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sorry if this has been done already
who is most deserving of the MVP award this year???
who is most deserving of the MVP award this year???
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Who should win MVP this year? (1 Viewer)
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Green Apple Splatter
Footballguy
Brady in a landslide.
Jimmy James
Footballguy
I think it's Moss, but the NFL has a systemic bias in favor of QBs so it's going to be Brady.
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Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
Agree. Favre looks 10 years younger this year.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
What "more" has Favre done?
Jimmy James
Footballguy
I forgot to mention that I also appreciate the idea that Moss shouldn't get it because it would be further rewarding him for essentially slacking off and having a bad attitude in Oakland to the point he forced a below market value trade. In a way, I hope Moss never, ever wins any award for an individual accomplishment in this league.
Phurfur
Footballguy
That is because the QB is the most important position on the team.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Randy Moss.
The Pats with Brady = great team
The Pats with Brady + Moss = arguably the greatest team ever
The Pats with Brady = great team
The Pats with Brady + Moss = arguably the greatest team ever
Jimmy James
Footballguy
That's what they sell us. There are a lot of reasons for the NFL to fixate on one position in that manner. Some are legitimate. Some deal with marketing. Some deal with race, though those reasons are largely outmoded now.I personally think that if that's the case, the league needs to create the Bart Starr award (or the Johnny Unitas award or whatever) and award it to the QBs. Create a different award for the poor schmucks who aren't blessed with the golden arms.
Phurfur
Footballguy
But what about the Pats with Moss and no Brady?Brady = MVP
jurb26
Footballguy
As much as I love Moss and would love to see him win the MVP, there is no chance. QBs win this award 90% of the time. Record breaking QBs win it 100% of the time. Moss has shown twice in his career that his impact on a team is simply astounding though. He completely changed Minn when he showed up in 98 and now he has done it again in NE. I honestly don't think I have ever seen a player who when motivated has as much of an impact on a team than Moss. That alone is worthy of MVP consideration. However, Brady is going to win this award and rightfully so.
jurb26
Footballguy
Honestly, I still think this team would finish 11-5 or better.
Magnus_CA
Footballguy
Ok, statistically he hasn't done more, but I think at this point I'm more surprised GB is 9-1 than NE is 10-0, and Favre is a huge part of that.
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Footballguy
I see that the Favre cult showed up
Master of Past and Present
Footballguy
Without Moss Brady has never sniffed an offense like this but Moss has without Brady with the 1998 Vikings.
-primetime-
Footballguy
Ben and Romo have better numbers than Favre yet he is beating them...
man what has Madden done to the minds of this country
man what has Madden done to the minds of this country
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nyftbl_giants
Footballguy
can you make an argument that the " argument " of brady or moss means it should be someone else
Jimmy James
Footballguy
Look at the standings. I'd argue that's the issue more than Madden.
Jimmy James
Footballguy
Sure, if you want to actually consider which player is most valuable to his or her team. Of course, you might come to the conclusion it's some guy on a team that isn't going to sniff the playoffs.
-primetime-
Footballguy
Romo is 9-1just like Favreand Romo has better numbersthis leads me to believe that Favre is overrated....everyone loves the old man
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Im surprised you included Favre. I surely thought your options would be Brady or Romo.
timschochet
Footballguy
Anyone vote for Michael Vick?
Bill Lust
Footballguy
The Pats with Brady and no Moss would be far better than the Pats with Moss and no Brady.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
And they have an even more systemic approach to stats so it'll go to Brady and not Favre who has done more for his team than anyone. I'm not at all saying Brady doesn't deserve it because any of Moss/Brady/Favre would deserve it.
azgroover
Footballguy
Then Favre wins it because Moss would have been in GB.
jurb26
Footballguy
Thats a pretty interesting thought. Would GB be 10-0 right now if they had Moss?
delusional
Footballguy
No westbrook in this arguement? Guy is so under rated it is sick
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
I couldn't go with Brady. He's having an amazing year. But I think that team is amazingly great. My definition is who carries their team more... as in, if you took that player out, that team would be terrible. Brady has a great offensive line, Randy Moss, Watson, Welker/Stallworth and a great defense.
I voted Brett Favre. Without him that team is nothing.
I voted Brett Favre. Without him that team is nothing.
Bill Lust
Footballguy
He is the same player as he was last year. Last year he took a team with far less offensive talent and a banged up defense to within a whisker of the SB. This is Brady's to lose.I won't even touch the comment about Cassel... wow.
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jurb26
Footballguy
Yeah, I don't know that I buy that line of thinking. If you really do believe that Favre should win for doing it with "less." Then in reality Brady should have won this award at least 2 times already.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
I would not be surprised to see someone other than Brady/Moss win it. Why? The media picks the MVP does it not? If the "cheater" mantra is passed around during voting, as well as the constant barrage of "running up the score" some media pundits might discount some stats due to either of these. Who stands in line next? Favre more than likely depending on how he finishes up. Romo, no way.
Phurfur
Footballguy
Yes, but everyone says the Cowboys have a much more talented team. Advantage Favre but I voted Brady.The real MVP will be the QB that wins the SB.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
While I agree that Westbrook is "valuable," the MVP really translates to "player of the year on the best team." No way Westbrook will get much consideration on a .500 team unless he's setting staggering records.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Brady will win going away, but Favre deserves it.
Dt's Mules
Footballguy
mvp - romo
mop - brady
brady obviously wins
mop - brady
brady obviously wins
-primetime-
Footballguy
you mean like last year???and the past 4 years???GB is doing well because of thier defense....Romo has nearly twice the TDs that Favre does
-OZ-
Footballguy
TO keeps this up, he might just get a few votes.
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Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
I don't know, it seems like everyone has an interpretation of what MVP is.I'd like for the commissioner to announce exactly what the award is and people should then vote on what he says.If the award is the BEST player, then vote on who you think is having the best year.If the award is the most valuable to his team, then people should try to vote on who they think is the most valuable to his team.I think this would go to two different people.I think if you're going to vote for the best player this year, you have to go with Brady. Yes, there's other fine years out there but nobody is putting up the kind of numbers Brady is for his position.However, I'll be honost I'm not even sure Brady is the best offensive player on his team. I think Randy Moss is just as good at his position as Tom Brady is at his. If I had to vote for Most Valuable Player to his team THIS year, my vote would go to Brett Farve.
((Morpheus))
Footballguy
twitch said:
pollardsvision
Footballguy
you could. except that MVP has never been interpreted to actually mean "most valuable player". people would never be able to reach any agreement over who's most valuable, b/c that's extremely subjective. (there may not be a more valuable patriot than logan mankins)it's much simpler to just give the award to the offensive player on a playoff team (preferrably one with a 1st round bye) that had a standout year statistically. based on how this award is interpreted, it will and should go to brady. (although moss makes brady look brilliant on many not so perfectly thrown balls)
jurb26
Footballguy
The shark pool is really becoming very comical. People are saying that Brady should not win MVP because it should go to the guy who means the most to his team and with Moss, ect Favre or Romo are better options. Yet every week we have to read a dozen new threads about how some POS should intentionally take Brady out because that is the only way to stop this NE team. Seems like a pretty odd double standard.
Its not cool to wish that Brady gets buried in a landside, guy.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
FWIW I don't think it's Romo. I think what people mean when they say "Take Brady Out" means they should take Brady out along with many of the 1st string players. If you take Brady out, that should mean the rest of the gang comes out. I don't know if it should go to the guy who means the most to his team, I'd just like to know if that's what the MVP is or is it the Best Player award. If it's the Best Player Award how do you not give it to Tom Brady with the numbers he's putting up?I think most people would concede the point that if you just throw out QB's and you look at everything New England has and everything Green Bay has, New England has the superior team.Now you throw in the QB and you look at there seasons, I don't think it's comical to think that Farve is the most valuable to his team.I don't think New England scores 56 on Buffalo, I don't think they beat Washington 52 to 7.........but they win those games and probably easy.It's just a difference of opinion. If everyone liked the same flavor of ice cream, the same movie, the same teams, and the same music, the world would be a boring place.
