Diego26.026.027.020.029.025.719

San Francisco25.725.723.028.520.031.220

Detroit25.725.723.034.021.524.421

New Orleans24.324.324.026.520.023.122

Green Bay24.324.330.024.024.526.723

Dallas24.324.334.028.516.022.224

Arizona22.322.316.025.021.022.025

Jacksonville22.022.024.023.021.522.426

Miami21.721.715.015.025.027.527

Atlanta20.020.030.016.022.023.728

Washington19.019.022.020.017.031.929

St Louis18.018.012.024.015.025.630

Pittsburgh17.317.321.018.016.025.831

Cleveland16.716.717.013.018.524.832

NY Giants16.316.316.019.015.025.6

Biggest surprise here for me is the Colts who are averaging over 30ra/game. I am also surprised Washington is not running more than they have thus far. I certainly thought Cleveland would run more than this also.

20 teams are pacing for 400+ rushing attempts at this time. It may not be very effective, but most teams are still running the ball near 25 times a game or more.

Passing attempts/game-

Cleveland48.348.355.053.046.035.42

St Louis47.347.349.038.052.034.83

Washington46.346.350.049.540.027.74

Houston42.742.735.048.040.035.75

New Orleans42.342.346.040.546.041.96

New England42.342.336.037.552.040.87

Denver40.740.737.039.543.037.18

Green Bay40.740.743.042.040.035.09

Detroit40.340.342.043.039.046.210

Baltimore39.739.724.028.562.034.311

Atlanta39.739.738.043.038.038.412

NY Giants39.339.327.049.034.533.713

Jacksonville39.039.038.041.038.036.614

Arizona38.338.335.040.037.538.015

Dallas38.338.324.036.542.041.116 - Teams on pace for 600 passing attempts.

Pittsburgh37.037.041.037.037.035.917

Buffalo36.036.042.033.042.031.918

Miami35.735.735.035.036.031.519

Cincinnati35.335.328.036.533.033.520

Kansas City35.035.035.036.034.529.721

NY Jets34.334.329.034.035.030.822

Chicago33.733.730.035.530.030.323

Minnesota33.333.342.042.029.030.224

San Diego33.333.324.029.035.533.025

Tampa Bay31.331.341.022.036.035.426

San Francisco31.331.327.033.028.027.227

Indianapolis31.031.027.033.027.040.128

Philadelphia30.730.730.033.525.038.629

Carolina29.329.327.025.038.030.630

Tennessee29.029.037.037.025.033.831

Oakland28.028.031.024.030.039.332

Seattle27.027.029.024.033.025.9

Cleveland and Washington passing much more than I expected. The Colts much less.

There is starting to be enough data that one could look at projecting this out 16 games. Not that I expect this to be accurate, but it might give you an idea of what to expect moving forward now that we are approaching the quarter mark of the season. Things are going to get funky because of byes now, but that does not affect per game stats as much.

I think you can expect some of the bottom 5 rushing/passing attempts/game teams to balance those ratios a bit moving forward. So targeting Qb and receivers from those teams might be good buy low opportunities. Similarly the teams who are bottom 5 in rushing attempts might be good RB to target.

Jacksonville is quietly running enough plays (and passing plays) that I would expect another bump in their passing efficiency with Blackmon coming back. So picking him up or trading for him or Henne might be moves to consider.

 
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I will be coming back to total plays run for week 4 at a later time. What I am looking at this morning is combined yards from scrimmage (without kick returns) thus far at the week 4 mark-

LeSean McCoy Phi RB 4 608
Jamaal Charles KC RB 4 502
Demarco Murray Dal RB 4 492
Julio Jones Atl WR 4 488
Matt Forte Chi RB 4 480
Adrian Peterson Min RB 4 473
Jimmy Graham NO TE 4 458
Torrey Smith Bal WR 4 435
Reggie Bush Det RB 3 433
Antonio Brown Pit WR 4 426
Victor Cruz NYG WR 4 425
Bilal Powell NYJ RB 4 400
Marshawn Lynch Sea RB 4 399
Arian Foster Hou RB 4 398
DeSean Jackson Phi WR 4 393
Demaryius ThomasDen WR 4 393
Doug Martin TB RB 4 377
Anquan Boldin SF WR 4 372
Darren Sproles NO RB 4 370
Fred Jackson Buf RB 4 369 - Totally defying the age 32 RB decline history right now.
Andre Johnson Hou WR 4 368
Antonio Gates SD TE 4 364
Jordan Cameron Cle TE 4 360
Frank Gore SF RB 4 351

The 24 players above have averaged 87.5 yards/game over the 1st 4 games. 13 of these players are RB. 8 are WR and 3 of them are TE. As a quarter sample of the NFL season this does show why people will draft RB high. They are the players most likely to get the most touches and yards at the top of the spectrum. The WR who can keep pace are fewer. The ones who do are generally considered elite WR prospects, though there are some WR here who were not really considered as such by ADP. There is more turnover at the WR positon than at RB. Most of the RB who are in this top 24 were also very high ADP. Powell and Jackson being the 2 main exceptions. 3 TE also make this list. There generally are only 3-5 TE players who will be such difference makers. However the position is growing closer to WR in terms of yardage production compared to years past.

Pierre Garcon Was WR 4 349
Brandon MarshallChi WR 4 348
Jerome Simpson Min WR 4 342
Eric Decker Den WR 4 340
Joique Bell Det RB 4 338
Cecil Shorts Jac WR 4 337
Nate Washington Ten WR 4 332
Julian Edelman NE WR 4 323
Alfred Morris Was RB 4 318
Calvin Johnson Det WR 4 312
Knowshon Moreno Den RB 4 308
Reggie Wayne Ind WR 4 305
DeAngelo WilliamsCar RB 3 302
A.J. Green Cin WR 4 300

This is the cut off for 75 yards/game over 4 weeks. 38 total players above this point. 17 RB 18 WR 3 TE. So while the above cutoff was more dominated by RB, things have evened out pretty quickly between RB and WR now. Jerome Simpson, Nate Washington and Julian Edelman the main surprises at WR. 2 of these WR come from run 1st offenses with questionable QBs. 2 Lions RB are in the top 38 players for total yards.

Marques Colston NO WR 4 298
Randall Cobb GB WR 3 296
Vincent Jackson TB WR 4 292
Ryan Mathews SD RB 4 292
Chris Johnson Ten RB 4 289
Jordy Nelson GB WR 3 289
Dez Bryant Dal WR 4 282
Brian Hartline Mia WR 4 272
DeAndre Hopkins Hou WR 4 270
Giovani Bernard Cin RB 4 269
Alshon Jeffery Chi WR 4 268
Wes Welker Den WR 4 266
Darren McFadden Oak RB 4 261
C.J. Spiller Buf RB 4 259
Trent RichardsonCle RB 4 257

Kenbrell ThompkinsNE WR 4 257
Greg Jennings Min WR 4 252
Danny Woodhead SD RB 4 252
Ben Tate Hou RB 4 251
Charles Clay Mia RB 4 246 - This guy is a FB/TE most of the yards in receptions not runs.
Larry FitzgeraldAri WR 4 245
Jerricho CotcheryPit WR 4 243
Santonio Holmes NYJ WR 4 243
Tony Gonzalez Atl TE 4 242
Jared Cook Stl TE 4 240
Michael Floyd Ari WR 4 240
Josh Gordon Cle WR 2 239
Julius Thomas Den TE 4 237
Steve Johnson Buf WR 4 235
Stephen Hill NYJ WR 4 233
Rashard MendenhallAri RB 4 233
Denarius Moore Oak WR 4 233
Nate Burleson Det WR 3 231
Chris Givens Stl WR 4 231
Emmanuel SandersPit WR 4 231
James Starks GB RB 3 231
Hakeem Nicks NYG WR 4 230
Ahmad Bradshaw Ind RB 3 228
Jacquizz RodgersAtl RB 4 228
Michael Vick Phi QB 4 226
Martellus BennettChi TE 4 225
Jason Snelling Atl RB 4 222
Doug Baldwin Sea WR 4 219
Lamar Miller Mia RB 4 217
Robert Woods Buf WR 4 217
Donnie Avery KC WR 4 215
Harry Douglas Atl WR 4 213
James Jones GB WR 3 212
Pierre Thomas NO RB 4 212
Brandon Gibson Mia WR 4 208
T.Y. Hilton Ind WR 4 208
Stevan Ridley NE RB 4 208
Golden Tate Sea WR 4 204
Daryl RichardsonStl RB 3 200

94 players have averaged 50 combined yards/game over the 1st 4 weeks. 34 RB 50 WR 7 TE 1 QB. So getting some yardage production is close to twice as likely from the WR/TE position than it is the RB position. But the RB position dominates the top of the yardage numbers and has more relative value, because there are fewer RB producing than there are WR/TE.

Terrelle Pryor Oak QB 3 198
Greg Olsen Car TE 3 194
Owen Daniels Hou TE 4 192
Jason Witten Dal TE 4 192

Kendall Wright Ten WR 4 192
Eddie Royal SD WR 4 190

This finishes the top 100 players in combined yardage. The totals are 34 RB (34%) 52 WR (52%) 10 TE (10%) and 2 QB (2%).

 
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Total offensive plays after 4 weeks-

1 Houston 75.5
2 Buffalo 72.0
3 New England 71.8
4 Denver 71.0
5 Cleveland 70.0
6 Baltimore 69.5
7 NY Jets 69.0 - Teams on pace for over 1100 total plays.

8 New Orleans 68.8
9 Kansas City 68.5
10 Green Bay 68.3
11 Philadelphia 67.0
12 St Louis 66.8
13 Carolina 66.7
14 Detroit 66.5
15 Washington 66.5 - Teams on pace for over 1050 total plays.

16 Tennessee 65.8
17 Indianapolis 65.5
18 Tampa Bay 64.2
19 Seattle 64.0
20 Atlanta 63.8
21 Cincinnati 63.5
22 Chicago 63.2
23 San Diego 63.2
24 Jacksonville 63.0
25 Pittsburgh 62.5
26 Arizona 62.5
27 Dallas 62.5 - Teams on pace for 1000 total plays.

28 Minnesota 61.8
29 San Francisco 61.0
30 Miami 61.0
31 Oakland 60.0
32 NY Giants 59.8

So 27 out of 32 are currently on pace for over 1k total plays. 7 teams are currently on pace for over 1100 total plays. The main surprise team being the Jets.

Average rushing attempts/game over 4 weeks-

1 Buffalo 36.8
2 Seattle 34.8
3 Carolina 34.7
4 Tennessee 33.8
5 Philadelphia 32.8
6 NY Jets 31.2
7 New England 30.8
8 Indianapolis 30.2
9 Denver 30.0
10 San Francisco 29.2
11 Kansas City 29.2
12 Houston 28.5
13 Tampa Bay 27.8
14 Minnesota 27.8
15 Oakland 27.5
16 Detroit 26.8
17 San Diego 26.2
18 Cincinnati 24.8
19 Chicago 24.8
20 Green Bay 24.3
21 Baltimore 24.2
22 New Orleans 24.2
23 Dallas 22.2
24 Washington 22.2
25 Arizona 21.8
26 Jacksonville 21.0
27 Miami 21.0
28 Cleveland 20.0
29 Atlanta 18.8
30 St Louis 18.2
31 Pittsburgh 18.2
32 NY Giants 17.5

Average passing attempts/game over 4 weeks-
1 St Louis 45.8
2 Cleveland 45.8
3 Houston 44.2
4 Atlanta 43.2
5 Washington 42.5
6 Baltimore 42.2
7 New Orleans 41.5
8 Green Bay 40.7
9 Pittsburgh 40.5
10 Denver 39.8
11 New England 39.5
12 Detroit 39.0
13 NY Giants 38.8
14 Arizona 38.2
15 Dallas 38.0 - Currently 15 of 32 teams are pacing for 600+ passing attempts.

16 Jacksonville 37.2
17 Chicago 37.0
18 Cincinnati 37.0
19 Kansas City 36.5
20 Miami 35.5
21 San Diego 35.5
22 NY Jets 34.2
23 Tampa Bay 34.2
24 Indianapolis 32.8
25 Buffalo 32.5
26 Minnesota 31.2 - 26 teams pacing for 500+ passing attempts.

27 Philadelphia 30.8
28 Tennessee 29.8
29 Carolina 29.3
30 San Francisco 29.2
31 Oakland 29.0
32 Seattle 26.0

The run pass ratios will even out more as the season goes on. However at the quarter mark there are some clear trends as far as which teams are more running teams or passing teams. Buffalo, Patriots, Broncos, Eagles and the Jets are all teams pacing over 1050 total plays while also averaging over 30 ra/game.
 
So I was just looking at the end of year stats for total plays-

2013 18136pa 13871ra 32007pa+ra plays 33302 total plays

2012 17788pa 13925ra 31713pa+ra plays 32882 total plays
2011 17410pa 13971ra 31381pa+ra plays
2010 17269pa 13920ra 31189pa+ra plays
2009 17033pa 14088ra 31121pa+ra plays
2008 16526pa 14119ra 30645pa+ra plays
2007 17045pa 13986ra 31031pa+ra plays
2006 16389pa 14447ra 30836pa+ra plays
2005 16464pa 14375ra 30839pa+ra plays
2004 16354pa 14428ra 30782pa+ra plays -enforcement of 5yd rule

So I was wrong about thinking the league would run 14000 or more total rushing plays in 2013.

The combined pass attempts and rushing attempts did cross the 32000 mark.

Total plays (including penalties and sacks) increased by 320 total plays from 2012 to 2013. That averages out to 10 extra plays/team.

Total offensive plays certainly seem to be increasing. Projections should take into consideration that total plays continue to climb.
 
I saw this tweeted this AM and thought it fit well in this thread - I found it interesting as I believe Philly is actually middle of the pack in terms of total plays run this year. Philly is 1st overall in this ranking.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/pacestats2013

From their site -

"The concept of situation-neutral pace was introduced in Pro Football Prospectus 2005. The intent is to describe pace as dictated by each team's game plan or style of play, not pace that is situation-induced. The current definition discards plays when the score differential is greater than 10 points in the first half, plays when the score differential is greater than 8 points in the 3rd quarter, plays in the 4th quarter or overtime, and plays in the last five minutes of the first half."

 
2013 EOY offensive plays-

1 Denver Broncos 1156
2 New England Patriots 1138
3 Buffalo Bills 1116
4 Washington Redskins 1107
5 Detroit Lions 1102
6 Cincinnati Bengals 1097

7 Baltimore Ravens 1090
8 Houston Texans 1089
9 New Orleans Saints 1079
10 Cleveland Browns 1078
11 Green Bay Packers 1074
12 San Diego Chargers 1060
13 Philadelphia Eagles 1054

Avg Team 1040.7

14 Arizona Cardinals 1037
15 Tennessee Titans 1032
16 Kansas City Chiefs 1029
17 Atlanta Falcons 1024
18 Indianapolis Colts 1023
19 Pittsburgh Steelers 1023
20 New York Jets 1020
21 Jacksonville Jaguars 1020
22 Chicago Bears 1013
23 Minnesota Vikings 1013
24 Miami Dolphins 1001
25 Oakland Raiders 1000
26 Carolina Panthers 999

27 New York Giants 988
28 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 981
29 Seattle Seahawks 973
30 St. Louis Rams 968
31 San Francisco 49ers 961
32 Dallas Cowboys 957

Plays/Game average-

1 Denver 72.2
2 New England 71.1
3 Buffalo 69.8
4 Washington 69.2
5 Detroit 68.9
6 Cincinnati 68.6
7 Baltimore 68.1
8 Houston 68.1
9 New Orleans 67.4
10 Cleveland 67.4
11 Green Bay 67.1
12 San Diego 66.2
13 Philadelphia 65.9 1050 or more total plays pacing.

14 Arizona 64.8
15 Tennessee 64.5
16 Kansas City 64.2
17 Atlanta 64.0
18 Indianapolis 63.9
19 Pittsburgh 63.9
20 NY Jets 63.8
21 Jacksonville 63.8
22 Chicago 63.3
23 Minnesota 63.3
24 Oakland 62.6
25 Carolina 62.5
26 Miami 62.5 1000 or more total plays pacing.

27 NY Giants 61.8
28 Tampa Bay 61.3
29 Seattle 60.8
30 St Louis 60.5
31 San Francisco 60.1
32 Dallas 59.8

Rushing attempts/game by team-

1 Buffalo 34.1
2 Seattle 31.8
3 San Francisco 31.6
4 Philadelphia 31.2
5 NY Jets 30.8
6 San Diego 30.4
7 Carolina 30.2
8 Cincinnati 30.1 480ra pacing

9 New England 29.4
10 Tennessee 28.9
11 Denver 28.8
12 Green Bay 28.7
13 Washington 28.3
14 Detroit 27.8
15 Kansas City 27.6
16 Oakland 27.3
17 St Louis 26.6
18 Baltimore 26.4
19 Minnesota 26.4
20 Arizona 26.4
21 Tampa Bay 26.2
22 Houston 25.9
23 Indianapolis 25.6
24 Chicago 25.2 400ra pacing

25 Pittsburgh 24.6
26 New Orleans 24.4
27 NY Giants 23.8
28 Jacksonville 23.6
29 Cleveland 21.8
30 Miami 21.8
31 Dallas 21.0
32 Atlanta 20.1
Atlanta, Cleveland and Dallas were all teams I expected to run much more than they did. I was incredibly wrong about Trent Richardson, Norv Turner and the Browns offense in 2013. This along with Steven Jackson's injury were the main blunders for me in 2013. This accounts for much of why the total rushing plays fell short of what I projected prior to the season. Overall I under estimated how much teams would continue to pass the ball. 8 of these teams had less that 400 total rushing attempts. That is 25% of the league.

Passing attempts per game by team-

1 Cleveland 42.6
2 Denver 42.2
3 Atlanta 41.2
4 New Orleans 40.7
5 Detroit 39.6
6 Houston 39.6
7 New England 39.2
8 Baltimore 38.7
9 Washington 38.2 600pa pacing

10 Miami 37.1
11 Jacksonville 37.0
12 Cincinnati 36.7
13 Pittsburgh 36.6
14 Dallas 36.6
15 Indianapolis 36.4
16 Chicago 36.2
17 Arizona 35.9
18 Green Bay 35.6
19 NY Giants 35.4
20 Minnesota 34.1
21 Kansas City 34.1
22 San Diego 34.0
23 Tennessee 33.3
24 Buffalo 32.6
25 Oakland 32.4
26 Tampa Bay 32.1 500pa pacing

27 Philadelphia 31.8
28 St Louis 31.6
29 NY Jets 30.0
30 Carolina 29.6
31 Seattle 26.2
32 San Francisco 26.1

Again Cleveland completely threw me off. Lombardi trading away Richardson and the team completely flipping to a pass all the time type of offense is not what I was expecting out of Norv nor was it what they were saying they would do all off season. There were clues about this I think in preseason, how they were running the offense. But I got completely suckered by their talk last season. I forgot this is Cleveland.

The Jets seem to fit the criteria we were discussing as far as a run heavy up tempo offense.

I think the Rams may have thrown quite a bit more than they did had Bradford stayed healthy. I am expecting a bit more balance next season and not as much 2TE. But it is very early.

The Eagles certainly did increase their rushing attempts/game from last season, but at the expense of passing plays and total plays. So this somewhat confirms what I was saying about the rushing plays taking more time. Even if they get the ball right to the ref and line up right away again. Also the inefficiency of the QB play at times.

Hats off to the Bills. In an otherwise not very good season they did manage the 3rd most plays on offense with a rookie QB and worse when he was injured.
 
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Hats off to the Bills. In an otherwise not very good season they did manage the 3rd most plays on offense with a rookie QB and worse when he was injured.


I agree on Buffalo - that's Doug Marrone, he did that at Syracuse too. They had a pretty decent year.

Spiller disappointed and you know what if he can't stay healthy what do they do there? Because that's a pretty good system they have there, they should stick with it.
 
Hats off to the Bills. In an otherwise not very good season they did manage the 3rd most plays on offense with a rookie QB and worse when he was injured.


I agree on Buffalo - that's Doug Marrone, he did that at Syracuse too. They had a pretty decent year.

Spiller disappointed and you know what if he can't stay healthy what do they do there? Because that's a pretty good system they have there, they should stick with it.
I am actually expecting very big things for Spiller if he can manage to stay healthy in 2014.

Jackson is old. Very interested in any other RB the Bills add during free agency or the draft.

 

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