Who is better? Beckham or Brown? (1 Viewer)

[Sabertooth]

Who is the better NFL receiver right now. Not just for fantasy football, but actual talent level as of today.

Both look to be Hall of Fame type talents, obviously. Just absolutely spectacular players. Who is better?

 

[Arodin]

PPR: Brown

Non-PPR: Beckham

Non-FF NFL: jury still out; Beckham looks to be special but Brown has proven the stability to do what he does year after year after year. Beckham has that potential, but may or may not achieve it.

 

[Andrew74]

I vote Brown. He's proven for years and isn't a hot head.

 

[Sabertooth]

It's a tough one. I think Beckham is already meeting his potential. Not sure how much better you can get then unstoppable. That said, I voted Brown because he just seems to be just as unstoppable or more, and he gets more chances to show it.

 

[matuski]

It's a tough one. I think Beckham is already meeting his potential. Not sure how much better you can get then unstoppable. That said, I voted Brown because he just seems to be just as unstoppable or more, and he gets more chances to show it.

Beckham got shook today imo. Mentally, physically.. but especially mental.

 

[georg013]

Who gives a merry fu k, I lost because of Brown.

 

[Sabertooth]

, I lost because of Brown. Who gives a merry fu k

FYP

 

[Banger]

Brown has a much better qb and better offense. If Odell had Roth forget it. Beckham is a better athlete and has done more with less at the same stages of their careers. Both are amazing but if I had to choose one its definitely Beckham. Everything that Beckham has done in short career is or is near record breaking levels.

Today's antics and Browns game will definitely sway the vote as well.

 

[rickyg]

Beckham is a generational talent. Brown is a generational talent. Both awesome. Both on different teams and in different situations. Who knows.

I can tell you this much: based on professionalism and character, I'd rather have brown on my team over Beckham any day.

 

[jojoh07]

after lightng up norman today ODB all day

 

[bigmarc27]

after lightng up norman today ODB all day

We watched different games.

 

[jojoh07]

after lightng up norman today ODB all day

We watched different games.

dropped an easy 50 yarder , still who has put up those numbers vs norman this year???

 

[Mr.Pack]

after lightng up norman today ODB all day

We watched different games.

Norman was in ODB's head all day and stuffed his ### for most of the game too.

Brown by a mile and not just based on today, on the whole body of work.

 

[BobbyLayne]

1500 b2b

Has anyone ever had 3 in a row? I think not

AB might do it next year

3 straight over 100 catches

 

[ShamrockPride]

Beckham easily as a pure athlete. Brown just has the better opportunity with Ben and the system he plays in.

 

[bigmarc27]

Beckham easily as a pure athlete. Brown just has the better opportunity with Ben and the system he plays in.

Man, disagree completely.

Brown is the quickest player in the league by a pretty fair margin. You just get him the ball and watch him work.

Beckham is good but not nearly as complete a player as Brown. I'd take Julio above Beckham too.

 

[JuniorNB]

Antonio all day long. Beckham is a mental midget.

 

[JuniorNB]

after lightng up norman today ODB all day

We watched different games.

dropped an easy 50 yarder , still who has put up those numbers vs norman this year???

Norman being in his head is the very reason he dropped it. You ever see Antonio Brown let a DB get him to snap like Norman did to Beckham today? Norman threw Beckham to the ground on the first play and took him out of the game. Brown by a mile. Maybe ODB grows up doneday, but mentally, he's not even in the same tier as Brown or Julio.

 

[NREC34]

1500 b2b

Has anyone ever had 3 in a row? I think not

AB might do it next year

3 straight over 100 catches

Jerry Rice was one yard away. 1499 yards in '94. I'm not sure if anyone actually ever had 3 in a row. I just figured if anyone did it, it would be him and I checked.

 

[MAC_32]

Interesting timing to pose this question.

 

[fred_1_15301]

Interesting timing to pose this question.

I was just about to post the exact same thing. I'm a huge Steelers fan but I have to wonder what the results of this poll would have been had this thread been started last week.

 

[ShamrockPride]

Beckham easily as a pure athlete. Brown just has the better opportunity with Ben and the system he plays in.

Man, disagree completely.

Brown is the quickest player in the league by a pretty fair margin. You just get him the ball and watch him work.

Beckham is good but not nearly as complete a player as Brown. I'd take Julio above Beckham too.

Not gonna completely disagree. It's an interesting question. It's tough to know being on the outside if Brown gets so many catches/targets cause of playcalling or he breaks off defenders so easily. I've just never seen Antonio do the uhhh, "ballerina" stuff (LOL) Beckham does, and again, I don't know if that's because he doesn't have that athleticism or it's just because he never has to.

 

[Banger]

Through ABs first 2 years Brown had about 85 catches 1300 yard and 2 tds. Beckham has 2 games left in his first two seasons Beckham has 176 catches, 2,625 yards and 24 tds (and I don't think that includes today). Beckham will crush Browns numbers if he stays healthy. It won't be close.

 

[lsufan]

Thats a tough one lol. I have enjoyed watching them both this season. I think Brown is better right now.

Going into next years draft it would be a tough call not to pick Brown first. I play PPR only. The only thing that worries me about Brown is Ben. Can Ben stay healthy for a full season?

 

[Ghost Rider]

Brown obviously has the better body of work, but despite his antics today, Beckham is the best WR right now. Beckham's degree of difficulty is much higher than Brown's, yet he is producing at about the same level (less yards, more scores).

 

[Banger]

Brown has played 6 seasons and he's finished 129, 24, 38, 7, 1 and 4. Beckham finished 5th in 12 games and is 1st this year.

 

[elmanx]

Beckham is better catcher of the ball. All the other things a WR needs to do, AB does better.

 

[fred_1_15301]

I gotta go Beckham.

 

[Ladsud]

I gotta go with the guy that doesnt run around punching people in the head. Ill take the pro.

 

[Ladsud]

Is this a potential final career question, or a right now question? Theres no one right now Id rather have than Brown.

 

[tone1oc]

Who is the better NFL receiver right now. Not just for fantasy football, but actual talent level as of today.

Both look to be Hall of Fame type talents, obviously. Just absolutely spectacular players. Who is better?

Kind of an edgy thread for someone who is retired..

Give me AB.

 

[Adam Harstad]

1500 b2b

Has anyone ever had 3 in a row? I think not

AB might do it next year

3 straight over 100 catches

No. Andre, Marvin, and Jerry are the only players with three career 1500+ receiving yard seasons, (Jerry has four), but they weren't all consecutive. Marvin had three in four years, which is the closest.

Although it's worth pointing out that Antonio Brown has actually already topped 1500 yards in three straight years; in 2013, he had 1499 yards receiving and 4 yards rushing for a total of 1503. Of course, if we're going with total yards instead of just receiving yards, (or if we're counting 1499 as "close enough), Jerry also has three straight- he had 1499 receiving and 94 rushing in 1994, in addition to 1500+ receiving in both 1993 and 1995.

Julio's also topped 1500 in each of the past two years and has a chance to make it three straight. But, of course, he was injured in 2013.

 

[BobbyLayne]

1500 b2b

Has anyone ever had 3 in a row? I think not

AB might do it next year

3 straight over 100 catches

Jerry Rice was one yard away. 1499 yards in '94. I'm not sure if anyone actually ever had 3 in a row. I just figured if anyone did it, it would be him and I checked.

Same deal with AB - had 1499 in 2013.

ETA: Megatron had 1492 to go with his two monster seasons.

 

[BobbyLayne]

1450 receiving yards or better has happened 53 times:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&year_min=1920&year_max=2015&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&league_id=&team_id=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_qb=Y&pos_is_rb=Y&pos_is_wr=Y&pos_is_te=Y&pos_is_e=Y&pos_is_t=Y&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_ol=Y&pos_is_dt=Y&pos_is_de=Y&pos_is_dl=Y&pos_is_ilb=Y&pos_is_olb=Y&pos_is_lb=Y&pos_is_cb=Y&pos_is_s=Y&pos_is_db=Y&pos_is_k=Y&pos_is_p=Y&c1stat=rec_yds&c1comp=gt&c1val=1450&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5comp=&c5gtlt=lt&c6mult=1.0&c6comp=&order_by=year_id&order_by_asc=Y&draft=0&draft_year_min=1936&draft_year_max=2015&type=&draft_round_min=0&draft_round_max=99&draft_slot_min=1&draft_slot_max=500&draft_pick_in_round=0&draft_league_id=&draft_team_id=&college_id=all&conference=any&draft_pos_is_qb=Y&draft_pos_is_rb=Y&draft_pos_is_wr=Y&draft_pos_is_te=Y&draft_pos_is_e=Y&draft_pos_is_t=Y&draft_pos_is_g=Y&draft_pos_is_c=Y&draft_pos_is_ol=Y&draft_pos_is_dt=Y&draft_pos_is_de=Y&draft_pos_is_dl=Y&draft_pos_is_ilb=Y&draft_pos_is_olb=Y&draft_pos_is_lb=Y&draft_pos_is_cb=Y&draft_pos_is_s=Y&draft_pos_is_db=Y&draft_pos_is_k=Y&draft_pos_is_p=Y

A player accomplishing that milestone consecutively has happened six times; three did it 3 years in a row:

• Rice 1993-95
• Harrison 2001-02
• Andre Johnson 2008-09
• Calvin Johnson 2011-13
• Antonio Brown 2013-15
• Julio Jones 2014-15

1500 has happened 39 times, and the only players to do it back to back are the same 6 (Antonio, Julio, Calvin, Andre, Marvin and Jerry.) No one has done 1500 3 straight years.

1300 Yards AND 12 TDs has happened 54 times.

Players who did it in consecutive seasons:

• Odell Beckham 2014-15
• Terrell Owens 2000-02
• Marvin Harrison 1999-01
• Jerry Rice 1993-95
• Jerry Rice 1989-90
• Lance Alworth 1965-66

Pretty rare feat.

ETA: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&year_min=1920&year_max=2015&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&league_id=&team_id=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_qb=Y&pos_is_rb=Y&pos_is_wr=Y&pos_is_te=Y&pos_is_e=Y&pos_is_t=Y&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_ol=Y&pos_is_dt=Y&pos_is_de=Y&pos_is_dl=Y&pos_is_ilb=Y&pos_is_olb=Y&pos_is_lb=Y&pos_is_cb=Y&pos_is_s=Y&pos_is_db=Y&pos_is_k=Y&pos_is_p=Y&c1stat=rec_yds&c1comp=gt&c1val=1300&c2stat=rec_td&c2comp=gt&c2val=12&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5comp=&c5gtlt=lt&c6mult=1.0&c6comp=&order_by=year_id&draft=0&draft_year_min=1936&draft_year_max=2015&type=&draft_round_min=0&draft_round_max=99&draft_slot_min=1&draft_slot_max=500&draft_pick_in_round=0&draft_league_id=&draft_team_id=&college_id=all&conference=any&draft_pos_is_qb=Y&draft_pos_is_rb=Y&draft_pos_is_wr=Y&draft_pos_is_te=Y&draft_pos_is_e=Y&draft_pos_is_t=Y&draft_pos_is_g=Y&draft_pos_is_c=Y&draft_pos_is_ol=Y&draft_pos_is_dt=Y&draft_pos_is_de=Y&draft_pos_is_dl=Y&draft_pos_is_ilb=Y&draft_pos_is_olb=Y&draft_pos_is_lb=Y&draft_pos_is_cb=Y&draft_pos_is_s=Y&draft_pos_is_db=Y&draft_pos_is_k=Y&draft_pos_is_p=Y

 

[ghostguy123]

Not really evena fair question. Answer is clearly Brown, but where was Brown at 22?

 

[BobbyLayne]

Not really evena fair question. Answer is clearly Brown, but where was Brown at 22?

Is that fair? Odell went to a football factory. Antonio walked on the team in Mount Pleasant. At 22 Odell is finishing up his second year. He's lived up to massive expectations and surpassed them. Nobody (outside of Chippewa alumni) knew who AB was. At 22 he was happy to make the team. Scored a TD on the first play of his career (89 yard reverse off a kick return.) Pretty much everyone thought he was JAG and Emmanuel Sanders was the one to watch.

At the end of his second NFL season, he made his first Pro Bowl (1000 yards returning and receiving, NFL first.) He was showing signs he might be good, but still, no one, not even those Chip alums, had any idea how good he would be.

Everyone had expectations for OBJ, and after his rookie year, every armchair expert was debating "great or greatest?" He never had a break in period.

AB spent several years perfecting his craft, working tirelessly. Dude has skills - I saw him his Freshman year, we were all like "Damn, don't usually see that kind of quicks in the MAC." But OBJ is truly gifted. I'm sure he has a fantastic work ethic as well, but these guys have taken two completely different paths. Not really fair at all to say "well at this age..." or "after season X."

 

[ghostguy123]

Not really evena fair question. Answer is clearly Brown, but where was Brown at 22?

Is that fair? Odell went to a football factory. Antonio walked on the team in Mount Pleasant. At 22 Odell is finishing up his second year. He's lived up to massive expectations and surpassed them. Nobody (outside of Chippewa alumni) knew who AB was. At 22 he was happy to make the team. Scored a TD on the first play of his career (89 yard reverse off a kick return.) Pretty much everyone thought he was JAG and Emmanuel Sanders was the one to watch.

At the end of his second NFL season, he made his first Pro Bowl (1000 yards returning and receiving, NFL first.) He was showing signs he might be good, but still, no one, not even those Chip alums, had any idea how good he would be.

Everyone had expectations for OBJ, and after his rookie year, every armchair expert was debating "great or greatest?" He never had a break in period.

AB spent several years perfecting his craft, working tirelessly. Dude has skills - I saw him his Freshman year, we were all like "Damn, don't usually see that kind of quicks in the MAC." But OBJ is truly gifted. I'm sure he has a fantastic work ethic as well, but these guys have taken two completely different paths. Not really fair at all to say "well at this age..." or "after season X."

Total BS. Of course it is fair to bring up age and years of service. How the #### could it not be?The point is this. Brown is better right now, but so what? No WR EVER was better at 22 than Brown is right now.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Not really evena fair question. Answer is clearly Brown, but where was Brown at 22?

Is that fair? Odell went to a football factory. Antonio walked on the team in Mount Pleasant. At 22 Odell is finishing up his second year. He's lived up to massive expectations and surpassed them. Nobody (outside of Chippewa alumni) knew who AB was. At 22 he was happy to make the team. Scored a TD on the first play of his career (89 yard reverse off a kick return.) Pretty much everyone thought he was JAG and Emmanuel Sanders was the one to watch.

At the end of his second NFL season, he made his first Pro Bowl (1000 yards returning and receiving, NFL first.) He was showing signs he might be good, but still, no one, not even those Chip alums, had any idea how good he would be.

Everyone had expectations for OBJ, and after his rookie year, every armchair expert was debating "great or greatest?" He never had a break in period.

AB spent several years perfecting his craft, working tirelessly. Dude has skills - I saw him his Freshman year, we were all like "Damn, don't usually see that kind of quicks in the MAC." But OBJ is truly gifted. I'm sure he has a fantastic work ethic as well, but these guys have taken two completely different paths. Not really fair at all to say "well at this age..." or "after season X."

Total BS. Of course it is fair to bring up age and years of service. How the #### could it not be

:whoosh:

 

[ghostguy123]

Did you miss the part where i answered the question?

 

[Sabertooth]

Who is the better NFL receiver right now. Not just for fantasy football, but actual talent level as of today.

Both look to be Hall of Fame type talents, obviously. Just absolutely spectacular players. Who is better?

Kind of an edgy thread for someone who is retired..

Give me AB.

Not retired just yet. Brown has me playing in a championship game next week.

 

[ShamrockPride]

Not really evena fair question. Answer is clearly Brown, but where was Brown at 22?

Is that fair? Odell went to a football factory. Antonio walked on the team in Mount Pleasant. At 22 Odell is finishing up his second year. He's lived up to massive expectations and surpassed them. Nobody (outside of Chippewa alumni) knew who AB was. At 22 he was happy to make the team. Scored a TD on the first play of his career (89 yard reverse off a kick return.) Pretty much everyone thought he was JAG and Emmanuel Sanders was the one to watch.

At the end of his second NFL season, he made his first Pro Bowl (1000 yards returning and receiving, NFL first.) He was showing signs he might be good, but still, no one, not even those Chip alums, had any idea how good he would be.

Everyone had expectations for OBJ, and after his rookie year, every armchair expert was debating "great or greatest?" He never had a break in period.

AB spent several years perfecting his craft, working tirelessly. Dude has skills - I saw him his Freshman year, we were all like "Damn, don't usually see that kind of quicks in the MAC." But OBJ is truly gifted. I'm sure he has a fantastic work ethic as well, but these guys have taken two completely different paths. Not really fair at all to say "well at this age..." or "after season X."

Total BS. Of course it is fair to bring up age and years of service. How the #### could it not be?The point is this. Brown is better right now, but so what? No WR EVER was better at 22 than Brown is right now.

Endlessly debatable unfortunately. The only 22 yo receiver who could stand up to what Brown is doing now is a 16-game, prorated Beckham. Quite likely he could stand toe-to-toe, but we'll never know for sure.

 

[Adam Harstad]

Not really evena fair question. Answer is clearly Brown, but where was Brown at 22?

Is that fair? Odell went to a football factory. Antonio walked on the team in Mount Pleasant. At 22 Odell is finishing up his second year. He's lived up to massive expectations and surpassed them. Nobody (outside of Chippewa alumni) knew who AB was. At 22 he was happy to make the team. Scored a TD on the first play of his career (89 yard reverse off a kick return.) Pretty much everyone thought he was JAG and Emmanuel Sanders was the one to watch.

At the end of his second NFL season, he made his first Pro Bowl (1000 yards returning and receiving, NFL first.) He was showing signs he might be good, but still, no one, not even those Chip alums, had any idea how good he would be.

Everyone had expectations for OBJ, and after his rookie year, every armchair expert was debating "great or greatest?" He never had a break in period.

AB spent several years perfecting his craft, working tirelessly. Dude has skills - I saw him his Freshman year, we were all like "Damn, don't usually see that kind of quicks in the MAC." But OBJ is truly gifted. I'm sure he has a fantastic work ethic as well, but these guys have taken two completely different paths. Not really fair at all to say "well at this age..." or "after season X."

ESPN had a really cool piece on Antonio Brown's path to the NFL: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14179705/antonio-brown-ty-hilton-unlikely-bond

 

[Adam Harstad]

Not really evena fair question. Answer is clearly Brown, but where was Brown at 22?

I don't know why the question would be unfair. It seems like a perfectly fair, (and common) question.

Who is the better WR today? If you were the owner of a team and playing a game tomorrow, who would you want starting for you? It's a common question; the kind of question that gets asked by football fans every day.

Believing Antonio Brown is the better receiver today isn't claiming that he's going to be the better receiver forever and ever amen. It isn't claiming that Beckham has peaked and will never improve, (or that Brown has peaked and will never improve, either). It's just a question. Who is the best WR in the NFL right now? The question is no more unfair to Odell Beckham, who might have a strong case if he were two years older, than it is to Calvin Johnson, who would have an equally strong case if he was two years younger. Or any more unfair than it is to Jordy Nelson, who would have something to say if he were healthy.

Again, a perfectly normal, perfectly fair question that people are tasked with answering all the time. Pro Bowl voting. All Pro balloting. Offensive Player of the Year honors. Fantasy drafts. Bar bets. Etc.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Not really evena fair question. Answer is clearly Brown, but where was Brown at 22?

Is that fair? Odell went to a football factory. Antonio walked on the team in Mount Pleasant. At 22 Odell is finishing up his second year. He's lived up to massive expectations and surpassed them. Nobody (outside of Chippewa alumni) knew who AB was. At 22 he was happy to make the team. Scored a TD on the first play of his career (89 yard reverse off a kick return.) Pretty much everyone thought he was JAG and Emmanuel Sanders was the one to watch.

At the end of his second NFL season, he made his first Pro Bowl (1000 yards returning and receiving, NFL first.) He was showing signs he might be good, but still, no one, not even those Chip alums, had any idea how good he would be.

Everyone had expectations for OBJ, and after his rookie year, every armchair expert was debating "great or greatest?" He never had a break in period.

AB spent several years perfecting his craft, working tirelessly. Dude has skills - I saw him his Freshman year, we were all like "Damn, don't usually see that kind of quicks in the MAC." But OBJ is truly gifted. I'm sure he has a fantastic work ethic as well, but these guys have taken two completely different paths. Not really fair at all to say "well at this age..." or "after season X."

ESPN had a really cool piece on Antonio Brown's path to the NFL: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14179705/antonio-brown-ty-hilton-unlikely-bond

It's a great story. Azzanni and his wife basically saved AB. He had all the talent but never had a father figure (or not enough, should say.) He lit it up right from the get go but he needed an assistant coach who could just help him with basic life skills (getting up, getting to class, working on and off the field, etc.)

 

[BobbyLayne]

Compare and contrast: Odell Beckham Jr, son of an LSU star RB and a mom who was an all-american sprinter. Went to the same h.s. Archie Manning sent his kids to. Star from the get go.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14392028/behind-odell-beckham-jr-quest-greatness-nfl

 

[Loipz]

I'll take brown next week

 

[BobbyLayne]

Not really evena fair question. Answer is clearly Brown, but where was Brown at 22?

I'll try this again.

While @ age 23 and 2nd season is seemingly apples to apples, it's really not. OBJ was a 4 star recruit (#6 nationally), AB was barely on anyone's radar - & transferred from Florida International without playing a down, walked onto Central Michigan. Both were stars as Freshman - AB put up better numbers against lessor comp - but OBJ was in the NFL development league (SEC), AB was still figuring out basic life skills like waking up & being on time. So there side by side track ought to be taken into account. It's not a knock on OBJ that he came from a stable background, but AB had a lot of bull#### to overcome.

I have no doubt both have a phenomenal work ethic. Coughlin does not bull####. If he says OBJ is a team first guy and out works everyone, I believe him. AB had a little steeper hill to climb. Once he got to the top though, ain't nobody pushing him off. I have a ton of respect for what AB achieved.

But I think it's fair to say development wise, we didn't see AB at his peak until year 3 or 4. Just had a different path. OBJ came in, and even that first month you could see he was special. Then after the bye he just destroyed the league & never looked back.

AB's three year run as the best WR inn the league has been phenomenal. Cannot be stopped when Ben is in the game.

If OBJ stays healthy, and if he doesn't get in his own way, he can be the Jerry Rice of this generation. There a ton of good wideouts in the league, but outside of Julio or Hopkins on their best days, nobody is in the same class.

 

[Sabertooth]

Is this a potential final career question, or a right now question? Theres no one right now Id rather have than Brown.

Right now. I put it right in the OP.

 

[Sabertooth]

Not really evena fair question. Answer is clearly Brown, but where was Brown at 22?

I'll try this again.

While @ age 23 and 2nd season is seemingly apples to apples, it's really not. OBJ was a 4 star recruit (#6 nationally), AB was barely on anyone's radar - & transferred from Florida International without playing a down, walked onto Central Michigan. Both were stars as Freshman - AB put up better numbers against lessor comp - but OBJ was in the NFL development league (SEC), AB was still figuring out basic life skills like waking up & being on time. So there side by side track ought to be taken into account. It's not a knock on OBJ that he came from a stable background, but AB had a lot of bull#### to overcome.

I have no doubt both have a phenomenal work ethic. Coughlin does not bull####. If he says OBJ is a team first guy and out works everyone, I believe him. AB had a little steeper hill to climb. Once he got to the top though, ain't nobody pushing him off. I have a ton of respect for what AB achieved.

But I think it's fair to say development wise, we didn't see AB at his peak until year 3 or 4. Just had a different path. OBJ came in, and even that first month you could see he was special. Then after the bye he just destroyed the league & never looked back.

AB's three year run as the best WR inn the league has been phenomenal. Cannot be stopped when Ben is in the game.

If OBJ stays healthy, and if he doesn't get in his own way, he can be the Jerry Rice of this generation. There a ton of good wideouts in the league, but outside of Julio or Hopkins on their best days, nobody is in the same class.

I agreed right up until that last sentence. Brown is better than Julio or Hopkins.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Not really evena fair question. Answer is clearly Brown, but where was Brown at 22?

I'll try this again.

While @ age 23 and 2nd season is seemingly apples to apples, it's really not. OBJ was a 4 star recruit (#6 nationally), AB was barely on anyone's radar - & transferred from Florida International without playing a down, walked onto Central Michigan. Both were stars as Freshman - AB put up better numbers against lessor comp - but OBJ was in the NFL development league (SEC), AB was still figuring out basic life skills like waking up & being on time. So there side by side track ought to be taken into account. It's not a knock on OBJ that he came from a stable background, but AB had a lot of bull#### to overcome.

I have no doubt both have a phenomenal work ethic. Coughlin does not bull####. If he says OBJ is a team first guy and out works everyone, I believe him. AB had a little steeper hill to climb. Once he got to the top though, ain't nobody pushing him off. I have a ton of respect for what AB achieved.

But I think it's fair to say development wise, we didn't see AB at his peak until year 3 or 4. Just had a different path. OBJ came in, and even that first month you could see he was special. Then after the bye he just destroyed the league & never looked back.

AB's three year run as the best WR inn the league has been phenomenal. Cannot be stopped when Ben is in the game.

If OBJ stays healthy, and if he doesn't get in his own way, he can be the Jerry Rice of this generation. There a ton of good wideouts in the league, but outside of Julio or Hopkins on their best days, nobody is in the same class.

I agreed right up until that last sentence. Brown is better than Julio or Hopkins.

Two sentences before that I called AB the best WR in the league? Guess it is a little ambiguous.

I've owned AB three years running, 4 of the last 5. He keyed my last championship (2013) and obviously is the cornerstone of this year's team that is playing for one next week.

But looking at next year, I think I will be targeting those four. This is a 20+ year redraft, draft order is randomized in June, we hold it the Sunday before Labor Day every year. I've been very successful starting WR/WR or WR/WR/WR (full PPR), and obviously Brown's price has gone up every year. Felt lucky to get him at 1.04, gotta figure out a plan B for next year because unless I get lucky with the slot, probably not getting him in 2016.

I feel like all four have enough targets to be a great foundation piece. FTR, AB is top dog ATM. But no one has done 1500 three straight years - AB has 3 years of 1499 or better - so a slight drop off next year would not surprise. Bryant is a serious talent, and I could see the distribution shifting slightly going forward.