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Who are the least talented players... (1 Viewer)
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Couch Potato
Footballguy
Can you please explain what in the world is even the purpose of this thread?
Why these three? If you really think these three are not highly talented, well... I guess I have no polite response to that.
Are you trying to make some point? Please enlighten. Otherwise, who cares?
Why these three? If you really think these three are not highly talented, well... I guess I have no polite response to that.
Are you trying to make some point? Please enlighten. Otherwise, who cares?
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Avery
Footballguy
Kindly define "Talent".
For a QB is "Talent" being able to throw the ball 60 yards from your knees or is "talent" being about to read a defense, keep your head in the pocket with 300+ lb men bearing down on you and delivering the ball on target.
For a RB is it being about to run a 4.3 40, is it being about to make a guy miss, or is it being about to read you're blockers and make a decisive move when the hole comes open for a fraction of a second.
For a WR is it being 6'4" and being about to physically dominate DBs or is it being about to run precise routes, knowing how to use body language to set up a DB for perhaps another move later in the game, or knowing how to adjust your routes in accordance to how the play breaks.
Or is actual discussion pointless for you are going on a fishing trip trying to prove a point?
For a QB is "Talent" being able to throw the ball 60 yards from your knees or is "talent" being about to read a defense, keep your head in the pocket with 300+ lb men bearing down on you and delivering the ball on target.
For a RB is it being about to run a 4.3 40, is it being about to make a guy miss, or is it being about to read you're blockers and make a decisive move when the hole comes open for a fraction of a second.
For a WR is it being 6'4" and being about to physically dominate DBs or is it being about to run precise routes, knowing how to use body language to set up a DB for perhaps another move later in the game, or knowing how to adjust your routes in accordance to how the play breaks.
Or is actual discussion pointless for you are going on a fishing trip trying to prove a point?
FUBAR
Footballguy
Taking your question at face value, I'll just look at the top 5 rounds from PDSL1 and pick the guy I see as less talented than the others:
1.09 - FUBAR - Michael Turner, ATL, RB8
2.16 - RuffRodys05 - Marques Colston, NO, WR13
3.12 - Atomic Punk - Pierre Thomas, NO, RB16
4.13 - Gamma1210 - TJ Houshmandzadeh, Sea, WR24
t5.10 - bostonfred - Jerome Harrison, Cle, RB24
t5.14 - Thom Yorke - Marion Barber, Dal, RB25
By no means is this an insult to any of them, just that compared to their peers, they don't have quite the same level of talent IMO.
1.09 - FUBAR - Michael Turner, ATL, RB8
2.16 - RuffRodys05 - Marques Colston, NO, WR13
3.12 - Atomic Punk - Pierre Thomas, NO, RB16
4.13 - Gamma1210 - TJ Houshmandzadeh, Sea, WR24
t5.10 - bostonfred - Jerome Harrison, Cle, RB24
t5.14 - Thom Yorke - Marion Barber, Dal, RB25
By no means is this an insult to any of them, just that compared to their peers, they don't have quite the same level of talent IMO.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Reggie Bush
fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
Ryan Grant, Ryan Grant and Ryan Grant
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
The ones from the PAC-10
Banger
Footballguy
he doesn't like Rivers and has been wrong for years on him. While he loves Leinart. Go figure.Typical Lhucks thread. Throw out something, offer no support, people call him and idiot, he comes back in with snide comments, rinse and repeat.
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dickey moe
Fingerpicker
QB: Aaron Rodgers
RB: Chris Johnson
WR: Andre Johnson
TE: Dallas Clark
PK: early 2000's era Adam Vinatieri
DEF: '85 Chicago Bears
Coach: Vince Lombardi
RB: Chris Johnson
WR: Andre Johnson
TE: Dallas Clark
PK: early 2000's era Adam Vinatieri
DEF: '85 Chicago Bears
Coach: Vince Lombardi
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Yeah, struggled with him vs. Thomas.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Understanding how talented a player is doesn't factor into your quantification of how valuable a player is in FF?
Put it in context to help solidify where people should be coming from. Otherwise, this thread is going to go to crap really quickly because it's a pretty broad statement. By listing those guys, I can only assume you think they have less FOOTBALL talent but they are in great opportunities which is why they produce. Because the guys you have listed definitely produce. So, again assuming that is the premise, I'd say the guys that stick out to me are Matt Forte, Joseph Addai, Braylon Edwards, Roy Williams, and Eli Manning. I think these guys don't have elite talent but get drafted among guys that do because they are in good spots to score highly OR they were so vastly overrated to begin with so it took (and is still taking) a long time for people to realize they might not be the best of the best.
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LHUCKS
Footballguy
Obviously...pretty sure the word "talent" implies that.
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As another mentioned, I think the word "talent" can imply a lot of things. I was just trying to solidify the question being asked because we've all see threads like "who's the most talented back of all time?" go a bunch of different directions. So, some guys are more physically talented, some mentally, etc. No big deal.
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gianmarco
Footballguy
Too late as that took place in post #1.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Pretty good list, would probably not consider Turner in this group.
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
Ryan Grant does not get drated highly though
LHUCKS
Footballguy
highly = first 6 rounds...let's say
FUBAR
Footballguy
I wanted to include a 1st round player.1.01 - Ruffrodys05 - Chris Johnson, Ten, RB1
1.02 - David Yudkin - Adrian Peterson, Min, RB2
1.03 - beachbum - Ray Rice, Bal, RB3
1.04 - Gamma1210 - Maurice Jones-Drew, Jac, RB4
1.05 - HellToupee - Rashard Mendenhall, Pit, RB5
1.06 - moleculo - Frank Gore, SF, RB6
1.07 - Honda - Steven Jackson, StL, RB7
1.08 - Jason Wood - Andre Johnson, Hou, WR1
1.09 - FUBAR - Michael Turner, Atl, RB8
1.10 - bostonfred - Reggie Wayne, Ind, WR2
1.11 - Steel Dillo - Miles Austin, Dal, WR3
1.12 - Atomic Punk - Larry Fitzgerald, Ari, WR4
1.13 - Twilight - DeAngelo Williams, Car, RB9
1.14 - Thom Yorke - Drew Brees, NO, QB1
1.15 - JohnnyU - Calvin Johnson, Det, WR5
1.16 - EBF - Aaron Rodgers, GB, QB2
So I was left with Mendenhall, Gore, Turner, and Austin. Of that group, I chose Turner. I assume you'd take Wayne, but he's pretty darn talented.
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PizzaDeliveryGuy
extra sausage
Sounds like Grant will be a steal........again.
Instinctive
Footballguy
QB: Matt Leinart
RB: Matt Leinart
WR: Matt Leinart
TE: Matt Leinart
K: Matt Leinart
Def: Matt Leinart
RB: Matt Leinart
WR: Matt Leinart
TE: Matt Leinart
K: Matt Leinart
Def: Matt Leinart
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
I don't know Lhucks, I don't think Pierre Thomas fits in the category because he was only drafted highly last year. Most people like myself picked him up off of waivers mid way through the season before last. So last year he was drafted say late 2nd and mid 3rd round and this year isn't really here yet for most fantasy drafts ( at least over 80 percent of the drafts if not more, 90 percent) so I'm not sure we have enough data on a guy like Pierre Thomas who was drafted in the first 6 rounds 1 time compared to your other two examples who have been in the top 6 rounds for quite awhile now.If we include 1 year type players, then I'll throw in D. Bowe. I think he underachieved big time and I don't think he'll turn it around this year either. He was outplayed by Chambers last season and from early drafts, he'll be going around round 4. I don't think he'll live up to that.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
They must have went to PAC 10 schools, they don't read or follow directions!*wink*
Vladislav Tretiak
Footballguy
Pretty sure that you cannot measure a player's talent as an actual unit of weightOf course you haven't defined it as short ton, metric ton, or long ton
Please leave your own thread
That might be believable if you'd come in and backed up your statement with a logical and convincing argument.Understanding how talented a player is doesn't factor into your quantification of how valuable a player is in FF?
Are these a lock?
cobalt_27
Footballguy
QB Matt LeinartRB JJ ArringtonWR Mike WilliamsTE Marcedes LewisHTH
LHUCKS
Footballguy
If this thread was about the most talented players you wouldn't have a problem with it, would you.Classic.doowain said:These are the kinds of worthless, almost, threads that have come to be far too common in the Shark Pool. In the offseason it gets a bit tiresome weeding through the good and the utterly horrible.
doowain
Footballguy
If this thread was about the most talented players you wouldn't have a problem with it, would you.Classic.doowain said:These are the kinds of worthless, almost, threads that have come to be far too common in the Shark Pool. In the offseason it gets a bit tiresome weeding through the good and the utterly horrible.
My problem with this thread is that it doesn't add anything at all to the Shark Pool from a fantasy perspective. You list three players in your post and then do NOTHING to rationalize why you feel the way that you do. That, to me, is either A) Lazy and useless, or B) Fishing. That's like me starting a thread titled Chris Johnson -- OVERRATED. Then in the first post simply stating "I think CJ3 is overrated" and leaving it at that. It's basically starting a thread for the sake of starting a thread. These threads either die quickly or it becomes a giant tool fest where everyone comes in and argues while trying to pimp their guys. If you don't want this type of reaction to a thread like this, try putting forth a little more effort. TIA
LHUCKS
Footballguy
I've started more good debate in this forum before you knew this forum existed. I know what I'm doing. If you don't like my style, go find another thread.If this thread was about the most talented players you wouldn't have a problem with it, would you.Classic.doowain said:These are the kinds of worthless, almostMy problem with this thread is that it doesn't add anything at all to the Shark Pool from a fantasy perspective. You list three players in your post and then do NOTHING to rationalize why you feel the way that you do. That, to me, is either A) Lazy and useless, or B) Fishing. That's like me starting a thread titled Chris Johnson -- OVERRATED. Then in the first post simply stating "I think CJ3 is overrated" and leaving it at that. It's basically starting a thread for the sake of starting a thread. These threads either die quickly or it becomes a giant tool fest where everyone comes in and argues while trying to pimp their guys. If you don't want this type of reaction to a thread like this, try putting forth a little more effort. TIA
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doowain
Footballguy
Clearly you have a high opinion of yourself, but let's say that's true. Do previous threads you started make this one any less useless?Instead of arguing with me, why not prove me wrong and give a reason for why you feel the way you do about Rivers, Pierre, and Wayne? I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way.I've started more good debate in this forum before you knew this forum existed. I know what I'm doing. If you don't like my style, go find another thread.If this thread was about the most talented players you wouldn't have a problem with it, would you.Classic.doowain said:These are the kinds of worthless, almost, threads that have come to be far too common in the Shark Pool. In the offseason it gets a bit tiresome weeding through the good and the utterly horrible.
My problem with this thread is that it doesn't add anything at all to the Shark Pool from a fantasy perspective. You list three players in your post and then do NOTHING to rationalize why you feel the way that you do. That, to me, is either A) Lazy and useless, or B) Fishing. That's like me starting a thread titled Chris Johnson -- OVERRATED. Then in the first post simply stating "I think CJ3 is overrated" and leaving it at that. It's basically starting a thread for the sake of starting a thread. These threads either die quickly or it becomes a giant tool fest where everyone comes in and argues while trying to pimp their guys. If you don't want this type of reaction to a thread like this, try putting forth a little more effort. TIA
PizzaDeliveryGuy
extra sausage
Doowain, I think most of us appreciate what you are doing here but for your own sanity you may want to drop it. He is allowed to fish, we are not sure why but most guess that he is a Mod alias.
Chargers86
Footballguy
I'd probably be just as bitter if I knew Matt Leinart was going to be my quarterback next year.To all who properly diagnosed this as a poorly disguised Phillip rivers hate thread. Give up shucks, rivers is an excellent qb and leinart is not.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Instead of calling this thread worthless and a fishing thread, you could have just asked this question in the first place. Instead, you chose to come in here, clutter up the thread and be the opposite of productive.thanks buddy.Clearly you have a high opinion of yourself, but let's say that's true. Do previous threads you started make this one any less useless?Instead of arguing with me, why not prove me wrong and give a reason for why you feel the way you do about Rivers, Pierre, and Wayne? I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way.I've started more good debate in this forum before you knew this forum existed. I know what I'm doing. If you don't like my style, go find another thread.If this thread was about the most talented players you wouldn't have a problem with it, would you.Classic.doowain said:These are the kinds of worthless, almost
doowain
Footballguy
Most adults don't need babysitters.Still waiting on your OP to be edited with your reasoning.
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Instinctive
Footballguy
Oh I get it. Phillip Rivers haterade?
I suppose I'd feel that way too if Matt Leinart was my top ranked QB...anything to look sane...
I suppose I'd feel that way too if Matt Leinart was my top ranked QB...anything to look sane...
You'll have to keep waiting -- this is his MO: make a controversial statement with no reasoning behind it, tell people they're wrong when they make well-reasoned arguments that state otherwise, and then get upset and claim that these sorts of threads enhance the Shark Pool when people call him out.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Rivers has average decision making skills and is a statue in the pocket...hence the least talented of the top ranked QBs...IMHO.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Thomas - subpar speed and elusiveness when compared to the other top ranked RBs
Wayne - subpar speed and athleticism when compared to the other top WRs.
Really, this is common sense stuff and wasn't the purpose of this thread...the purpose of this thread was what is sated in the title, which is obviously confusing for a lot of the "sharks" in this thread.
Wayne - subpar speed and athleticism when compared to the other top WRs.
Really, this is common sense stuff and wasn't the purpose of this thread...the purpose of this thread was what is sated in the title, which is obviously confusing for a lot of the "sharks" in this thread.
PizzaDeliveryGuy
extra sausage
Rivers is great at moving in the pocket and getting rid of the ball. I have no idea where you get this from. Any stats to back it up or are we going off of your obviously untrained eye?
Vicktimized
Footballguy
If we're talking "least physical talent", maybe I buy it. Pierre Thomas and Wayne are exceptional football players that I'd take over worlds of guys with more athletic ability. Rivers, not sure what more you could want from him.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
We're looking at the top QBs...you can start by comparing him to Brady, Manning, Brees etc.
