Which Players get too much love on this board? (1 Viewer)

[David Yudkin]

I stand by that comment... easily 2/3 of the starting QB's in this league could have produced similar numbers and wins. How good would we be calling Garrard if he played in Detroit, STL, or Miami last year? Until he is used as more than a game manager type QB, the guy is average in my eyes.

Only one player in the history of the NFL has had an INT% lower than Garrard's last year with at least 200 attempts. If he's a game manager, then he's the best game manager football has ever seen, which in and of itself makes him above-average. And this is ignoring his 100+ passer rating, and his 7.7 yards per attempt- 7th in the NFL. Hardly the statistic of a "game manager", I'd say. And his 12.1 yards per completion was FOURTH in the NFL, which meant he was throwing deep a higher percentage of the time than almost anyone. Pretty odd for a game manager, don't you think? This despite the fact that his leading receivers were Ernest Wilford, Dennis Northcutt, Maurice Jones-Drew, and Reggie Williams, in that order?Average? Please.Here were the top 8 players in yards per completion, in order: Derek Anderson, Tony Romo, Kurt Warner, Tom Brady, David Garrard, Peyton Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Jay Cutler. Oh yeah, that's the type of company that you expect to find a "game manager" in alright.

I'm not sure we can conclude a whole lot either way from a guy with one season of 325 passing attempts. In the past 10 years, there were sever other guys with the same or better ypa numbers with 300-350 attempts including Chris Chandler, Jeff George, Brian Griese, and Steve Beurelein.Here were Garrard's number prior to 2007 . . .58% completion %, 3.3 TD%, 2.4 INT%, 6.57 Y/A over 539 attempts (compared to 325 attempts in 2007)Again, I'm not raining on Garrard's parade, but his season last year was not a full season and not on par with his prior numbers. I'll believe he is the real thing with another solid season, but I'm not convinced yet.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I stand by that comment... easily 2/3 of the starting QB's in this league could have produced similar numbers and wins. How good would we be calling Garrard if he played in Detroit, STL, or Miami last year? Until he is used as more than a game manager type QB, the guy is average in my eyes.

Only one player in the history of the NFL has had an INT% lower than Garrard's last year with at least 200 attempts. If he's a game manager, then he's the best game manager football has ever seen, which in and of itself makes him above-average. And this is ignoring his 100+ passer rating, and his 7.7 yards per attempt- 7th in the NFL. Hardly the statistic of a "game manager", I'd say. And his 12.1 yards per completion was FOURTH in the NFL, which meant he was throwing deep a higher percentage of the time than almost anyone. Pretty odd for a game manager, don't you think? This despite the fact that his leading receivers were Ernest Wilford, Dennis Northcutt, Maurice Jones-Drew, and Reggie Williams, in that order?Average? Please.Here were the top 8 players in yards per completion, in order: Derek Anderson, Tony Romo, Kurt Warner, Tom Brady, David Garrard, Peyton Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Jay Cutler. Oh yeah, that's the type of company that you expect to find a "game manager" in alright.

I'm not sure we can conclude a whole lot either way from a guy with one season of 325 passing attempts. In the past 10 years, there were sever other guys with the same or better ypa numbers with 300-350 attempts including Chris Chandler, Jeff George, Brian Griese, and Steve Beurelein.Here were Garrard's number prior to 2007 . . .58% completion %, 3.3 TD%, 2.4 INT%, 6.57 Y/A over 539 attempts (compared to 325 attempts in 2007)Again, I'm not raining on Garrard's parade, but his season last year was not a full season and not on par with his prior numbers. I'll believe he is the real thing with another solid season, but I'm not convinced yet.

Take a look at his numbers in the postseason, when reality set in and the numbers went back towards normal INT %.If you put the ball in the air often enough, things will happen - tipped passes, WRs falling down, etc. He was very fortunate to have a streak without an INT that lasted most of the season, but it cannot persist.

 

[FantasyTrader]

I stand by that comment... easily 2/3 of the starting QB's in this league could have produced similar numbers and wins. How good would we be calling Garrard if he played in Detroit, STL, or Miami last year? Until he is used as more than a game manager type QB, the guy is average in my eyes.

Only one player in the history of the NFL has had an INT% lower than Garrard's last year with at least 200 attempts. If he's a game manager, then he's the best game manager football has ever seen, which in and of itself makes him above-average. And this is ignoring his 100+ passer rating, and his 7.7 yards per attempt- 7th in the NFL. Hardly the statistic of a "game manager", I'd say. And his 12.1 yards per completion was FOURTH in the NFL, which meant he was throwing deep a higher percentage of the time than almost anyone. Pretty odd for a game manager, don't you think? This despite the fact that his leading receivers were Ernest Wilford, Dennis Northcutt, Maurice Jones-Drew, and Reggie Williams, in that order?Average? Please.Here were the top 8 players in yards per completion, in order: Derek Anderson, Tony Romo, Kurt Warner, Tom Brady, David Garrard, Peyton Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Jay Cutler. Oh yeah, that's the type of company that you expect to find a "game manager" in alright.

I'm not sure we can conclude a whole lot either way from a guy with one season of 325 passing attempts. In the past 10 years, there were sever other guys with the same or better ypa numbers with 300-350 attempts including Chris Chandler, Jeff George, Brian Griese, and Steve Beurelein.Here were Garrard's number prior to 2007 . . .58% completion %, 3.3 TD%, 2.4 INT%, 6.57 Y/A over 539 attempts (compared to 325 attempts in 2007)Again, I'm not raining on Garrard's parade, but his season last year was not a full season and not on par with his prior numbers. I'll believe he is the real thing with another solid season, but I'm not convinced yet.

Take a look at his numbers in the postseason, when reality set in and the numbers went back towards normal INT %.If you put the ball in the air often enough, things will happen - tipped passes, WRs falling down, etc. He was very fortunate to have a streak without an INT that lasted most of the season, but it cannot persist.

Let me get this straight. Garrard's 54 attempts in the postseason against the Steelers and Pats, (who were 3rd & 6th in passing yards allowed respectively) were reality? NOT his 325 attempts during the regular season.I agree that he went on an inexplicably long INT-free streak, but I don't see how we're leaping all the way to the other extreme and saying that his 3 INT's in 54 attempts vs. two top 10 pass D's is more telling.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I stand by that comment... easily 2/3 of the starting QB's in this league could have produced similar numbers and wins. How good would we be calling Garrard if he played in Detroit, STL, or Miami last year? Until he is used as more than a game manager type QB, the guy is average in my eyes.

Only one player in the history of the NFL has had an INT% lower than Garrard's last year with at least 200 attempts. If he's a game manager, then he's the best game manager football has ever seen, which in and of itself makes him above-average. And this is ignoring his 100+ passer rating, and his 7.7 yards per attempt- 7th in the NFL. Hardly the statistic of a "game manager", I'd say. And his 12.1 yards per completion was FOURTH in the NFL, which meant he was throwing deep a higher percentage of the time than almost anyone. Pretty odd for a game manager, don't you think? This despite the fact that his leading receivers were Ernest Wilford, Dennis Northcutt, Maurice Jones-Drew, and Reggie Williams, in that order?Average? Please.Here were the top 8 players in yards per completion, in order: Derek Anderson, Tony Romo, Kurt Warner, Tom Brady, David Garrard, Peyton Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Jay Cutler. Oh yeah, that's the type of company that you expect to find a "game manager" in alright.

I'm not sure we can conclude a whole lot either way from a guy with one season of 325 passing attempts. In the past 10 years, there were sever other guys with the same or better ypa numbers with 300-350 attempts including Chris Chandler, Jeff George, Brian Griese, and Steve Beurelein.Here were Garrard's number prior to 2007 . . .58% completion %, 3.3 TD%, 2.4 INT%, 6.57 Y/A over 539 attempts (compared to 325 attempts in 2007)Again, I'm not raining on Garrard's parade, but his season last year was not a full season and not on par with his prior numbers. I'll believe he is the real thing with another solid season, but I'm not convinced yet.

Take a look at his numbers in the postseason, when reality set in and the numbers went back towards normal INT %.If you put the ball in the air often enough, things will happen - tipped passes, WRs falling down, etc. He was very fortunate to have a streak without an INT that lasted most of the season, but it cannot persist.

Let me get this straight. Garrard's 54 attempts in the postseason against the Steelers and Pats, (who were 3rd & 6th in passing yards allowed respectively) were reality? NOT his 325 attempts during the regular season.I agree that he went on an inexplicably long INT-free streak, but I don't see how we're leaping all the way to the other extreme and saying that his 3 INT's in 54 attempts vs. two top 10 pass D's is more telling.

Sorry - working my way through many threads.I think you missed my point due to my brevity. A small sample size isn't indicative of the right answer.He had a great run, then a bad run in the playoffs.The correct answer as to 2008 expectations? Between those two extremes. About 3-4% of his passes will get picked off.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Agreed. We're on the same page then. Your use of the word "reality" threw me off is all.

 

[SSOG]

I'm not sure we can conclude a whole lot either way from a guy with one season of 325 passing attempts. In the past 10 years, there were sever other guys with the same or better ypa numbers with 300-350 attempts including Chris Chandler, Jeff George, Brian Griese, and Steve Beurelein.Here were Garrard's number prior to 2007 . . .58% completion %, 3.3 TD%, 2.4 INT%, 6.57 Y/A over 539 attempts (compared to 325 attempts in 2007)Again, I'm not raining on Garrard's parade, but his season last year was not a full season and not on par with his prior numbers. I'll believe he is the real thing with another solid season, but I'm not convinced yet.

In my opinion, it's one thing to not be sold on David Garrard because you don't have a large enough body of evidence to work with. It's another thing entirely to not be sold in David Garrard because he's a "game manager". When you rank 4th in the league in yards per completion, you are not a "game manager".Personally, I discount Garrard's numbers last year some because there's no history of success there... but I discount his numbers prior to last year even more, because he wasn't even an NFL starter at that point. Obviously David Garrard was a better player last year than he was 3 years ago, because he got the starting nod last year and not 3 years ago. If I had to guess whether his numbers would fall closer to last year's average, or his averages before he got the starting nod, I'd lean towards last year's average. They might not remain at such a lofty level (because those were some ridiculously lofty numbers), but I'd say Garrard's production this year is more likely to fall on the high side of his career production than on the low side.

Sorry - working my way through many threads.I think you missed my point due to my brevity. A small sample size isn't indicative of the right answer.He had a great run, then a bad run in the playoffs.The correct answer as to 2008 expectations? Between those two extremes. About 3-4% of his passes will get picked off.

It's not just his int%, though. His yards per completion was awesome with sub-par WRs. His yards per attempt were awesome, and I'm a firm believer that yards per attempt are the biggest predictor of future success among young QBs. His QB rating was over 100- I can only think of one other first-year starting QB that can make that claim (Chad Pennington). The total package with David Garrard last year was stellar- all numbers, across the board. And like I said, it's not like he had a Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, or even a Laveranues Coles or Hines Ward to throw to.

 

[spec1alk]

I stand by that comment... easily 2/3 of the starting QB's in this league could have produced similar numbers and wins. How good would we be calling Garrard if he played in Detroit, STL, or Miami last year? Until he is used as more than a game manager type QB, the guy is average in my eyes.

Only one player in the history of the NFL has had an INT% lower than Garrard's last year with at least 200 attempts. If he's a game manager, then he's the best game manager football has ever seen, which in and of itself makes him above-average. And this is ignoring his 100+ passer rating, and his 7.7 yards per attempt- 7th in the NFL. Hardly the statistic of a "game manager", I'd say. And his 12.1 yards per completion was FOURTH in the NFL, which meant he was throwing deep a higher percentage of the time than almost anyone. Pretty odd for a game manager, don't you think? This despite the fact that his leading receivers were Ernest Wilford, Dennis Northcutt, Maurice Jones-Drew, and Reggie Williams, in that order?Average? Please.Here were the top 8 players in yards per completion, in order: Derek Anderson, Tony Romo, Kurt Warner, Tom Brady, David Garrard, Peyton Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Jay Cutler. Oh yeah, that's the type of company that you expect to find a "game manager" in alright.

While I agree Garrard is not likely to ever be a top 5 QB, throw for more than 25 TDs or 3,500 yds, his efficiency makes him a borderline QB1 for most teams. Unless you don't get penalized for picks.

 

[Couch Potato]

Rd 15 - Mike Walker. The starting WR's in Jacksonville are only moderatly rosterable at this point. Yet Walker has breakout potential? I'm not even sure where he is on the depth chart. WR4? 5? 6? a backup WR on a very run heavy team is a good pick why?

Granted I know Dynasty rosters are built to be able to grab and stash a guy, but I dont get the love for these two. I can't read a OAK RB or JAX WR thread without seeing both of these guys routinly touted on this board.

I am curious to hear what other players some here think are being overrated by this board/community.

The highlighted comments look like redraft comments. You said this was a dynasty draft. Gotta be visionary, gotta see value before it's obvious to the masses.When Walker is cranking out 80-1100-8 seasons beginning a couple years from now, that 15th round pick is going to look pretty cheap. Yes, he's going to be THAT good and he WILL be their go to guy once settled in a year or two from now.

I'm curious as to what makes Walker so special? Jacksonville is not the place I want to be rostering WRs. For now and the near future. Garrard is average at best. Reggie Williams in my opinion has a boatload of talent and yet is a waste in jax. What is going to make Walker different?15th round is way to early. The guy probably wont break into WR60 numbers for another 2-3 season and is more likely to see the waiver wire before getting a fantasy start. Most owners I know think they can wait on a guy, but when a roster spot (in shallower leagues) isn't producing any points for a year or so, the guy hits the wire.

And what makes him better than the similar WR's taken 3-5 rounds later?

If you haven't already missed the Mike Walker boat, be sure to get him while he's still relatively cheap. It won't last. That's a promise.Today from ESPN:

Jags WR Walker looking like a starter

July 31, 2008 4:39 PM

Posted by ESPN.com's Paul Kuharsky

Walker

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Jerry Porter is on the shelf after hamstring surgery and Reggie Williams is scheduled for a knee scope tomorrow.

There was already ample room for Mike Walker to make a big impression, but while two of the Jaguars' top receivers are out of action, Walker can further enhance his reputation as a tough receiver who doesn't drop anything.

"He reminds me of Anquan Boldin from Arizona," said veteran cornerback Drayton Florence, who jumped to Jacksonville as a free agent from San Diego this offseason. "Same body type, style of play, physical build, he's got great hands. Just if he could get over those few nagging injuries he's got, he could easily be the first- or second-leading receiver on this team."

Walker was a third-round choice out of Central Florida in 2007. He missed all of his rookie season after reinjuring his left knee in the preseason.

"I'm trying to do my part, trying to keep up with the ones and be consistent, make plays every day, just picking up the load," he said. "Those are two big-time receivers who are not out there right now."

But Walker could well be in line to start no matter what's going on around him, provided his knee holds up. Some observers are rating Porter and Walker as the best tandem the team's had since the good old days with Jimmy Smith and Keenan McCardell. If they are in the lineup, veteran Dennis Northcutt can be the slot receiver the team cast him as when he signed last year.

Walker's got the one trait coaches and quarterbacks might love above all else as a receiver: He doesn't drop balls.

"I was always taught the No. 1 thing, no matter if you mess up a route, if the ball is in the air, you've got to catch the ball, no matter what," he said. "That's what a receiver does. They say as long as you've got hands, you're always open. I pride myself on catching the ball."

 

[Max Power]

At least his situation is there now. I ragged on the guy for being the #4-5 WR, but here is his shot. It is still hard for me to picture a Jags WR with any significant fantasy value for a while now.

Serious question...will any of the bunch break the top 40?

 

[Couch Potato]

At least his situation is there now. I ragged on the guy for being the #4-5 WR, but here is his shot. It is still hard for me to picture a Jags WR with any significant fantasy value for a while now.Serious question...will any of the bunch break the top 40?

I never had a doubt Walker would crack the starting lineup sometime this year. If it happens to begin the year, that's a bonus.Hard to say if a Jag WR can be top-40 this year. But long term, and this was originally a dynasty matter, when people close to the situation are calling Walker another Jimmy Smith or Anquan Boldin, I'm paying attention. I'd say Walker is definitely top-40 in 2009. I gave you a 80-1100-8 stat, and while that's optimistic, that would be well up the rankings.I've been hyping this guy since January. I'm glad some of the mainstream media is beginning to see what those who have been watching closely have been seeing for awhile.CP

 

[Couch Potato]

What first caught my attention re Walker was that the UCF coaches were saying Walker was better than Brandon Marshall, who also went there and was there for some of the same time Walker was. Marshall was drafted in the 4th round due to the small school stigma and turned out great. Walker was drafted in the 3rd round due not only to the small school stigma but also the balky knee and the likelihood he'd not play his first year because of it. He was a bona fide 1st round talent if he had entered the NFL with a healthy knee. Once it looked like the knee issue was behind him, I was on board all the way.

 

[Max Power]

At least his situation is there now. I ragged on the guy for being the #4-5 WR, but here is his shot. It is still hard for me to picture a Jags WR with any significant fantasy value for a while now.

Serious question...will any of the bunch break the top 40?

I never had a doubt Walker would crack the starting lineup sometime this year. If it happens to begin the year, that's a bonus.Hard to say if a Jag WR can be top-40 this year. But long term, and this was originally a dynasty matter, when people close to the situation are calling Walker another Jimmy Smith or Anquan Boldin, I'm paying attention. I'd say Walker is definitely top-40 in 2009. I gave you a 80-1100-8 stat, and while that's optimistic, that would be well up the rankings.

I've been hyping this guy since January. I'm glad some of the mainstream media is beginning to see what those who have been watching closely have been seeing for awhile.

CP

Per RotoworldReggie Williams (knee surgery) says he's resumed running and could return to Jaguars practice next week.

Mike Walker and Troy Williamson failed to step up in Williams' absence, so he's still the favorite to start opposite Jerry Porter in Week 1 at Tennessee, assuming Williams is out there. His snaps may still be limited early on.

 

[Couch Potato]

At least his situation is there now. I ragged on the guy for being the #4-5 WR, but here is his shot. It is still hard for me to picture a Jags WR with any significant fantasy value for a while now.Serious question...will any of the bunch break the top 40?

I never had a doubt Walker would crack the starting lineup sometime this year. If it happens to begin the year, that's a bonus.Hard to say if a Jag WR can be top-40 this year. But long term, and this was originally a dynasty matter, when people close to the situation are calling Walker another Jimmy Smith or Anquan Boldin, I'm paying attention. I'd say Walker is definitely top-40 in 2009. I gave you a 80-1100-8 stat, and while that's optimistic, that would be well up the rankings.I've been hyping this guy since January. I'm glad some of the mainstream media is beginning to see what those who have been watching closely have been seeing for awhile.CP

I hope guys got on the Mike Walker bandwagon. Tonight was his coming out party.

 

[Max Power]

At least his situation is there now. I ragged on the guy for being the #4-5 WR, but here is his shot. It is still hard for me to picture a Jags WR with any significant fantasy value for a while now.Serious question...will any of the bunch break the top 40?

I never had a doubt Walker would crack the starting lineup sometime this year. If it happens to begin the year, that's a bonus.Hard to say if a Jag WR can be top-40 this year. But long term, and this was originally a dynasty matter, when people close to the situation are calling Walker another Jimmy Smith or Anquan Boldin, I'm paying attention. I'd say Walker is definitely top-40 in 2009. I gave you a 80-1100-8 stat, and while that's optimistic, that would be well up the rankings.I've been hyping this guy since January. I'm glad some of the mainstream media is beginning to see what those who have been watching closely have been seeing for awhile.CP

I hope guys got on the Mike Walker bandwagon. Tonight was his coming out party.

Hows the party going? 2 catches since? I have a feeling the guy will be seeing the waiver wire in some leagues this offseason

 

[Burning Sensation]

Andre Johnson being touted top 5. Best finish ever 18th. Ya, ya, ya, well if Kijana Carter didn't have injuries he'd have been great too.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Roddy White, and Im one of the engines driving the propaganda machine

For those of you hitching your wagon to him this year - enjoy.

I have.

 

[Max Power]

I'm not sure we can conclude a whole lot either way from a guy with one season of 325 passing attempts. In the past 10 years, there were sever other guys with the same or better ypa numbers with 300-350 attempts including Chris Chandler, Jeff George, Brian Griese, and Steve Beurelein.Here were Garrard's number prior to 2007 . . .58% completion %, 3.3 TD%, 2.4 INT%, 6.57 Y/A over 539 attempts (compared to 325 attempts in 2007)Again, I'm not raining on Garrard's parade, but his season last year was not a full season and not on par with his prior numbers. I'll believe he is the real thing with another solid season, but I'm not convinced yet.

In my opinion, it's one thing to not be sold on David Garrard because you don't have a large enough body of evidence to work with. It's another thing entirely to not be sold in David Garrard because he's a "game manager". When you rank 4th in the league in yards per completion, you are not a "game manager".Personally, I discount Garrard's numbers last year some because there's no history of success there... but I discount his numbers prior to last year even more, because he wasn't even an NFL starter at that point. Obviously David Garrard was a better player last year than he was 3 years ago, because he got the starting nod last year and not 3 years ago. If I had to guess whether his numbers would fall closer to last year's average, or his averages before he got the starting nod, I'd lean towards last year's average. They might not remain at such a lofty level (because those were some ridiculously lofty numbers), but I'd say Garrard's production this year is more likely to fall on the high side of his career production than on the low side.

Now with almost another season under his belt, I still think Garrard is an average QB/Game manager type. He has done a good job with the issues that have hit Jacksonville this year. His stats put him in the same collums as Orton/Eli/Collins and Campbell all game manager types.

 

[bostonfred]

Ryan Grant

 

[gman74]

I'm not sure we can conclude a whole lot either way from a guy with one season of 325 passing attempts. In the past 10 years, there were sever other guys with the same or better ypa numbers with 300-350 attempts including Chris Chandler, Jeff George, Brian Griese, and Steve Beurelein.Here were Garrard's number prior to 2007 . . .58% completion %, 3.3 TD%, 2.4 INT%, 6.57 Y/A over 539 attempts (compared to 325 attempts in 2007)Again, I'm not raining on Garrard's parade, but his season last year was not a full season and not on par with his prior numbers. I'll believe he is the real thing with another solid season, but I'm not convinced yet.

In my opinion, it's one thing to not be sold on David Garrard because you don't have a large enough body of evidence to work with. It's another thing entirely to not be sold in David Garrard because he's a "game manager". When you rank 4th in the league in yards per completion, you are not a "game manager".Personally, I discount Garrard's numbers last year some because there's no history of success there... but I discount his numbers prior to last year even more, because he wasn't even an NFL starter at that point. Obviously David Garrard was a better player last year than he was 3 years ago, because he got the starting nod last year and not 3 years ago. If I had to guess whether his numbers would fall closer to last year's average, or his averages before he got the starting nod, I'd lean towards last year's average. They might not remain at such a lofty level (because those were some ridiculously lofty numbers), but I'd say Garrard's production this year is more likely to fall on the high side of his career production than on the low side.

Now with almost another season under his belt, I still think Garrard is an average QB/Game manager type. He has done a good job with the issues that have hit Jacksonville this year. His stats put him in the same collums as Orton/Eli/Collins and Campbell all game manager types.

I have always seen Garrard as a Roethlisberger,Dilfer,Brad Johnson type go out and not lose the game just manage it and let the D and play makers win it.

 

[-OZ-]

At least his situation is there now. I ragged on the guy for being the #4-5 WR, but here is his shot. It is still hard for me to picture a Jags WR with any significant fantasy value for a while now.

Serious question...will any of the bunch break the top 40?

I never had a doubt Walker would crack the starting lineup sometime this year. If it happens to begin the year, that's a bonus.

Hard to say if a Jag WR can be top-40 this year. But long term, and this was originally a dynasty matter, when people close to the situation are calling Walker another Jimmy Smith or Anquan Boldin, I'm paying attention. I'd say Walker is definitely top-40 in 2009. I gave you a 80-1100-8 stat, and while that's optimistic, that would be well up the rankings.

I've been hyping this guy since January. I'm glad some of the mainstream media is beginning to see what those who have been watching closely have been seeing for awhile.

CP

with hindsight, Jones was a top 30 for much of the year despite his personal issues. He should continue to improve. I'm not sure how a 6'6" WR with huge hands only gets 2 TDs with 65 receptions, but I assume this will also be improved upon.

I like Walker's potential, but he has to step up at some point.

As for the original question, it seems EEEEEEEEEE gets a little too much love, but he is a baller.

 

[gianmarco]

Ryan Grant

TDs lacking, but somehow, Grant is ranked 9th in rushing yds in the NFL. I don't think we've heard the end of Mr. Grant.

 

[Max Power]

At least his situation is there now. I ragged on the guy for being the #4-5 WR, but here is his shot. It is still hard for me to picture a Jags WR with any significant fantasy value for a while now.

Serious question...will any of the bunch break the top 40?

I never had a doubt Walker would crack the starting lineup sometime this year. If it happens to begin the year, that's a bonus.

Hard to say if a Jag WR can be top-40 this year. But long term, and this was originally a dynasty matter, when people close to the situation are calling Walker another Jimmy Smith or Anquan Boldin, I'm paying attention. I'd say Walker is definitely top-40 in 2009. I gave you a 80-1100-8 stat, and while that's optimistic, that would be well up the rankings.

I've been hyping this guy since January. I'm glad some of the mainstream media is beginning to see what those who have been watching closely have been seeing for awhile.

CP

with hindsight, Jones was a top 30 for much of the year despite his personal issues. He should continue to improve. I'm not sure how a 6'6" WR with huge hands only gets 2 TDs with 65 receptions, but I assume this will also be improved upon.

I like Walker's potential, but he has to step up at some point.

As for the original question, it seems EEEEEEEEEE gets a little too much love, but he is a baller.

Jones was a nice suprise this year. Who would have thought? I remember at one point this offseason it was rumored that he might be cut to make room for Williamson.