Who do we target? - CJ Spiller (1 Viewer)

[Sabertooth]

In this post I'm going to break down CJ Spiller. Is he this guy? Or is he a borderline bust? I lot of how I break down an NFL player is opportunity based. I'm also a big believer in the rule of thumb . Right now Fred Jackson is a fantasy stud. He's no doubt a very good player. He's so good in fact, that he's made Buffalo feel comfortable enough to send on former first rounder to Seattle, and another to the bench. A good assumption would be that he will continue to be good.

However, he's 30 folks. He might hit "the wall." He's carried the rock plenty the last two seasons with 459 combined carries.

Another possibility is that his play regresses back to where he's been the past two seasons.

Both of these plausible scenarios open the crack for C.J. Spiller to slip through. For the pennies on the dollar you can buy him for right now, he seems like a guy we might want to target.

Let's look at what he's done in Jackson's shadow this season.



Week 1 vs KC

1st touch - Off tackle run. Kept it inside for a nice little 7 yard gainer.

2nd touch - Designed screen to Spiller. Another nice run in traffic.

3rd touch - Play went right, Spiller took it outside for a non gainer. He probably could have netted a couple yards up inside.

4th touch - middle of second quarter. Spiller sent in to spell Jackson. Draw play out of the shotgun. Nothing there really. Announcers commented that Fitzpatrick told them that Jackson is the best blocker on third downs (mental note).

5th touch - middle of third quarter. Announcer praising Jackson for his falling forward type of style (mental note). Spiller comes in and goes down rather easily for a loss.

6th touch (watch it here)- TOUCHDOWN! with about 12 minutes left. Designed inside, Spiller breaks it out and has too much speed for the defenders to get to him. Dances in untouched on a play that Fred Jackson simply lacks the speed to make.

Week 2 vs Oakland

1st touch - after Jackson softens the Raiders up a bit with some nice runs, Spiller enters the game in shotgun set. Drag route over the middle, Spiller catches and advances it a few steps before Huff tackles him.

2nd touch - Off tackle run to the right. Spiller drags a DB for about three yards on his ankle. 7 yard gain showed some power.

3rd touch - right after turnover from Raiders, Spiller is sent out and rips off a 12 yard gainer. Designed outside run. He accelerates and get 12 yards before the defenders push him out.

4th touch - (Watch it here) - lined up with Jackson in same backfield out of the gun (backers to either side). Play fake to Jackson rushing left, Spiller swings around to the right and looked like he might get to paydirt. But tackled at the 7. You get a sense of his speed here. Note FBG has this classified as a run. It is a swing pass.

5th touch - designed run right. (Watch it here)He just patiently runs this and makes a nice cutback that nets him about 20 more yards because of his speed.

Week 3 vs. New England

1st touch - 8:26 Second Quarter - Screen pass. Nothing doing. Tackled immediately.

2nd touch - 3:32 Second Quarter - Little inside run up the gut on first down. 3 yards

Not used very much at all against the Pats.

Week 4 vs. Cincinatti

Not used at all in the first half. No touches until the final minute of third quarter.

1st touch - 0:48 third quarter - Draw play for three yards. Nothing impressive about it. Took what was there and went down easily.

2nd touch - Little drag route from Spiller who began his pattern lined up split out wide left.

3rd touch - Nice carry up the gut for a 1st down. Weaved through some traffic and got the needed yardage and then some.

4th touch - Kind of weird setup. Fred Jackson blocked but Spiller was lined up very deep and didn't do anything. Strange play.

Week 5 vs. Philadelphia

1st touch - Rush left side down inside the 10 yard line of the Eagles. Play designed to go up the gut, nothing there so Spiller used his speed to get to the edge for a nice 6 yard gain.

2nd touch - WR screen to Spiller that he got a few yards on. Caught the ball in space but didn't show a ton of quickness or elusiveness here. Run of the mill play.

3rd touch - Spiller got the handoff and eluded a defender immediately. He showed good burst to the outside and outran the next two guys. Maybe his best run of the one's I've reviewed. Show vision, elusiveness, and burst. Nice play when nothing was there initially. He didn't finish it though, choosing instead to step out uncontested.

4th touch - Shovel pass that was sniffed out immediately. He didn't do much with the ball and was wrapped up immediately.

Week 6 vs. New York Giants

1st touch - Split wide left. Little corner or drag route. He caught it and didn't do anything after the catch.

2nd touch - Five yard hitch. Tackled immediately after adjusting to the high throw. Not much opportunity to advance the ball.

3rd touch - Deeper crossing route here. Play action to Jackson, and later Fitz hit Spiller deep. His momentum carried him OOB, but he did get his feet down and made the catch with his hands. That's one thing I have noticed, he catches the ball away from his body. Shows some polish as a receiver.

4th touch - Split wide right. Deep comeback route that Spiller caught and then got wrestled OOB right away. Announcer mentions how he's seeing a lot of action at wideout.

5th touch - Split wide left this time. Another short curl route that he caught and gained maybe a yard or two after the catch on.

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One Guy's Opinion after Week 6

Spiller is playing up and down right now. He's got Jackson in front of him and that isn't going to change. But he's explosive and if Jackson's age catches up to him in any way, Spiller is going to get more touches.

Spiller no finds himself in the role of WR-RB. Which I think could have some upside. He's another player like McCluster who has speed and ball skills but isn't necessarily a good running back yet. Spiller doesn't seem to fight for extra yards at all and goes out of bounds a lot. He gets tackled easily too.

This hasn't change - you can get Spiller dirt cheap right now. He just turned 24 years old. His career arc reminds me of Darren McFadden's. If he continues down that path, he could be something special. If he doesn't? No big deal, he's dirt cheap anyway. He could be a nice bye week guy in PPR. I could see him putting together just as good of receiving stats as any other Bills wideout not name Stevie.

 

[Statcruncher]

I haven't had the opportunity to watch alot of Spiller's carries so my opinion should be taken lightly. That said, it appears to me that he constantly tries to get to the outside and is reluctant to go between the tackles. That's understandable as his speed produces big plays once he hits the corner, but that's an easy RB to gameplan against. Can anyone link me to highlight clips that show he can effectively run inside? That's the only thing that keeps me from buying what he's selling.

 

[Sabertooth]

I haven't had the opportunity to watch alot of Spiller's carries so my opinion should be taken lightly. That said, it appears to me that he constantly tries to get to the outside and is reluctant to go between the tackles. That's understandable as his speed produces big plays once he hits the corner, but that's an easy RB to gameplan against. Can anyone link me to highlight clips that show he can effectively run inside? That's the only thing that keeps me from buying what he's selling.

On the last touch there. He's tempted to take it outside and the play is off tackle or a sweep, but he cuts it back in and gains about 20 yards on it. It is linked there. There were a few where he attempted to go up the gut and just didn't get anywhere.

 

[Statcruncher]

I haven't had the opportunity to watch alot of Spiller's carries so my opinion should be taken lightly. That said, it appears to me that he constantly tries to get to the outside and is reluctant to go between the tackles. That's understandable as his speed produces big plays once he hits the corner, but that's an easy RB to gameplan against. Can anyone link me to highlight clips that show he can effectively run inside? That's the only thing that keeps me from buying what he's selling.

On the last touch there. He's tempted to take it outside and the play is off tackle or a sweep, but he cuts it back in and gains about 20 yards on it. It is linked there. There were a few where he attempted to go up the gut and just didn't get anywhere.

I did watch that, it didn't change my opinion that he gravitates toward the sidelines whenever possible.

 

[footballnerd]

great thread. been debating holding onto him in redraft. sounds like a decent long hold though. thanks

 

[Dought Man]

dont see CJ being startable this season. A poor mans Darren Sproles?

 

[zamboni]

I think he can be very effective, but more as a situational guy than a workhorse.

If Fred falters/gets hurt, it wouldn't surprise me to see Johnny White be given an opportunity to do some of the heavy lifting.

 

[thatguythere]

C.J. Spiller will be used more at wide receiver going forward, a source tells ProFootballTalk.com.With Marcus Easley (heart) and Roscoe Parrish (ankle) done for the season, the Bills are desperate for help at wideout. And it's clear that Spiller isn't going to pass Fred Jackson on the running back depth chart, so this is a way to get on the field more. The best-case scenario for the Bills here is that Spiller ends up being used like Reggie Bush was with the Saints. Fantasy owners should take a "wait-and-see" approach. Sep 21 - 8:06 AM

Source: Profootballtalk on NBCSports.com

 

[Touchdown Syndrome]

I wouldn't be surprised to see him on the WW in plenty of redrafts.

He certainly has talent, and you'd be hard pressed to find someone with his upside just chillin' there for free (or for dirt cheap).

At Clemson he reminded me of Chris Johnson a bit (combo of talent/top-end speed).

Like CJ at Eastern Carolina, Spiller had the skills to basically bust everything outside and outrun defenders.

However, CJ in the pros has obviously shown excellent vision and the ability to run inside (Reggie Bush's downfall).

Again, he has shown flashes of his top-10-pick talent, but FJax has just been infinitely more productive.

I'm always a sucker for talent, so I would make room for him at the bottom of my roster in case of injury or increased opportunity.

As Saber said, it wouldn't cost much.

 

[Sabertooth]

Wow. We could be looking at another Sproles/McCluster type of play. I'd not even considered the injury angle.

 

[habsfan]

... and Fred hasn't been paid. I know he has another year but don't the Bills need to start making some decisions here?

 

[Sabertooth]

One could certainly find all of these other factors encouraging.

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

It's not Spiller's fault that Fred Jackson is playing out of his mind right now. Spiller is going to be a great player in this league, hes just playing behind a borderline pro bowl RB right now...

 

[finito]

It's not Spiller's fault that Fred Jackson is playing out of his mind right now. Spiller is going to be a great player in this league, hes just playing behind a borderline pro bowl RB right now...

Spiller had a shot at taking the job last year and in the preseason this year and failed, and it wasn't close. He may end up being a great player but he hasn't shown any consistency thus far in his career - he is a long way from being someone a team can trust.

 

[rainram]

I think he current complimentary roll suits him well. I don't think he's be nearly as effective if he was primary back...although just the sheer volume in that scenerio would make him more viable.

In redraft you have to look at the scedhule a little bit too. BUF played KC (who is fighting SEA for worst team in the NFL right now) and OAK (whose defense is bottom rung at the moment). Going forward, however...NE, PHI, NYG (good against the run), NYJ twice, Dallas (looking real good with Ryan for a DC), TEN (top notch D at the moment and shut down Ray Rice)...don't like Spiller, in an already limited capacity against this bunch. **Wondering if Fred Jackson is a sell high

However, like you I have noticed his playmaking ability. But I think that's where it ends for CJ Spiller.

 

[Welshie]

I think you keep him on the radar just because when you talk about backups with the potential to blow up with extended playing, he's easily Top 10. But his value if Jackson is healthy all year? Desperation bye week play, that's about it.

 

[whodeywhodey]

While Fred Jackson is 30 he's a very young 30 in NFL terms.

He's one guy whose age doesn't scare me. Can't say that about many other 30 year old RBs in the NFL.

(Only 682 rushing attempts prior to this season)

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

What would you classify as a "dirt cheap" price for Spiller? Speaking in dynasty terms, Spiller owners likely spent a top 3 pick on him, and aren't going to give him away for peanuts.

Personally I am in the camp that believes Spiller will never be more than a gadget player at this level. I don't see the McFadden like breakout that some do. Last year in most of my dynasty leagues I traded for FJax with a 2nd rounder and then picked up Johnny White in the 4th. IMO the possible return on investment for White is better than that of Spiller.

 

[Sabertooth]

While Fred Jackson is 30 he's a very young 30 in NFL terms.He's one guy whose age doesn't scare me. Can't say that about many other 30 year old RBs in the NFL.(Only 682 rushing attempts prior to this season)

This is a fallacy. Age is the important thing. Not carries. And he's had almost 500 carries in the past two seasons. I disagree with your post.

 

[Sabertooth]

Does Spiller get work in the return game?

 

[whodeywhodey]

While Fred Jackson is 30 he's a very young 30 in NFL terms.He's one guy whose age doesn't scare me. Can't say that about many other 30 year old RBs in the NFL.(Only 682 rushing attempts prior to this season)

This is a fallacy. Age is the important thing. Not carries. And he's had almost 500 carries in the past two seasons. I disagree with your post.

Well he sure doesn't look like your average 30 year old NFL back to these eyes.For this year he is absolutely fine and I think the age is a non-factor even though you obviously thought it a big enough factor that you pointed it out in your first post.We will just have to agree to disagree.

 

[jonramz]

Freddie lasts a couple extra years because of his lack of NFL hits... his legs/body are fine right now

Spiller actually broke some tackles last game, a first for him. I can't see him being a 25 carry bell cow RB though, maybe I'm wrong though. For some reason, maybe it is the number change, but I see the talent to be Marshall Faulk in CJ, he is so natural in the passing game

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I think he can be very effective, but more as a situational guy than a workhorse.If Fred falters/gets hurt, it wouldn't surprise me to see Johnny White be given an opportunity to do some of the heavy lifting.

I bet this is really what's going on here.White will get a bump in carries; and Spiller who gets sent out a receiver often anyway just becomes that in reality. How long before a real WR shows up and takes over?

 

[Zeff]

While Fred Jackson is 30 he's a very young 30 in NFL terms.He's one guy whose age doesn't scare me. Can't say that about many other 30 year old RBs in the NFL.(Only 682 rushing attempts prior to this season)

This is a fallacy. Age is the important thing. Not carries. And he's had almost 500 carries in the past two seasons. I disagree with your post.

How old are you, man?When you're 30, you still feel like superman. You feel as indestructible as you did at 25, but physically stronger. Maybe, if you haven't stayed in shape, you have lost a half a step...but just barely. There's a reason why in most sports, this is your prime. It's because maturity and wisdom and experience and physical talent are all kind of coming together.The X factor in football is punishment. That's the only difference.A talented 30 year old with minimal tread off his tires is going to be as healthy and robust as any 25 year old who's been carrying a full time load for three years.

 

[Aurren]

Thursday, Sep 22 at 2:48pmWith Roscoe Parrish placed on IR earlier this week, Spiller is likely to have a bigger role in the Bills' game plan, according to BuffaloBills.com.Analysis: For starters, Spiller will replace Parrish as the main punt return man. He'll also be worked into the receiving game more. Even though David Nelson will take over Parrish's No. 3 slot role, Spiller has been used out wide in several packages with the pass-happy Bills over the past two seasons, and that's only going to increase with the speedy Parrish out, as Spiller is one of the few players who can match Parrish's unique skill set. Fred Jackson is still getting too many carries for Spiller's value to take off, but with say, five or more rushes in the run game, a few looks in the passing game, and some punt return yardage, it could soon become enough to matter in deeper formats.by Rotowire.com

 

[eaglesfan7]

Sabertooth is correct when it comes to running backs and when the decline starts. It has everything to do with age and not touches. Just review the history of the NFL and you'll see there are only a handful of backs who haven't declined when reaching that age.

While Fred Jackson is 30 he's a very young 30 in NFL terms.He's one guy whose age doesn't scare me. Can't say that about many other 30 year old RBs in the NFL.(Only 682 rushing attempts prior to this season)

This is a fallacy. Age is the important thing. Not carries. And he's had almost 500 carries in the past two seasons. I disagree with your post.

How old are you, man?When you're 30, you still feel like superman. You feel as indestructible as you did at 25, but physically stronger. Maybe, if you haven't stayed in shape, you have lost a half a step...but just barely. There's a reason why in most sports, this is your prime. It's because maturity and wisdom and experience and physical talent are all kind of coming together.The X factor in football is punishment. That's the only difference.A talented 30 year old with minimal tread off his tires is going to be as healthy and robust as any 25 year old who's been carrying a full time load for three years.

 

[jonramz]

Sabertooth is correct when it comes to running backs and when the decline starts. It has everything to do with age and not touches. Just review the history of the NFL and you'll see there are only a handful of backs who haven't declined when reaching that age.

While Fred Jackson is 30 he's a very young 30 in NFL terms.He's one guy whose age doesn't scare me. Can't say that about many other 30 year old RBs in the NFL.(Only 682 rushing attempts prior to this season)

This is a fallacy. Age is the important thing. Not carries. And he's had almost 500 carries in the past two seasons. I disagree with your post.

How old are you, man?When you're 30, you still feel like superman. You feel as indestructible as you did at 25, but physically stronger. Maybe, if you haven't stayed in shape, you have lost a half a step...but just barely. There's a reason why in most sports, this is your prime. It's because maturity and wisdom and experience and physical talent are all kind of coming together.The X factor in football is punishment. That's the only difference.A talented 30 year old with minimal tread off his tires is going to be as healthy and robust as any 25 year old who's been carrying a full time load for three years.

I think age doesn't help things... but carries are definitely the most important factor. Take a look at RB's who did not take the pounding early in their careers, or had injuries that limited their carries early on and you will see that they remain effective a couple years longer than RB's that have been starters their whole careers. Some examples are Priest Holmes, Ricky Williams, Fred Taylor, Thomas Jones, and now Fred Jackson.Then there are freaks like Curtis Martin and Walter Payton that just last longer than the average back.I would actually argue that a RB has 6-8 good years, that must be used by age 33. The amount of backs that are done by 28 after being ridden hard for 6 years is amazing.

 

[Sabertooth]

Sabertooth is correct when it comes to running backs and when the decline starts. It has everything to do with age and not touches. Just review the history of the NFL and you'll see there are only a handful of backs who haven't declined when reaching that age.

While Fred Jackson is 30 he's a very young 30 in NFL terms.He's one guy whose age doesn't scare me. Can't say that about many other 30 year old RBs in the NFL.(Only 682 rushing attempts prior to this season)

This is a fallacy. Age is the important thing. Not carries. And he's had almost 500 carries in the past two seasons. I disagree with your post.

How old are you, man?When you're 30, you still feel like superman. You feel as indestructible as you did at 25, but physically stronger. Maybe, if you haven't stayed in shape, you have lost a half a step...but just barely. There's a reason why in most sports, this is your prime. It's because maturity and wisdom and experience and physical talent are all kind of coming together.The X factor in football is punishment. That's the only difference.A talented 30 year old with minimal tread off his tires is going to be as healthy and robust as any 25 year old who's been carrying a full time load for three years.

I think age doesn't help things... but carries are definitely the most important factor. Take a look at RB's who did not take the pounding early in their careers, or had injuries that limited their carries early on and you will see that they remain effective a couple years longer than RB's that have been starters their whole careers. Some examples are Priest Holmes, Ricky Williams, Fred Taylor, Thomas Jones, and now Fred Jackson.Then there are freaks like Curtis Martin and Walter Payton that just last longer than the average back.I would actually argue that a RB has 6-8 good years, that must be used by age 33. The amount of backs that are done by 28 after being ridden hard for 6 years is amazing.

I think studies have shown it is more age than carries. However any study is just going to be a guide anyway. Obviously carries plays a part, so does age, so does injury history, training regimen, genetics, and just plain old luck.But age is certainly a risk factor. You are looking at a lot of longshots at RB on the waiver wire. But that is where Spiller sits right now. Jackson has some contract issues. This team is down what 3 WRs for the season so far. They've got big tough runblocking wideouts in Johnson, Nelson, and Jones. I think Spiller is a nice little stash right now. Actually in PPR right now he's RB36. He's right in that Shonn Greene, Daniel Thomas, Roy Helu range. He's been consistent, scoring 8 and 7 points the past two weeks. No reason to see that change for the worse. He's got an older back in front of him (JACKSON is the OLDEST starting RB in the NFL). So you have a good guy to pick up there. Downside is minimal - upside is very good. BUY!

 

[Resident A]

Does Spiller get work in the return game?

He hadn't been getting much, but with Roscoe Parrish on IR now, he will get a good deal of it.

 

[jonramz]

Does Spiller get work in the return game?

He hadn't been getting much, but with Roscoe Parrish on IR now, he will get a good deal of it.

#1 punt returner and on kickoffs he is back there w/ Brad Smith

 

[Insein]

great thread. been debating holding onto him in redraft. sounds like a decent long hold though. thanks

Same here. If Freddie goes down, CJ has big value all of sudden. But thats a big if. For Dynasty owners this is an easy decision. You hang onto him because Fred JAckson isn't going to be around forever. For redraft, it only makes sense if you have enough bench spots.

 

[socrates]

Fred Jackson is running like a Pro-Bowler, and the jury is still out on how the Bills would distribute touches if Jackson were to break down, but in the early goings this season, Spiller has his first career rushing TD and his first career game over 35 yards rushing. Perhaps that is a positive sign that the Bills will get Spiller more involved.

I think it is yet too early to label Spiller a bust. There is still hopeful expectation that Spiller will transition his game similar to Jamaal Charles. Until he gets some turns in the offense, we won't know, but for now Spiller is at least a great lottery-ticket type dynasty stash.

 

[Sabertooth]

Fred Jackson is running like a Pro-Bowler, and the jury is still out on how the Bills would distribute touches if Jackson were to break down, but in the early goings this season, Spiller has his first career rushing TD and his first career game over 35 yards rushing. Perhaps that is a positive sign that the Bills will get Spiller more involved. I think it is yet too early to label Spiller a bust. There is still hopeful expectation that Spiller will transition his game similar to Jamaal Charles. Until he gets some turns in the offense, we won't know, but for now Spiller is at least a great lottery-ticket type dynasty stash.

My feelings as well. His cost is quite low. I made the mistake of quickly grabbing Bernard Scott over him and I regret it because when I went back he was gone. That's how you know your true feelings about a guy. If you get that gnawing feeling about not getting him, you really like him for some reason or another.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Fred Jackson is running like a Pro-Bowler, and the jury is still out on how the Bills would distribute touches if Jackson were to break down, but in the early goings this season, Spiller has his first career rushing TD and his first career game over 35 yards rushing. Perhaps that is a positive sign that the Bills will get Spiller more involved. I think it is yet too early to label Spiller a bust. There is still hopeful expectation that Spiller will transition his game similar to Jamaal Charles. Until he gets some turns in the offense, we won't know, but for now Spiller is at least a great lottery-ticket type dynasty stash.

My feelings as well. His cost is quite low. I made the mistake of quickly grabbing Bernard Scott over him and I regret it because when I went back he was gone. That's how you know your true feelings about a guy. If you get that gnawing feeling about not getting him, you really like him for some reason or another.

Wish I didn't already own Spiller, because he's the perfect buy-low guy right now

 

[Mash]

Fred Jackson is running like a Pro-Bowler, and the jury is still out on how the Bills would distribute touches if Jackson were to break down, but in the early goings this season, Spiller has his first career rushing TD and his first career game over 35 yards rushing. Perhaps that is a positive sign that the Bills will get Spiller more involved. I think it is yet too early to label Spiller a bust. There is still hopeful expectation that Spiller will transition his game similar to Jamaal Charles. Until he gets some turns in the offense, we won't know, but for now Spiller is at least a great lottery-ticket type dynasty stash.

My feelings as well. His cost is quite low. I made the mistake of quickly grabbing Bernard Scott over him and I regret it because when I went back he was gone. That's how you know your true feelings about a guy. If you get that gnawing feeling about not getting him, you really like him for some reason or another.

Wish I didn't already own Spiller, because he's the perfect buy-low guy right now

 

[atcdav]

there is talk of moving him to wr with parrish out as a way to get him in the game. I would hang on for now

 

[cubd8]

C.J. Spiller isn't very good OR hasn't shown himself to be very good.

Why the optimism?

 

[Raymell McKigney]

C.J. Spiller isn't very good OR hasn't shown himself to be very good.Why the optimism?

because the Bills under Gailey & Ryan fitzpatrick are creating a fantasy viable offense, Spiller is being used effectively, & is a Freddy Jackson injury away from significant opportunity. I trust gailey to get the most out of Spiller.more importantly, Spiller has the skills to pay the bills, ridiculous to think a top 10 pick isn't any good without having seen him with a significant workload/opportunity.

 

[finito]

C.J. Spiller isn't very good OR hasn't shown himself to be very good.

Why the optimism?

because the Bills under Gailey & Ryan fitzpatrick are creating a fantasy viable offense, Spiller is being used effectively, & is a Freddy Jackson injury away from significant opportunity. I trust gailey to get the most out of Spiller.

more importantly, Spiller has the skills to pay the bills, ridiculous to think a top 10 pick isn't any good without having seen him with a significant workload/opportunity.

Today, the most he got out of Spiller was 2 touches for -4 yds.

 

[NeverEnough]

C.J. Spiller isn't very good OR hasn't shown himself to be very good.Why the optimism?

because the Bills under Gailey & Ryan fitzpatrick are creating a fantasy viable offense, Spiller is being used effectively, & is a Freddy Jackson injury away from significant opportunity. I trust gailey to get the most out of Spiller.more importantly, Spiller has the skills to pay the bills, ridiculous to think a top 10 pick isn't any good without having seen him with a significant workload/opportunity.

Doesn't look like there is anything to get out of him. Jackson goes down enter Mr. White.

 

[bocksheesh]

Anything new here on the Spiller as WR front?

I too am in the camp that believes Freddie Jackson slows down at some point this season. Spiller could yet get his chance.

 

[pocketducks]

Jay Skurski (Bills beat reporter) just tweeted (@JaySkurski)"Expect CJ Spiller to remain at WR at least while Donald Jones is out. #Bills"

Would C.J. Spiller make for a better WR than a RB? Would he have any value in PPR leagues? Any thoughts?

 

[Sabertooth]

Jay Skurski (Bills beat reporter) just tweeted (@JaySkurski)"Expect CJ Spiller to remain at WR at least while Donald Jones is out. #Bills" Would C.J. Spiller make for a better WR than a RB? Would he have any value in PPR leagues? Any thoughts?

Well, he could have some value without a Fred Jackson injury as a bye-week fill in. But he's one of those guys whose stock skyrockets with an injury to Jackson. I honestly think if Fred were to miss a few weeks, Spiller could potentially put up RB10-RB15 numbers consistently.

 

[Insein]

great thread. been debating holding onto him in redraft. sounds like a decent long hold though. thanks

Same here. If Freddie goes down, CJ has big value all of sudden. But thats a big if. For Dynasty owners this is an easy decision. You hang onto him because Fred JAckson isn't going to be around forever. For redraft, it only makes sense if you have enough bench spots.

I don't even know about dynasty value anymore. This guy looks like a bust. He hasn't been given a lot of opportunity but with the few carries he gets, he's uninspiring. Redraft he's completely worthless.

 

[Sabertooth]

I edited first post to include some more of what I've seen in recent weeks. All you cubicle jockies enjoy !!!!