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and i like kornheiser.-biz-
Sinrman
Footballguy
I won't say NEVER, but I rarely find JK funny. Personally, I thought the whole thing was pretty tasteless and classless on his part. I do agree that ESPN has become a commercialized mega-giant, that has gotten way too big for it's britches. But I think they did the right thing in this case...circelli17 said:I've NEVER found Kimmel funny and I think he made himself look like an idiot on MNF. 5 minutes talking about sports betting with the booth? Now there's some original material
Loan Sharks
Not a Wolf
I normally like Kimmel but I thought he did go too far, I mean besides the tooling on Theisman which was personal, he was trashing the product they were selling by constantly saying how bad the game sucked.
When I watched it I was embarrassed for Kimmel. Best case scenario he was bombing as a comedian.
In any case if they don't want him back I can see why.
When I watched it I was embarrassed for Kimmel. Best case scenario he was bombing as a comedian.
In any case if they don't want him back I can see why.
Loan Sharks
Not a Wolf
I can agree with this but assessment but also the jokes weren't funny either.The Man Who Met Andy Griffith said:
fatness
Footballguy
And that's what people are objecting to? Good grief, what namby-pambies. If they're going to make football into "entertainment", then they're either going to get entertainment like that or the syrupy-sweet kind Aunt Gladys would think is cute, which would be worse.
It shouldn't be "entertainment" at all, it should be a straight sports broadcast crammed with as much information about the game as you can cram in between plays. Nothing else. But since it's going to be "entertainment", trying to find something that offends nobody will bore everybody.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
I have no sympathy for any of the parties here.
Kimmel is not funny and was especially unfunny on Monday. ESPN is clueless and got its deserved comeuppance -- this is what can happen when you try to force "entertainment" onto a sports broadcast. At least Kimmel didn't have a wardrobe malfunction.
Kimmel is not funny and was especially unfunny on Monday. ESPN is clueless and got its deserved comeuppance -- this is what can happen when you try to force "entertainment" onto a sports broadcast. At least Kimmel didn't have a wardrobe malfunction.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
gkza
Footballguy
Kimmel works for ABC. ESPN is owned by ABC. This thing is so contrived that it is obvoious.
The worst thing about ESPN is how they blatanly insult our intelligence as if we didnt know the whole bit and staged "banning" (like anyone in management gave a hot f**k who got insulted) was a sham. It really is a shame that the marquee game (suposedly) has been reduced to corporate hookerism/MTV theatrics.
The guests they have on the show, musicians, production etc is ALL wrong. Do they even know their demographic? This is TV 101 and they are failing miserably....
The worst thing about ESPN is how they blatanly insult our intelligence as if we didnt know the whole bit and staged "banning" (like anyone in management gave a hot f**k who got insulted) was a sham. It really is a shame that the marquee game (suposedly) has been reduced to corporate hookerism/MTV theatrics.
The guests they have on the show, musicians, production etc is ALL wrong. Do they even know their demographic? This is TV 101 and they are failing miserably....
pollardsvision
Footballguy
ESPN is more designed for idiot sports fans and not for the hardcore sports fans, but i don't have any dislike towards them. they do what makes money and they are a 24-hour sports channel(s)/empire. i don't get "ESPN bashing". it's not perfect, but it was a pioneer. we don't have to love them, but we should be thankful. it's designed for mass appeal and obviously, that has it's drawbacks (like celebs in the booth). we'd all watch other channels if it were an option, but that's the point. they were the 1st and still the only channel to bring us sports all day long. they are starbucks/mcdonalds of sports media. if you want a gourmet meal, you'll have to go to other places, like footballguys.com. but it's still nice to know i can stop off on the highway and get a ####ty, yet somehow good, cheap burger.
they started this 24-hour sports coverage thing and got pretty good at making money at it along the way. if they felt like they could make more $ not being geared to the average idiot (and trying to get his wife, too), they'd do it.
they started this 24-hour sports coverage thing and got pretty good at making money at it along the way. if they felt like they could make more $ not being geared to the average idiot (and trying to get his wife, too), they'd do it.
Kimmel isn't know for his high- or even medium-brow humor, so it seems to me ESPN just reaped what it sowed. The problem is that they look like bigger schmucks by publicly condemning him than they would have by saying nothing and simply agreeing privately never to have him on again.
I'm sure Kimmel's reaction is, "did these guys never *once* see my schtick on the Fox Sunday pregame?"
As for calls for improvement, the problem is that the people who watch Monday Night Football are going to watch it no matter what the production values. Pressure will be brought to bear only when Neilsen monitors can detect whether someone is watching with the sound off, and enough people in the sample do that to make advertisers upset.
I'm sure Kimmel's reaction is, "did these guys never *once* see my schtick on the Fox Sunday pregame?"
As for calls for improvement, the problem is that the people who watch Monday Night Football are going to watch it no matter what the production values. Pressure will be brought to bear only when Neilsen monitors can detect whether someone is watching with the sound off, and enough people in the sample do that to make advertisers upset.
Jack Burton
Footballguy
Ghost Rider said:
Kimmel craps on everyone and everything, thats what makes Jimmy, Jimmy. He evens cuts down his own chick when he has her on his talk show. It all depends on whether you get his schtick or not.NYCGangGreen
Footballguy
Am I the only one who thinks that the people who say they actually mute the game is a whole lot of 
Am I to think you are highly evolved and are above actually listening to a broadcast?
Am I to think you are highly evolved and are above actually listening to a broadcast?
GregR_2
Footballguy
I've long been baffled by the zeal that some people seem to show for announcer bashing. Very very rarely have there been announcers who truly detracted from the game a significant amount. I've had to watch games muted on rare occassions for a short while, and it's horrible. You'd have to have Pee Wee Herman and Pauly Shore doing the announcing before it would be better having it muted.I don't know, maybe some people might feel a little superior by doing it. [/church lady voice] That's the only real reason I can come up with. I mean, take Theisman. I think he's a bit pompous and there are plenty of people I'd prefer over him. But he still brings insights that 99.99% of this board don't have and he's still better than silence. And I got more enjoyment out of hearing Paul Maguire needle him about his arrogance than I ever lost out of having to listen to him.Same thing with Madden. Yeah he's gotten older. But he's far from incompetent. And he still brings up detailed aspects of the game that you almost never hear out of any other commentator. Little details like how a particular instance of bad footwork led to a holding penalty. He knows the game inside and out and still shares more of that knowledge than anyone else out there. I consider us lucky to still have him around and not have slid to the point that Pat Summerall did before he retired.As for the topic in question... I can see thinking ESPN should have known better than to bring in Kimmel. But I can also see them thinking, "he's an employee of our company (if another division), and it's reasonable to expect him to behave in a manner appropriate for a football broadcast." I think the slams on Theisman are a little too mean-spirited for a football broadcast. I tuned into MNF, not to the Jimmy Kimmel show. If Kimmel isn't going to behave appropriate to the show he's appearing on, I agree they shouldn't ask him back. So I could fault them both, but won't give Kimmel a free pass on it just because it's what he normally says on a show with a different slant.Am I the only one who thinks that the people who say they actually mute the game is a whole lot of
Stealthycat
Footballguy
I liked Dennis Miller
mad sweeney
Footballguy
JK was not funny at all and was talking about stuff that just didn't belong in the broadcast. It seemed like he didn't want to be in there. Lose Kornheiser out of that booth and I'll gladly listen to Roseanne Barr rip on me for 5 minutes every broadcast.
spacevan
Footballguy
Kornheiser has to go!!! He is just awful. Is it just me or did ESPN purposely try to find the closest Howard Cosell imitator and throw him in there. I wish they would've let the old Sunday Night team take over on Monday night. That was the best team of commentators in a while. IMO
Kimmel is funny sometimes, but it's all ABC/ESPN's fault. What do you expect from Jimmy Kimmel? It's like if you stick your hand in the fire, wow that's kinda hot huh?I won't say NEVER, but I rarely find JK funny. Personally, I thought the whole thing was pretty tasteless and classless on his part. I do agree that ESPN has become a commercialized mega-giant, that has gotten way too big for it's britches. But I think they did the right thing in this case...I've NEVER found Kimmel funny and I think he made himself look like an idiot on MNF. 5 minutes talking about sports betting with the booth? Now there's some original material
Scruff Mcgruff
Footballguy
ESPN are a bunch of overly offended nitwits.
If he would have said the things he said at the roast for flavor flav, I'd understand though.
"You make chris benoit look like father of the year."
If he would have said the things he said at the roast for flavor flav, I'd understand though.
"You make chris benoit look like father of the year."
erymer
Footballguy
I could not agree more. I don't really have a problem with Kimmel or what he did. They should have expected something like that. This adding someone for comic relief really hasn't worked from day one. ie. Dennis Miller. I don't have a problem with any of these guys since they are just doing what they do best...which is tell bad jokes. I just think expecting great football commentary from them is asking too much. How about we just have 2 people that will talk about the game and whats going on around the league from a football standpoint. Jaws is great and he explains the ins and outs of the game very well. But then again I've really had a hard time MNF since it went to ESPN. I just don't find the product that good.Whats with the idea that you have to have a 3rd. Ive always liked jaws.
Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
Footballguy
Kimmel was hysterical. It's just a game.
I didn't think he was funny at all. I thought the whole booth was just uncomfortable the whole time he was in there. As to whose fault it is, I have to agree with the earlier poster that said both. ESPN has always been idiotic trying the guest schtick. But I won't give Kimmel a free pass. Yea, he's a comedian. Does that mean he has a free pass to say what he wants? Hardly. He is an adult and capable of rational thought. He should know what was expected of him, which was not to be a tool. You can be funny without slamming others, well, real comedians can. I guess it must be Kimmel's schtick and maybe he's a one trick pony. But I didn't think he was funny at all and the whole segment seemed like a disaster. Was what he said bad enough to ban him? I don't think so. But then again, if it keeps me from having to sit through another segment like that, then I'm all for it.
def2noiz
Footballguy
I am disgusted with the whole Monday night ESPN crew. Every time they say anything it is immediately wrong. Sometimes I think they are talking about a different sport. Sometimes they are! What the heck?! Like on Monday night when they were talking about how terrible Harrington was. I think they said "Atlanta's offense is totally dead now." IMMEDIATELY Harrington threw a 40 yd pass. They need to research the games a little more and actually give us some little known facts or something. Not have idiot guests come on and talk about issues that have nothing to do with the here and now. I keep thinking it will get better, or if enough people complain they will have them replaced. But EVERY Monday I find myself saying the same thing again and again. "These guys are idiots!!" They are lucky they have the right religion to get into Television broadcasting.
Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
Footballguy
Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
Footballguy
kevthegrad
Footballguy
Kimmel is great, a big football fan, and apparently (as I didn't see it myself) just said what the rest of America has been for years....on that note, anybody have a link to a transcript or video of *exactly* what was said? I've only heard it told by 3rd parties. I want to see it for myself.
Theisman is a hump.
Theisman is a hump.
Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
Footballguy
Of course they were uncomfortable, that's what made it funny. That's what Kimmel intended. He was there to make people laugh.Methinks you take your football/broadcasting a little too seriously. It's entertainment. It's not a presidential debate.
3C's
Footballguy
T Man
Footballguy
Everyone seems to think that it was the comments about Theismann that got him banned. I am not so sure. Theismann is small potatoes.
While the NFL secretly loves betting, they do not want to be publicly associated with gambling. That is taboo. Kimmell starts talking about gambling and betting on football on an MNF football telecast.
I think the almighty NFL told ESPN that it can't happen again and that they must do something.
Just my thoughts.
While the NFL secretly loves betting, they do not want to be publicly associated with gambling. That is taboo. Kimmell starts talking about gambling and betting on football on an MNF football telecast.
I think the almighty NFL told ESPN that it can't happen again and that they must do something.
Just my thoughts.
Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
Footballguy
I agree. Theisman means nothing to them. League image, everything.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Yeah, but it wasn't funny. I've worked on the JK show, hell I was coming out of the hospital in a wheelchair when his chick pulled up to Cedars Sinai with JK needing an apendectomy and he said something funny to the parking attendant. But he was completely slack and unfunny in the booth. He talked about uncomfortable subjects (Theisman gone, betting) and had no delivery. Although I absolutely love THeisman getting raked over the coals whenever possible, Kimmel was just not funny whatsoever. And Kornheiser jumped in (like the wannabe lap dog he is) and made a joke about Theisman and betting too. Where's the ban for him?
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mad sweeney
Footballguy
Don't you ever say that about Jaws again!
The mistake isn't bringing JK on its bringing anybody on. It is disgusting to watch every week they parade some fool on for a lame ### interview. If I want to watch Adam Sandler talk about his new movie I'll watch Oprah this is football for cryingout loud. The camera work is awful, even if they have an interview I shouldn't have to see it show me the darn field, not the stands, not the cheerleaders and rarely the sidlines. I want to see the team huddle, the substitutions etc. These games make me want to thow up. If they are goign to show sideline shots it better be something worth watching like a wr chewing out the coach and having to be restrained, other than that show me the game.
Wow, you may have just set the record for level of "wrongness." I don't take announcing to seriously. I hardly pay attention to it at all. For the most part, I could care less who is in the booth. Have you seen me pat any of the announcers on the back or complain about any of them at all? Nope. Nor will you find a post where I have. The fact is, Kimmel WASN'T funny to me. He was just as uncomfortable with the whole thing as the announcers were. It was just forced and out of place.
Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
Footballguy
Okay. You win.
The Jerk
Footballguy
Producers have been trying to form a booth with the same dynamic as the trio of Cosell, Gifford and Meredith. Supposedly they have been looking for wit and broader pop culture observation than necessarily comic relief.In either case, it has failed, and badly. First, because Cosell was a unique lightning rod personality and had the ego, if not the personal, of a rock star. Second, because the booth dynamics were organic, or at least appeared to be not as contrived as these latest efforts. Also, it was a vastly different TV, sports, and football landscape back in the 1970s. Pro football was replacing baseball as the most popular sport throughout the decade. There was only one prime time pro game per week, and no college football games on every night of the week. There was no ESPN. Monday Night Football was an event certainly beyond football and at least a little bit beyond sports itself.erymer said:
