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Who gets Andrew Luck in 2012 if he declares? (1 Viewer)
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
My crystal ball is telling me that Carolina will be picking #1 overall for a second straight year.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Voted Buffalo.
gandalas
Footballguy
Yes, me as well. They are just consistently bad, and I don't see this draft fixing much. Carolina is the Runner-up for me, but it is fairly uncommon for a team to finish last 2 years in a row, so I held that against them.
EBF
Footballguy
I think it will be a team with no QB that plays in a tough division. The obvious candidates include:
Buffalo
Miami
Cleveland
Cincinnati
Oakland
Denver
Tennessee
Washington
Minnesota
Carolina
If Buffalo keeps Fitzpatrick and Miami keeps Henne, I figure those guys will play well enough to win a few games. Ditto Denver if Orton stays. The Raiders should be pretty bad, but KC and Denver are soft spots in the division and Campbell is competent enough to win a few games. Washington seems like the kind of team that will always win about 5-8 games, so they're probably a longshot. The main reason they're on my list is because their division should be brutal.
Trimming some of the longshots off the list leaves the following teams:
Cleveland
Minnesota
Carolina
Tennessee
This is my top four. Cleveland could be decent depending on McCoy. The other three teams are in big trouble. They have no quarterback. The Vikings still have some talent on defense and offense, but the Panthers and Titans are pretty depleted. I think it will be especially tough for them because the other tree teams in their division are all potential playoff contenders.
Buffalo
Miami
Cleveland
Cincinnati
Oakland
Denver
Tennessee
Washington
Minnesota
Carolina
If Buffalo keeps Fitzpatrick and Miami keeps Henne, I figure those guys will play well enough to win a few games. Ditto Denver if Orton stays. The Raiders should be pretty bad, but KC and Denver are soft spots in the division and Campbell is competent enough to win a few games. Washington seems like the kind of team that will always win about 5-8 games, so they're probably a longshot. The main reason they're on my list is because their division should be brutal.
Trimming some of the longshots off the list leaves the following teams:
Cleveland
Minnesota
Carolina
Tennessee
This is my top four. Cleveland could be decent depending on McCoy. The other three teams are in big trouble. They have no quarterback. The Vikings still have some talent on defense and offense, but the Panthers and Titans are pretty depleted. I think it will be especially tough for them because the other tree teams in their division are all potential playoff contenders.
BeaverCleaver
Footballguy
The Bears.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
This is a good breakdown but I still think you need to put Buffalo in that last group. Carolina had a year where everything went wrong, but they actually do have a decent OL when healthy, they have solid RB's, and a good defense. Cleveland has a solid OL and a good/great running game. Tennessee has decent pieces on offense and defense. Buffalo has nothing going for them on offense or defense beyond a plucky backup QB and a #2 WR. The cupboard is bare.
DoubleG
Footballguy
Packer Backer say what?
Don't worry, maybe we'll let you win the division next year. You do of course realize that the Bears have won the division 3 out of the last 6 years right? FYI, that's about 3 more times than the Packers did in that same span. Or in that 6 year span the worst they've ever finished is 7-9? (The Packers worst record is 6-10 in that same 6 year span).
BeaverCleaver
Footballguy
I knew that would'd be the first to bite on that.Packer Backer say what?
DoubleG
Footballguy
The only reason I did was to jump at the opportunity to remind everyone about the Bears dominance in the division recently. I've been waiting to point that out all week.I knew that would'd be the first to bite on that.Packer Backer say what?Don't worry, maybe we'll let you win the division next year. You do of course realize that the Bears have won the division 3 out of the last 6 years right? FYI, that's about 3 more times than the Packers did in that same span. Or in that 6 year span the worst they've ever finished is 7-9? (The Packers worst record is 6-10 in that same 6 year span).
Stinger Ray
Footballguy
All I know is that the Packers are in the Super Bowl and the Bears aren't.Packer Backer say what?
BeaverCleaver
Footballguy
A lot of good that did getting the Bears to the Super Bowl this year.The only reason I did was to jump at the opportunity to remind everyone about the Bears dominance in the division recently. I've been waiting to point that out all week.I knew that would'd be the first to bite on that.Packer Backer say what?
Stinger Ray
Footballguy
A lot of good that did getting the Bears to the Super Bowl this year.The only reason I did was to jump at the opportunity to remind everyone about the Bears dominance in the division recently. I've been waiting to point that out all week.I knew that would'd be the first to bite on that.Packer Backer say what?
The great thing about last Sunday is no matter what Bears fans spew out Packer fans have that trump card. 
And why is Luck automattically the first pick?
How many player that were locks for #1 overall same back and wern't close the next season? a lot. Bradford was the exception even though he was injured he went #1 in a very weak draft and a desperate team for a QB picking first. Had the Rams even had a decent QB no chance Bradford goes first. Luck is a great QB but he gets inured or his stats go the other way especially without his coach he isn't the lock anymore.
How many player that were locks for #1 overall same back and wern't close the next season? a lot. Bradford was the exception even though he was injured he went #1 in a very weak draft and a desperate team for a QB picking first. Had the Rams even had a decent QB no chance Bradford goes first. Luck is a great QB but he gets inured or his stats go the other way especially without his coach he isn't the lock anymore.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
A list of 12 teams and I don't see the Detroit Lions on it. That in itself is progress.
Restore the Roar
Restore the Roar
Stinger Ray
Footballguy
David Yudkin
Footballguy
For those just blurting out teams, please explain if that team is trading up to get him or if they will be putrid enough to draft him.
Phlash
Footballguy
Can't see that happening. They at least have a running game and a solid pass defense which should be good for 5-6 wins, especially if their QB (whoever it is) next year improves from last year. I'd say the 49ers have a better chance of sucking it up hard this year.
Dr. Gobbler
Footballguy
I disagree. I really think Buffalo/Gailey goes after Cam Newton this year.They want to fill seats.
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bulger2holt
Footballguy
Carolina 0-16
Fensalk
Footballguy
Fun fact: the last team the Lions beat in the playoffs was the Aikman-Smith-Irvin Cowboys in 1991.
mcjc4
Footballguy
As a AZ season ticket holder, If the Cardinals do not make a move for Orton,Kobb,Mcnabb or V. Young this team could lose 13 games next year. They led the league in non offensive TD's. I do not see them repeating that stat, it kept them in some games they should have lost. Oakland had them beat and Seabass hooks a 35 yrd FG left as time expires.
There is no offense to speak of. The secondary has to cover guys forever because they have no pass rush to speak of. Dockett is double teamed on every play, this years 1st round pick DT Williams can't make weight to play some games.
As bad as the NFC West is, we aren't as good as any team in our own pathetic division.
WOW, maybe a lockout isn't a bad option for us next year.
There is no offense to speak of. The secondary has to cover guys forever because they have no pass rush to speak of. Dockett is double teamed on every play, this years 1st round pick DT Williams can't make weight to play some games.
As bad as the NFC West is, we aren't as good as any team in our own pathetic division.
WOW, maybe a lockout isn't a bad option for us next year.
H8fulHuck
Footballguy
New England Patriots - In a strike year with no football. BB has the smarts to throw whatever portion of the season played with scabs. (if this is even an option in 2011-12) You know damn well whatever team even wins the SB in a strike year will have a big "*" next to it. BB can always trade either Luck or Tom Brady for more than the cost to pick Luck #1.
Barring a lockout - My heart says Arizona. It's sad to see a team collapse like they did after losing just 1 player. Time to CLEAN HOUSE at the QB position.
Barring a lockout - My heart says Arizona. It's sad to see a team collapse like they did after losing just 1 player. Time to CLEAN HOUSE at the QB position.
Eric Stratton
Footballguy
Damn
onlyseventeenpoints?
Footballguy
It's easy to see them completely imploding.
onlyseventeenpoints?
Footballguy
no good reason for this stuffA lot of good that did getting the Bears to the Super Bowl this year.The only reason I did was to jump at the opportunity to remind everyone about the Bears dominance in the division recently. I've been waiting to point that out all week.I knew that would'd be the first to bite on that.Packer Backer say what?
Eric Stratton
Footballguy
Lighten up, Francis.
FUBAR
Footballguy
The Titans schedule actually looks pretty tough.Titans have, at home: Houston Texans, Indianapolis Colts, Jacksonville Jaguars, Cincinnati Bengals, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Baltimore Ravens, New Orleans Saints and Denver Broncos.Away games against the Texans, Colts, Jaguars, Pittsburgh Steelers, Carolina Panthers, Cleveland Browns, Atlanta Falcons and Buffalo BillsNot the toughest I guess, but only 6 games against weaker teams. They could easily be 3-13 next year.I voted Panthers but the Titans have a good chance unless their HC gets the team together quick (lockout?) and IMO VY gives the team the best chance to be decent. But, they could also draft Gabbert this year which could screw things up even if they did get the #1 pick.
I felt like Finnegan stunk many times this year. A top CB splits the field for passing plays and changes so much. I don't even think it's debatable that he wasn't a top CB this past season. I still have major issues with the CB opposite him and it infuriates me that the Titans have made filling one spot seem so difficult. Spend some money, sign a name and move on. Draft a top CB and move on. I mean it's just so ridiculous to have such quality throughout a secondary and one (almost) vacant spot makes it seem like they stink. I watch on TV and almost feel embarrassed for their D when a QB throws at will to one spot. I can only imagine what it's like as a player. Clearly the Titans got the wrong McCourty. The ballhawk they drafted last year could be a fun nickel back. Get that spot filled already!And LB...I don't like em'. This used to be a prideful position for the Titans and some Sundays I wish they'd cut everyone and start anew. I mean you see the DL stand everyone up and then there's like this pause and Hope or Griffin makes a play. Where were the LBs? Why are the S making so many plays in the run game? They have a good DL and have last year's first rounder to add to the mix this year after injury. A quality OL, a RB that can play at a "best ever" caliber at times, a young WR with ginormous potential, who knows what Moss will do now, quality TEs. Some has beens and decent rooks at WR but they should be able to fill that in OK as long as Britt's and the TEs get much of the work. I think the Titans have a good team. I think the love for Fisher has many thinking they're hiring Ray Handley or Rick Kotite to replace him and that's just gotta wear off before people accept his replacement.The holes I mentioned can be dealt with with a reasonable offseason.As I understand it-Vince will be gone. Kerry and Simms are done at the turn of the new CBA year. If true, then Rusty Smith is their only QB. I can't stand his play. It's so pathetic. I think Fisher should have been fired for Rusty Smith. I think the whole scouting department and maybe even the GM should have. The QB coach should be suspended from working in the NFL for a few years. Craig Johnson probably ran to the Vikings so he wouldn't have to be switched back to QB coach and coach Rusty. The guy is just so bad. Maybe it's because I believed any positive spin they said and then saw him on TV that it makes me bitter but geesh is he bad.If they have no QB or a bad QB then I'd be willing to chalk them up to 0-16, nevermind 3-13. QB is just too important to a team's success that that is probably going to tell us all we need to know. If they get a decent QB then...nah I don't think they'll be the worst. Their lines, Finnegan and CJ should be good enough to stop that from happening.
Lash
Footballguy
yeah i placed that disclaimer in the OP with the "Locker-like post #1-hype" statementwe are treating this poll as if he DOES remain the consensus #1
i find it interesting that alot of the teams that TEN is "battling" with for #1 overall they play on road (Carolina, Cleveland, Buffalo) and although i know #1 isn't decided by head to head it is still "opportunity" for a full game swing each of those weeks
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Buffalo won't be #1 overall bad. Fitzpatrick became a viable NFL QB under Gailey and will go into 2011 with a year of Gailey's system under his belt. They have a lot of young WRs that made a lot of strides and look lime they could be a pretty decent overall group. Bell at LT played pretty well there this past season as did Levitre and Wood at the Guard positions. Hangartner was ok at Center although Wood played so well there that they may end up moving Wood there and looking for a new RG. The RT position was terrible all year.
Where the team really struggled was on defense. The LBers are awful and everyone outside of Kyle Williams on the D-line was average or worse. Speaking of Williams, ProFootballFocus ranked Williams as their #1 overall defensive player for 2010. The guy is a flat out beast. If Buffalo can add a decent pass rusher in the draft (which they should be able to do at #3), and Merriman can remain healthy, their defensive front 7 could be a lot better.
In the secondary, Terrance McGee only started 4 or 5 games and that was a problem since they were already thin at the CB position. Donte Whitner was his usual mediocre self and Byrd just didn't create turnovers like he did his rookie season. A lot of questions for the Buffalo secondary.
Next year they should have an easier schedule. They had the 2nd most difficult schedule last year which has become par for the course for them. I think that makes 4 or 5 years in a row where they've had a schedule in the top 5 for difficulty. Playing the Patriots and Jets twice every year will pretty much put them in the middle of the pack, but they should get the AFC West and NFC East this year. The Eagles and Chargers are tough, but after that there should be some winnable games there.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see Luck in a Bills uniform throwing to Stevie Johnson and David Nelson, but I don't think it's going to happen. I think the Niners, Cards, Bengals, Seahawks, Redskins, Panthers and maybe even the Vikings are in worse shape than the Bills.
Where the team really struggled was on defense. The LBers are awful and everyone outside of Kyle Williams on the D-line was average or worse. Speaking of Williams, ProFootballFocus ranked Williams as their #1 overall defensive player for 2010. The guy is a flat out beast. If Buffalo can add a decent pass rusher in the draft (which they should be able to do at #3), and Merriman can remain healthy, their defensive front 7 could be a lot better.
In the secondary, Terrance McGee only started 4 or 5 games and that was a problem since they were already thin at the CB position. Donte Whitner was his usual mediocre self and Byrd just didn't create turnovers like he did his rookie season. A lot of questions for the Buffalo secondary.
Next year they should have an easier schedule. They had the 2nd most difficult schedule last year which has become par for the course for them. I think that makes 4 or 5 years in a row where they've had a schedule in the top 5 for difficulty. Playing the Patriots and Jets twice every year will pretty much put them in the middle of the pack, but they should get the AFC West and NFC East this year. The Eagles and Chargers are tough, but after that there should be some winnable games there.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see Luck in a Bills uniform throwing to Stevie Johnson and David Nelson, but I don't think it's going to happen. I think the Niners, Cards, Bengals, Seahawks, Redskins, Panthers and maybe even the Vikings are in worse shape than the Bills.
eakfootball
Footballguy
I think it will be Buffalo. I dont see why people are hating on Miami this much. I think they surprise people and have a 7-9 finish.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Tennessee or Arizona
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I agree.BusterTBronco said:
Abrantes
Footballguy
Really?
Lash
Footballguy
Wow the Panthers are winning the poll and i started not to even put Carolina as an option because Luck would just go back to school again wouldn't he?
so it'd have to be 3 straight #1 picks for Carolina to have a shot cause if he wanted carolina he would gone this year?
so it'd have to be 3 straight #1 picks for Carolina to have a shot cause if he wanted carolina he would gone this year?
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