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Who is the Steelers RB to own going forward? (1 Viewer)
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Throw a dart.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Redman was an absolute beast. I think he should be the starter going forward
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
This is the same answer as it's always been: If Mendenhall is healthy, it'll be him. If he isn't, but Redman is, it'll be Ike. If both are out, Dwyer draws the start. There is a pecking order that they have and they've followed it pretty strictly if everyone is healthy. That's only happened, like, once this year so far though.
Tomlin is coach who will always play "his guys" to a fault. Mendenhalll absolutely qualifies as one of "his guys." Redman isn't far behind. Dwyer is a guy who has shown up twice to camp fat and has taken a while to pick up things in his two years with the team. He has certainly seemed to be making some strides, but he still has to vault the other two guys in the coach's pecking order. I don't think Tomlin hates the guy or anything, but he has really only played him when forced(Hell, when Mendenhall and Redman are both healthy at the same time Dwyer is usually deactivated. He doesn't play teams).
You can argue the merits of that mindset, but it's pretty much the one that Tomlin's shown to have to this point. I expect the moment Mendenhall can play, he's starting. Until then if Redman's close to 100% he'll be starting.
Tomlin is coach who will always play "his guys" to a fault. Mendenhalll absolutely qualifies as one of "his guys." Redman isn't far behind. Dwyer is a guy who has shown up twice to camp fat and has taken a while to pick up things in his two years with the team. He has certainly seemed to be making some strides, but he still has to vault the other two guys in the coach's pecking order. I don't think Tomlin hates the guy or anything, but he has really only played him when forced(Hell, when Mendenhall and Redman are both healthy at the same time Dwyer is usually deactivated. He doesn't play teams).
You can argue the merits of that mindset, but it's pretty much the one that Tomlin's shown to have to this point. I expect the moment Mendenhall can play, he's starting. Until then if Redman's close to 100% he'll be starting.
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Raider Nation
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The most surprising thing in all of this is that the Steelers can suddenly run block. 
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
This is what should be being talked about, yes.It's certainly shocking to me....and I'm a Steelers fan.The most surprising thing in all of this is that the Steelers can suddenly run block.
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From what the veterans from the offensive line were saying, they prefer Redman and Dwyer's style of running. Unfortunately for Dwyer, he got hurt at an inopportune time, and Redman did what he probably would have done. Timeshare from here on out. I doubt anyone just runs away with the gig, especially Redman.
Hendo
Footballguy
Yea I sense absolutely now bias in this reply /end sarcasim
A lot of credit should go to new RT Mike Adams. No coincidence since he became a starter after Gilbert's injury that the Steelers have been running great. He's raw in pass pro, but is a very good run blocking tackle. A mammoth of a young man.The most surprising thing in all of this is that the Steelers can suddenly run block.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Redman and Dwyer certainly seem to fit Pittsburgh's blue-collar, maul-you-for-60-minutes style of play better than Mendy, who seems to dance too much rather than hit the hole. Of course, my opinion could be based on the fact that I have Redman and Dwyer but not Mendenhall.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
Dywer owner I assume? There is no bias. I own none of the Steelers runners in any league. Just follow the team closely.You don't wanna hear it, that's cool. They've went out of their way to prove it this year: When Mendenhall's healthy, he's started. When Redman is healthy, he's started. When neither of those guys were healthy, Dwyer started. When both the other guys have been healthy Dwyer hasn't even dressed.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
This sums up everything quite nicely.
i think there is a clear dropoff from dwyer/mendenhall to redman. although ike had a great game today, i still think that mendenhall and dwyer are fighting for the #1 spot, assuming both are healthy. local talk guys think that dwyer has won the job but i disagree. i think tomlin will run some kind of a split with mendenhall getting a few more carries than dwyer. again, assuming all are healthy.
Hendo
Footballguy
I own none just a pittsburgh fan and its highly comical reading FF opinions when they never watch the games live.
Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub
Footballguy
Mendenhall if healthy.
Dwyer gave them a reason (by sitting out) for them to go back to Mendenhall. Redman running well won't help Dwyer's cause either. Dwyer really really missed a prime opportunity to put his stamp on the starting gig.
*And I firmly believe Dwyer their best rusher. But also know that Mendenhall's a 1st round pick that's given them 3 solid seasons (missing 1 game) as their horse. While Dwyer's shown up out of shape 2 of them.
Dwyer gave them a reason (by sitting out) for them to go back to Mendenhall. Redman running well won't help Dwyer's cause either. Dwyer really really missed a prime opportunity to put his stamp on the starting gig.
*And I firmly believe Dwyer their best rusher. But also know that Mendenhall's a 1st round pick that's given them 3 solid seasons (missing 1 game) as their horse. While Dwyer's shown up out of shape 2 of them.
Phenix
Footballguy
Like a month and a half ago familiar.
Phenix
Footballguy
Like most fantasy opinions on this site. People favor who is on their team, not the facts.Mendy is and has been the #1 in Pittsburgh, nothing changes.As I recall, Mendy has had some pretty good games in his past as well and has shown he can do it over the long haul. Redman and Dwyer are just backups who will be back to such once Mendy is back.I think mendy would of had bigger games if he was healthy. He is faster and quicker, even after the injury.
3C's
Footballguy
Pretty sure finkle watches the games.
What are you talking about?His 1st post was spot-on. When Mendenhall is healthy, he's going to be the guy. The went out of their way to keep him off the PUP in preseason so they could have him available in weeks, 4/5/6, even though they knew he wouldn't be 100%, and would miss the 1st month, at minimum while recovering from his injury. They started him and gave him a pretty significant workload in his first game back, and Tomlin has always favored his veterans. Assuming all 3 RBs are healthy, it's going to be:MendenhallRedmanDwyer (if he is even active; as noted, he doesn't play special teams and Rainey and Batch do; it's unlikely they will have 5 active RBs)
Hendo
Footballguy
I never questioned that go read my replys well before he chimed in I was reffering to the bias it seemed against Dwyer. In fact not just him but many feel hes lazy because hes larger then normal but they have no idea what they are talking about.
I have both Mendenhall and Dwyer and several healthy RB's on the WW this week like Vick Ballard and Marcell Reece. It would be nice to know what the ROS looks like for these 2 guys because I can't just keep rostering players that aren't going to play while everyone else is scooping up production.
I don't need to read your replies. YOU quoted his post, which explained the situation quite well. I quoted your post, where you implied that his post was "comical," and that he must not actually watch the games. Any other replies you made to other posts/posters are irrelevant. If you were referring to other posts, then don't quote his, because his post was not comical, nor indicitave of an individual who doesn't watch the Steelers.
AngryPatriot
Footballguy
Dwymanhall....
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
or you caould say that Redman got hurt at an inopportune time...'nb009 said:
zamboni
Footballguy
That's the 64K question if you're in a keeper/dynasty league.I think Mendy will get an offer elsewhere that is more than the Steelers will want to pay. If so, the other question is whether the team is content to roll with Dwyer, Redman, Batch and Rainey. Recent returns have been great, but it's obviously a long season.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Mike Tomlin said today in his press conference that he is going to go with the RB that has the hot hand.
This week Mendenhall is questionable and Dwyer likely returns but I am guessing Redman gets the start. After that it is anyone's guess...
This week Mendenhall is questionable and Dwyer likely returns but I am guessing Redman gets the start. After that it is anyone's guess...
zamboni
Footballguy
Good info - thanks.Against the Chiefs, there may be enough to go around for at least two of them.
Considering Redman was averaging sub 3 YPC before yesterday, and Dwyer came in and outperformed anythig Redman has shown all season, I think it's fair to say Dwyer got hurt at a inopportune time.
zamboni
Footballguy
Dwyer's injury was definitely unfortunate for him, but I wouldn't say that Dwyer did anything better than what Redman did against the defending Super Bowl champs - on the road, no less.No doubt that Giants game impressed the coaching staff quite a bit.
This works both ways:Considering Dwyer was averaging sub 3 YPC before Redman & Mendenhall got hurt, and Redman came in against the Gianst and outperformed anything Dwyer has shown all season, I think it's fair to say Redman got hurt at an inopportune time.The fact is that the Steelers O-line has been much better since the bye, and all 3 RBs have benefited from that improvement.
Yeah, you're right. All I'm saying is, if Dwyer stayed healthy, I think he would have been given the start (since Redman is still a bit banged up and showed absolutely nothing until Sunday), and potentially have a similar performance as the past two weeks. That's why I think it was unfortunate for him. If Dwyer was healthy, Redman would have never gotten a shot to carry the full load, and would still be the guy averaging 2.5 YPC on 50 carries. Now, Redman's performance kind of solidifies a timeshare going forward.'zamboni said:
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Chaka
Footballguy
Aye, and if my grandmother had wheels she'd be a wagon.
I see where you're going with this, BUT by no means did Redman outperform Dwyer. From a fantasy perspective, maybe, since he got 30 more yards (on 9 more carries) and a goal line TD, but I think they both performed at the same level at best. Wasn't Dwyer leading the league at yards after contact or something?'Bayhawks said:
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
So is it fair to say that if BOTH Dwyer AND Redman are active but Mendenhall is not, then we are looking at time share with an unpredictable result on MNF vs KC? There should be lots of running and piling on Chiefs turnovers, so maybe they both do well if so. Maybe they each get a TD.
If you are going to use absolutes like "BY NO MEANS," you should probably be absolutely sure your position is defensible.Dwyer-best single game yardage total:122 yards; Redman-best single game yardage total:147 yards
Dwyer-best FF score (standard league)-12.2 FF points; Redman-best FF score: 21.1 FF points.
If you wanted to suggest that based on YPC, or yards after contact (although, A LOT of Redman's yards on Sunday came after contact), Redman's performance wasn't better, you might be able to defend that, but by suggesting that "BY NO MEANS" was Redman better than Dwyer, you made an argument that can't be defended, since there are at least 2 ways that Redman's performance was better.
But, that wasn't the point. The point was that both RBs (Mendenhall, too, in his 1st game back) have performed well; so the argument can be made that the improved O-line, rather than 1 RB being superior to the others, is the reason behind the success Pitt RBs have been experiencing.
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
Dwyer sucked too before the Tennessee game. Redman had been playing hurt. between the rest and Steelers re-tooling their line, he looks like a new man and looked strong against a pretty sold defense. Counting receiving, he's coming off of a couple of hundred yard games himself'nb009 said:
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I am expecting Redman to get the start with Dwyer getting significant carries provided he is healthy. Chris Rainey is also on the injury report with very bruised ribs and will likely be cleared to play as Tomlin said it is a pain tolerance issue.
Franknbeans
Footballguy
Dwyer
Mendenhall
Redman
Mendenhall
Redman
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
From Kirby Wilson, via Mark Kaboly(beat writer for the Tribune Review):
Dwyer looked good in his last two starts. No question. He's still the guy who is most likely to wind up deactivated if Mendenhall/Redman/Dwyer/Rainey/Batch are all eligible to play. This is not that hard to read the tea leaves on if you bother to take a look at how they've handled the position when all 5 are healthy. They'll usually only dress 4 tailbacks: Mendnehall starts. Redman is the #2. Rainey and Batch both play teams and play on third downs. That makes Dwyer the odd man out.
And as far as "watching the games live," I guess Dwyer only looks like the Michelin Man on my TV? Weird. My screen must have the world's most jacked up aspect ratio ever. Maybe it was the horizontal stripes on those "Cheeseburglar" throwbacks.....or, you know, maybe he's just sorta fat.
Full articleWilson basically says the same thing Tomlin did earlier in the week; They will play whoever is producing during the game, but Mendnenhall is going to be given the first chance to be productive as soon as he's healthy.
Wasn't a FF opinion, it's a reality opinion. Don't own a single Steeler runner anywhere and have never been much of a fan of any of their top three guys. Tomlin/the RBs coach believe that Mendenhall is the best runner on the roster. When he's healthy, he starts. People may not want to agree with Tomlin/Wilson, which is their prerogative, but they've never been reticent about saying this. After 3-4 years you'd think more people would start believing them.
Dwyer looked good in his last two starts. No question. He's still the guy who is most likely to wind up deactivated if Mendenhall/Redman/Dwyer/Rainey/Batch are all eligible to play. This is not that hard to read the tea leaves on if you bother to take a look at how they've handled the position when all 5 are healthy. They'll usually only dress 4 tailbacks: Mendnehall starts. Redman is the #2. Rainey and Batch both play teams and play on third downs. That makes Dwyer the odd man out.
And as far as "watching the games live," I guess Dwyer only looks like the Michelin Man on my TV? Weird. My screen must have the world's most jacked up aspect ratio ever. Maybe it was the horizontal stripes on those "Cheeseburglar" throwbacks.....or, you know, maybe he's just sorta fat.
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Raider Nation
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Raider Nation
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Now official:
If you are having depth/bye week issues, I'd start Redman AND Dwyer if you have both of them.
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