Which Players get too much love on this board? (1 Viewer)

[Max Power]

This is a great site for football insight. I love coming here to see what posters have to say about some of the lesser known players. Having a good knowledge of sleepers who are off the beaten path goes a long way in my book, and I think most agree.

I just recently had a dynasty startup draft and I know several owners in the league visit this board on a regular basis. There were two picks in the draft that both stood out to me as someone buying into hype from this board.

Rd 11 - Michael Bush. I just don't understand this one at all. The guy is currently #4 on the depth chart. Maybe #3 once Lamont gets cut. Fargas has shown he can be a solid back and the team just used the #4 overall on a RB. So where is Bush's value?

Rd 15 - Mike Walker. The starting WR's in Jacksonville are only moderatly rosterable at this point. Yet Walker has breakout potential? I'm not even sure where he is on the depth chart. WR4? 5? 6? a backup WR on a very run heavy team is a good pick why?

Granted I know Dynasty rosters are built to be able to grab and stash a guy, but I dont get the love for these two. I can't read a OAK RB or JAX WR thread without seeing both of these guys routinly touted on this board.

I am curious to hear what other players some here think are being overrated by this board/community.

 

[fsufan]

KJ in dynasty leagues

 

[EBF]

MB3

He's a good player, but he's not an elite dynasty back. He'll lose touches to Felix and he could be in for a dropoff if Owens breaks down and the Dallas offense hits the wall. I don't think he's a guy you can build an FF team around.

 

[Blackjacks]

Larry "freaking" Johnson

 

[PranksterJD]

Michael Turner, and I'm part of it. ( though its kinda died off recently )

I've had this guy rostered in as many leagues as possible for 2 years now, waiting for right now, when people think he's going to throw up top RB numbers. I believe he's talented enough for a starting job, but this was one of the worst he could get IMO. Combine a terrible offensive line with "the highest YPC in NFL history" or whatever as a complementary back.... this guy's a 800/5 season waiting to happen.

 

[simmonjm]

MB3 He's a good player, but he's not an elite dynasty back. He'll lose touches to Felix and he could be in for a dropoff if Owens breaks down and the Dallas offense hits the wall. I don't think he's a guy you can build an FF team around.

This is a common misconception. Last year the Dallas did in fact struggle when Owens went down but everyone forgets that Romo was dealing with a thumb injury that affected his throwing velocity and accuracy. Even without Owens I think this Dallas is top 5 in the NFC.

 

[Todem]

MB3

He's a good player, but he's not an elite dynasty back. He'll lose touches to Felix and he could be in for a dropoff if Owens breaks down and the Dallas offense hits the wall. I don't think he's a guy you can build an FF team around.

This is a common misconception. Last year the Dallas did in fact struggle when Owens went down but everyone forgets that Romo was dealing with a thumb injury that affected his throwing velocity and accuracy. Even without Owens I think this Dallas is top 5 in the NFC.

Whoa...so who is going to catch 15 plus TD's? Owens is an elite big time player and if he is not in the mix Dallas as an offense will have the vertical game disappear as well as any hope of a super bowl berth. Are you serious?

 

[Chachi]

Andre Johnson being touted top 5. Best finish ever 18th. Ya, ya, ya, well if Kijana Carter didn't have injuries he'd have been great too.

 

[Chachi]

Larry "freaking" Johnson

Not sure if common comments like "He sucks" "He blows" "He is over-rated" "He's a bum" qualify as being over-rated, he seems to be one of the most dissed players in recent memory.

 

[FUBAR]

MB3

He's a good player, but he's not an elite dynasty back. He'll lose touches to Felix and he could be in for a dropoff if Owens breaks down and the Dallas offense hits the wall. I don't think he's a guy you can build an FF team around.

This is a common misconception. Last year the Dallas did in fact struggle when Owens went down but everyone forgets that Romo was dealing with a thumb injury that affected his throwing velocity and accuracy. Even without Owens I think this Dallas is top 5 in the NFC.

Whoa...so who is going to catch 15 plus TD's? Owens is an elite big time player and if he is not in the mix Dallas as an offense will have the vertical game disappear as well as any hope of a super bowl berth. Are you serious?

I wouldn't be so concerned about the 15 TDs as I would be the simple fact that outside of TO, Dallas lacks deep threats. Sure, Witten and MB3 are good players, but outside of San Diego and KC, has any team been a top 5 offense without WR threats? Plus they aren't as good as LT/Gates or Priest/LJ/Gonzo. Barber is the most overrated player around here, even if he is a good back.

 

[EBF]

I also think part of the problem with MB3 is that people have been too quick to discount the presence of Felix Jones. Consider the fact that Willie Parker's value plummeted when Pittsburgh drafted Mendenhall whereas Barber's held steady after Dallas drafted Felix. There are obvious reasons for that since MB3 has been successful in a RBBC in the past, but a first round RB is nothing to scoff at. I think Felix is better than Julius was and I think he has a chance to carve out a pretty big role.

 

[Our Gang]

brandon marshall

 

[Blackjacks]

Larry "freaking" Johnson

Not sure if common comments like "He sucks" "He blows" "He is over-rated" "He's a bum" qualify as being over-rated, he seems to be one of the most dissed players in recent memory.

This is kind of a joke from another thread. Sorry for not mentioning that. I don't like him but I wouldn't say he is pimped the much on this board.I love S-Jax and I think he will have a good year but for people putting him about #3 or #4 when he has had one injury free season out of three being the starterand one top ten finish as well out of three years being the starter...well I think it might be alittle high..

 

[stanmarino13]

I kinda think Adrian Peterson is over valued. When has he finished a whole football season even in college? Injuries are tough to predict, except maybe Adrian Peterson? I guess thats a bit over the top, but still i think it should temper some of the expectations everyone has for him...He is a talent thats for sure.

 

[cstu]

Andre Johnson being touted top 5. Best finish ever 18th. Ya, ya, ya, well if Kijana Carter didn't have injuries he'd have been great too.

That's who I came here to post. I love his talent, but I don't think he's ever lived up to his ADP.

 

[cstu]

I kinda think Adrian Peterson is over valued. When has he finished a whole football season even in college? Injuries are tough to predict, except maybe Adrian Peterson? I guess thats a bit over the top, but still i think it should temper some of the expectations everyone has for him...He is a talent thats for sure.

He's a PPG machine, so he's worth the risk that he gets hurt.

 

[cstu]

brandon marshall

102/1325/7 in his 2nd year? Sure, there are a lot of questions about him right now but his ADP is reflecting that.

 

[sfl49er]

MB3

He's a good player, but he's not an elite dynasty back. He'll lose touches to Felix and he could be in for a dropoff if Owens breaks down and the Dallas offense hits the wall. I don't think he's a guy you can build an FF team around.

This is a common misconception. Last year the Dallas did in fact struggle when Owens went down but everyone forgets that Romo was dealing with a thumb injury that affected his throwing velocity and accuracy. Even without Owens I think this Dallas is top 5 in the NFC.

Whoa...so who is going to catch 15 plus TD's? Owens is an elite big time player and if he is not in the mix Dallas as an offense will have the vertical game disappear as well as any hope of a super bowl berth. Are you serious?

I wouldn't be so concerned about the 15 TDs as I would be the simple fact that outside of TO, Dallas lacks deep threats. Sure, Witten and MB3 are good players, but outside of San Diego and KC, has any team been a top 5 offense without WR threats? Plus they aren't as good as LT/Gates or Priest/LJ/Gonzo. Barber is the most overrated player around here, even if he is a good back.

good back? No matter who YOUR favorite team is, I KNOW you would be happy if Barber was your runningback

 

[massraider]

As a listener of The Audible, let me submit:

Lorenzo Booker.

 

[valhallan]

K. Smith.. I just don't see him being a 1,000 yard back.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Ahmad Bradshaw.

 

[Cecil Lammey]

As a listener of The Audible, let me submit:Lorenzo Booker.

I knew someone would say that! Lorenzo's awesome!

 

[gianmarco]

Ahmad Bradshaw.

Amen.Bradshaw and Marshall are the 2 that came to mind immediately. A couple others that get more love than general non-FBG fantasy guys:Big BenS. HolmesRonnie BrownSidney Rice

 

[laxiepoo]

I think Gore gets way too much love - SF is still going to have it's major offensive woes. Didn't SF draft a RB as well who might eat some touches? Plus a shaky QB, new offensive guru in Martz, and possible injury concerns for Gore, and I just don't see as much upside here as everyone else.

 

[Chachi]

Didn't SF draft a RB as well who might eat some touches?

 

[The Man with the Plan]

Donald Driver

 

[greyone]

Brandon Marshall is sooooo 2007.

Driver has been getting love.

Jonathan Stewart. yay o nay?

 

[SSOG]

MB3

He's a good player, but he's not an elite dynasty back. He'll lose touches to Felix and he could be in for a dropoff if Owens breaks down and the Dallas offense hits the wall. I don't think he's a guy you can build an FF team around.

This is a common misconception. Last year the Dallas did in fact struggle when Owens went down but everyone forgets that Romo was dealing with a thumb injury that affected his throwing velocity and accuracy. Even without Owens I think this Dallas is top 5 in the NFC.

Whoa...so who is going to catch 15 plus TD's? Owens is an elite big time player and if he is not in the mix Dallas as an offense will have the vertical game disappear as well as any hope of a super bowl berth. Are you serious?

I wouldn't be so concerned about the 15 TDs as I would be the simple fact that outside of TO, Dallas lacks deep threats. Sure, Witten and MB3 are good players, but outside of San Diego and KC, has any team been a top 5 offense without WR threats? Plus they aren't as good as LT/Gates or Priest/LJ/Gonzo. Barber is the most overrated player around here, even if he is a good back.

How quickly everyone forgets Terry Glenn.

Ahmad Bradshaw.

Amen.Bradshaw and Marshall are the 2 that came to mind immediately.

A couple others that get more love than general non-FBG fantasy guys:

Big Ben

S. Holmes

Ronnie Brown

Sidney Rice

Disagreed on Rooflesburger and Holmes. Both are sick talents.My pick for most overrated is Terrell Owens in a huge way. Over the next 5 seasons, Terrell Owens could match the best season any WR at his age has ever had in NFL history and he still wouldn't justify his current rankings (either redraft OR dynasty).

 

[FUBAR]

MB3

He's a good player, but he's not an elite dynasty back. He'll lose touches to Felix and he could be in for a dropoff if Owens breaks down and the Dallas offense hits the wall. I don't think he's a guy you can build an FF team around.

This is a common misconception. Last year the Dallas did in fact struggle when Owens went down but everyone forgets that Romo was dealing with a thumb injury that affected his throwing velocity and accuracy. Even without Owens I think this Dallas is top 5 in the NFC.

Whoa...so who is going to catch 15 plus TD's? Owens is an elite big time player and if he is not in the mix Dallas as an offense will have the vertical game disappear as well as any hope of a super bowl berth. Are you serious?

I wouldn't be so concerned about the 15 TDs as I would be the simple fact that outside of TO, Dallas lacks deep threats. Sure, Witten and MB3 are good players, but outside of San Diego and KC, has any team been a top 5 offense without WR threats? Plus they aren't as good as LT/Gates or Priest/LJ/Gonzo. Barber is the most overrated player around here, even if he is a good back.

How quickly everyone forgets Terry Glenn.

I haven't forgotten Glenn, but is he healthy enough to make a difference this year? BTW, if you want a guy whose been overrated, there's your guy (although he isn't right now, because nobody thinks he's worth squat today). 12 year career, 3 of those he actually played 16 games, 4 of which he went over 1,000 yards.

 

[SSOG]

I haven't forgotten Glenn, but is he healthy enough to make a difference this year? BTW, if you want a guy whose been overrated, there's your guy (although he isn't right now, because nobody thinks he's worth squat today). 12 year career, 3 of those he actually played 16 games, 4 of which he went over 1,000 yards.

Glenn was never thought highly of, though. I would argue that he's been underrated for a long time. Outside of a blip in Green Bay, when Glenn's been healthy, he's been awesome. He's produced like an elite WR (not necessarily fantasy, but reality) and is rarely viewed as one.

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

Kevin Jones and Michael Bush. I think both are borderline worthless. Many love these guys despite their mediocre talents and propensity for injury.

 

[fsufan]

As a listener of The Audible, let me submit:Lorenzo Booker.

I knew someone would say that! Lorenzo's awesome!

watched Booker for 4 years at FSU. I never say anything that made me feel he was an every down NFL RB

 

[IndyHavoc]

MB3 He's a good player, but he's not an elite dynasty back. He'll lose touches to Felix and he could be in for a dropoff if Owens breaks down and the Dallas offense hits the wall. I don't think he's a guy you can build an FF team around.

Was going to post the same thing. We'll see wrong/right w/n the first 4 weeks of the season, imo.

 

[Ripleys]

As a listener of The Audible, let me submit:Lorenzo Booker.

I knew someone would say that! Lorenzo's awesome!

watched Booker for 4 years at FSU. I never say anything that made me feel he was an every down NFL RB

Maybe, but if you watched him at UNC, Willie Parker never showed he deserved to play in the league either. Just something to think about.

 

[fsufan]

As a listener of The Audible, let me submit:Lorenzo Booker.

I knew someone would say that! Lorenzo's awesome!

watched Booker for 4 years at FSU. I never say anything that made me feel he was an every down NFL RB

Maybe, but if you watched him at UNC, Willie Parker never showed he deserved to play in the league either. Just something to think about.

never said deserved, just not a featured/every down back. good back up, change of pace, special teams playerat FSU he danced to much and could not run between the tackles

 

[bostonfred]

Ryan Grant

 

[Sabertooth]

Larry "freaking" Johnson

Not sure if common comments like "He sucks" "He blows" "He is over-rated" "He's a bum" qualify as being over-rated, he seems to be one of the most dissed players in recent memory.

This is kind of a joke from another thread. Sorry for not mentioning that. I don't like him but I wouldn't say he is pimped the much on this board.I love S-Jax and I think he will have a good year but for people putting him about #3 or #4 when he has had one injury free season out of three being the starterand one top ten finish as well out of three years being the starter...well I think it might be alittle high..

So basically another way to say this is that when he's been healthy, he's never finished outside of the top 10 right? It cuts both ways, and he is a beast. When I project, I do it for a 16 game season. I then go back through and try to do a few adjustments based on my perceived risk of injury for a player. But there is no question that Jackson deserves to be near the top somewhere.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

MB3 He's a good player, but he's not an elite dynasty back. He'll lose touches to Felix and he could be in for a dropoff if Owens breaks down and the Dallas offense hits the wall. I don't think he's a guy you can build an FF team around.

You think he's going to lose touches from last year? He wasn't even the starter last year and now as the starter you think he's going to lose touches? All the guy has to do is do what he's been doing and he'll be worth his draft pick, somewhere around 6, 7, or 8. It will take an injury to MB3 for him not to be in the top 8 Rb's this year and if that were to happen to any back, that would certainly hurt a fantasy team losing your 1st round pick.

 

[QUEZILLA]

Forte

 

[FantasyTrader]

MB3

He's a good player, but he's not an elite dynasty back. He'll lose touches to Felix and he could be in for a dropoff if Owens breaks down and the Dallas offense hits the wall. I don't think he's a guy you can build an FF team around.

This is a common misconception. Last year the Dallas did in fact struggle when Owens went down but everyone forgets that Romo was dealing with a thumb injury that affected his throwing velocity and accuracy. Even without Owens I think this Dallas is top 5 in the NFC.

Whoa...so who is going to catch 15 plus TD's? Owens is an elite big time player and if he is not in the mix Dallas as an offense will have the vertical game disappear as well as any hope of a super bowl berth. Are you serious?

I wouldn't be so concerned about the 15 TDs as I would be the simple fact that outside of TO, Dallas lacks deep threats. Sure, Witten and MB3 are good players, but outside of San Diego and KC, has any team been a top 5 offense without WR threats? Plus they aren't as good as LT/Gates or Priest/LJ/Gonzo. Barber is the most overrated player around here, even if he is a good back.

How quickly everyone forgets Terry Glenn.

Ahmad Bradshaw.

Amen.Bradshaw and Marshall are the 2 that came to mind immediately.

A couple others that get more love than general non-FBG fantasy guys:

Big Ben

S. Holmes

Ronnie Brown

Sidney Rice

Disagreed on Rooflesburger and Holmes. Both are sick talents.My pick for most overrated is Terrell Owens in a huge way. Over the next 5 seasons, Terrell Owens could match the best season any WR at his age has ever had in NFL history and he still wouldn't justify his current rankings (either redraft OR dynasty).

That just couldn't be any more wrong (at least in my personal experience). I've been trying to peddle TO in two different dynasties for a buffalo nickle all offseason. Even the worst owners in my league aren't willing to pay what Owens would be worth to me; even if he just has ONE MORE 8+ TD season in him. ***Which I'll freely admit he might NOT have left in him.

 

[greenf7cat]

Lets see,

It's either MJD or J. Norwood,

or maybe MJD or J. Norwood,

or lets try, MJD or J. Norwood.

I never saw anything like it in my life... Career backups get more love on this board than half of the starting RB's in the NFL

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Lets see,It's either MJD or J. Norwood,or maybe MJD or J. Norwood,or lets try, MJD or J. Norwood.I never saw anything like it in my life... Career backups get more love on this board than half of the starting RB's in the NFL

I wouldn't call MJD a career backup. You'd have to add the king of the career backups and that's Michael Turner, although since he's finally getting his chance I don't see all the Burner Turner advocates as much. I'm going to have to dig up some of these old threads where everyone was claiming Turner is almost as good as Lt2.

 

[dmac37]

In the FBG world two players that come to mind, A. Bradshaw and Sydney Rice. I own both, picked up them up for nothing last year .

Bradshaw- I can't get over the fact that he was the better NYG RB during the super bowl run. With that said he may never be the go to RB with the Giants, behind Jacobs and #1B in a RBBC at best.

Rice- has shown flashes of stardom, but will the Vikings throw the ball enough to feed both Berrian and Rice.

 

[greenf7cat]

Lets see,

It's either MJD or J. Norwood,

or maybe MJD or J. Norwood,

or lets try, MJD or J. Norwood.

I never saw anything like it in my life... Career backups get more love on this board than half of the starting RB's in the NFL

I wouldn't call MJD a career backup. You'd have to add the king of the career backups and that's Michael Turner, although since he's finally getting his chance I don't see all the Burner Turner advocates as much. I'm going to have to dig up some of these old threads where everyone was claiming Turner is almost as good as Lt2.

There is going to be a billion of them on here somewhere!!!

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

In the FBG world two players that come to mind, A. Bradshaw and Sydney Rice. I own both, picked up them up for nothing last year . Bradshaw- I can't get over the fact that he was the better NYG RB during the super bowl run. With that said he may never be the go to RB with the Giants, behind Jacobs and #1B in a RBBC at best.Rice- has shown flashes of stardom, but will the Vikings throw the ball enough to feed both Berrian and Rice.

I'd agree with Sydney Rice. I think this selection is kind of what the thread is talking about. I see some nominees like Brandon Marshall.....how does he get too much hype, that guy was a stud last year and should be treated like a young stud.Sydney Rice hasn't done squat. I didn't see a lot of Sydney Rice last year and I saw everyone talking him up on this board, I felt like I somehow must have missed something huge. I went and checked his stats and I was amazed at how much he's talked about compared to what he has produced. He may turn out to be something special and I will say gratz to those who sniffed this guy out, but I promise you it won't be me thumping my chest because I'm not on that bandwagon.

 

[SSOG]

That just couldn't be any more wrong (at least in my personal experience). I've been trying to peddle TO in two different dynasties for a buffalo nickle all offseason. Even the worst owners in my league aren't willing to pay what Owens would be worth to me; even if he just has ONE MORE 8+ TD season in him. ***Which I'll freely admit he might NOT have left in him.

I've had several owners contact me saying they were looking to acquire a top-12 dynasty WR. In all cases, the owner said they valued Owens as such. I wound up dealing him for Gates straight up. There are definitely a lot of owners out there who really do value him that highly.

 

[SSOG]

Lets see,It's either MJD or J. Norwood,or maybe MJD or J. Norwood,or lets try, MJD or J. Norwood.I never saw anything like it in my life... Career backups get more love on this board than half of the starting RB's in the NFL

In MJD's case, if he gets more love than half of the starting RBs in the NFL, it's because he outproduces two thirds of the starting RBs in the NFL.

 

[FantasyTrader]

That just couldn't be any more wrong (at least in my personal experience). I've been trying to peddle TO in two different dynasties for a buffalo nickle all offseason. Even the worst owners in my league aren't willing to pay what Owens would be worth to me; even if he just has ONE MORE 8+ TD season in him. ***Which I'll freely admit he might NOT have left in him.

I've had several owners contact me saying they were looking to acquire a top-12 dynasty WR. In all cases, the owner said they valued Owens as such. I wound up dealing him for Gates straight up. There are definitely a lot of owners out there who really do value him that highly.

For Gates STRAIGHT UP!?!? Wow. That just floors me. The best I've been able to do is a high 3rd round rookie pick. SSOG - you mentioned earlier, T.O could put up career best numbers the next 5 years for a WR his age and he still wouldn't be worth his current value. Do you happen to have those numbers handy? (Even just the career best #'s for a 34 and 35 yo WR would be good) I'm in the middle of writing an article right now and touching on the pitfalls of T.O. with a high 2nd round pick and I have a feeling they'd help back me up.

 

[greenf7cat]

Lets see,It's either MJD or J. Norwood,or maybe MJD or J. Norwood,or lets try, MJD or J. Norwood.I never saw anything like it in my life... Career backups get more love on this board than half of the starting RB's in the NFL

In MJD's case, if he gets more love than half of the starting RBs in the NFL, it's because he outproduces two thirds of the starting RBs in the NFL.

two thirds huh? wow

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

some guy named Mike Walker in Jacksonville