I was considering Schaub as well, but am giving him another week or two before I completely panic.Ryan, Schaub.... maybe Romo.
Same here.Eli in redraft.
I'm also having trouble deciding between Grossman and Fitzpatrick. Ultimately, I think it comes down to which offensive line will do better at pass protection and whether Oakland or Arizona has a better pass rush (leaning towards Oakland here). I can see Washington running the ball more often than Buffalo, however. Buffalo might have to throw more to play catch-up because I think they will have trouble against Darren McFadden.Have Grossman, Fitzpatrick and Flacco. Thinking of starting Grossman over Fitzpatrick aginst OAK.
I like him longterm, since he has a nice mix of WR's, TE's, and a RB that is good catching passes out of the backfield, he looked decent at the end of last year and again last week, so I think his production could continue. If not I will just drop him since I got him off the WW. I think he's worth a shot since he does have more options in that offense now...Grossman has a great matchup this week and should be the starter over a lot of the names listed here. However, I am more interested in his long term outlook. Anyone bullish long term? I love his upside and he'd be great week 8 bye week filler at Buffalo (during Aaron Rodgers bye week). He was available in my league almost for free.
With Lloyd (most likely) out, Gaffney happened to be the best available WR on my wire this week, so I'm plugging him in, too (over an injured Jacoby Ford and with Mike Thomas on Revis island).If everyone is high on Grossman, who gets the targets at WR2? Is there a WW play there?
Gaffney technically, but nabbing Fred Davis if he is by some miracle still available is a really smart move.Like someone said earlier, Grossman as a starter has a tendency to look very good one week and lost the next. The good news is that his schedule is borderline ridiculous. PHI in week 6 and NYJ in week 13 look like the only difficult matchups (PHI in week 17 as well, but most leagues don't bother). Other than that, DAL and NYG in the division have suspect pass Ds, the entire NFC West (and they get all four) are very beatable through the air, and the remaining AFC East (BUF, MIA, NE) are all beatable through the air. CAR, which will struggle against the pass, and MIN, which is closer to neutral round out their schedule. Normally, I'd look to trade him after his bye, but maybe he's pretty effective most of the year?'mr roboto said:If everyone is high on Grossman, who gets the targets at WR2? Is there a WW play there?
Why not? A rookie QB shredded the Cards Pass D, it's worth a flier. Unless you're talking about the owners willing to bench one of the top 7 QBs for Grossman, then I agree with you 100%.Can't believe this is happening.
Wow. This seems risky. How much of a chance is there that Washington gets up early and then just grinds the ball? I am thinking Kolb might be the better play because Arizona is likely to be the team needing to throw.'Banemorth said:Matt Ryan sits. Rex starts. Dropped Kolb to get him (only 4 bench spots!)
They kept Eli Manning to just 268 yards, 1 int, 1 fumble NO TD passes. Granted the Giants are pretty beat up but I still think they're a better team than Arizona. My money is on Rex.Wow. This seems risky. How much of a chance is there that Washington gets up early and then just grinds the ball? I am thinking Kolb might be the better play because Arizona is likely to be the team needing to throw.'Banemorth said:Matt Ryan sits. Rex starts. Dropped Kolb to get him (only 4 bench spots!)
I am not necessarily disagreeing with you but you have to admit Arizona's receivers are worlds better than the Giants.They kept Eli Manning to just 268 yards, 1 int, 1 fumble NO TD passes. Granted the Giants are pretty beat up but I still think they're a better team than Arizona. My money is on Rex.Wow. This seems risky. How much of a chance is there that Washington gets up early and then just grinds the ball? I am thinking Kolb might be the better play because Arizona is likely to be the team needing to throw.'Banemorth said:Matt Ryan sits. Rex starts. Dropped Kolb to get him (only 4 bench spots!)
Because the Arizona D blitzed a crazy amount of time trying to rattle the rookie and he had enough protection and moxie to get the ball out fast enough. I don't see them trying that again for the fact of non-rook qb plus the live and learn rule from week 1. I can still see a shoot-out of sorts occurring but I don't see SexyRexy laying close to the yardage that Newton did against the Cards.Why not? A rookie QB shredded the Cards Pass D, it's worth a flier. Unless you're talking about the owners willing to bench one of the top 7 QBs for Grossman, then I agree with you 100%.Can't believe this is happening.
With the exception of Nicks I do agree.I am not necessarily disagreeing with you but you have to admit Arizona's receivers are worlds better than the Giants.They kept Eli Manning to just 268 yards, 1 int, 1 fumble NO TD passes. Granted the Giants are pretty beat up but I still think they're a better team than Arizona. My money is on Rex.Wow. This seems risky. How much of a chance is there that Washington gets up early and then just grinds the ball? I am thinking Kolb might be the better play because Arizona is likely to be the team needing to throw.'Banemorth said:Matt Ryan sits. Rex starts. Dropped Kolb to get him (only 4 bench spots!)
Well yea no one should be expecting 400 from Grossman. Every Grossman owner's situation is different, based on who they're benching to start him. I have to choose between Freeman @ MIN or Grossman vs ARI. I'm more willing to make a snap judgment on Arizona and call them a bad defense b/c of a rookie than I am willing to call Minnesota a bad D b/c of a top 5 QB.I'll probably do some stat digging the next couple days to see if I can convince myself to start Freeman. If not, Grossman will stay in.Because the Arizona D blitzed a crazy amount of time trying to rattle the rookie and he had enough protection and moxie to get the ball out fast enough. I don't see them trying that again for the fact of non-rook qb plus the live and learn rule from week 1. I can still see a shoot-out of sorts occurring but I don't see SexyRexy laying close to the yardage that Newton did against the Cards.Why not? A rookie QB shredded the Cards Pass D, it's worth a flier. Unless you're talking about the owners willing to bench one of the top 7 QBs for Grossman, then I agree with you 100%.Can't believe this is happening.
Id do grossman over freeman this week.I'll probably do some stat digging the next couple days to see if I can convince myself to start Freeman. If not, Grossman will stay in.
Darn you Manning! <img src='http://forumimages.footballguys.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink1.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />
I don't think anyone is worried about his ability to produce. No system can prevent Rexy from running backwards in terror and launching dragons off his back foot, or fumbling snaps, or any of his other problems.It's not wise to compare Grossman running a Ron Turner offense with Grossman running a Shanny offense. This is an offensive scheme that made Jake Plummer a 4000 yard/27 TD season QB, and Jay Cutler a 4500 yard/25 TD system. You don't have to be a great QB to put up numbers in this system, the offense does the heavy lifting for you.
In 3 of his last 4 games, Grossman has thrown for 300+ yards, with a 59.1 comp %, 8:3 TD/Int ratio, and a 97.5 QB rating...and he plays Az this weekend.looks like a great start, and so does Santana Moss..Gaffney technically, but nabbing Fred Davis if he is by some miracle still available is a really smart move.Like someone said earlier, Grossman as a starter has a tendency to look very good one week and lost the next. The good news is that his schedule is borderline ridiculous. PHI in week 6 and NYJ in week 13 look like the only difficult matchups (PHI in week 17 as well, but most leagues don't bother). Other than that, DAL and NYG in the division have suspect pass Ds, the entire NFC West (and they get all four) are very beatable through the air, and the remaining AFC East (BUF, MIA, NE) are all beatable through the air. CAR, which will struggle against the pass, and MIN, which is closer to neutral round out their schedule. Normally, I'd look to trade him after his bye, but maybe he's pretty effective most of the year?'mr roboto said:If everyone is high on Grossman, who gets the targets at WR2? Is there a WW play there?
And Jake Plummer and Jay Cutler never did any of those things. Never. Not in a million years.I don't think anyone is worried about his ability to produce. No system can prevent Rexy from running backwards in terror and launching dragons off his back foot, or fumbling snaps, or any of his other problems.It's not wise to compare Grossman running a Ron Turner offense with Grossman running a Shanny offense. This is an offensive scheme that made Jake Plummer a 4000 yard/27 TD season QB, and Jay Cutler a 4500 yard/25 TD system. You don't have to be a great QB to put up numbers in this system, the offense does the heavy lifting for you.
Obviously they did. Did you watch Grossman's whole career in Chicago, or just catch a few nationally televised games? You seem to be arguing against a position nobody holds. If Grossman does something habitually, who cares if Cutler does it occasionally? You'd have to be nuts to say that running backwards is as characteristic of Cutler's game as Grossman's.If you don't think Grossman has a history of chronically running backwards instead of stepping into the pocket then you didn't really watch his Bears career. Of course nobody thinks Plummer or Cutler never make the same mistake. That's ridiculous.And Jake Plummer and Jay Cutler never did any of those things. Never. Not in a million years.I don't think anyone is worried about his ability to produce. No system can prevent Rexy from running backwards in terror and launching dragons off his back foot, or fumbling snaps, or any of his other problems.It's not wise to compare Grossman running a Ron Turner offense with Grossman running a Shanny offense. This is an offensive scheme that made Jake Plummer a 4000 yard/27 TD season QB, and Jay Cutler a 4500 yard/25 TD system. You don't have to be a great QB to put up numbers in this system, the offense does the heavy lifting for you.