Who are the obvious BUSTS this year (1 Viewer)

[shadyridr]

Every year there are busts. But Im not talking about busts in general like Kavan Barlow a few years back and Cadillac Williams last year. These guys were busts but alot of people were singing their praises. And while Im sure both players had people saying they would be busts there were enough factors there to think that both would be worthy of their first round picks.

Im talking more about guys like Daunte Culpepper 2 years ago and Lamont Jordan and Edge from last year.

In CPep's case he lost Moss, he had horrible WRs, he lost his off coordinator and his oline was weak. Of course, we all shouldve seen that. I ignored all those warnings and took him in the 2nd round like an idiot.

In Jordan's case he played for a horrible team, with a horrible oline, he lost Norv Turner, and he gained Art Shell and a bed and breakfast owner as his off coordinator. Of course the warning signs were all there yet I still took him in the 1st round like a moron.

In Edge's case he went from the Colts to the bad Cardinals. Who havent had a successful running game in years and had a miserable Oline. Of course everyone shouldve known he wasnt worthy of a 1st round pick. I saw it and laughed at another owner for picking him with the 6th pick. At least I was right on one of them, lol.

Anyway, who in the first 2 rounds has all the warning signs to bust this year and at the end of the year we will look back and say "Duh, of course he was gonna be a bust because of..."?

 

[amnesiac]

i think this is an interesting question that deserves some discussion.

too often i think we get caught up in the summer hype machine, looking at all the reasons why someone should be able to perform well, but don't look at the obvious warning signs as closely.

avoiding the busts is just as important as picking out the guys who go off.

 

[Banger]

There seems to be a high correlation between bad o-lines and RB busts. I'm going to keep my eye on the lines this offseason, especially injuries that may have a big impact.

 

[shadyridr]

There seems to be a high correlation between bad o-lines and RB busts. I'm going to keep my eye on the lines this offseason, especially injuries that may have a big impact.

Great point That is a common factor in all 3 OBVIOUS busts I listed in my post

 

[Banger]

There seems to be a high correlation between bad o-lines and RB busts. I'm going to keep my eye on the lines this offseason, especially injuries that may have a big impact.

Great point That is a common factor in all 3 OBVIOUS busts I listed in my post

So far Meester (Jax) is a good starter to go down....

 

[Zoomanji]

MJD

B. Jacobs

 

[shadyridr]

OK looking at my rankings I have Parker ranked 8th. Im wondering if perhaps we will look back and say he was a bust and that all the warning signs were there.

The Oline is starting to decline, the defense isnt as good as in year's past which means more passing to keep themselves in games, he has a new coach and offensive coordinator, he already has a history of struggling vs good defenses, and he has a QB that turns the ball over a lot stopping drives. How much does this sound like LaMont Jordan? True Parker is the unquestioned #1 RB in all situations but we said the same thing about Jordan last year.

Now Im not ready to bump him down in the rankings but I think he is a candidate that we should be looking at with a ton of warning signs.

 

[IM666]

I hate to say this, especially since he is my starting QB, but Drew Brees could be a bust based on his ADP this year. He had a great year last year, but Culpepper went south quickly, as did Kurt Warner.

 

[jurrassic]

I would think right off the top:

Gore-Already injured, lost Turner

LJ-Enough has been written, although I still don't know if I believe it

MoJo-being taken way to high for a guy who splits carries and will give up goalline carries to Greg Jones

Portis-injured again, splitting time maybe with Betts

Colston-Can he really do it again this year, Bush will get more receptions, will get more defensive attention

 

[shadyridr]

I would think right off the top:Gore-Already injured, lost TurnerLJ-Enough has been written, although I still don't know if I believe itMoJo-being taken way to high for a guy who splits carries and will give up goalline carries to Greg JonesPortis-injured again, splitting time maybe with BettsColston-Can he really do it again this year, Bush will get more receptions, will get more defensive attention

Im gonna ignore Gore, LJ, and Portis cuz of the whole injury thing plus the holdout. Colston is a great choice I have him ranked as my 8th WR but that could certainly be a huge mistake as a WR1.

 

[mikel0254]

I think the term OBVIOUS BUST is sort of an oxymoron...If it's OBVIOUS, than they wouldn't be ranked so high. But, that being said, I understand what you mean with warning signs and I'm just being a pain in the a**.

If I had to choose a player going in rounds one or two, I think I would have to choose MJD. He's not the starter, could get GL touches taken from him by Jones, the Meester injury, and could experience a sophomore slump. He also reminds me a lot of Dominick Davis (Williams) a few years ago. Not the injury factor at all, but the fact that he had a great 2nd half of the year, and is now ranked in the top 20 to start the year...

 

[-Crippler-]

Randy Moss

Older - ability is on the downturn

Attitude Problems that NE won't tolerate

Lots of attention from defenses - especially with a Maroney injury

 

[pantherclub]

Willie Parker

 

[BroadwayG]

I'm going with Travis Henry and Willis McGahee.

 

[shadyridr]

I think the term OBVIOUS BUST is sort of an oxymoron...If it's OBVIOUS, than they wouldn't be ranked so high. But, that being said, I understand what you mean with warning signs and I'm just being a pain in the a**.

If I had to choose a player going in rounds one or two, I think I would have to choose MJD. He's not the starter, could get GL touches taken from him by Jones, the Meester injury, and could experience a sophomore slump. He also reminds me a lot of Dominick Davis (Williams) a few years ago. Not the injury factor at all, but the fact that he had a great 2nd half of the year, and is now ranked in the top 20 to start the year...

When I say obvious I mean when you look back at the season. I am trying to predict who those players may be.

 

[saintfool]

thomas jones - pennington struggles even slightly and that team is a wreck.

 

[shadyridr]

thomas jones - pennington struggles even slightly and that team is a wreck.

Yep great choice. And I think people are overlooking the Leon Washington factor. This may not be a true RBBC but he will be on the field alot.

 

[ATC1]

I'm going to say LJ even if he gets his money.

 

[gman8343]

Jamal Lewis. Not a high round pick but still, I don't like his prospects in Cleveland.

Also, I don't think McGahee will play to his ADP, though he shouldn't be a complete bust.

 

[JimboJim]

This is based on current ADP.

QBs

Manning - Some year he is going to finish out of the top three QBs due to injury or just a bad season. When he does, any team that took him in the first will be in trouble.

Young - No weapons, and if the rushing stats (especially TDs) aren't there, he could be lucky to finish top 20.

RBs

Joseph Addai - RB5 for a guy that only had a few good games. I'm a fan of the Indy offense, but I think that 1600-1700 total yards and 10-14TDs most are predicting are going to be hard to reach.

MJD - Committees scare me for #1 or high #2 RBs. Fred Taylor is still a talent and while some will liken this to the Bush/McAllister scenario, there are two problems. MJD isn't half the receiver Bush is and the Jags offense is not near explosive as the Saints. Look for teams to catch on to the draw play that got MJD most of his yards last season.

Portis - The emergence of Betts; an early knee issue, recovering from surgery... things are not looking bright.

Barber III - Phillips will give Julius a chance that Parcells didn't. Guys that have a very high TD/per carry rate scare me.

WRs

Fitzgerald/Boldin - I see the passing offense being scaled back a little. Either both are fairly decent WRs or one is huge and the other is midlle of the pack; would hate to have to make that guess.

Lee Evans - Not a big TD guy and the only option on his team. Last season he had a ridiculously high number of long gains.

Andre Johnson - Love the guy, but it took him 103 catches to be the #18 WR last season. Unless the offense gets better, his fantasy stats won't.

TE

Gates - Might finish as the #1 TE, but if you wait three or four rounds, you can have Heap, Shockey, Gonzalez... who could easily supplant him or only fall a few FPs short.

 

[FavreCo]

I'm going to say LJ even if he gets his money.

We have a winner. That OL is not what it once was. Not even close. Why do you think LJ wants big $ NOW?

 

[E-A-G-L-E-S]

I would think right off the top:

Gore-Already injured, lost Turner

LJ-Enough has been written, although I still don't know if I believe it

MoJo-being taken way to high for a guy who splits carries and will give up goalline carries to Greg Jones

Portis-injured again, splitting time maybe with Betts

Colston-Can he really do it again this year, Bush will get more receptions, will get more defensive attention

Bush had 88 catches last year, how many more can he get?

 

[shadyridr]

This is based on current ADP.QBsManning - Some year he is going to finish out of the top three QBs due to injury or just a bad season. When he does, any team that took him in the first will be in trouble.Young - No weapons, and if the rushing stats (especially TDs) aren't there, he could be lucky to finish top 20.RBsJoseph Addai - RB5 for a guy that only had a few good games. I'm a fan of the Indy offense, but I think that 1600-1700 total yards and 10-14TDs most are predicting are going to be hard to reach.MJD - Committees scare me for #1 or high #2 RBs. Fred Taylor is still a talent and while some will liken this to the Bush/McAllister scenario, there are two problems. MJD isn't half the receiver Bush is and the Jags offense is not near explosive as the Saints. Look for teams to catch on to the draw play that got MJD most of his yards last season.Portis - The emergence of Betts; an early knee issue, recovering from surgery... things are not looking bright.Barber III - Phillips will give Julius a chance that Parcells didn't. Guys that have a very high TD/per carry rate scare me.WRsFitzgerald/Boldin - I see the passing offense being scaled back a little. Either both are fairly decent WRs or one is huge and the other is midlle of the pack; would hate to have to make that guess.Lee Evans - Not a big TD guy and the only option on his team. Last season he had a ridiculously high number of long gains.Andre Johnson - Love the guy, but it took him 103 catches to be the #18 WR last season. Unless the offense gets better, his fantasy stats won't.TEGates - Might finish as the #1 TE, but if you wait three or four rounds, you can have Heap, Shockey, Gonzalez... who could easily supplant him or only fall a few FPs short.

You kind of missed the point of my thread

 

[Desert_Power]

MJD - Committees scare me for #1 or high #2 RBs. Fred Taylor is still a talent and while some will liken this to the Bush/McAllister scenario, there are two problems. MJD isn't half the receiver Bush is and the Jags offense is not near explosive as the Saints. Look for teams to catch on to the draw play that got MJD most of his yards last season.

Wondering where you got that opinion from. It certainly wasn't the fact that MJD had a higher catch to target ratio than Bush did last season.

 

[Blue Cheese]

Obvious bust, not counting injuriess?

Michael Vick

 

[bigmiiiiike]

LJ - reasons already stated

McGahee - the Baltimore O-Line is not what it once was, it's actually worse than the Buffalo O-Line from a year ago IMO. There isnt a whole lot of offense in Baltimore, I could see a Jamal Lewis-like struggle for 1200 yards and 6 TDs, which isnt a complete bust, but it's definitely not what you'd be looking for in your 2nd round RB.

 

[texasheat]

Lee Evans - Not a big TD guy and the only option on his team. Last season he had a ridiculously high number of long gains.

Not a big TD guy? Lee has had 24 TD's in the past 3 seasons. Only 8 other WR in football have been that consistent reaching the endzone in the last 3 years. He is in a very similar situation as last season, there is very little reason to expect a decline from Evans this year. No idea where you drew your conclusion from.NAME POS YRs G REC RECYD YD/REC RECTD FANT PT 1 Marvin Harrison wr 2004--2006 47 263 3625 13.78 39 596.50 2 Terrell Owens wr 2004--2006 37 209 3143 15.04 33 512.00 3 Torry Holt wr 2004--2006 46 289 3891 13.46 29 563.30 4 Reggie Wayne wr 2004--2006 48 246 3575 14.53 26 513.10 5 Chad Johnson wr 2004--2006 48 279 4075 14.61 25 567.10 6 Muhsin Muhammad wr 2004--2006 47 217 3018 13.91 25 453.30 7 Lee Evans wr 2004--2006 48 178 2878 16.17 24 444.10 8 Larry Fitzgerald wr 2004--2006 45 230 3135 13.63 24 463.00 9 Randy Moss wr 2004--2006 42 151 2325 15.40 24 377.35

 

[ImTheScientist]

Does not perform to their ADP:

Rudi Johnson

MJD

Randy Moss

 

[-Crippler-]

I'm going to say LJ even if he gets his money.

We have a winner. That OL is not what it once was. Not even close. Why do you think LJ wants big $ NOW?

You mean the same O-line as last year? The one he put up great numbers behind?

 

[texasheat]

Does not perform to their ADP:Rudi JohnsonMJDRandy Moss

What is your reasoning behind your Rudi Johnosn prediction. He has been nothing but a model of consistency the past 4 years. Just curious?

 

[PahtyTom]

I would think right off the top:Gore-Already injured, lost TurnerLJ-Enough has been written, although I still don't know if I believe itMoJo-being taken way to high for a guy who splits carries and will give up goalline carries to Greg JonesPortis-injured again, splitting time maybe with BettsColston-Can he really do it again this year, Bush will get more receptions, will get more defensive attention

Im gonna ignore Gore, LJ, and Portis cuz of the whole injury thing plus the holdout. Colston is a great choice I have him ranked as my 8th WR but that could certainly be a huge mistake as a WR1.

Colston is going to be a top WR for years. As far as a bust, I'd say Shaun Alexander again this year according to his ADP. I see him being around RB20.

 

[shadyridr]

So far picks I like for potential OBVIOUS busts we shouldve seen coming:

LJ, Parker, McGahee, Colston

 

[Banger]

So far picks I like for potential OBVIOUS busts we shouldve seen coming:

LJ, Parker, McGahee, Colston

I wrote this a few weeks ago in a McGahee thread....I've read McGahee's name in a number of threads over the past few weeks in player to avoid/overvalued/ranking threads and a number of people are down on him and I'm having a hard time understanding why. Right now his ADP is RB13 and last year Jamal finished RB16 while averaging 3.6 ypc with 9 td's. I think most people feel that McGahee is an upgrade over Lewis at this point, the Ravens spent 2 1st draft picks to improve their line (Ogden is back) and drafted another in the supplemental draft, there's talk of getting McGahee involved in the passing game (which Lewis never was) and he's a lock to get at least 300+ carries if healthy (there's no threat to take carries on the roster). Take the lowball #'s of 300-1170 (3.9 his career avg on Bills) - 8 tds - 200 rpt yards = 185 points which was good for 14th last year (and 7 points away from 10th). If he gets more carries (which is likely), and/or more receiving yards (possible), and/or more TD's (likely) and/or improves on the 3.9 ypc (likely IMO with a better line) he will finish higher.

In my opinion he's being drafted at his downside due to the # of touch's he's due to receive and there are several reasons that he may outperform it making him a very safe value play. I know he's not a popular player for his past work ethic/learning plays/trashing Buffalo/etc but I think people are letting that cloud the very good situation he's in.

 

[raor]

Lee Evans - Not a big TD guy and the only option on his team. Last season he had a ridiculously high number of long gains.

Not a big TD guy? Lee has had 24 TD's in the past 3 seasons. Only 8 other WR in football have been that consistent reaching the endzone in the last 3 years. He is in a very similar situation as last season, there is very little reason to expect a decline from Evans this year. No idea where you drew your conclusion from.

I believe the thought process is something like: "Does player X play for the Patriots, is this offensive line the Patriots, is the coach Bill Belichick, etc. If not, then player X must suck." E.G.: "Manning - Some year he is going to finish out of the top three QBs due to injury or just a bad season."Seriously JimboJim, what possible reason, other than hatred, could you have to think that Manning is a bust? He's due? please ....

 

[cheese]

There seems to be a high correlation between bad o-lines and RB busts. I'm going to keep my eye on the lines this offseason, especially injuries that may have a big impact.

Eric Steinbach was probably the best run blocker on the bengals. I think him leaving could have a serious impact on a between the tackles runner like Rudi. Although, as others have pointed out, Rudi seems to be incredibly consistent.

 

[PahtyTom]

So far picks I like for potential OBVIOUS busts we shouldve seen coming:

LJ, Parker, McGahee, Colston

I wrote this a few weeks ago in a McGahee thread....I've read McGahee's name in a number of threads over the past few weeks in player to avoid/overvalued/ranking threads and a number of people are down on him and I'm having a hard time understanding why. Right now his ADP is RB13 and last year Jamal finished RB16 while averaging 3.6 ypc with 9 td's. I think most people feel that McGahee is an upgrade over Lewis at this point, the Ravens spent 2 1st draft picks to improve their line (Ogden is back) and drafted another in the supplemental draft, there's talk of getting McGahee involved in the passing game (which Lewis never was) and he's a lock to get at least 300+ carries if healthy (there's no threat to take carries on the roster). Take the lowball #'s of 300-1170 (3.9 his career avg on Bills) - 8 tds - 200 rpt yards = 185 points which was good for 14th last year (and 7 points away from 10th). If he gets more carries (which is likely), and/or more receiving yards (possible), and/or more TD's (likely) and/or improves on the 3.9 ypc (likely IMO with a better line) he will finish higher.

In my opinion he's being drafted at his downside due to the # of touch's he's due to receive and there are several reasons that he may outperform it making him a very safe value play. I know he's not a popular player for his past work ethic/learning plays/trashing Buffalo/etc but I think people are letting that cloud the very good situation he's in.

 

[Godsbrother]

QBs:

Jon Kitna: I know the numbers but it is tough for me to rank him in the Top 10

Tony Romo: Only had a couple good games and is projected too high.

RBs:

Shaun Alexander: I got burned on him last season but he did help me in the playoffs. He'll be 30 in August so he's getting a little long in the tooth. Risky...

WRs:

Randy Moss: I know he's got Brady throwing to him and that he is playing for Belichick but Brady likes to spread the ball around and I wonder if/when Randy's lackadasial attitude will surface.

He's not a top ten RB but I don't like Jamal Lewis' chances in Cleveland either. I have reasd reports where is weight is down, healthy, and about the new and improved o-line. But he looked awfully slow last year and now he gets to face the Ravens defense twice.

 

[BGP]

There seems to be a high correlation between bad o-lines and RB busts. I'm going to keep my eye on the lines this offseason, especially injuries that may have a big impact.

Great point That is a common factor in all 3 OBVIOUS busts I listed in my post

I've been saying that for years lol. Every year I implore the Browns to draft OL.

 

[Jayrod]

I don't think we'll see another LaMont Jordan this year (1st round pick, RB45 in PPG scoring), but we could see another Edge(1st round pick, RB25 in PPG scoring).

As I look at the first round ADP right now, no one sticks out to me like LaMont & Edge did last year.

Last year both had several red flags about their situation that were fairly easily spotted.

Edge was going from a great offensive team to a mediocre one that had a very poor history of running the ball, plus the defense was too poor to allow for running the clock out at the end games.

Jordan stayed on the same team (which was horrible), but got a new coach in Art Shell ( ). The main difference that he faced was the change in philosphy where the RB's were no longer utilized in the passing game which is where he did a lot of damage in 2005.

However, there are a couple of guys I'm not high on right now.

First is Larry Johnson. If my draft were today, I wouldn't draft him in round 1 because I'm not sure he's going to be playing in week 1. He also has the deterioration of the O-line and a new QB to deal with. If he were already with the team, I wouldn't be scared because I think he is one of the most talented RB's in the league and can make something out of nothing and will definitely get the opportunties with a high number of carries.

Second is Frank Gore. His injury history aside, the biggest issue is the loss of Norv Turner. The team around him is decent and improving, but they are still not a great offense. Also he has had only one year of NFL success under his belt. I could see him struggling more than many will expect and possibly not finishing in the top 15. While not a monumental bust, I think many Gore drafters will be disappointed this year.

 

[LHUCKS]

Randy Moss was the first player to come to mind...that beind said I wouldn't be surprised if he finished top 10 so I don't know that it's that "obvious"

 

[BGP]

I'd be worried about Fast Willie Parker.

If you recall, I noted after the Seahawks-Steelers super bowl that it was rather shocking how Seattle absolutely manhandled the Steelers at the point of attack. I said then that it could be a harbinger of future issues. I was absolutely correct, as both the OL and DL struggled in 2006 for Pittsburgh. The Steelers offensive line did not look good at all at points last year, and it wasn't due to injuries. They play of the OL took several steps back in 2006. We can read here:

http://news.steelers.com/article/78802/

When training camp opened, Marvel Smith and Alan Faneca were set at their respective positions on the left side of the line, but the other three jobs were wide open.

The Steelers did not take an OL in the draft until late, either.On the other hand, another trained eye (on another forum) had this insight.

well I mentioned in another post, but they have been bad for several years (as far as pass protection). The difference was Ben's ability to make plays despite the rush (remember his amazing stats on QB ranking AFTER first contact? I'd love to see that stat this year). He simply throws and then cringes waiting for the hit...he never did that before (and then the ball sails on him).

But the Steelers OL is a huge ? right now.

 

[-Crippler-]

There seems to be a high correlation between bad o-lines and RB busts. I'm going to keep my eye on the lines this offseason, especially injuries that may have a big impact.

Great point That is a common factor in all 3 OBVIOUS busts I listed in my post

I've been saying that for years lol. Every year I implore the Browns to draft OL.

I'm sure that thought never crossed their mind...just yours

 

[spurs44]

Jamal Lewis. Not a high round pick but still, I don't like his prospects in Cleveland. Also, I don't think McGahee will play to his ADP, though he shouldn't be a complete bust.

From what I'm reading on a lot of sites the Browns o-line was the main thier main focus and is one of the better group of linemen the have had in several years. Are you thinking that o-line is still bad or that Lewis is wearing down and will not be effective?

 

[corpcow]

MJD

B. Jacobs

I definitely agree on MJD - not that he'll be a "bust" per se, but he will definitely be overvalued. I'd also add Marion Barber to the list.Both are clearly talented, but for whatever reason neither are RB1 on their team. They both put up monster stats last year buoyed mostly by gaudy TD numbers. I don't think either are really yet creeping into the 1st round ADP, but I don't think either will put up as good numbers as they did last year warranting 2nd rd picks.

 

[brianj74]

Larry Johnson- I see no scenario where he returns fair value from where he will be drafted in most drafts.

Colston- rookie WR who put up big numbers in the first year. I'll need to see it or something close to it again to be a believer. Also, I think the Saints offensive as a whole takes a step back this year.

Shaun Alexander/Frank Gore- both could be studly but I'd hate to pin my draft on the success/health of either. Gore has to be studly to justify his #4-5 spot in most drafts, I don't see it.

Chris Chambers- he'll disappoint regardless of where he is drafted (since I'll avoid him like the plague, he'll probably go for 1,100 and 10 TD's).

Alge Crumpler- the Falcons are a mess. Even if Crumpler was 100%, he'll be drafted too high based on past years.

 

[Josh the FunkDOC]

I'm not so worried about Willie. They haven't bothered to find another goal-line back, and the coaching staff has outright said they want to get him more involved in the passing game. Remember, they had 4 WRs with over 500 yards last year, so Parker could easily get a nice chunk of that action.

Agree with Randy Moss. Because of Brady mainly, but he also may just be past his prime.

LJ and Alexander are the two big ones for me. Possibly MJD, although sometimes he falls to late 2nd round and I like him there. Their backup center is apparently very good as well, so they'll survive without a few games of Meester.

I am very unsure of Rudi in late 1st, as well - prefer Travis Henry at this point. His per-play efficiency numbers took a HUGE drop last season, and they lost Steinbach.

-Josh

 

[corpcow]

Jamal Lewis. Not a high round pick but still, I don't like his prospects in Cleveland. Also, I don't think McGahee will play to his ADP, though he shouldn't be a complete bust.

From what I'm reading on a lot of sites the Browns o-line was the main thier main focus and is one of the better group of linemen the have had in several years. Are you thinking that o-line is still bad or that Lewis is wearing down and will not be effective?

Funny, I actually like Jamal Lewis this year. A young and/or rookie QB they want to take pressure off. The best offensive line they've had in awhile - Joe Thomas if he lives up to the billing will be an anchor at LT. Added Steinbach at LG in FA. If LeBentley can play it would be him and Fraley at C/RG... The loss of Tucker for 4 games might dampen optimism a bit, but Schaffer should be able to fill in ok if Joe Thomas can grab the LT spot.

 

[corpcow]

Colston- rookie WR who put up big numbers in the first year. I'll need to see it or something close to it again to be a believer. Also, I think the Saints offensive as a whole takes a step back this year.

While I agree Colston is probably going higher than he should in redrafts based on last year (hey, remember Michael Clayton?), I'm not sure why you think the Saints offense would take a step back. Bush looked like he "got" it late in the year, Deuce is still there. They lost Horn but he was out half the year anyway. Brees showed he was fine last year and should only be better 1 year more removed from the injury.

 

[shadyridr]

I'm not so worried about Willie. They haven't bothered to find another goal-line back, and the coaching staff has outright said they want to get him more involved in the passing game. Remember, they had 4 WRs with over 500 yards last year, so Parker could easily get a nice chunk of that action.

I think I read a stat where only 2 teams in the last 5 years (it couldve been more I forget) have had 4 WRs with more than 500 yards. One was the Steelers of last year and the other was the Browns of a few years back. The offensive coordinator of that Browns team was Bruce Arians, ie the current offensive coordinator of the Steelers.

 

[corpcow]

I'm going to say LJ even if he gets his money.

We have a winner. That OL is not what it once was. Not even close. Why do you think LJ wants big $ NOW?

You mean the same O-line as last year? The one he put up great numbers behind?

I disagree - I think he's going to exceed his ADP, because his ADP is slipping. In two ongoing dynasty drafts, I saw him from to 1.09 and 1.06. That's just unbelievable. I have to imagine his stock would be even lower in a redraft given the impact a couple of games holdout could have, and he could very well turn into the steal, not bust, of this year's draft