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Who should win MVP this year? (1 Viewer)
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RudeDog
Footballguy
I think you have to go with Favre. Brady is obviously performing at a very high level, but the Pats were expected and even favored to be a Super Bowl caliber team. The Pack on the other hand was expected to fair poorly with no running attack and a young receiving corps (Driver excepted).
To my eyes, Favre has had the single biggest impact on his team than any other player out there this year.
This coming from a Bears fan no less
To my eyes, Favre has had the single biggest impact on his team than any other player out there this year.
This coming from a Bears fan no less
parrot
Footballguy
I didn't mention Welker "as an excuse not to give it to Moss", I mentioned Welker because he's a top 10 WR, and thus a pretty clear indicator that the Pats passing game is much more than just Brady to Moss. Is Moss' presence helping him? Of course it is. Then again his presence is helping Moss as well. Just because you say it's all about Moss doesn't make it so. If you want to just concentrate on stopping Moss deep, Welker will cut your throat with tough underneath stuff, like he did for the 4-5 game stretch where he put up better numbers than Moss. Also, using "Brady apologizers" and "reality check" in the same sentence is pretty comical.
-primetime-
Footballguy
his accomplishments "THIS YEAR" are not worthy of an MVPBrady or Moss on the other hand are different
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butcher boy
Footballguy
Either Favre or Brady. I think the definition of MVP is the guy who is most valuable to his team. Not necessarily the guy with the most stats. Personally, I'd probably lean towards Favre because the Packers wouldn't be anywhere near 9-1 without him (thus the definition of MVP), and some of Brady's stats are padded anyway from running it up at the end of games when normally it would be a backup in there getting those stats. But still, Brady will probably win out just from the sheer numbers.
-primetime-
Footballguy
I disagreethe Pack are doing good because of thier defense and thier WRs doing good...if it was all Favre's doing then how come the Pack have sucked for the past 4 years????
ScoobyDoo
Footballguy
Welker would be the second coming of David Patten, or Troy Brown without Moss in the line up.
parrot
Footballguy
Maybe he would. I could think of bigger insults than saying a guy would be the second coming of Troy Brown. Regardless, does that somehow change the fact that Brady is the guy making the reads and getting the ball out to these different receivers in record setting fashion - both in terms of gross numbers and efficiency?
Conqu'ering_Heroes
Footballguy
More what? More wins...more TDs...more yds. More what?
deep vacuum
Footballguy
Moss hasn't made one team better this year, he's made TWO teams better this year. The Patriots by joining them and the Packers by not joining them. That amazing feat is MVP worthy. With Moss on the Packers, they are not 9-1 or 10-0 and the young players on their team are not nearly as well developed as they are now. I'm a Packer homer and I voted Favre because he has been very deserving this year of MVP mention. It's just been amazing to watch him work this year. In total control. It just seems that he could score at will if he wanted to.I just can't get behing the thought of Romo being the MVP. Admittedly I haven't watched much football this year. Even if Romo's stats are much better than Favre's, I seem to remember seeing him getting a bit undressed so to speak when the Cowboys lost to the Patriots a few weeks ago. Brady was the better Qb that night from I remember seeing. I don't have a clue as to how well the Cowboys would perform without Romo. Would they still win the east like the Pats would if Brady was lost to injury?Brady is doing many of the same things this year as Favre but at a higher scoring level than Favre. He should win it and deservedly so. Great player in total control when he's out there. Having a coach like grudge holding BB is certainly helping his stats this year. But Brady has been great for as long as he's been in the league.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
I think Green Bay offense proved tonight that it isn't "all Favre" like many of you were saying.
Brady is clearly the MVP, and its perhaps the biggest margin over #2 in my lifetime.
Brady is clearly the MVP, and its perhaps the biggest margin over #2 in my lifetime.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
The Packers won their last 4 games last year and IIRC football outsiders thought that they were a team much better than their record indicated. While the average fan might not have predicted Green Bay to do well, many experts(and I hate to use that word) did imo.I think you have to go with Favre. Brady is obviously performing at a very high level, but the Pats were expected and even favored to be a Super Bowl caliber team. The Pack on the other hand was expected to fair poorly with no running attack and a young receiving corps (Driver excepted).
To my eyes, Favre has had the single biggest impact on his team than any other player out there this year.
This coming from a Bears fan no less
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
My list
1. Brady
2. Moss
3. Romo
4. Favre
5. Anderson
6. Owens
7. Garrard
8. Garcia
I didn't include defensive players simply because I don't think I have a good enough "talent scouting ablity" to rank them. After those 8 I don't think anyone else really even deserves mention on the offensive side of the ball.
1. Brady
2. Moss
3. Romo
4. Favre
5. Anderson
6. Owens
7. Garrard
8. Garcia
I didn't include defensive players simply because I don't think I have a good enough "talent scouting ablity" to rank them. After those 8 I don't think anyone else really even deserves mention on the offensive side of the ball.
Master of Past and Present
Footballguy
I still think there is a huge case for Moss but I don't have any delusions they will give it to him. If Brady went down and Moss was considered the key to the back-up putting up numbers then Moss would have a real shot. Brady would have to choke pretty bad now not to get it. 
Favre to this discussion.
nxmehta
Footballguy
This thread is mind boggling. The arguments against Brady make no sense. They fall under two categories:
1. MVP can be determined by statistics, but Brady was expected to do this well.
People complain that Brady was expected to put up these numbers. Did people really expect him to shatter every single season passing record known to man? To lead his team to a perfect regular season? For example, if a football player was projected by every sports analyst in the world to score 100 TDs with 10,000 yds and completely blow out every other team, does it mean that this player should lose out on the MVP (judged on stats) just because it's what people expected?
2. MVP is the most valuable person to their team- take Brady away and Pats are still good, but take XXX away from this other team and they suck.
How the heck are you going to measure this? Take Favre away and the Packers fall apa.... waaaaait a second Aaron Rodgers was pretty good out there. Take Moss away and is Welker putting up those numbers now? Honestly, if you took Brady away from the Pats I have no idea what would happen. Maybe they would fall apart. Maybe Belichick would figure out some brilliant way to win. There's no way to know until it happens. The MVP should not be based on bizarre speculation.
1. MVP can be determined by statistics, but Brady was expected to do this well.
People complain that Brady was expected to put up these numbers. Did people really expect him to shatter every single season passing record known to man? To lead his team to a perfect regular season? For example, if a football player was projected by every sports analyst in the world to score 100 TDs with 10,000 yds and completely blow out every other team, does it mean that this player should lose out on the MVP (judged on stats) just because it's what people expected?
2. MVP is the most valuable person to their team- take Brady away and Pats are still good, but take XXX away from this other team and they suck.
How the heck are you going to measure this? Take Favre away and the Packers fall apa.... waaaaait a second Aaron Rodgers was pretty good out there. Take Moss away and is Welker putting up those numbers now? Honestly, if you took Brady away from the Pats I have no idea what would happen. Maybe they would fall apart. Maybe Belichick would figure out some brilliant way to win. There's no way to know until it happens. The MVP should not be based on bizarre speculation.
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nibbomydaets
Footballguy
IMHO it's Brady and then Romo.
You take away both of them and their teams are done. Favre deserves some consideration and I don't think tonights game proved anything against that. Aaron Rogers is first round talent and was even thought to go as high as first in the draft before somehow slipping.
It's Brady's season all the way around. If he was having a normal year then it would be Romo's.
You take away both of them and their teams are done. Favre deserves some consideration and I don't think tonights game proved anything against that. Aaron Rogers is first round talent and was even thought to go as high as first in the draft before somehow slipping.
It's Brady's season all the way around. If he was having a normal year then it would be Romo's.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
If for whatever reason Brady doesn't get it this year, then 20 years from now we're all going to look back and wonder how the hell Tom Brady, perhaps the greatest QB of all time and a guy that put up perhaps the greatest season of all time had never won a MVP award. The decision will go down as a horrible one and be remember forever imo.
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
7-2Write in vote for Tarvaris Jackson. Vikings are 4-2 when he starts and 0-4 when he doesn't...I'm just saying...
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
Favre without a doubt.
Without Brady the Pats are 11-2.
Without Farve the Packers could be under .500.
Without Brady the Pats are 11-2.
Without Farve the Packers could be under .500.
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
That's why the Favre proponents base it on sensible speculation.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
Bill Lust
Footballguy
Take away the "toxic waste" schtik and he is not nearly as entertaining.
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
It's actually a pretty bad posting. People can't have sincere opinions pro-Favre winning the MVP? That's a pretty stupid idea. Believe me, I wish I could go back to the toxic waste posts. I think I make more sense just saying that.:X Take away the "toxic waste" schtik and he is not nearly as entertaining.
Bill Lust
Footballguy
Sure, they can. And, you can suggest that the Pats would be 11-2 without Brady. The fact of the matter is, they are 13-0 WITH him.phthalatemagic said:It's actually a pretty bad posting. People can't have sincere opinions pro-Favre winning the MVP? That's a pretty stupid idea. Believe me, I wish I could go back to the toxic waste posts. I think I make more sense just saying that.Bill Lust said:Assani Fisher said:phthalatemagic said:Take away the "toxic waste" schtik and he is not nearly as entertaining.
NeverEnough
Footballguy
Favre
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Bill Lust
Footballguy
Yeah... not going to happen. Brady and not even close.
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
OKSure, they can. And, you can suggest that the Pats would be 11-2 without Brady. The fact of the matter is, they are 13-0 WITH him.phthalatemagic said:It's actually a pretty bad posting. People can't have sincere opinions pro-Favre winning the MVP? That's a pretty stupid idea. Believe me, I wish I could go back to the toxic waste posts. I think I make more sense just saying that.Bill Lust said:Assani Fisher said:phthalatemagic said:Take away the "toxic waste" schtik and he is not nearly as entertaining.
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
Without Tarvaris the Vikings could be 0-13.phthalatemagic said:
Road Warriors
Footballguy
I don't know... Packers looked pretty good with Rodgers back there. He almost brought them back against the 'boysphthalatemagic said:
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
I think you are incorrect.Without Tarvaris the Vikings could be 0-13.phthalatemagic said:
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
OK, I guess you are right...it must be Favre!I think you are incorrect.Without Tarvaris the Vikings could be 0-13.phthalatemagic said:
Phase of the Game
Footballguy
So based on one half of one football game by Aaron Rodgers this year you are convinced the Packers would be 11-2 with him as the starter?
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Road Warriors
Footballguy
Maybe not 11-2, but not a sub-500 team, either. The Packers have a pretty good team on both sides of the ball. Do you think the Pats are anywhere near where they are now with Matt Cassell in there?So based on one half of one football game by Aaron Rodgers this year you are convinced the Packers would be 11-2 with him as the starter?
Phase of the Game
Footballguy
I don't either team would be where they are at with Cassell or Rodgers as the starters.Maybe not 11-2, but not a sub-500 team, either. The Packers have a pretty good team on both sides of the ball. Do you think the Pats are anywhere near where they are now with Matt Cassell in there?So based on one half of one football game by Aaron Rodgers this year you are convinced the Packers would be 11-2 with him as the starter?
delusional
Footballguy
Owens.
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
OK, I guess you are right...it must be Favre!I think you are incorrect.Without Tarvaris the Vikings could be 0-13.phthalatemagic said:
BeaverCleaver
Footballguy
Favre gets the edge over Brady due to the fact that Favre could kick Brady's rear end in a fight. 
FavreCo
Footballguy
No doubt. If anything as far as Brady is concerned, it should be a co-MVP between him and Moss as neither would be putting up these numbers without the other......unless Moss was in Green Bay. then it would be Favre with the 40+ TD's.
Esactly. They were poicked by many to overtake the Bears for the division. Their D was expected to be in the top 5-10 range, and is. It may even be top 5, I don't care to check. Their O was going to be good, with a much improved line, and I don't cazre what people revise, Driver is a very good receiver, and Jennings was going to be, and that has come to fruition. Lee has developed into an excellent option at TE. It allows favre to not be a superhero, making ill advised throws. Guys are getting open. Even Favre had said during the offseason that this was the best talent collection he had the option to play around. It's still got to go to Brady. The reasons are clear.
((Morpheus))
Footballguy
i can't believe this thread isn't locked yet. brady will win the mvp, and it's not close.
North
Footballguy
B-R-A-D-YWithout Brady Moss doesn't do what he is doing. Brady has proven that he can win with average talent and now he is proving he can dominate with above average talent.
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
Really? Jeff George, Randall Cunningham, Dante Culpepper...
