White Elephant Rounds 1 and 2. (1 Viewer)

[renesauz]

RULES:

1. You may never steal a player who WAS FIRST DRAFTED (was a fesh player pool pick) before your last pick.

2. You may steal ONLY an owners last pick.

3. 8 hour clock applies to fresh picks/steals. NO CLOCK applies to re-picks taken from the player pool, or a steal to replace a stolen pick. NOTE: A replacement pick must be made before your next pick.

4. For re-picks, you may not steal anyone drafted before your original pick.

5. For original draft position purposes, a player taken from the player pool on a repick is to be considered as the SAME DRAFT SLOT AS THE the person currently on the clock.

6. Five steal limit for the draft.

7. If a player times out on his turn, "player X" will be inserted as the pick (A hypothetical player nobody would wish to steal.) The timed out owner may, at any time, pick from the player pool for a real player, as if it were a repick, with the Steal Test left intact.

8. If a steal is made that is later deemed to be illegal, the stolen pick will immediately revert back to it's last owner. In addition, the owner attempting the illegal steal is charged for a steal anyway, and MUST make the pick up from the player pool.

9. Standard WSL roster limits, and scoring rules.

STEAL TEST:

A PLAYER MAY BE STOLEN IF AND ONLY IF IT PASSES THIS TEST:

1. Is it that owner's last pick taken? If yes....

2. Have I made a pick (of any type...steal, original, or repick) since this player was FIRST DRAFTED FROM THE PLAYER POOL....if no, then....

3. Did I have the opportunity to steal this player before (while I was on the clock)...if no....then

4. Have I ever owned this player before? If no, then...

You can steal him.

EDITED FOR CLARITY AND SPELLING..not for content

 

[renesauz]

1.01. renesauz(5): Brian Westbrook, PHI, RB1

1.02. radballs(5): Peyton Manning, IND, QB1

1.03. Fiddles(5): Travis Henry, DEN, RB2

1.04. Jeff Pasquino(5): Frank Gore, SF, RB3

1.05. STOLE A PICK LATER(Tomlinson first taken here)

1.06. STOLE A PICK LATER(R. Bush first taken here)

1.07. Fro(5): Clinton Portis, WAS, RB6

1.08. Ruffrodys05(5): Larry Johnson, KC, RB7

1.09. Pictus Cat(5): Willie Parker, PIT, RB8

1.10. OldMilwaukee(5):Joseph Addai, IND, RB9

1.11....REPICKED LATER!(Stole Tomlinson here)

1.12....REPICKED LATER!(Steven Jackson first taken here)

1.13. LHUCKS(4):STEAL Steven Jackson, SL, RB10STEAL

1.14. Rudy(4): STEAL L. Tomlinson, SD, RB4 STEAL

2.01 Rudy(4): Shaun Alexander, SEA, RB11 (PICK STOLEN!)

1.05. Duckboy(4): LaDainian Tomlinson, RB4 STEALReggie Bush, NO, RB5STEAL

2.02 LHUCKS(4): Rudi Johnson, CIN, RB12(PICK STOLEN!)

1.12. Blue-Kun(5):Steven Jackson, SL, RB10M.Jones-Drew, JAC, RB13 REPICK!

2.03 Blue-Kun(5): Terrel Owens, DAL, WR1

1.11. Aaron Rudnicki(4):STEAL L. Tomlinson, SD, RB4 STEALRonnie Brown, MIA, RB14 REPICK!

2.04 Aaron Rudnicki(5):Chester Taylor, MIN, RB15

2.05 OldMilwaukee(5): Torry Holt, SL, WR2

2.06 Pictus Cat(5): Chad Johnson, CIN, WR3

2.07 Ruffrodys05(5):Edgerrin James, ARI, RB16

2.08 Fro(5):Laurence Maroney, NE, RB17(PICK STOLEN!)

1.06. Reaper(4): Reggie Bush, NO, RB5 STEALShaun Alexander, SEA, RB11 STEAL

2.09 Reaper(4): Steve Smith, CAR, WR4(PICK STOLEN)

2.10 Duckboy(4): Antonio Gates, SD, TE1

2.11 Jeff Pasquino(4): STEAL Steve Smith, CAR, WR4 STEAL

2.12 Fiddles(5): Willis McGahee, BAL, RB18

2.13 Radballs(4): STEAL Laurence Maroney, NE, RB17STEAL

2.14 ReneSauz(4): STEAL Rudi Johnson, CIN, RB12 STEAL

STEAL TEST:

A PLAYER MAY BE STOLEN IF AND ONLY IF IT PASSES THIS TEST:

1. Is it that owner's last pick taken? If yes....

2. Have I made a pick (of any type...steal, original, or repick) since this player was FIRST DRAFTED FROM THE PLAYER POOL....if no, then....

3. Did I have the opportunity to steal this player before (while I was on the clock)...if no....then

4. Have I ever owned this player before? If no, then...

You can steal him.

Next rounds prep area:

3.01. renesauz(4): Cedric Benson, CHI, RB19

3.02. radballs

3.03. Fiddles

3.04. Jeff Pasquino

3.05. Duckboy

3.06. Reaper

3.07. Fro

3.08. Ruffrodys05

3.09. Pictus Cat

3.10. OldMilwaukee

3.11. Aaron Rudnicki

3.12. Blue-Kun

3.13. LHUCKS

3.14. Rudy

4.01 Rudy

4.02 LHUCKS

4.03 Blue-Kun

4.04 Aaron Rudnicki

4.05 OldMilwaukee

4.06 Pictus Cat

4.07 Ruffrodys05

4.08 Fro

4.09 Reaper

4.10 Duckboy

4.11 Jeff Pasquino

4.12 Fiddles

4.13 Radballs

4.14 ReneSauz

 

[renesauz]

Let's throw a curveball for the opening pick. Since Rudy is sure to Steal LT from the 12 hole, I'm going to take a first rounder, but not a typical top 3 pick.....

BRIAN WESTBROOK

 

[renesauz]

Let's throw a curveball for the opening pick. Since Rudy is sure to Steal LT from the 12 hole, I'm going to take a first rounder, but not a typical top 3 pick.....

BRIAN WESTBROOK

I meant 14 hole...PM-ing next

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

not really complaining, but why was the draft order changed?

 

[renesauz]

not really complaining, but why was the draft order changed?

Was brought up by a couple of people once it was obvious we'd restart. When two others had to bow out, it seemed the best answer.

 

[radballs]

1.02 Peyton Manning, QB, Indianapolis

PMing Fiddles

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

not really complaining, but why was the draft order changed?

Was brought up by a couple of people once it was obvious we'd restart. When two others had to bow out, it seemed the best answer.

doesn't really make sense to me.sounds like a couple people didn't like their original draft spots and wanted to re-roll.could have easily just dropped 2 people from the initial draft order.

 

[Fiddles]

not really complaining, but why was the draft order changed?

Was brought up by a couple of people once it was obvious we'd restart. When two others had to bow out, it seemed the best answer.

doesn't really make sense to me.sounds like a couple people didn't like their original draft spots and wanted to re-roll.could have easily just dropped 2 people from the initial draft order.

after all the #### weve been through for this draft i say let it go and lets start having fun

 

[Fiddles]

1.3 Travis Henry RB Den

pmed jeff

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

1.04 Frank Gore

 

[Duckboy]

1.05 RB LaDanian Tomlinson

Yes there is a method behind the madness.

pming Reaper

 

[Reaper]

1.06 Reggie Bush

 

[Fullback Fro]

1.07 Clinton Portis

 

[Pickle Rody]

1.08 - Larry Johnson

PM'd Pictus Cat

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Hyperlinks

1.01. renesauz -

1.02. radballs -

1.03. Fiddles -

1.04. Jeff Pasquino -

1.05. Duckboy -

1.06. Reaper -

1.07. Fro -

1.08. Ruffrodys05 -

1.09. Pictus Cat -

1.10. OldMilwaukee -

1.11. Aaron Rudnicki -

1.12. Blue-Kun -

1.13. LHUCKS -

1.14. Rudy -

Edited to re-order.

 

[Pickle Rody]

per PM from Pictus Cat......

1.09 "Fast" Willie Parker

PM'd Old Milwaukee

 

[OldMilwaukee]

Lets try this agian...

10.10 Joseph Addia RB Colts

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I'll steal Tomlinson

 

[Blue-Kun]

So do I get to pick now or do I have to wait until Duckboy picks/steals a new guy?

'Cause if it's the former I'm taking Steven Jackson.

 

[renesauz]

So do I get to pick now or do I have to wait until Duckboy picks/steals a new guy?'Cause if it's the former I'm taking Steven Jackson.

You can pick. Duckboy can make up or steal his pick at any point up until his next pick. There can actually be an advantage to waiting for your repick. I'm pretty sure Ducky planned on that pick being stolen.

 

[renesauz]

not really complaining, but why was the draft order changed?

Was brought up by a couple of people once it was obvious we'd restart. When two others had to bow out, it seemed the best answer.

doesn't really make sense to me.sounds like a couple people didn't like their original draft spots and wanted to re-roll.could have easily just dropped 2 people from the initial draft order.

Duckboy was one of the ones proposing a re-roll, and he had what appears to be the best draft slot in this draft, last.

 

[renesauz]

I'll steal Tomlinson

When you steal somebody, make sure you message both the next drafter AND the person you stole from. BUT...That person is on no clock and can pick at any time before his next regularly scheduled draft pick.There can be an advantage to waiting to repick in order to help yourself lock a player, especially if you plan to use a steal on the repick. If planning to pick from the player pool, he could pick another high-profile player hoping that player also gets stolen (burning our steals).

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

not really complaining, but why was the draft order changed?

Was brought up by a couple of people once it was obvious we'd restart. When two others had to bow out, it seemed the best answer.

doesn't really make sense to me.sounds like a couple people didn't like their original draft spots and wanted to re-roll.could have easily just dropped 2 people from the initial draft order.

Duckboy was one of the ones proposing a re-roll, and he had what appears to be the best draft slot in this draft, last.

so what were the reasons for re-rolling? I didn't see any given.

 

[Blue-Kun]

So do I get to pick now or do I have to wait until Duckboy picks/steals a new guy?'Cause if it's the former I'm taking Steven Jackson.

You can pick. Duckboy can make up or steal his pick at any point up until his next pick. There can actually be an advantage to waiting for your repick. I'm pretty sure Ducky planned on that pick being stolen.

Figured, just making sure. Thanks.

 

[Fullback Fro]

not really complaining, but why was the draft order changed?

Was brought up by a couple of people once it was obvious we'd restart. When two others had to bow out, it seemed the best answer.

doesn't really make sense to me.sounds like a couple people didn't like their original draft spots and wanted to re-roll.

could have easily just dropped 2 people from the initial draft order.

Duckboy was one of the ones proposing a re-roll, and he had what appears to be the best draft slot in this draft, last.

so what were the reasons for re-rolling? I didn't see any given.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

not really complaining, but why was the draft order changed?

Was brought up by a couple of people once it was obvious we'd restart. When two others had to bow out, it seemed the best answer.

doesn't really make sense to me.sounds like a couple people didn't like their original draft spots and wanted to re-roll.

could have easily just dropped 2 people from the initial draft order.

Duckboy was one of the ones proposing a re-roll, and he had what appears to be the best draft slot in this draft, last.

so what were the reasons for re-rolling? I didn't see any given.

:( just seems odd. I can't see any reason for a re-roll.

 

[Fullback Fro]

not really complaining, but why was the draft order changed?

Was brought up by a couple of people once it was obvious we'd restart. When two others had to bow out, it seemed the best answer.

doesn't really make sense to me.sounds like a couple people didn't like their original draft spots and wanted to re-roll.

could have easily just dropped 2 people from the initial draft order.

Duckboy was one of the ones proposing a re-roll, and he had what appears to be the best draft slot in this draft, last.

so what were the reasons for re-rolling? I didn't see any given.

just seems odd. I can't see any reason for a re-roll.

 

[renesauz]

not really complaining, but why was the draft order changed?

Was brought up by a couple of people once it was obvious we'd restart. When two others had to bow out, it seemed the best answer.

doesn't really make sense to me.sounds like a couple people didn't like their original draft spots and wanted to re-roll.

could have easily just dropped 2 people from the initial draft order.

Duckboy was one of the ones proposing a re-roll, and he had what appears to be the best draft slot in this draft, last.

so what were the reasons for re-rolling? I didn't see any given.

just seems odd. I can't see any reason for a re-roll.

*sigh* IN hindsight, I guess there wasn't a true NEED to re-roll. Reviewing the other threads, it seems at least 3 people assumed we would. The when everyone seemed to like the modified rules and it seemed we might be ready to go again, there was another post or two saying "roll!"I was concentrating on the rules and potential loopholes, and never really questioned whether there was a real need to re-roll or not.

Can we get back to the draft now? At least the rolls were made publicly (e-mailed to another drafter)

ETA: Let's try to leave the draft thread clear of extra commentary. When steals get frequent, and I get slow on updating post 1 (as will happen sometimes), it will make it easier for guys to follow what's happening. We already have another thread for analysis and commentary.

 

[LHUCKS]

question...we are not having mulitple draftpicks again correct...that will be a cluster####.

 

[renesauz]

question...we are not having mulitple draftpicks again correct...that will be a cluster####.

There will be many instances when people will pick 2 in a row (not just on the ends), but only one person is ever on the clock at any given time.

 

[LHUCKS]

Steal Steven Jackson, PMd Blue Kun

 

[LHUCKS]

explain it to me like I'm Bass N Brew...why would you need to PM two people if only one person can be on the clock?

We can't have two people up at the same time.

 

[renesauz]

explain it to me like I'm Bass N Brew...why would you need to PM two people if only one person can be on the clock?We can't have two people up at the same time.

Only Rudy is OTC. Blue Kun can make up his pick at any point up until his second round pick is due. This was discussed, explained, and analysed in the other thread, and the rules are posted at the beginnning of this thread. There is actually a slight advantage to waiting to make your re-pick...see the other thread for the strategy discussion.Currently, Rudy is OTC at pick 1.14, Blue Kun and Duckboy both have repicks they can make (or steal, provided it passes the steal test) at any point before their next (second round) pick is due

 

[BassNBrew]

explain it to me like I'm Bass N Brew...why would you need to PM two people if only one person can be on the clock?We can't have two people up at the same time.

After I had to hold your hand the first time and explain the rules to you.

explain it to me like I'm a LAC10 grad

would be the accurate statement.

 

[Rudy]

With the 1.14 I am stealing LT RB Chargers .

With the 2.1 I am drafting S.Alexander RB Seattle.

 

[renesauz]

With the 1.14 I am stealing LT RB Chargers .With the 2.1 I am drafting S.Alexander RB Seattle.

Gee...nobody saw the LT steal coming.....

 

[Rudy]

With the 1.14 I am stealing LT RB Chargers .With the 2.1 I am drafting S.Alexander RB Seattle.

Gee...nobody saw the LT steal coming.....

Total shark move my part

 

[renesauz]

EVERYONE: USE THE STEAL TEST before you try a steal. At this point, several drafted players have essentially been locked into place. LT, for example, is NOT Rudy's last pick, and now irrevocably belongs to Rudy. Currently, Rudy has Alexander, but Alexander is (at the moment) available to EVERYBODY on their next pick to be stolen.

The first few draft picks (the ones before Duckboy) are also locked, as everyone after has had a chance to steal those players, and neglected to. (My westbrook pick, for example.)

Currently, there are three guys with empty picks that can be made up anytime before their next pick. For these three, the steal test is even more important, as their possibilities are not immediately obvious.

 

[OldMilwaukee]

Who can take a pick? Gone untill 11am EDST! I would hate to hold things up here...........

 

[renesauz]

Who can take a pick? Gone untill 11am EDST! I would hate to hold things up here...........

11 am should be safe enough. You can PM me though.

 

[OldMilwaukee]

Sent a selection to Renesauz and Ruffrodys. Please PM them at my turn.

I would like to add that if anyone steals him, they move to the top of my list......And you do not want to be there!!!

 

[Duckboy]

Well, I could try something daring but completely damaging if it doesn't work, so I'm just going to make it simple, since I don't want to time out.

STEAL Reggie Bush from Reaper

pming reaper

ETA: Remember the clock is off from midnight to 8 AM EDT, so as of now the clocks are:

Blue-Kun until 12:25 PM EDT for a makeup for steal

ARud until 1:29 PM EDT for a makeup for steal

LHUCKS until 1:29 PM EDT for 2.02

Reaper until 4:00 PM EDT for a makeup for a steal

G'night all

 

[LHUCKS]

2.02 - Rudi Johnson

 

[LHUCKS]

I'm going to Vegas, I wont be able to pick until Saturday...as we agreed earlier the thread should be frozen until Saturday or whenever Rudnicki gets back.

 

[Blue-Kun]

With my repick, I pick Maurice Jones-Drew.

With my 2.03 pick, I take Terrell Owens.

 

[Pictus Cat]

Well, I could try something daring but completely damaging if it doesn't work, so I'm just going to make it simple, since I don't want to time out.

STEAL Reggie Bush from Reaper

pming reaper

ETA: Remember the clock is off from midnight to 8 AM EDT, so as of now the clocks are:

ARud until 1:29 PM EDT for a next pick will be makeup for steal, No clock

ARud until 1:00 PM EDT for 2.04

Reaper until 4:00 PM EDT for a next pick will be makeup for a steal, No clock

G'night all

fixed & updatedCan Arud time out if his next pick has to be a steal?

 

[renesauz]

Well, I could try something daring but completely damaging if it doesn't work, so I'm just going to make it simple, since I don't want to time out.

STEAL Reggie Bush from Reaper

pming reaper

ETA: Remember the clock is off from midnight to 8 AM EDT, so as of now the clocks are:

ARud until 1:29 PM EDT for a next pick will be makeup for steal, No clock

ARud until 1:00 PM EDT for 2.04

Reaper until 4:00 PM EDT for a next pick will be makeup for a steal, No clock

G'night all

fixed & updatedCan Arud time out if his next pick has to be a steal?

Thanks...saved me the trouble. He still has an 8 hour clock from the time his second round pick would have been due (the guy before himn took his second round pick)There is no clock for repicks, but they do have to be made before your nixt pick is due.

 

[Fiddles]

whens the draft stop for these irish basketball pansies?

 

[renesauz]

whens the draft stop for these irish basketball pansies?

trying to figure that out...but we knew this was coming.will post again in a few.