Who had the best draft (1 Viewer)

[DoctorDetroit]

So what does everyone think? Please list your other with comments below as some "onsiders" here have valuable info the rest of us may not know. Pretty fun weekend.

 

[Double_J]

The Saints? They had a ####ty draft in which they STILL didn't draft a LB to fix their ####ty defense. They got Reggie Bush strictly because Houston allowed it. They passed on Winston Justice when they traded away their 34th pick. Then they didn't take Eric Winston or a LB with their 2nd round pick that they traded down for. What need did the Saints fill? They STILL won't make the playoffs, so how can they even be considered? The Broncos had the best draft when you include Javon Walker.

 

[DoctorDetroit]

The Saints? They had a ####ty draft in which they STILL didn't draft a LB to fix their ####ty defense. They got Reggie Bush strictly because Houston allowed it. They passed on Winston Justice when they traded away their 34th pick. Then they didn't take Eric Winston or a LB with their 2nd round pick that they traded down for. What need did the Saints fill? They STILL won't make the playoffs, so how can they even be considered? The Broncos had the best draft when you include Javon Walker.

Did you vote for the Broncos?

 

[Double_J]

The Saints? They had a ####ty draft in which they STILL didn't draft a LB to fix their ####ty defense. They got Reggie Bush strictly because Houston allowed it. They passed on Winston Justice when they traded away their 34th pick. Then they didn't take Eric Winston or a LB with their 2nd round pick that they traded down for. What need did the Saints fill? They STILL won't make the playoffs, so how can they even be considered? The Broncos had the best draft when you include Javon Walker.

Did you vote for the Broncos?

Yeah, Walker was a huge pickup that actually filled a need. I'm not the only one that voted for them either as they are leading right now.

 

[Z-Dog]

I voted Jets, but really, it was a homer chocie.

Jets had a very nice draft, but I'm a bit suprised that they only drafted one linebacker, and no NT. I'm no expert on the late prospects, so I'm judging purely on positions taken. Still, getting another 2nd rounder from Washington really puts to bed any questions I had about Tangini's trading acumen.

 

[DoctorDetroit]

The Saints? They had a ####ty draft in which they STILL didn't draft a LB to fix their ####ty defense. They got Reggie Bush strictly because Houston allowed it. They passed on Winston Justice when they traded away their 34th pick. Then they didn't take Eric Winston or a LB with their 2nd round pick that they traded down for. What need did the Saints fill? They STILL won't make the playoffs, so how can they even be considered? The Broncos had the best draft when you include Javon Walker.

Did you vote for the Broncos?

Yeah, Walker was a huge pickup that actually filled a need. I'm not the only one that voted for them either as they are leading right now.

I listed the Saints for the Bush factor only given the huge upperhand they had given his fall to #2. I think the Eagles had the best draft but if you factor in Walker, the Broncos clearly went from a so-so offseason to an incredible offseason. Given they were only four quarters from the Super Bowl last year, I'd have to think their fans are quite pleased.

 

[Portis 26]

Given they were onlyt four quarters from the Super Bowl last year, I'd have to think their fans are quite pleased.

Particularly given that the draft addressed the two principal weaknesses of the Broncos on offense, QB (Plummer just too erratic) and WR (Lelie a deep threat and nothing else, Rod Smith too old)

 

[DoctorDetroit]

I'd give my team a B- given the circumstances and a B+ if you factor in Burleson for our #3 pick.

Needs DB, Pass Rusher, OL, WR

The Seahawks had most need in the defensive backfield and aquired a solid pro ready corner in Kelly Jennings at #31. Jennings will likely be the primary nickle handling the slot WR which is quite a big task in the NFC West with Arizona and the Rams.

Then they went with a strong passrushing End in Darryl Tapp who has a great work ethic and drive while falling due to his siza at just over six feet.

Later the Hawks added a Punter, a Fullback, a WR, and an offensive guard. With their current situation and minimum needs I am pleased with the outcome.

 

[dcgangstas]

Props to the Niners from top to bottom. They had an exceptional draft, especially with getting Davis and Lawson in Round 1.

Skeletor did well for the Broncos, getting Cutler and nailing Javon Walker for only a second round pick.

 

[Pipes]

I'm a Packer homer and like their draft however objectively I'd have to say the Jets had the best draft. Dbrick and Mangold are future pro bowlers and they got their QB of the futuren. Leon Washington was a steal too...he really could surprise some people.

 

[pgreenfan]

I went with the Eagles Bunkley and Justice is a great start then add Gilles in the forth and the rest of their group and they had a very impressive draft.

 

[dcgangstas]

I went with the Eagles Bunkley and Justice is a great start then add Gilles in the forth and the rest of their group and they had a very impressive draft.

They certainly did have a solid draft.

 

[Noahs Troopers]

49ers, Eagles and Broncos all were big winners.

 

[dcgangstas]

I'm a Packer homer and like their draft however objectively I'd have to say the Jets had the best draft. Dbrick and Mangold are future pro bowlers and they got their QB of the futuren. Leon Washington was a steal too...he really could surprise some people.

The Jets' braintrust (never thought I'd say that) did well to resist the urge to take Leinart as a glamour pick for the Fans. Fergie was the absolute right pick, as was Mangold to replace Mawae. Nice job.

 

[Chase Stuart]

I voted Jets, but really, it was a homer chocie.

Jets had a very nice draft, but I'm a bit suprised that they only drafted one linebacker, and no NT. I'm no expert on the late prospects, so I'm judging purely on positions taken. Still, getting another 2nd rounder from Washington really puts to bed any questions I had about Tangini's trading acumen.

Titus Adams might be a NT.

 

[BassNBrew]

Someone please explain how the Broncos are the winners. They were knocking on the door of the Super Bowl and did nothing to immediately improve the team. Walker is coming back from a serious knee injury and Cutler shouldn't see the field for sometime. I actually think they took a step back towards everyone else in the division.

 

[BassNBrew]

I think Philly was one of the biggest winners.

 

[Sweetness_34]

NEVER judge a draft the day it ends. Talk about the draft 3 years back but right now is not the right time. WHatever anyone says is pure speculation

Now if you want to talk about the 2003 draft, we can talk about winners and losers there.

 

[Noahs Troopers]

Someone please explain how the Broncos are the winners. They were knocking on the door of the Super Bowl and did nothing to immediately improve the team. Walker is coming back from a serious knee injury and Cutler shouldn't see the field for sometime. I actually think they took a step back towards everyone else in the division.

Like you just said they are knocking on the door to the super bowl, so they obviously don't have too many huge needs. They did improve at WR going from Lelie to Walker, that's a huge improvement right there. They also got there quarterback of the future in cutler and since like you put it they are already knocking on the door, they have the luxury of drafting a QB they can groom to take over in the future. How did they take a step backward in the division? As far as immediate impact I"d have to say Javon Walker will have more of one than the Raiders, Chargers or Chiefs first round picks, none of which were bad picks.

 

[Noahs Troopers]

NEVER judge a draft the day it ends. Talk about the draft 3 years back but right now is not the right time. WHatever anyone says is pure speculation

Now if you want to talk about the 2003 draft, we can talk about winners and losers there.

Maybe we should just close down the forums or basically not talk about anything then party pooper.

 

[DoctorDetroit]

NEVER judge a draft the day it ends. Talk about the draft 3 years back but right now is not the right time. WHatever anyone says is pure speculation

Now if you want to talk about the 2003 draft, we can talk about winners and losers there.

This is deep. No kidding. We talk about it today because that is nature but a draft cannot be properly defined for years. So we either should shut down all talk and wait or press on.

Bears draft is gonna stink either way.

 

[acefootball]

NEVER judge a draft the day it ends. Talk about the draft 3 years back but right now is not the right time. WHatever anyone says is pure speculation

Now if you want to talk about the 2003 draft, we can talk about winners and losers there.

I know what you are saying, but that is really no fun. I like to read who the perceived winners and losers are right away. Especially after watching so much of the draft. Plus I like to read all the arguments that will take place and how people think players will fit into their new teams. Not to mention this is a great place to research for a couple of rookie drafts coming up..........

 

[thatguy]

I went with the Broncos, but it was a homer choice. I didn't analyze other team's drafts as much as I did the Bronco's draft.

Here goes:

They got a potential franchise QB in Cutler--basically, I think they felt he was too talented and too good a fit for the system (can make plays with his lets, bootleg, etc.) to pass up at 11. I like Cutler a lot--his competitive spirit reminds me a lot of Elway. I love Plummer but think Cutler could challenge him for the starting job as early as 2007.

They got an NFL ready and proven WR with an early second round choice in Javon Walker--all the better because they don't have the best track record with drafting WRs (theycould have had Javon four years ago but opted for Lelie the track star). Granted there is always the risk that Javon's knee gives him problems, but I'd rather they take that chance than take a chance on a guy like Chad Jackson who may or may not pan out. At least with Walker, they know what they're getting--a guy who, when healthy, is one of the top all around WRs in football.

They got a big, fast TE with great hands in Tony Sheffler. Not a great blocker yet, but as a previous WR, he fits the mold of past Denver TEs. Shannon Sharpe couldn't block for a #### when he began his career. I see them using him this season much like they did Putzier the last two seasons, with the hope that he'll bulk up a bit, improve his blocking skills, and eventually be a full time player (this was the hope with Putzier, but it never happened).

They got two talented WRs in Marshall and Hixon. The two might take some time to develop, but with Lelie apparently on the way out, one of these guys may step up and be a viable WR3 this year, and perhaps fill the WR2 role in a few years when Rod hangs 'em up. I'm not going to get overly excited about either at this point, as I already mentioned Denver is not great at evaluating WR talent, but in the least this will light a fire under Lelie's ### and create some great competition at the WR position.

They got a DE with a great motor in Elvis Dumervil--once considered a second or third round talent. His stock fell due to a poor showing at the Senior Bowl, but the bottom line is this kid gets after it. He's short which also caused him to slip, but Denver got him for one reason--to rush the passer--and I think they'll let him do it. After the AFC Championship game, and the loss of Pryce, they desperately needed to do something to improve this area, and I think Dumervil will do that. This could also indicate a shift toward the 3-4, as it sounds like Dumervil might be a good hybrid DE/OLB pass rusher in the mold of Davis Pollack.

Finally, they shored up their interior O line--an area where they lacked depth last season--by getting OG Chris Kuper and C Greg Eslinger. Both are O lineman of the Denver mold, small but quick and mobile--perfect fits for their zone blocking scheme. With Nalen aging, Eslinger should be to step up in a few years as a full time starter, and Kuper will add some nice depth at the OG position. It's possible he could challenge Cooper Carlisle for the starting job this season.

The only thing I wish they'd addressed is safety, but Lynch has at least one more solid year left in him--there's always next year for that.

Overall, I couldn't be happier with Denver's draft.

 

[BassNBrew]

Someone please explain how the Broncos are the winners.  They were knocking on the door of the Super Bowl and did nothing to immediately improve the team.  Walker is coming back from a serious knee injury and Cutler shouldn't see the field for sometime.  I actually think they took a step back towards everyone else in the division.

Like you just said they are knocking on the door to the super bowl, so they obviously don't have too many huge needs. They did improve at WR going from Lelie to Walker, that's a huge improvement right there. They also got there quarterback of the future in cutler and since like you put it they are already knocking on the door, they have the luxury of drafting a QB they can groom to take over in the future. How did they take a step backward in the division? As far as immediate impact I"d have to say Javon Walker will have more of one than the Raiders, Chargers or Chiefs first round picks, none of which were bad picks.

I just don't think a WR changing teams with a bum wheel is much help. Chad Jackson was on the board in that vincinity. I just think two impact defensive players would have been then ticket in a division with LT, LJ, and Moss.

 

[King of the Jungle]

I think the Cardinals are at least worth mentioning.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

I stand by my pick of Carolina. They had an excellent draft IMO.

 

[thatguy]

Someone please explain how the Broncos are the winners. They were knocking on the door of the Super Bowl and did nothing to immediately improve the team. Walker is coming back from a serious knee injury and Cutler shouldn't see the field for sometime. I actually think they took a step back towards everyone else in the division.

Walker is a huge upgrade. Granted they're taking a chance that his knee heals and he gets back to 100%, but it's a chance worth taking. Dumervil should help their pass rush immediately.

Sheffler should fill the void left by the departed Putzier.

They added depth to their O Line.

They added competition at the WR position.

They improved dramatically at backup QB.

And because they added so much depth, they not only help themselves for next season with this draft, but also for years to come. Isn't that the idea? To win every year?

 

[Big Score]

I think the Cardinals are at least worth mentioning.

 

[DoctorDetroit]

I think the Cardinals are at least worth mentioning.

I agree. I thought the Cardinals picked the right guys and didn't take unnecessary chances. Denny Green is a really patient drafter who will be a great front office guy someday. Actually maybe after the Cards go 7-9 this coming year.

 

[tri-man 47]

Close poll! I voted for the Jets. They showed good patience in not overbidding for the #2 slot and Reggie and not biting on the available QBs. They got two great OL, which should help them immediately. With a stronger line, I believe their running game will be quite good (I like Cedric Houston). If their QBs are healthy and can play well, then the Jets will look back on a very good draft.

Tough to vote against SF and Arizona.

 

[thatguy]

Someone please explain how the Broncos are the winners.  They were knocking on the door of the Super Bowl and did nothing to immediately improve the team.  Walker is coming back from a serious knee injury and Cutler shouldn't see the field for sometime.  I actually think they took a step back towards everyone else in the division.

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Like you just said they are knocking on the door to the super bowl, so they obviously don't have too many huge needs. They did improve at WR going from Lelie to Walker, that's a huge improvement right there. They also got there quarterback of the future in cutler and since like you put it they are already knocking on the door, they have the luxury of drafting a QB they can groom to take over in the future. How did they take a step backward in the division? As far as immediate impact I"d have to say Javon Walker will have more of one than the Raiders, Chargers or Chiefs first round picks, none of which were bad picks.
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I just don't think a WR changing teams with a bum wheel is much help. Chad Jackson was on the board in that vincinity. I just think two impact defensive players would have been then ticket in a division with LT, LJ, and Moss.
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The Walker trade is no doubt a risk, but I really don't think Denver would have made that trade if their doctors and trainers weren't confident that Walker will get back to, or damn close to, 100%--that is, he'll be able to accelerate, jump, and make all the cuts pretty much like he used to. The Broncos are smart, and I can't see them giving up an early second rounder if they were't fairly certain he'll be the old Javon soon. All the teams that looked at Javon said the same thing--that he'll be ready to go.I'd much rather they get Walker like they did than take a chance on Jackson, especially with the drastic difference in his YPC the last two seasons, and also with the lack of success former Florida wideouts have had in the NFL. IMO, there were more question marks with Jackson than there are with Walker.

So, I really think Javon will make an immediate difference to the Denver offense, and I see Shanny trying to open it up more through the passing game so that when they face teams like NE, Pitt, and San Diego, teams who tend to shut down their running game, they will be able to to air it out and win the game with the passing game. With more and more teams moving to the 3-4, it's becoming more and more important to not rely solely on the running game.

I've already said how I feel the other acquisitions will help Denver, and it is true that most of them probably won't provide much of an immediate impact (though I think Sheffler and Dumervil likely will). But the fact is Denver didn't need much to get over the hump, and Walker alone might be enough to get them there. If nothing else, Denver has helped ensure their success for many years to come.

All that said, I agree with you that a few key defensive acquisitions would have been nice. They chose to upgrade offensively instead. In doing so, they took a step in the right direction--namely, they improved.

On the defensive side of the ball, getting a player like Manny Lawson would have been nice, because their pass rush was lacking last season. They could have stayed put at 15 and grabbed Lawson, and they'd no doubt be in better shape for next season than they are with Cutler. Instead, they grabbed Cutler, and put themselves in a position to be in great shape years from now, because they're already in pretty good shape for next season as it is.

And, Denver's pass rush wasn't terrible last season anyway. While they didn't have many sacks, they were probably among the league leaders in QB pressures (granted a lot of that was due to Trevor Pryce). Still, they have the Cleveland defensive line. With one more year in the Denver system, they should only improve. John Englerberer will almost certainly play a larger role this year. And Dumervil should help the pass rush. I see Denver's defense being pretty similar to how it was last season. Perhaps better because their young CBs, Darrent Williams and Domonique Foxworth, will have a full year of experience under their belts and will only improve. I see their offense being quite a bit better. If Javon can make an immediate impact, they could be atop the league in points per game. They should be among the favorites to represent the AFC in the Super Bowl.

Perhaps I'm a blind homer, but I am very happy with how Denver's draft and offseason have pannedout.

 

[Gopher State]

The Vikings got some good help on defense, plus getting Hutch for nothing from Seattle makes the off season that much better

 

[Muahahaha]

I vote for the write-in candidate: Arizona Cardinals.

 

[Reaper]

Close poll!  I voted for the Jets.  They showed good patience in not overbidding for the #2 slot and Reggie and not biting on the available QBs.  They got two great OL, which should help them immediately.  With a stronger line, I believe their running game will be quite good (I like Cedric Houston).  If their QBs are healthy and can play well, then the Jets will look back on a very good draft. 

Tough to vote against SF and Arizona.

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As many said prior to the draft, it was strong at Offensive line. I think the Jets still could have added to their OL with Mangold / Justice type picks and STILL added a talent like Davis, Hawk or Ngata at 4 or trade down. A lot of their later picks after 3 were reaches.

I like Houston's draft.

 

[BassNBrew]

Someone please explain how the Broncos are the winners.  They were knocking on the door of the Super Bowl and did nothing to immediately improve the team.  Walker is coming back from a serious knee injury and Cutler shouldn't see the field for sometime.  I actually think they took a step back towards everyone else in the division.

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Like you just said they are knocking on the door to the super bowl, so they obviously don't have too many huge needs. They did improve at WR going from Lelie to Walker, that's a huge improvement right there. They also got there quarterback of the future in cutler and since like you put it they are already knocking on the door, they have the luxury of drafting a QB they can groom to take over in the future. How did they take a step backward in the division? As far as immediate impact I"d have to say Javon Walker will have more of one than the Raiders, Chargers or Chiefs first round picks, none of which were bad picks.
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I just don't think a WR changing teams with a bum wheel is much help. Chad Jackson was on the board in that vincinity. I just think two impact defensive players would have been then ticket in a division with LT, LJ, and Moss.
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The Walker trade is no doubt a risk, but I really don't think Denver would have made that trade if their doctors and trainers weren't confident that Walker will get back to, or damn close to, 100%--that is, he'll be able to accelerate, jump, and make all the cuts pretty much like he used to. The Broncos are smart, and I can't see them giving up an early second rounder if they were't fairly certain he'll be the old Javon soon. All the teams that looked at Javon said the same thing--that he'll be ready to go.I'd much rather they get Walker like they did than take a chance on Jackson, especially with the drastic difference in his YPC the last two seasons, and also with the lack of success former Florida wideouts have had in the NFL. IMO, there were more question marks with Jackson than there are with Walker.

So, I really think Javon will make an immediate difference to the Denver offense, and I see Shanny trying to open it up more through the passing game so that when they face teams like NE, Pitt, and San Diego, teams who tend to shut down their running game, they will be able to to air it out and win the game with the passing game. With more and more teams moving to the 3-4, it's becoming more and more important to not rely solely on the running game.

I've already said how I feel the other acquisitions will help Denver, and it is true that most of them probably won't provide much of an immediate impact (though I think Sheffler and Dumervil likely will). But the fact is Denver didn't need much to get over the hump, and Walker alone might be enough to get them there. If nothing else, Denver has helped ensure their success for many years to come.

All that said, I agree with you that a few key defensive acquisitions would have been nice. They chose to upgrade offensively instead. In doing so, they took a step in the right direction--namely, they improved.

On the defensive side of the ball, getting a player like Manny Lawson would have been nice, because their pass rush was lacking last season. They could have stayed put at 15 and grabbed Lawson, and they'd no doubt be in better shape for next season than they are with Cutler. Instead, they grabbed Cutler, and put themselves in a position to be in great shape years from now, because they're already in pretty good shape for next season as it is.

And, Denver's pass rush wasn't terrible last season anyway. While they didn't have many sacks, they were probably among the league leaders in QB pressures (granted a lot of that was due to Trevor Pryce). Still, they have the Cleveland defensive line. With one more year in the Denver system, they should only improve. John Englerberer will almost certainly play a larger role this year. And Dumervil should help the pass rush. I see Denver's defense being pretty similar to how it was last season. Perhaps better because their young CBs, Darrent Williams and Domonique Foxworth, will have a full year of experience under their belts and will only improve. I see their offense being quite a bit better. If Javon can make an immediate impact, they could be atop the league in points per game. They should be among the favorites to represent the AFC in the Super Bowl.

Perhaps I'm a blind homer, but I am very happy with how Denver's draft and offseason have pannedout.

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I don't disagree with any of statements persay, I just believe when you're close to the ring that you should focus more on the immediate needs and worry about the future later. Being is a tough division/conference, I think Cutler is a luxary that you can't afford because their are too many good teams nipping at your heals. As an example, I think San Diego gave up two Super Bowl runs by investing in Rivers when another playmaker could have been the difference.

 

[Portis 26]

I just believe when you're close to the ring that you should focus more on the immediate needs and worry about the future later. Being is a tough division/conference, I think Cutler is a luxary that you can't afford because their are too many good teams nipping at your heals. As an example, I think San Diego gave up two Super Bowl runs by investing in Rivers when another playmaker could have been the difference.

I disagree. I don't think Plummer is a Super Bowl winning QB. I think Cutler has a chance to be.

 

[BassNBrew]

I just believe when you're close to the ring that you should focus more on the immediate needs and worry about the future later. Being is a tough division/conference, I think Cutler is a luxary that you can't afford because their are too many good teams nipping at your heals. As an example, I think San Diego gave up two Super Bowl runs by investing in Rivers when another playmaker could have been the difference.

I disagree. I don't think Plummer is a Super Bowl winning QB. I think Cutler has a chance to be.
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When you can win the Bowl with rookies, second yr QBs, and retreads, I don't see Plummer being a major hinderance. Does Plummer really suck that much? Right now I'd only put Cutler's odds of being better than Jake at roughly 40%.

 

[DoctorDetroit]

I just believe when you're close to the ring that you should focus more on the immediate needs and worry about the future later. Being is a tough division/conference, I think Cutler is a luxary that you can't afford because their are too many good teams nipping at your heals. As an example, I think San Diego gave up two Super Bowl runs by investing in Rivers when another playmaker could have been the difference.

I disagree. I don't think Plummer is a Super Bowl winning QB. I think Cutler has a chance to be.
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When you can win the Bowl with rookies, second yr QBs, and retreads, I don't see Plummer being a major hinderance. Does Plummer really suck that much? Right now I'd only put Cutler's odds of being better than Jake at roughly 40%.
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They better not think they can win the Super Bowl with Cutler this year. I think it was a great pick but it's Plummer or nothing in 2006. AFC is way to tough to get through the playoffs with a rookie and the NFC will have a solid representative in the Subpar Bowl.

 

[Liquid Tension]

I think Philly was one of the biggest winners.

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Philly did a great job in getting great value on 3 lineman. if the predraft rankings are accurate, they were the winners by far in my opinion.I also can't stand people always saying that the high drafting teams that took the consensus best player automatically had a good draft. I would rather grade a draft based on where they picked rather than just the players added, otherwise the team picking first will "always" do better

As a Giant and Dolphin fan, I liked the Giants moving down, but thought they should have moved down again as I am not so sure about their 1st round pick. I liked picking Moss. As for the Dolphins, I think they had a solid draft. I think they made some great 7th round picks.

 

[S.K.A.]

Write in ballot: Cardinals win the draft.

Broncos draft was okay. We aren't talking about the vets being picked up are we? In that case, this discussion changes.

Purely draft; Cardinals or Philly win it.

 

[RKMoney]

I voted "Other" CLEARLY the Houston Texans hands down had the best draft, I mean, they obviously knew something that the rest of the entire world didn't so I've decided to make a 360 degree turn and side with them. We are all stupid and must bow down to the clearly best run organization..

 

[DoctorDetroit]

Who had the best draft, top to bottomSO?   Saints [ 5 ]  [3.65%] Jets [ 18 ]  [13.14%] Packers [ 21 ]  [15.33%] 49ers [ 15 ]  [10.95%] Eagles [ 37 ]  [27.01%] Broncos [ 20 ]  [14.60%] Other [ 21 ]  [15.33%] Total Votes: 137

Plus several write in votes for the Cards.

 

[10993]

How are the Cardinals not on this list?

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

I vote for the write-in candidate: Arizona Cardinals.

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I agree the Cards are in tier 1

They should be on the list easy... do it ,do it

 

[Jason Wood]

I'm certainly pleased with the Eagles draft. I also think the Broncos don't deserve to be in this discussion. But I have to tip my hat to four other teams:

Arizona -- For the 2nd consecutive year, the Cardinals have put together a very solid draft. I'm a Leinart fan so, for me, they landed the best QB in the draft at 10. Deuce Lutui should start right away and is a road grader (great for Edge). Pope is also an obvious upgrade and, he too, will open holes for Edge and keep Warner/Leinart healthy. On day two, they landed Gabe Watson who on many boards was the 3rd best DT. Todd Watkins was projected as a 2nd/3rd rounder on some sites, and they landed him in the 7th as a possible WR3/WR4.

Cleveland -- The Browns have many needs and they selected 10 players, most of which project to make the 2006 active roster. In Wimbley, the team adds a pass rushing 3-4 OLB. In D'Qwell Jackson, it lands a future difference maker at ILB. Travis Wilson is a bit raw but wasn't a reach in the 3rd. On Day 2, Harrison, Minter, Vickers and Oshinowo could be in this year's rotation at their respective positions.

Houston -- Whether they should've taken Bush or not, the vast majority of GMs had Mario Williams as no worse than the 2nd best player in this draft. He and DeMeco Ryans are both big-time defenders and should go a long way in improving the Texans awful defense. Meanwhile, Charles Spencer and Eric Winston both could've gone a round or two earlier and no one would've questioned the picks. Daniels fills a depth need and could eventually start.

St. Louis -- Hill is the best pure corner on the board, they added two very solid TE prospects. If Wroten can lay off the weed, he was a bargain in the 3rd as was Jon Alston. Adeyanu could emerge as a force and replacement for Leonard Little in time. Hagans, Setterstrom and McGarigle were solid value/depth picks.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

How can you tell if someone had a good draft? You don't know the results yet, and you don't know how teams ranked their players.

Just because a certain player like say Winston Justice is hyped up and falls in the draft, does not mean the team that drafted him did well.

It seems that the teams that are said to have good drafts just have the most name players, be it from drafting early in the draft or getting players that people recognize.

 

[bostonfred]

Re: Denver

I never like the QB who skyrockets up people's draft boards. I would especially hate wasting all those pre-draft trades to give up a first and a third to get a guy who probably would have been there at my pick. And as for the idea that Plummer's not a championship QB, how is the Vandy QB supposed to help?

As for Walker, that's be a good trade if he were healthy. Green Bay reached on him in the first (he was pegged as a second rounder), he's coming off an ACL, and he's had one good year playing with a hall of fame QB. This was a big gamble, and almost certainly another step back.

With Rod Smith getting old, and Denver unable to draft good receivers, and Plummer in a lame duck year, while Walker recovers from in-season ACL surgery, it seems like the Broncos are going to miss their window. They lost a lot of good players and didn't replace them very well, and instead of keeping the team going, they used their top three picks in the draft to get two question marks to replace Smith and Plummer in 2007.

I'm OK with calling it a good draft if you call it what it is - looking to 2007 and beyond. But they did not improve the team in the draft.

 

[DoctorDetroit]

How can you tell if someone had a good draft?  You don't know the results yet, and you don't know how teams ranked their players. 

Just because a certain player like say Winston Justice is hyped up and falls in the draft, does not mean the team that drafted him did well. 

It seems that the teams that are said to have good drafts just have the most name players, be it from drafting early in the draft or getting players that people recognize.

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It's relative. Time will tell.

 

[Bob_Magaw]

Close poll!  I voted for the Jets.  They showed good patience in not overbidding for the #2 slot and Reggie and not biting on the available QBs.  They got two great OL, which should help them immediately.  With a stronger line, I believe their running game will be quite good (I like Cedric Houston).  If their QBs are healthy and can play well, then the Jets will look back on a very good draft. 

Tough to vote against SF and Arizona.

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As many said prior to the draft, it was strong at Offensive line. I think the Jets still could have added to their OL with Mangold / Justice type picks and STILL added a talent like Davis, Hawk or Ngata at 4 or trade down. A lot of their later picks after 3 were reaches.

I like Houston's draft.

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justice fell, but that wasn't known at time... at times after his ridiculously athletic workout, some scouts thought PHI might trade up to get him in top 10...i agree with HOU (imo, they should have taken bush, but i liked ryans & getting starting OG/C & OT within two picks in round three), others also, which i'll expand on later...

homer pick, but i liked rams draft... hill will fill need, & by trading down, they got wroten, who if he works out, had top 20 talent...

klopfenstein & byrd will make for a scary looking two-TE set in red zone... i think they got pretty good value & filled some needs in day two...

of other teams mentioned upthread, i like ARI, SF, PHI & NYJ a lot... NO stumbling onto bush will prove a Godsend... HOW will likely rue that for decades, & it may become fabled in all-time personnell bumble across sports/leagues, like lou brock trade, or CIN taking akili smith instead of NO ENTIRE draft (for ricky williams)...

* i agree with jason... crennell got some nice pieces to the 3-4 puzzle in OLB wimbley & ILB jackson... they will make an impact right away... they may make mistakes, but they will be at full speed, 100 mph!

you have to be able to stop the run in afc north, or you are dead in the water...

* also liked rich getting richer with NE getting maroney & chad jackson & DEN getting cutler & javon walker...

if VY & white become top 5 QB/RB in few years, we will all be saying it was a great draft...

 

[thatguy]

As for Walker, that's be a good trade if he were healthy. Green Bay reached on him in the first (he was pegged as a second rounder), he's coming off an ACL, and he's had one good year playing with a hall of fame QB. This was a big gamble, and almost certainly another step back.

Can you please explain the relevance of this statement? Do you know what round TO was drafted in? How about Rod Smith? Anquan Boldin? I wonder what round those guys were pegged to go in.

When healthy, Javon was a beast on the football field. So, the Broncos gamble on his health just as they'd have gambled on Chad Jackson not busting out like so many other Florida wideouts. Of those gambles, I'll take the former.