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Who does Forte remind you of? (1 Viewer)

big_donkey

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He seem to have all the tools to be a great all-around RB for many years to come. I just can't seem to peg what active or retired player he reminds me of.

Thoughts?

and yes I know there is a Forte thread already, but I don't want to look through 200 post to see if someone commented on this.

PEACE

 
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Matt Forte reminds me of a young Edgerrin James. He's the epitome of a workhorse running back just like Edge was. He's just as active in the passing game as he is in the running game just like Edge was. Just imagine what kind of numbers he'd be putting up if he played behind an offensive line that was actually any good.

 
He's a taller back who makes quick cuts.

The closest thing I can think of is Peterson with less burst and speed.

 
He's a taller back who makes quick cuts. The closest thing I can think of is Peterson with less burst and speed.
Wow, thats a long way from these guys:
However, is there any reason to believe he's better than Chris Brown, Michael Bennett, Anthony Thomas, DeShaun Foster and Justin Fargas? I don't see one.
Those guys had pretty good careers relative to the average NFL tailback. A-Train was a ROY winner and a two-time 1,000 yard rusher. Bennett, Brown, and Fargas have all had a 1,000 yard rushing season. Foster eclipsed the 850 yard three times for the Panthers. We think of these guys as mediocre players now that they're mostly playing supporting roles, but they all had their moments. Many of them were high dynasty picks at one point or another in their careers. The FF community has a tendency to get overly excited about young players who show promise. We've seen it in recent years with guys like Julius Jones, Kevin Jones, Cadillac Williams, Anthony Thomas, Lee Suggs, Laurence Maroney, and Chris Brown. All of them were gushed over and anointed as the next great thing. Is Forte the next in a long line of overhyped youngsters or is he another legitimate starting caliber talent like Lynch and ADP? There's no way to know for sure. We've seen guys burst onto the scene like this and then fizzle. That's why I tend to err towards skepticism unless I'm totally sold on someone. Forte is gradually earning my respect, but I wouldn't pick him with a top 10 dynasty pick yet. And if you're going to stalk me and give me grief for my comments about Forte, you might as well do the same for every other poster who doubted him. I had Forte at RB6 in my final rookie rankings, which is exactly where the NFL scouts had him (he was the 6th RB drafted). He slipped to 1.04-1.06 in most of my drafts and I don't recall many people saying they would've picked him in the top 3. Lots of people missed the boat on him. In fact, most people missed the boat on him. It's easy to play psychic in hindsight. Those of us who offer our opinions to the public expose ourselves to a certain amount of ridicule when we're wrong. That's just part of the hobby. I just try to learn from mistakes and do better the next time out.
 
Some of you guys are giving Forte way too much credit.

He is an above average running back who currently has a lot of the offense running through him. He is like Duce Staley in his glory days!

 
Some of you guys are giving Forte way too much credit.He is an above average running back who currently has a lot of the offense running through him. He is like Duce Staley in his glory days!
That may well be the case. I'm pretty sure he leads all NFL RBs in touches. Virtually any mediocre or better RB will put up good FF stats if he gets 25 touches every week. What I want to know is whether or not Forte can hold down that kind of role long term. I don't see any reason to expect imminent change, but things move quickly in the NFL.
 
Some of you guys are giving Forte way too much credit.He is an above average running back who currently has a lot of the offense running through him. He is like Duce Staley in his glory days!
That may well be the case. I'm pretty sure he leads all NFL RBs in touches. Virtually any mediocre or better RB will put up good FF stats if he gets 25 touches every week. What I want to know is whether or not Forte can hold down that kind of role long term. I don't see any reason to expect imminent change, but things move quickly in the NFL.
There were 3 seasons where Duce Staley had about 1500 combined yards. Fantasy wise that is very impressive but will Duce Staley go down in history as a great running back? I doubt it and I also doubt Forte will.
 
He's a taller back who makes quick cuts.

The closest thing I can think of is Peterson with less burst and speed.
Wow, thats a long way from these guys:
However, is there any reason to believe he's better than Chris Brown, Michael Bennett, Anthony Thomas, DeShaun Foster and Justin Fargas? I don't see one.
Those guys had pretty good careers relative to the average NFL tailback. A-Train was a ROY winner and a two-time 1,000 yard rusher. Bennett, Brown, and Fargas have all had a 1,000 yard rushing season. Foster eclipsed the 850 yard three times for the Panthers. We think of these guys as mediocre players now that they're mostly playing supporting roles, but they all had their moments. Many of them were high dynasty picks at one point or another in their careers. The FF community has a tendency to get overly excited about young players who show promise. We've seen it in recent years with guys like Julius Jones, Kevin Jones, Cadillac Williams, Anthony Thomas, Lee Suggs, Laurence Maroney, and Chris Brown. All of them were gushed over and anointed as the next great thing. Is Forte the next in a long line of overhyped youngsters or is he another legitimate starting caliber talent like Lynch and ADP? There's no way to know for sure. We've seen guys burst onto the scene like this and then fizzle. That's why I tend to err towards skepticism unless I'm totally sold on someone. Forte is gradually earning my respect, but I wouldn't pick him with a top 10 dynasty pick yet.

And if you're going to stalk me and give me grief for my comments about Forte, you might as well do the same for every other poster who doubted him. I had Forte at RB6 in my final rookie rankings, which is exactly where the NFL scouts had him (he was the 6th RB drafted). He slipped to 1.04-1.06 in most of my drafts and I don't recall many people saying they would've picked him in the top 3. Lots of people missed the boat on him. In fact, most people missed the boat on him.

It's easy to play psychic in hindsight. Those of us who offer our opinions to the public expose ourselves to a certain amount of ridicule when we're wrong. That's just part of the hobby. I just try to learn from mistakes and do better the next time out.
You are the only one who went from comparing him to Chris Brown to Adrian Peterson.Funny you mention stalking, i cant say anything positive about Mcfadden without you bumping it after he has a bad game or gets hurt.

We obviously judge talent differently. I prefer Slaton, Forte, Mcfadden and CJ over Mendenhall and Rice despite their BMI's, you feel differently, lets leave it at that.

 
Some of you guys are giving Forte way too much credit.He is an above average running back who currently has a lot of the offense running through him. He is like Duce Staley in his glory days!
That may well be the case. I'm pretty sure he leads all NFL RBs in touches. Virtually any mediocre or better RB will put up good FF stats if he gets 25 touches every week. What I want to know is whether or not Forte can hold down that kind of role long term. I don't see any reason to expect imminent change, but things move quickly in the NFL.
There were 3 seasons where Duce Staley had about 1500 combined yards. Fantasy wise that is very impressive but will Duce Staley go down in history as a great running back? I doubt it and I also doubt Forte will.
I'm not sure that you're right, but I'm not sure that you're wrong either. Forte is a bit of a compiler. He doesn't always dominate or look great, but at the end of the game he always finishes with good stats because he gets so many opportunities. At the same time, I think you have to give him some credit. He may not be Adrian Peterson, but I don't think he's Anthony Thomas either. He appears to be a fairly good player. Then again, Ladell Betts and Mewelde Moore are also fairly good players.This is why I suggested selling high on Forte and why I don't think it was necessarily a bad suggestion. There's a lot of uncertainty with unproven players. In dynasty leagues, I usually try to move from uncertainty ---> certainty. So I might look to trade Forte for someone like MJD since I'm more certain that MJD isn't a fluke.
 
You are the only one who went from comparing him to Chris Brown to Adrian Peterson.
The gap between Chris Brown and "Adrian Peterson with less burst and speed" really isn't that huge. For what it's worth, Brown also had a sensational first year as a starter.

Funny you mention stalking, i cant say anything positive about Mcfadden without you bumping it after he has a bad game or gets hurt.
Everyone knows that I rip on McFadden indiscriminately. You just happened to take it personally, so now you haunt my posts and constantly bring up Mendenhall, BMI, etc.
We obviously judge talent differently. I prefer Slaton, Forte, Mcfadden and CJ over Mendenhall and Rice despite their BMI's, you feel differently, lets leave it at that.
Anyone who ranks rookies is going to have his fair share of hits and misses. It's easy to play hindsight psychic, but I watched Chris Johnson, Matt Forte, and Steve Slaton fall in a lot of my drafts. None of them went higher than 1.04 in any of my leagues, so if you're going to criticize me for being high on guys like Mendenhall, Felix, and Stewart then you might as well criticize the entire FF community (and the front offices of the Carolina Panthers, Dallas Cowboys, and Pittsburgh Steelers).
 
You are the only one who went from comparing him to Chris Brown to Adrian Peterson.
The gap between Chris Brown and "Adrian Peterson with less burst and speed" really isn't that huge. For what it's worth, Brown also had a sensational first year as a starter.

Funny you mention stalking, i cant say anything positive about Mcfadden without you bumping it after he has a bad game or gets hurt.
Everyone knows that I rip on McFadden indiscriminately. You just happened to take it personally, so now you haunt my posts and constantly bring up Mendenhall, BMI, etc.
I could not possibly bring up Mendenhall and BMI as much as you did in the offseason. We had that BMI theory rammed down our throats all offseason. Sorry that you dont like getting called on it, but fact is you were as wrong as can be, well to this point anyway.
 
Matt Forte is on pace for over 1800 total yards and over 14 touchdowns. Duce Staley never came close to those numbers in his career especially as a rookie. That's a bad comparison.

 
You are the only one who went from comparing him to Chris Brown to Adrian Peterson.
The gap between Chris Brown and "Adrian Peterson with less burst and speed" really isn't that huge. For what it's worth, Brown also had a sensational first year as a starter.
:lol: Brown was a good RB when healthy. His 1st year starting, he had 113 total yards per game and a 4.9 rushing average. They're not the same player, but there are similarities.

 
Of the player comparisons mentioned in this thread so far I think Forte most reminds me of Marcus Allen.

Obviously he is a rookie and does not have the savy that Marcus had as an older player. What I find similar are his build and running style. Marcus was a very agile player, I see some of that in Forte also. Probably not as much. Forte has more speed and burst than I remember Allen having, but again I did not see much of Marcus when he was younger and splitting time with Bo Jackson.

I think the Edge comparison was a pretty good one also but Forte doesen't get small the way that Edge does running low with his head down. Forte does have great hands, runs good routes and has plenty of agility to catch the ball naturaly and in stride. He has more power than you might think when looking at his build also.

Most of my observations of Forte come from last night. The Vikings are very hard to run on. Forte showed some good power to fight for an extra yard or 2 and push the pile. Not many RB's do that well against the Vikings. He also has some sick agility to find creases and shift sideways without losing acceleration.

Maybe it is just because he was wearing a Bears uniform, but he does also remind me of Neal Anderson. Who in my opinion was a very talented RB and very well rounded in his skill set.

Forte is a really good player and the real deal. For those of you still doubting him I think you should try to clear your head and take another un-biased look.

AD has sick talent for a RB and no way does Forte have the same power and raw physical talent that AD has. But even still there were a few times during the game that I wondered if Forte might not be the better RB because of how complete and well rounded his game is. Which kind of brings me back to the Marcus Allen comparison again. AD being somewhat similar to Bo Jackson and Forte being similar to Marcus.

In any case Forte is really good and that is all that matters. I wouldn't hesitate to build a new dynasty team around Forte.

 
Is Forte a first round pick next year? dude looks like he has all the tools. And is a solid PPR back.

I have debated this with some of my league mates, how high is too high? top 10? top 12? TOP 5 ?!?!?

 
Is Forte a first round pick next year? dude looks like he has all the tools. And is a solid PPR back. I have debated this with some of my league mates, how high is too high? top 10? top 12? TOP 5 ?!?!?
Too many variables to say right now. If that line looks improved, he could easily jump to top ten status. Top five seems a bit high, but not impossible.ETA: Oh...and mark down another Marcus Allen vote.
 
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You are the only one who went from comparing him to Chris Brown to Adrian Peterson.
The gap between Chris Brown and "Adrian Peterson with less burst and speed" really isn't that huge. For what it's worth, Brown also had a sensational first year as a starter.

Funny you mention stalking, i cant say anything positive about Mcfadden without you bumping it after he has a bad game or gets hurt.
Everyone knows that I rip on McFadden indiscriminately. You just happened to take it personally, so now you haunt my posts and constantly bring up Mendenhall, BMI, etc.
We obviously judge talent differently. I prefer Slaton, Forte, Mcfadden and CJ over Mendenhall and Rice despite their BMI's, you feel differently, lets leave it at that.
Anyone who ranks rookies is going to have his fair share of hits and misses. It's easy to play hindsight psychic, but I watched Chris Johnson, Matt Forte, and Steve Slaton fall in a lot of my drafts. None of them went higher than 1.04 in any of my leagues, so if you're going to criticize me for being high on guys like Mendenhall, Felix, and Stewart then you might as well criticize the entire FF community (and the front offices of the Carolina Panthers, Dallas Cowboys, and Pittsburgh Steelers).
Sure, hindsight is 20/20. But if the same hindsight isn't applied to the evaluation methods (and adjusted as needed), then you'll continue to miss out on the Fortes, the CJ3s, etc. Everyone's wrong sometimes; there's the stubborn wrong that I try to avoid, because that's often a repeat offender.The entire FF community didn't miss out on these players. And to compare the FF community to actual NFL front offices is, well, laughable.

 
Of the player comparisons mentioned in this thread so far I think Forte most reminds me of Marcus Allen.

Obviously he is a rookie and does not have the savy that Marcus had as an older player. What I find similar are his build and running style. Marcus was a very agile player, I see some of that in Forte also. Probably not as much. Forte has more speed and burst than I remember Allen having, but again I did not see much of Marcus when he was younger and splitting time with Bo Jackson.

I think the Edge comparison was a pretty good one also but Forte doesen't get small the way that Edge does running low with his head down. Forte does have great hands, runs good routes and has plenty of agility to catch the ball naturaly and in stride. He has more power than you might think when looking at his build also.

Most of my observations of Forte come from last night. The Vikings are very hard to run on. Forte showed some good power to fight for an extra yard or 2 and push the pile. Not many RB's do that well against the Vikings. He also has some sick agility to find creases and shift sideways without losing acceleration.

Maybe it is just because he was wearing a Bears uniform, but he does also remind me of Neal Anderson. Who in my opinion was a very talented RB and very well rounded in his skill set.

Forte is a really good player and the real deal. For those of you still doubting him I think you should try to clear your head and take another un-biased look.

AD has sick talent for a RB and no way does Forte have the same power and raw physical talent that AD has. But even still there were a few times during the game that I wondered if Forte might not be the better RB because of how complete and well rounded his game is. Which kind of brings me back to the Marcus Allen comparison again. AD being somewhat similar to Bo Jackson and Forte being similar to Marcus.

In any case Forte is really good and that is all that matters. I wouldn't hesitate to build a new dynasty team around Forte.
Very good point...That TD reception Forte had last night most likely wouldn't even be considered an option for ADP.

 
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Is Forte a first round pick next year? dude looks like he has all the tools. And is a solid PPR back. I have debated this with some of my league mates, how high is too high? top 10? top 12? TOP 5 ?!?!?
In a PPR format I'd say he's a first round pick. Right now he's the #1 back in our league.
 
Last night, I was thinking of Chuck Foreman. Yet, the Otis Anderson and Eddie George references are likely closer. He would be fortunate to have the career of either player.

 
Dickerson with better hands
Dickerson had better everything -- He was likley the most exciting rusher I have ever seen. Dickerson, Faulk, and Sanders each had a WOW factor that Forte lacks. But that's fine, those three were certainly the amoung the better players of their era. Forte can stand proud that he has a wonderful future ahead of him.
 
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Ricky Watters, Dorsey Levens, and/or Joseph Addai.

Matt Forte doesn't have game-breaking speed but he has great hands, is above average at picking up the blitz, and is shifty getting through the hole. He's not a bruiser, so he isn't an ideal goal-line back but he's good enough to usually get the job done in short yardage situations.

 
People should not underestimate how mediocre/bad the Bears O-line is.... I think Forte is doing quite well given the talent/lack thereof that surrounds him.

 
He's pretty damn good...Eddie George/Ricky Watters/poor man's Dickerson are decent comparisons...and considering the sorry state of the Bears line, I've been impressed. On the other hand, I doubt he is long for the league due to his size/past knee injury(although he is one of the better RB's in terms of avoiding big hits)

He should be a lock for the #6-12 pick next season. Good talent + Chicago RB usually equals solid and consistent fantasy production. I wouldn't be shocked if he finishes in the top 3 due to his receiving ability.

 
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Ricky Watters, Dorsey Levens, and/or Joseph Addai.Matt Forte doesn't have game-breaking speed but he has great hands, is above average at picking up the blitz, and is shifty getting through the hole. He's not a bruiser, so he isn't an ideal goal-line back but he's good enough to usually get the job done in short yardage situations.
:goodposting: Watters and Levens were my first reactions as well.
 
Guys, this discussion is simple.

MATT FORTE is really just.... DOMINACK DAVIS in disguise (or whatever his name is now). (just much taller)

Remember ol Dom Davis? Tons of touches, tons of receptions, TDs, etc... He was a fantasy BEAST. He wasn't an ELITE talent, just in a GREAT situation where the system asks alot of the position.

I think the difference is Forte really might be capable of handling the touches.

 
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xenith said:
Eddie George
That's what I was thinking. Curtis Martin as well - though not in stature. Not the fastest, not the most powerful, not the quickest. But possessing a great work ethic, good instincts and enough "all-around" talent to put up good stats when enough offense is routed through him.I don't see him being a perennial top 5 RB but I see him being a perennial top 10 as long as the offensive scheme runs through him. I wonder if an upgrade in QB and WR's might hurt him though if it takes touches away.But like someone else said, when a RB can consistently get 20-25 touches per game, some decent numbers are going to follow regardless of how talented the RB is.
 

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