Who needs AJ Green? (2 Viewers)

[daveR]

The #6 pick should be pretty valuable this year. There seems to be about 10-11 top talents in this draft. Most mocks have AJ Green being taken by the Browns.

Who has extra picks and could use the top WR? New England? San Diego?

 

[MAC_32]

The #6 pick should be pretty valuable this year. There seems to be about 10-11 top talents in this draft. Most mocks have AJ Green being taken by the Browns. Who has extra picks and could use the top WR? New England? San Diego?

Much more likely to see a team jump San Fran for one of the (mediocre) quarterbacks, I'm looking hopefully in Minnesota's direction. A 1 and a 2 for our 1 and maybe Julio Jones falls? That'd be nice.

 

[DawgPoundNJ]

If that's the route you're going Dave, Green's stock is dipping and Julio Jones' stock is rising.

We're in a good spot at 6; we have QB guru in Holmgren throwing up smokescreens if Newton or Gabbert are there, and some mocks have Newton and Gabbert going in the top 5. Should that happen, an outstanding DT will be there for us. If the QBs are there, we have a bargaining chip considering Holmgren's smokescreens.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Nobody needs Green more than the Browns do. Do you really want to go another season with Mohamed Massaquoi as your top WR?

 

[cobalt_27]

If that's the route you're going Dave, Green's stock is dipping stable and Julio Jones' stock is rising.

Fixed.

 

[MAC_32]

Nobody needs Green more than the Browns do. Do you really want to go another season with Mohamed Massaquoi as your top WR?

I think whether we really covet a WR in the 1st depends on how we feel about Titus Young, there are lots of DeSean Jackson comparisons out there and our GM is the guy who drafted DeSean Jackson. If we stay at 6 I think we're going with someone on the DL, which I'm not too crazy about given the guys available.

 

[daveR]

Nobody needs Green more than the Browns do. Do you really want to go another season with Mohamed Massaquoi as your top WR?

I think whether we really covet a WR in the 1st depends on how we feel about Titus Young, there are lots of DeSean Jackson comparisons out there and our GM is the guy who drafted DeSean Jackson. If we stay at 6 I think we're going with someone on the DL, which I'm not too crazy about given the guys available.

I don't think they can afford to take a WR. (I was hoping to get one during FA.)

 

[daveR]

How about Atlanta?

Pairing another blue chip WR with Roddy would make them awesome.

 

[cobalt_27]

Nobody needs Green more than the Browns do. Do you really want to go another season with Mohamed Massaquoi as your top WR?

I think whether we really covet a WR in the 1st depends on how we feel about Titus Young, there are lots of DeSean Jackson comparisons out there and our GM is the guy who drafted DeSean Jackson. If we stay at 6 I think we're going with someone on the DL, which I'm not too crazy about given the guys available.

Anyone making comparisons to DeSean Jackson needs to just stop. Stop it right now. Being small and fast does not make you DJ. He's not the greatest WR to ever walk the face of the planet, nor is he the best WR right now. But, he is a unique talent, and it sets every small/fast WR up for failure if we go down the easy road of making this connection.

 

[Gamblin'man]

Nobody needs Green more than the Browns do. Do you really want to go another season with Mohamed Massaquoi as your top WR?

I think whether we really covet a WR in the 1st depends on how we feel about Titus Young, there are lots of DeSean Jackson comparisons out there and our GM is the guy who drafted DeSean Jackson. If we stay at 6 I think we're going with someone on the DL, which I'm not too crazy about given the guys available.

Anyone making comparisons to DeSean Jackson needs to just stop. Stop it right now. Being small and fast does not make you DJ. He's not the greatest WR to ever walk the face of the planet, nor is he the best WR right now. But, he is a unique talent, and it sets every small/fast WR up for failure if we go down the easy road of making this connection.

Agree, sort of like how every short slot guy is now hyped as a "Wes Welker clone". As if they will ever do what Wes does. AJ Green is an elite talent and should have a productive NFL career. Titus Young is just one more WR prospect. The difference between the two is vast. Don't assume you can pass on Green and still get equal production from a question like Young.

 

[Phlash]

How about Atlanta?Pairing another blue chip WR with Roddy would make them awesome.

Matt Ryan would get an enormous fantasy bump in that case.

 

[eakfootball]

I would love him in New England. How about the 17th and 59th picks for a pick to get Green.

 

[captain_amazing]

I would love him in New England. How about the 17th and 59th picks for a pick to get Green.

Sorry - those are being used to acquire someone like a Robert Quinn. Besides, it would take much more than those two picks to get into the top 5, IIRC. But, if we could get Green and someone like Quinn, I'd totally be down for that.

 

[Sinrman]

Nah, NE doesn't have a track record of trading up like that, especially that far up. And Atlanta would have to give up a pretty penny to move up that far,

so I don't see them doing it either. Nor do they seem to have a track record either.

If he somehow were to last until pick #6, I would LOVE to see my Lions move up from #13 to grab Peterson.

 

[daveR]

Nah, NE doesn't have a track record of trading up like that, especially that far up. And Atlanta would have to give up a pretty penny to move up that far,

so I don't see them doing it either. Nor do they seem to have a track record either.

If he somehow were to last until pick #6, I would LOVE to see my Lions move up from #13 to grab Peterson.

If Peterson fell to #6, you'd have a tough time prying that pick outta my hands!Re: ATL, I don't know if a 1 and a 2 would do it. I imagine it would.

Re: NE, I agree -- they don't trade up, but isn't it time they do something with those extra picks??

 

[daveR]

Also re: Atl... If the Browns traded down to their spot, they'd have to revamp the thinking and go OL.

 

[daveR]

How about the Jets? They'd have to dip into next year's picks, but a #1 WR (with hands) would be an interesting addition!

(BTW, I still like the ATL idea!)

 

[MAC_32]

Nobody needs Green more than the Browns do. Do you really want to go another season with Mohamed Massaquoi as your top WR?

I think whether we really covet a WR in the 1st depends on how we feel about Titus Young, there are lots of DeSean Jackson comparisons out there and our GM is the guy who drafted DeSean Jackson. If we stay at 6 I think we're going with someone on the DL, which I'm not too crazy about given the guys available.

Anyone making comparisons to DeSean Jackson needs to just stop. Stop it right now. Being small and fast does not make you DJ. He's not the greatest WR to ever walk the face of the planet, nor is he the best WR right now. But, he is a unique talent, and it sets every small/fast WR up for failure if we go down the easy road of making this connection.

Agree, sort of like how every short slot guy is now hyped as a "Wes Welker clone". As if they will ever do what Wes does. AJ Green is an elite talent and should have a productive NFL career. Titus Young is just one more WR prospect. The difference between the two is vast. Don't assume you can pass on Green and still get equal production from a question like Young.

I don't know what the DL talent looks like in round 2/3, but if the top DL's are on the same plane as Green in the Browns book and the Browns think a lot more highly of Titus than they do the 2nd/3rd round DL's then there's your tiebreaker.

 

[daveR]

Seems to me that we've got enough route-runners. In this case, Julio might be the better choice.

 

[n20]

I do think the Browns will have plenty of action for the #6 pick but for Patrick Peterson, not AJ Green. I could easily see Dallas or Detroit making a move up to nab Peterson before the Niners select at #7 overall.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

I would love him in New England. How about the 17th and 59th picks for a pick to get Green.

Sorry - those are being used to acquire someone like a Robert Quinn. Besides, it would take much more than those two picks to get into the top 5, IIRC. But, if we could get Green and someone like Quinn, I'd totally be down for that.

Getting Quinn would take a haul of picks as well. Stay at 17 and take the pick of Cam Jordan, JJ Watt, Ryan Kerrigan or Aldon Smith.

 

[daveR]

Think Dallas would want to trade up if Peterson were available?

 

[Tackling Dummies]

Think Dallas would want to trade up if Peterson were available?

Who knows what Jones will do, but I'd be surprised if he's still on the board at 6.

 

[daveR]

Think Dallas would want to trade up if Peterson were available?

Who knows what Jones will do, but I'd be surprised if he's still on the board at 6.

Depends on the QBs. Scuttlebutt says CAR goes QB, DEN should take Dareus, BUF has been pretty straightforwardly (per WalterFootball) hinting at a QB, CIN needs to take someone on offense, ARZ can go with Von Miller or Peterson. It wouldn't surprise me to see Miller go to BUF, though. They need tacklers and are going 3-4. The QB then falls to CIN or ARZ. I'll bet one of them takes Newton / Gabbert.

 

[chinawildman]

If Peterson or Miller is there at 6 I can see SF swapping picks with CLE to make sure they get their guy. They already showed last year that they're willing to move up just a few spots to make sure they get the guy they're targeting.

 

[Sinrman]

I do think the Browns will have plenty of action for the #6 pick but for Patrick Peterson, not AJ Green. I could easily see Dallas or Detroit making a move up to nab Peterson before the Niners select at #7 overall.

Again, I would love to see Detroit move up to grab Peterson right before SF. Would be a huge coup... buuuut I don't know if they'll want to give up as much as they would need to in order to move up that far. Maybe they move up a little more to try and nab Prince at like #9 or #10?

 

[Buckna]

Cleveland is switching to 4-3 and only has one defensive lineman on the roster worth a flip. My guess is y'all are staying put and drafting a top DT or DE prospect like Quinn or Fairley.

 

[daveR]

Cleveland is switching to 4-3 and only has one defensive lineman on the roster worth a flip. My guess is y'all are staying put and drafting a top DT or DE prospect like Quinn or Fairley.

Looks likely.I wonder what it would take to acquire Minny's pick in addition. I would love to draft two first-round DL.

 

[5Rings]

I'm sure this has been asked ad nauseum....

but Cleveland has the worst skill position players in the league and no NFL quality starting WRs. When you ask "Who needs AJ Green?", Cleveland is the first team that comes to mind.

Why trade him away?

 

[daveR]

I'm sure this has been asked ad nauseum....but Cleveland has the worst skill position players in the league and no NFL quality starting WRs. When you ask "Who needs AJ Green?", Cleveland is the first team that comes to mind.Why trade him away?

Why?The Browns are a team with multiple needs, WR being one of them. D-line / pass-rushers being a huge one.WRs are plentiful, both in the draft and in free agency. Getting more than one player (mutliple picks) for the #6 would be best, IMO.Browns going 4-3 this year. Pass rushers are absolutely paramount in that D. This is an exceptional year for them in the draft. That's why I asked about the Minny pick. Getting two would make me !We also need another CB and another OL, and maybe a beast MLB.

 

[MAC_32]

If Peterson's there for the Browns I don't see the 9ers or Lions trading for him unless they give up their whole draft, I see the Browns taking him.

 

[Dez]

Why would you think the Browns could land a good FA ? No one wants to come to Cleveland. People flee this city. Just ask LeBron James, Jim Thome, Manny Ramariz, ect.

The Browns need a good WR and Green would fit the bill but for fantasy purposes that could kill Green's value if taken by the Browns.

 

[daveR]

Why would you think the Browns could land a good FA ? No one wants to come to Cleveland. People flee this city. Just ask LeBron James, Jim Thome, Manny Ramariz, ect.

The Browns need a good WR and Green would fit the bill but for fantasy purposes that could kill Green's value if taken by the Browns.

Who was the last football player to "flee" the city? It's a different system. Baseball players have to leave to get top money, and LeBron left to join his friends. It's not the city, it's the system.Why would going to a team that is switching to a west-coast offense "kill" a player's fantasy value?

 

[MAC_32]

Why would you think the Browns could land a good FA ? No one wants to come to Cleveland. People flee this city. Just ask LeBron James, Jim Thome, Manny Ramariz, ect.

The Browns need a good WR and Green would fit the bill but for fantasy purposes that could kill Green's value if taken by the Browns.

Who was the last football player to "flee" the city? It's a different system. Baseball players have to leave to get top money, and LeBron left to join his friends. It's not the city, it's the system.

Braylon and Winslow, they were traded but they basically forced their way out. No love lost on Winslow, but we could use a field stretcher like Braylon. The problem is finding that field stretcher that also isn't a diva like Braylon and so many other play making WR's. Diva's just aren't going to work out in this city. I believe our future #1, whenever we find him, is going to be through the draft. We can find the other WR pieces in free agency, but I can't see another team letting a hard working and #1 level talent player go via free agency. The players they let get to free agency usually have warts, I don't think Cleveland can mask those warts...right now anyway.

 

[daveR]

Why would you think the Browns could land a good FA ? No one wants to come to Cleveland. People flee this city. Just ask LeBron James, Jim Thome, Manny Ramariz, ect.

The Browns need a good WR and Green would fit the bill but for fantasy purposes that could kill Green's value if taken by the Browns.

Who was the last football player to "flee" the city? It's a different system. Baseball players have to leave to get top money, and LeBron left to join his friends. It's not the city, it's the system.

Braylon and Winslow, they were traded but they basically forced their way out. No love lost on Winslow, but we could use a field stretcher like Braylon. The problem is finding that field stretcher that also isn't a diva like Braylon and so many other play making WR's. Diva's just aren't going to work out in this city. I believe our future #1, whenever we find him, is going to be through the draft. We can find the other WR pieces in free agency, but I can't see another team letting a hard working and #1 level talent player go via free agency. The players they let get to free agency usually have warts, I don't think Cleveland can mask those warts...right now anyway.

I dunno. TO, Moss, soon OchoCinco, Boldin -- I don't buy the concept that the top ones are always unavailable. Warts, undoubtedly. Seems to go with the position.BTW, I don't need a stone-handed field stretcher.

 

[daveR]

How about Atlanta?Pairing another blue chip WR with Roddy would make them awesome.

WOW!