Who had the best draft (1 Viewer)

[adrenaline]

I had to go with Denver because of Walker as well. They got what some people think is the best rookie QB & Walker which IMO is better than any of the rookie WRs.

 

[TLEF316]

i liked some of what the jets did, but i hate how they reached for guys just because they fit the system that mangini is trying to implement. Drafting like the pats isnt gonna help us beat them, because they have a head start and they'll just do it better.

Ferguson- love the pick. Didnt want leinert

Mangold- i like him alot. He should be our center for a long time. However, it does hurt to take a center at 29 only to see Eslinger come off the board 5 rounds later. The diference is not that great IMO.

Clemens- he was obviously the target, and we added a 2nd rounder by trading down for him. I havent seen him play, so i cant pass judgement.

Schlegal- smart and good intanglibles, but this was a reach. Could have had him later

eric smith :X darnell bing and ko simpson are on the board and they take this guy. At least a 3 round reach and injury history to boot. Awful. This ruined the draft for me

I like the brad smith pick, and Leon washington could find a role

I would have liked to see us take a run at Rod wright or Max Gean Giles on day 2. Both have big upside and would have filled a need. Fred Matua would have been a nice pickup in the 6th.

voted eagles. they cleaned up

 

[Rhino]

I think the Broncos are getting way too much credit for pulling that trade for Walker. Sure, it has potential to be big. But the facts are, in his first two seasons in Green Bay, Walker was a non-factor. He had a magic season in 2004, and then gets hurt in the first week of 2005. This is a guy who hasn't played a down of football since in almost 18 months, and hasn't shown that he's anything more than a one year wonder.

I'm not saying Walker isn't any good, or that 2004 was a fluke. But he's not much more proven than most of the college players in the draft this season. The fact is, he had ZERO intention of playing for the Packers this year. He was only going to be a distraction to that team. I say, Kudos to the Packers for actually getting rid of him and getting something for him. That's more than the Eagles can say about T.O. - and he went to a division rival no less.

I think people need to temper their expectations of Walker just a bit. He's in a new offense after not playing football for almost 18 months. Denver definietly rolled the dice. Could pay off big - could come up snake eyes.

 

[Z-Dog]

I voted Jets, but really, it was a homer chocie.

Jets had a very nice draft, but I'm a bit suprised that they only drafted one linebacker, and no NT. I'm no expert on the late prospects, so I'm judging purely on positions taken. Still, getting another 2nd rounder from Washington really puts to bed any questions I had about Tangini's trading acumen.

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Titus Adams might be a NT.
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In a 3-4? At 305 pounds?

 

[Reaper]

Close poll!  I voted for the Jets.  They showed good patience in not overbidding for the #2 slot and Reggie and not biting on the available QBs.  They got two great OL, which should help them immediately.  With a stronger line, I believe their running game will be quite good (I like Cedric Houston).  If their QBs are healthy and can play well, then the Jets will look back on a very good draft. 

Tough to vote against SF and Arizona.

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As many said prior to the draft, it was strong at Offensive line. I think the Jets still could have added to their OL with Mangold / Justice type picks and STILL added a talent like Davis, Hawk or Ngata at 4 or trade down. A lot of their later picks after 3 were reaches.

I like Houston's draft.

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justice fell, but that wasn't known at time... at times after his ridiculously athletic workout, some scouts thought PHI might trade up to get him in top 10...

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What was Known beforehand was that the Draft was Deep At OT and OL.... So, with the 4 pick, there was an opportunity to do something Big based on VBD.

That's the risk you take and Justice would have fallen into their laps....

I don't hate the Jets draft - I Grade them a B-.... In this thread, I'm talking in context of the Best Hauls of the Draft.... As, a Jets fan, at least it's nice to see some praise from other fans and draftniks, I just think they could have beefed up the OL a ton LATER while they could have gotten Mangold / Justice - or Heck a Combination of Mangold and a number of other OL but, walked away with a potential Difference maker and BALLSY Pick at 4 like Vernon Davis, Hawk or even Ngata to plug the middle.... I'd like to hear that they tried as hard as they could to trade down at the 4 spot... But, they may not admit it.

Ferguson was a VERY SAFE pick for the NY Jets picking the guy a town over from Hofstra that could be the most perfect gentleman and upstanding person you could meet....

 

[Davej626]

Unbelievable. Give it three years and then repost this. 24 hours later is way to quick. Now, the question should be: who had the best '03 draft??

 

[George Jefferson Airplane]

I think in order:

Broncos (considering J Walker)

Eagles

Jets

Cards

49ers

I think all those teams are very happy right now. Giants got who they wanted in the first round and got a couple of extra picks in the process. Solid B for them.

 

[3nOut]

Unbelievable. Give it three years and then repost this. 24 hours later is way to quick. Now, the question should be: who had the best '03 draft??

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Agreed. Got a link to that year's draft? Maybe start a new thread (mayber there already is one? Haven't gotten that far down the list on the main page yet).

 

[DoctorDetroit]

Unbelievable. Give it three years and then repost this. 24 hours later is way to quick. Now, the question should be: who had the best '03 draft??

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Like I said, it's relative. There is a grade today and a grade in three years. Problem is this is fresh now. In three years people tend to forget who they drafted but I do understand where you are coming from.

 

[Sammy3469]

I know someone posted the Panthers earlier, but they have to be one of the happiest teams out there right now. They got the RB they wanted, a very good nickel corner, a LB they claim is going to challenge for a starting position this year, and the TE they wanted in the 5th round. They may not be the players the experts think are the best, but the Panthers targeted each of these guys.

For a team that didn't need much, they did very well for themselves.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

I know someone posted the Panthers earlier, but they have to be one of the happiest teams out there right now.  They got the RB they wanted, a very good nickel corner, a LB they claim is going to challenge for a starting position this year, and the TE they wanted in the 5th round.  They may not be the players the experts think are the best, but the Panthers targeted each of these guys. 

For a team that didn't need much, they did very well for themselves.

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Someone else sees the light.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Unbelievable. Give it three years and then repost this. 24 hours later is way to quick. Now, the question should be: who had the best '03 draft??

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Like I said, it's relative. There is a grade today and a grade in three years. Problem is this is fresh now. In three years people tend to forget who they drafted but I do understand where you are coming from.
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Relax you two. We all know that it's speculation right now. We understand that the implied question is really "Who do you think had the best draft?"It's between the Eagles and Cardinals. The next two closest are the Packes and Rams.

 

[Monarch]

The Saints? They had a ####ty draft in which they STILL didn't draft a LB to fix their ####ty defense. They got Reggie Bush strictly because Houston allowed it. They passed on Winston Justice when they traded away their 34th pick. Then they didn't take Eric Winston or a LB with their 2nd round pick that they traded down for. What need did the Saints fill? They STILL won't make the playoffs, so how can they even be considered? The Broncos had the best draft when you include Javon Walker.

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Did you vote for the Broncos?
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What need did the Saints fill? They got a starting Center and defensive tackle by dropping 8 spots. They got the best player in the draft that will make Drew Brees better. They signed two LBs in free agency and I am one who believes the LB problems are more from a poor scheme than talent. The Saints have a lot of draft picks from the past few years on the roster that could play with good coaching. Rick Venturi sucked. He could have the Bears talent and his defense would suck.I think the Saints did well. They drafted productive college players versus stat guys. I like the Eagles draft and the Packers.

 

[Native]

Im with the Arizona crowd. They drafted four, maybe five starters. Historic draft for the Cardnials. I hope they turn it around.

 

[LHUCKS]

Im with the Arizona crowd. They drafted four, maybe five starters.  Historic draft for the Cardnials. I hope they turn it around.

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Yep, listening to Sports talk radio all morning, four different shows are picking the Cards as the top draft.The city is absolutely buzzing.

 

[LOD]

I went

Jets

Philly

49ers(I am huge niner fan)

Den

NO

Jets did great with the 2 lineman- they should have looked to draft a RB earlier than they did, but great job, they must like Houston

Philly nice 2 big linemen to help and getting Bunkly at 14 was a steal for them and they did not have to trade up to get him

49ers- Davis was a no brainer, Lawson and robinson were great needs for the team

Den- We will see on Cutler, QB hit or miss, but getting walker will be huge, they should have take VICK.. 2 blunders in 2 years LOL

NO- I know getting bush they should not be this low, but you know that team needed so much more, Ferguson was a better pick for that team, but Texans blew it letting Bush go and NO was no way going to let that happen, great name to a team now that needs to fresh start.. PROPS TO NO.

I did like the ARZ draft too, Leinhart will be great there.

 

[On The Rocks]

I voted "Other" CLEARLY the Houston Texans hands down had the best draft, I mean, they obviously knew something that the rest of the entire world didn't so I've decided to make a 360 degree turn and side with them. We are all stupid and must bow down to the clearly best run organization..

   

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i read the sarcasm in your post.....but... a 360 degree turn will keep you going in the direction you started.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Yep, listening to Sports talk radio all morning, four different shows are picking the Cards as the top draft.

The city is absolutely buzzing.

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I'm honestly amazed. They got tremendous, and I mean TREMENDOUS value from their picks.The Cardinals had four areas of extreme need:

1) QB of the future - check

2) Offensive line help - check

3) Help for the LOWEST rated red zone offense in the entire league - check

4) Defensive line help - check, and double check

To get Pope in the 3rd and Watson in the 4th, they got two guys that were a good 2 and 3 rounds lower than they should have gone.

Excellent job by Fat Dumb and Co.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I think people are overrating the Denver draft.

I'm not big on receivers coming back from ACL injuries. It took Galloway nearly 5 years to do so. Jerry Rice did it successfully, true, but he's a freak of nature.

Scheffler and Marshall are risks and Dumervil is overrated.

 

[On The Rocks]

i pick the Bills as having the best draft.

i have been listening to reports all morning and have heard that both the Lions and Ravens wanted Donte Witner. So people think he didn't carry the value of a #8 pick. He is the guy the BILLS wanted and they got who they wanted, and he fills a huge need and is a likely started from day one.

i have been listening to more reports and read that the Giants were willing to trade down because they thought they could get McCargo at #32. However the BILLS again had a HUGE NEED at DT, and there wasn't another one worth taking for a couple of rounds. They got the guy they wanted and despite what has been said, he would not have been there at their 2nd round pick.

their picks of Youboty and Simpson help fill their need at DB with depth and future starters to replace Nate Clemments if he doesn't resign and Troy Vincent who is servicable but on his way out.

did they address thier need at OL? No. but you have to pick your battles, and their need on OL was equaled only by their need at DT and S which they took care of.

i don't care if you disagree.

 

[Jason Wood]

I think people are overrating the Denver draft.

I'm not big on receivers coming back from ACL injuries.  It took Galloway nearly 5 years to do so.  Jerry Rice did it successfully, true, but he's a freak of nature.

Scheffler and Marshall are risks and Dumervil is overrated.

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I agree; I think people are fixated on the name value of Javon Walker and the fact that, in the 2nd round, a healthy Walker was clearly better than any available rookie WR.I don't think it was a bad draft, far from it, but I don't think they cleaned up either.

 

[freddyg]

I voted Jets, but really, it was a homer chocie.

Jets had a very nice draft, but I'm a bit suprised that they only drafted one linebacker, and no NT. I'm no expert on the late prospects, so I'm judging purely on positions taken. Still, getting another 2nd rounder from Washington really puts to bed any questions I had about Tangini's trading acumen.

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They were gonna give their picks away to someone, may have well of been us.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

I think people are overrating the Denver draft.

I feel the same about the Arizona draft I could've sworn we went through this same reaction about their draft last year. Buzz around Arizona drafts is becoming what buzz around Washington FA signings are.Their defense stunk last year, and they waited until round 4 to take someone on defense. The only player drafted from last year who is projected to start week 1 is Antrell Rolle.I'm gonna wait until I heap a bunch of praise on the AZ draft.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I think people are overrating the Denver draft.

I feel the same about the Arizona draft I could've sworn we went through this same reaction about their draft last year. Buzz around Arizona drafts is becoming what buzz around Washington FA signings are.

Their defense stunk last year, and they waited until round 4 to take someone on defense. The only player drafted from last year who is projected to start week 1 is Antrell Rolle.

I'm gonna wait until I heap a bunch of praise on the AZ draft.

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I wasn't as much into the draft last year. Here was the Cardinals' draft:1 8(8) Antrel Rolle CB Miami (FL)

2 12(44) J.J. Arrington HB California

3 11(75) Eric Green CB Virginia Tech

3 32(95) Darryl Blackstock OLB Virginia

4 10(111) Elton Brown OG Virginia

5 32(168) Lance Mitchell ILB Oklahoma

7 12(226) Leron McCoy WR Indiana (PA)

Was there much there to get excited about last year?

This year I see Pope and Watson taken in the 3rd and 4th rounds. Both were considered by some as late 1st/early 2nds. Seems like they drafted well there.

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

I think people are overrating the Denver draft.

I feel the same about the Arizona draft

Their defense stunk last year, and they waited until round 4 to take someone on defense. The only player drafted from last year who is projected to start week 1 is Antrell Rolle.

Make sure not to mention they had several players injured last year including Rolle.

With that said they were still in the top 15 at D so im not sure I would say they stunk.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Make sure not to mention they had several players injured last year including Rolle. 

I'm sure they were the only NFL team with injuries last year.

With that said they were still in the top 15 at D so im not sure I would say they stunk.

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15th in which category?Usually when someone mentions defensive rankings they talk about either yards or points allowed. Not saying I subscribe to either as a ranking system, but I'm curious what they finished 15th in.

8th in yards allowed

27th in points allowed

 

[Andy Dufresne]

15th in which category?

Usually when someone mentions defensive rankings they talk about either yards or points allowed.  Not saying I subscribe to either as a ranking system, but I'm curious what they finished 15th in.

8th in yards allowed

27th in points allowed

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They were 28th in rush defense too. Now the acquired Kendrick Clancy and Gabe Watson, both of whom should (repeat - should) help tremendously.

 

[LHUCKS]

The cards D is much better than people realize...they are really going to turn some heads this year once people see them at 100%. Especially with Edge and an improved offensive line helping them keep fresh.

I wouldn't be surprised to see top 5 stats from this squad...I'm not kidding.

 

[Chaos]

Cleveland, not sexy in name value but they got value at every pick and high character guys.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

The cards D is much better than people realize...they are really going to turn some heads this year once people see them at 100%.  Especially with Edge and an improved offensive line helping them keep fresh.

I wouldn't be surprised to see top 5 stats from this squad...I'm not kidding.

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This seems like the same thing that is said about the Cards for about the past 3 years now.The Cards seem like the favorite darkhorse team every year, but have never lived up to the expectations.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

The cards D is much better than people realize...they are really going to turn some heads this year once people see them at 100%.  Especially with Edge and an improved offensive line helping them keep fresh.

I wouldn't be surprised to see top 5 stats from this squad...I'm not kidding.

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This seems like the same thing that is said about the Cards for about the past 3 years now.The Cards seem like the favorite darkhorse team every year, but have never lived up to the expectations.

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I just checked my efficiency rankings, and the Cards actually graded out 16th. Maybe they were better than I thought.Offense ranked 21st.

 

[bostonfred]

As for Walker, that's be a good trade if he were healthy. Green Bay reached on him in the first (he was pegged as a second rounder), he's coming off an ACL, and he's had one good year playing with a hall of fame QB. This was a big gamble, and almost certainly another step back.

Can you please explain the relevance of this statement? Do you know what round TO was drafted in? How about Rod Smith? Anquan Boldin? I wonder what round those guys were pegged to go in.

When healthy, Javon was a beast on the football field. So, the Broncos gamble on his health just as they'd have gambled on Chad Jackson not busting out like so many other Florida wideouts. Of those gambles, I'll take the former.

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My point about Walker:- He had one good year

- His one good year was with a Hall of Famer

- He's coming off a significant injury

- He was a reach as a first rounder (in anticipation of the inevitable "But he was a first rounder who looked good in his third year" response)

Its relevance in the context of the post you snipped is that I would be surprised if he contributed this year. There's very little evidence that Walker is anything more than the guy that Favre threw to, a position that made Antonio Freeman look really good in Green Bay and unable to hang on with a team after that.

I'm not sold on either of the guys that Denver got. But I'm DEFINITELY not sold on either one helping them to win THIS YEAR, and I think the Broncos made a huge mistake by failing to capitalize on this window of opportunity when they had all those picks. This was a bad draft for the Broncos.

 

[thatguy]

As for Walker, that's be a good trade if he were healthy. Green Bay reached on him in the first (he was pegged as a second rounder), he's coming off an ACL, and he's had one good year playing with a hall of fame QB. This was a big gamble, and almost certainly another step back.

Can you please explain the relevance of this statement? Do you know what round TO was drafted in? How about Rod Smith? Anquan Boldin? I wonder what round those guys were pegged to go in.

When healthy, Javon was a beast on the football field. So, the Broncos gamble on his health just as they'd have gambled on Chad Jackson not busting out like so many other Florida wideouts. Of those gambles, I'll take the former.

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My point about Walker:- He had one good year

- His one good year was with a Hall of Famer

- He's coming off a significant injury

- He was a reach as a first rounder (in anticipation of the inevitable "But he was a first rounder who looked good in his third year" response)

Its relevance in the context of the post you snipped is that I would be surprised if he contributed this year. There's very little evidence that Walker is anything more than the guy that Favre threw to, a position that made Antonio Freeman look really good in Green Bay and unable to hang on with a team after that.

I'm not sold on either of the guys that Denver got. But I'm DEFINITELY not sold on either one helping them to win THIS YEAR, and I think the Broncos made a huge mistake by failing to capitalize on this window of opportunity when they had all those picks. This was a bad draft for the Broncos.

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Fair enough. I guess I still don't understand the relevance of "where Javon was pegged to go four years ago". I understand the rest of your points.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Cleveland -- The Browns have many needs and they selected 10 players, most of which project to make the 2006 active roster. In Wimbley, the team adds a pass rushing 3-4 OLB. In D'Qwell Jackson, it lands a future difference maker at ILB. Travis Wilson is a bit raw but wasn't a reach in the 3rd. On Day 2, Harrison, Minter, Vickers and Oshinowo could be in this year's rotation at their respective positions.

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I finally took a close look at the draft for each team, and I think this is the best. I agree with the rest of your picks to Jason. Probably shouldn't have cut the quote short, but Clevand rocked, imo. I think they have 8 serious contributors from this draft. That's not counting Sowells at guard but he's a possible beast. It definitely goes to personal preferences, but they just seemed to nab a bunch of guys I think are very underrated, then they all seem to fit nicely on the team.

Wimbley and Jackson are going to contribute as heavily as any teams first two picks this side of Philly, Houston and NYJ. Some think Travis Wilson will be the best of the lot of OU receivers to hit the league. OU coaches think so. Leon Williams is a great special teamer who needed to be an OLB with an easier assignment, for lack of a better way of wording it. He's a great athlete. Put him on the edge and he'll be good. Minter is great in run support for a CB and his cover skills are top notch. He just didn't record a bunch of picks. Happens to great DBs all the time, and I think he fell way too far. He's tough as nails, reminds me of Winfield. I've called Vickers the best fullback in this draft for months, and Cleveland's running game is going to be something. Enter Harrison who I am much higher on than most at Rb, and Oshinowo at DT and I love this draft top to bottom.

Savage and Crennel - new town same results...

 

[PMENFAN]

Close poll!  I voted for the Jets.  They showed good patience in not overbidding for the #2 slot and Reggie and not biting on the available QBs.  They got two great OL, which should help them immediately.  With a stronger line, I believe their running game will be quite good (I like Cedric Houston).  If their QBs are healthy and can play well, then the Jets will look back on a very good draft. 

Tough to vote against SF and Arizona.

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As many said prior to the draft, it was strong at Offensive line. I think the Jets still could have added to their OL with Mangold / Justice type picks and STILL added a talent like Davis, Hawk or Ngata at 4 or trade down. A lot of their later picks after 3 were reaches.

I like Houston's draft.

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Every pick after the 3rd round is a reach. I like (actually dislike, but appreciate) what the Jets did. They got the 2 best blockers available. who will both start, and they got a QB that I think can be very good. After the 3rd round, you're getting projects that will succeed or fail depending on too many factors. Given Manginis background, I believe they're guys he thinks they can coach into role players. Remember, they've got to face the 'fins and Pat's lines for 4 games a year. They were in dire need of line help, and they got it.

As for the Donkeys, any player returning from an ACL is a huge risk. A risk of going to early, stressing the other knee. A risk of no being confident enough to push w/ the leg. A risk that the surgery gets pushed too soon and doesn't hold. A calculated risk, but he's not going to be the JW at his peak, at least right away. And, the Cutler pick doesn't impress me. I think he's a project, and the Boller comparison holds weight for now. I compare him to Heath Schuler. He's smart, and got a strong arm. Everything hes to be developed. Everything else is a project, just like everybody elses late picks. The Broncos have 1 proven commodity coming out of the draft, and even that's iffy. Good potential, but that's it.

 

[George Jefferson Airplane]

Good info in here.