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I think Moss is more valuable to the teams offense than Brady. I however would argue that a team that is trailing the Patriots by 30+ points late in the game and still watching the Pats go for it on 4th down should go after Brady, and not Moss. This is only because there would be no legal way to do it to Billichek, and doing it to Brady would hurt Billichek more than doing it to Moss. Billichek is the bad guy in this whole thing, and it is unfortunate that Brady will probably end up paying for it. In sports, particularly football(and hockey) there are many ways to legally hurt somebody. With the exception of a few players in each sport, there is a common respect to NOT exercise this option. BB is not doing Brady any favors of avoiding this with his little vendetta against the league.Back to the topic at hand. Deserving of the MVP:1.Randy Moss2.Terrell Owens3.Tom Brady4.Brett Fare5.Big Ben(that oline is horrible, the guy deserves a mention for still being alive, much less completing passes) Who will win:1.Tom Brady2.Tony Romo3.Brett Favre4.Randy Moss5.Terrell Owens
I am not saying Roethlisberger should be MVP (how can Brady not be?) but I don't believe Ben has been inconsisent at all. He had one game with a passer rating under 80 and is playing behind the worst line by far of any of the QBs mentioned in this thread. Put Brady on the Steelers and I doubt he posts numbers better than Roethlisberger and maybe not as good. Take Ben away from the Steelers and they would be lucky to a .500 team.However I understand that MVP honors typically go to those posting the best numbers and on teams with better records so I can see Roethlisberger coming out on the short end of the stick. All I am saying is that Roethlisberger has been playing extremely well and saying he's been inconsistent is not really fair.
Here are the opponent's resords for the players listed here . . .PHI 51-49DAL 49-51NE 48-52GB 47-53Is there really any difference in that grouping?
Every single one of them. Theyd all complete 74% of their throws. Theyd all have a QB rating over a 130. Theyd all have scored 40TDs. Theyd all have 4 INTs. Theyd all have 3 championship rings, and every single one of them would be undefeated, leading a dominant team, scoring more points than any team in the 87 year history of the NFL, and looking absolutely unbeatable. Heck, David Carr would probably be a HOFer behind that line. That Brady guy aint so good!
Now that's the coolest paranoia I've ever seen..Its not cool to wish that Brady gets buried in a landside, guy.
I agree. It's Moss.That's why I voted for him.
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ats: 10Packers: 14Cowboys: 14Not much of a difference there. Less than half a sack a game. Brady's yards per attempt (9.1) and completion percentage (74%) are off the charts good. He's going to finish with the most TDs and the highest passer rating ever. EVER. LOL that people are even considering somebody else. Favre and Romo are having great years. But they are far, faaaaar from unprecedented. Brady is having the BEST SEASON IN THE HISTORY OF THE GAME.Bingo.
Name one thing Favre has done that Brady hasn't this season? I can name about 30 things Brady has done. Romo, Favre, Big Ben, Manning...they are all in the same breath with regards to the MVP. You could argue all 4 of those against each other and think you're right. You just can't put any of them against Brady this year. Undefeated thus far with a TD/passer rating/INT ratio rate that is untouchable.
Yeah.This thread is two pages long?
Why can't people understand this? If Moss is so valuable, Oakland should have been a contender the last couple years. So what--Moss "didn't try"? He could have made Oakland a contender by his immense value and just didn't feel like it? Give me a break. Moss is awesome and can make a QB much better, just like Owens can. But Brady has ALWAYS been at another level. Now he's just making it look effortless because he has matching talent. But make NOOOO mistake. Brady is what makes this team what it is. He is the best quarterback in the NFL, and soon enough will be widely recognized as the greatest of all time. Everybody voting for players other than Brady just don't want acknowledge it. Discrediting the best feels good when you hate the best.TD Ryan said:
Do you remember what Brady looked like throwing to guys like Gregg Jennings and James Jones? With a running back like Ryan Grant behind him? You don't, because for all the belly-aching, Brady's cast has NEVER been as bad as Favre's. They have NO running game, outside of Driver and K-Rob all of the receivers have combined to 157 career receptions. The 3 leading ball carriers have 192 career barries between them.And they're 9-1.Without Brady, the Pats still win the East.Without Favre, the Packers are looking up at the Vikings and Bears.Tough As Nails said:Aaronstory said:Name one thing Favre has done that Brady hasn't this season? I can name about 30 things Brady has done. Romo, Favre, Big Ben, Manning...they are all in the same breath with regards to the MVP. You could argue all 4 of those against each other and think you're right. You just can't put any of them against Brady this year. Undefeated thus far with a TD/passer rating/INT ratio rate that is untouchable.
No. But I remember what Brady was like with Jabar Gafney and Reche Caldwell and Troy Brown and an old RB who's now out of football. He was within about a minute of playing in the Superbowl.Do you remember what Brady looked like throwing to guys like Gregg Jennings and James Jones? With a running back like Ryan Grant behind him? You don't, because for all the belly-aching, Brady's cast has NEVER been as bad as Favre's. They have NO running game, outside of Driver and K-Rob all of the receivers have combined to 157 career receptions. The 3 leading ball carriers have 192 career barries between them.And they're 9-1.Without Brady, the Pats still win the East.Without Favre, the Packers are looking up at the Vikings and Bears.Tough As Nails said:Aaronstory said:Name one thing Favre has done that Brady hasn't this season? I can name about 30 things Brady has done. Romo, Favre, Big Ben, Manning...they are all in the same breath with regards to the MVP. You could argue all 4 of those against each other and think you're right. You just can't put any of them against Brady this year. Undefeated thus far with a TD/passer rating/INT ratio rate that is untouchable.
That's the best you can do?Dillon and Maroney combined for 1550 yards and 19 TDs on the ground. And I'd be willing to bet Favre gets pretty close to the Super Bowl too.No. But I remember what Brady was like with Jabar Gafney and Reche Caldwell and Troy Brown and an old RB who's now out of football. He was within about a minute of playing in the Superbowl.Do you remember what Brady looked like throwing to guys like Gregg Jennings and James Jones? With a running back like Ryan Grant behind him? You don't, because for all the belly-aching, Brady's cast has NEVER been as bad as Favre's. They have NO running game, outside of Driver and K-Rob all of the receivers have combined to 157 career receptions. The 3 leading ball carriers have 192 career barries between them.And they're 9-1.Without Brady, the Pats still win the East.Without Favre, the Packers are looking up at the Vikings and Bears.Tough As Nails said:Aaronstory said:
With him they're on their way to being one of the greatest teams of all-time.
ahhh... you forgot Antowain Smith, Mike Cloud, David Givens, David Patten, Andre Davis, and Bethel JohnsonI doubt any Packer WRs are faster than Andre Davis or Bethel were.Those guys would dominate the likes of Donald Driver, Greg Jennings, and James Jones.
Brady is easily the best player, snap for snap, in the league right now. He's playing at a uber-elite level. But I choose to think of "who would be missed the most by their team?" when thinking MVP and that's Favre, not Brady.
Who would you vote for if the season ended tomorrow?
OK. He won 2 playoff games with that crew. One 37-16. The other, a close come from behinder on the road against a 14-2 team on the West Coast. In the AFC. Didnt sniff the MVP by the way. Of course.That's the best you can do?Dillon and Maroney combined for 1550 yards and 19 TDs on the ground. And I'd be willing to bet Favre gets pretty close to the Super Bowl too.No. But I remember what Brady was like with Jabar Gafney and Reche Caldwell and Troy Brown and an old RB who's now out of football. He was within about a minute of playing in the Superbowl.Do you remember what Brady looked like throwing to guys like Gregg Jennings and James Jones? With a running back like Ryan Grant behind him? You don't, because for all the belly-aching, Brady's cast has NEVER been as bad as Favre's. They have NO running game, outside of Driver and K-Rob all of the receivers have combined to 157 career receptions. The 3 leading ball carriers have 192 career barries between them.And they're 9-1.Without Brady, the Pats still win the East.Without Favre, the Packers are looking up at the Vikings and Bears.Tough As Nails said:Aaronstory said:
I don't know how you quantify more. I do it as more than. I can't find a category where Favre has done more of anything. He does have more yards, and more picks. To give you an idea of the distance between them. Brady has twice as many TD's, while Favre has twice as many picks as Brady. Brady's completion % is 6 points higher. His QB rating is 30+ higher. I agree with the less, because Brady has Moss. But, let's not pretend that Driver and Jennings are chjmps. There's a lot of good talent in GB. On the D side too.
Yeah, back in 2001 he took them to a SB title. Though, I think the Packers case is far better than what Brady had. Also in 2003 and 2004. NE has never had anybody of Drivers caliber, and I think Jennings looks betteer than Driver, when you consider upside. Could be a NE GB superbowl again though.Do you remember what Brady looked like throwing to guys like Gregg Jennings and James Jones? With a running back like Ryan Grant behind him? You don't, because for all the belly-aching, Brady's cast has NEVER been as bad as Favre's. They have NO running game, outside of Driver and K-Rob all of the receivers have combined to 157 career receptions. The 3 leading ball carriers have 192 career barries between them.And they're 9-1.Without Brady, the Pats still win the East.Without Favre, the Packers are looking up at the Vikings and Bears.Tough As Nails said:Aaronstory said:
reality check. nice one there, Scoob. 40 TDs and no losses thru 10 is keepin' it real enough.
If Brady was going to win he would have won before Moss got there.Moss changes everything on the field. Brady doesn't. Brady couldn't even get them to the Bowl last year.
This isn't really your argument is it? That is pretty flimsy. Brady has been to and won multiple SB titles. I'm trying to remember how Moss has played in the superbowl? <crickets>.That is just a bad argument.
Assani Fisher said:
I'm as big of a Packer homer there is and no way does Favre deserve the MVP over Brady. Brady's having the best season ever for a QB and he's the leader of perhaps the best team in the history of the NFL. I love Brett and appreciate where he's taken the Packers but that's not enough to offset what Brady has done.
If a QB leads his offense to 34 points in a game and they lose 34-38, we can usually blame the defense. This is one of those cases.
I agreeFavre is beyond overratedhe shouldn't even win over Romo or Ben
Admit it, you are jealous of Favre and your hate for his accomplishments knows no bounds.
Oh wow.
