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Who wants TED GINN? (1 Viewer)

He will be the Saints' new Devery Henderson.  He will catch a bomb for a TD here and there, but probably never the weeks you need to start. :lol:  

His knack for dropping passes will not endear him to Drew Brees, however. 

 
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I only want him in some one elses lineup.

He isn't as bad in best ball leagues though where you can benefit from the occasional long TD. Still don't want him on my team though.

 
Yeah I don't think Ginn's catch percentage is anything like Cooks', but then again when has he played for a QB like Brees or a HC like Payton?

The comp to Henderson seems very reasonable and thus he would not be a reliable WR4/5, but then he could very well have some good games. He's had some very positive reviews so far in camp, especially from Brees.

Over the last 2 seasons in Carolina (rush oriented, Newton at QB) Ginn has averaged 49 catches for 746 yards, 7 TDs. With the Saints 65/900/8 seems possible.

 
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I am probably higher on Ginn than consensus. My take.

Carolina has thrown 503 and 516 passes in 2015 and 2016 while Ginn was there.  Ginn was the second most targeted WR in Carolina behind Olsen in 2015 with 19% share.  He was the third most targeted in 2016 behind Benjamin and Olsen with 16% market share.  He now goes to NO who threw 667 and 672 passes the last two years.  M. Thomas will most likely be the #1 target in this offense and should get around 20% of the targets, but Ginn should be talented enough to get 15-16% of the targets in this offense.  I don't think that Snead is vastly more talented and Brees spreads the ball around traditionally.  16% share with historical yards/catch and TD rate yields a projection of 72 rec, 1060 Yards, 7 TD.  

 
abbottjamesr said:
I am probably higher on Ginn than consensus. My take.

Carolina has thrown 503 and 516 passes in 2015 and 2016 while Ginn was there.  Ginn was the second most targeted WR in Carolina behind Olsen in 2015 with 19% share.  He was the third most targeted in 2016 behind Benjamin and Olsen with 16% market share.  He now goes to NO who threw 667 and 672 passes the last two years.  M. Thomas will most likely be the #1 target in this offense and should get around 20% of the targets, but Ginn should be talented enough to get 15-16% of the targets in this offense.  I don't think that Snead is vastly more talented and Brees spreads the ball around traditionally.  16% share with historical yards/catch and TD rate yields a projection of 72 rec, 1060 Yards, 7 TD.  
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He drops to many balls for Brees to love him.  The only place he has ever been successful is Carolina because Cam would go right back to him after he dropped a 70 yard bomb.

He has 25 total receiving touchdowns in his 10 year career.  19 of these happened in his 3 years in CAR.  10 of them happened during 2015 when he was the defacto #1 WR.  Outside of Caroline he has 6 touchdowns in 7 years with three different teams.  I think the phrase is Caveat Emptor. 

 
Noah Davis said:
He drops to many balls for Brees to love him.  The only place he has ever been successful is Carolina because Cam would go right back to him after he dropped a 70 yard bomb.

He has 25 total receiving touchdowns in his 10 year career.  19 of these happened in his 3 years in CAR.  10 of them happened during 2015 when he was the defacto #1 WR.  Outside of Caroline he has 6 touchdowns in 7 years with three different teams.  I think the phrase is Caveat Emptor. 
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I don't care if a guy drops a 70 yard bomb on first down if he's wide open again on third down and catches a 70 yard bomb.

 
I think the best part about Ginn this season is the price.  He is going as WR61 and he projects out as a usable WR3.  Even if he completely busts he was cheap and you can throw him away after week 3.  He offers some pretty good upside if he and Brees start connecting and he gets cooks type of numbers.  

 
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I don't care if a guy drops a 70 yard bomb on first down if he's wide open again on third down and catches a 70 yard bomb.
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The question isn't if you don't....it is if Brees doesn't.  Something tells me Brees wouldn't be happy with this.

At his price of WR61 sure it's an easy pick - and I'd take him in best ball leagues.

 
Bronco Billy said:
I'd like to hear this fleshed out a bit.  I'll admit that I have a divergent view on this position.  Snead is quite a technician IMO.  That offers a lot more than a guy whose calling card is running really fast.
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I posted this in the Snead thread as well but its relevant here also.

Looking at the last 3 years the top 5 pass catchers for the Siants have been 3 WR, 1 TE, and 1 RB each year.

2014 - Targets 431
Graham - 125
Cooks - 69 (10 games)
Colston - 99
Stills - 83
Thomas - 55

2015 - 468
Cooks - 129
Watson - 110
Snead - 102
Colston - 67
Ingram - 60

2016 - 474
Thomas - 119
Cooks - 116
Snead - 101
Fleener - 81
Ingram  - 57

2017 My Guess - 475
Thomas - 130
Snead - 110
Ginn - 100
Fleener - 80
Ingram - 55

Even if Snead is more talented than Ginn, it may not mean much.   Ginn will likely either be the 2 or third option in the Saints offence and the difference is only 10-15 targets over the course of the season if NO keeps doing what they have done the last 3 years.  Snead and Ginn are very different WR's and I think NO will play them both a lot.  Maybe Ginn's catch rate will hover around 50% like the last few seasons and he just doesn't produce enough from the targets to matter, but I'm willing to take a late gamble that Brees is better than Cam and Ginn will do something with the opportunity.  

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Over the last 2 seasons in Carolina (rush oriented, Newton at QB) Ginn has averaged 49 catches for 746 yards, 7 TDs. With the Saints 65/900/8 seems possible.
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Pretty similar each year production wise except for the TDs.  I have a hard time seeing him getting a lot of RZ looks with all the other options in NO.  Love the 08/09 Devery Henderson comp.

 
abbottjamesr said:
I posted this in the Snead thread as well but its relevant here also.

Looking at the last 3 years the top 5 pass catchers for the Siants have been 3 WR, 1 TE, and 1 RB each year.

2014 - Targets 431
Graham - 125
Cooks - 69 (10 games)
Colston - 99
Stills - 83
Thomas - 55

2015 - 468
Cooks - 129
Watson - 110
Snead - 102
Colston - 67
Ingram - 60

2016 - 474
Thomas - 119
Cooks - 116
Snead - 101
Fleener - 81
Ingram  - 57

2017 My Guess - 475
Thomas - 130
Snead - 110
Ginn - 100
Fleener - 80
Ingram - 55

Even if Snead is more talented than Ginn, it may not mean much.   Ginn will likely either be the 2 or third option in the Saints offence and the difference is only 10-15 targets over the course of the season if NO keeps doing what they have done the last 3 years.  Snead and Ginn are very different WR's and I think NO will play them both a lot.  Maybe Ginn's catch rate will hover around 50% like the last few seasons and he just doesn't produce enough from the targets to matter, but I'm willing to take a late gamble that Brees is better than Cam and Ginn will do something with the opportunity.  
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Wow.  Am I glad you brought this up.  I went back in the Saints' history and it turns out that the WR3 for the Saints normally gets around 50 to 60 targets a season.  Last year was clearly an outlier given past performance.  Stills getting as many as he did I believe can be attributed to his playing as WR2 for almost 40% of the season when Cooks only played 10 games.  Otherwise their WR3 is pretty clearly targeted much less.

So now the debate is, IMO, who is WR2 and who is WR3 - unless you believe that Ginn is an equivalent replacement to Cooks.  I've got my thoughts that Ginn isn't going to get nearly as much love as you anticipate, barring injury to Thomas or Snead.  That makes me much higher on Snead.

Thanks for triggering the look into this.

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2014 - Targets 431
Graham - 125
Cooks - 69 (10 games)
Colston - 99
Stills - 83
Thomas - 55

2015 - 468
Cooks - 129
Watson - 110
Snead - 102
Colston - 67
Ingram - 60
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The only thing I've been trying to figure out is if the Saints will switch back to the TE/RB offense they used to have. Kamara is a bit of a wild card in all this, maybe even AP. And so is Fleener of course, but it's the drafting of Kamara which has me wondering if there is some plan. Something very important that Cooks provided was the short out near the LOS, in many ways he stepped in for what Sproles/Pierre did and IMO that's part of the reason they drafted him, which may be counterintuitive to many given his speed.

I think Ginn is also more physically like Cooks (size, and speed both) than Henderson and I don't know that he has ever been in an offense like this. I don't think so. 9th overall pick in 2007, he played for Sparano and the journeymen QBs they had in Miami, Harbaugh, Arians, and Rivera. Some very good to elite QBs in there - Al Smith, Palmer, Newton, but none of those guys are on the order of Brees when it comes to passing. And speaking of Watson he had a career year at 35 in 2015.

 
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I just thought I'd provide an update based on last week's preseason game.

Ginn was involved early, including this very nice long end-around on the game's first play.

I don't know if it's been said or posted but Ginn has been the WR2 compliment to Thomas in the preseason, not Snead. And that's fine, but it means he is literally stepping into Cooks' shoes and it might mean he may end up getting a lot of Cooks' short and intermediate routes and backfield work that we saw from Cooks in his rookie year. I think Ginn will be mixed in pretty early and often.

 
Bronco Billy said:
Wow.  Am I glad you brought this up.  I went back in the Saints' history and it turns out that the WR3 for the Saints normally gets around 50 to 60 targets a season.  Last year was clearly an outlier given past performance.  Stills getting as many as he did I believe can be attributed to his playing as WR2 for almost 40% of the season when Cooks only played 10 games.  Otherwise their WR3 is pretty clearly targeted much less.

So now the debate is, IMO, who is WR2 and who is WR3 - unless you believe that Ginn is an equivalent replacement to Cooks.  I've got my thoughts that Ginn isn't going to get nearly as much love as you anticipate, barring injury to Thomas or Snead.  That makes me much higher on Snead.

Thanks for triggering the look into this.

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Ginn is going to be a poor man's Cooks. He may not get all his targets but he should get most. Who is Willie Snead? He's a gamer and a good football player but he is not special. He's Brees' goto guy on 3rd down.

 
  In the one league I actually thought about drafting Ted Ginn, right as I went to take him late, I dropped my mouse.... which coincidentally is what he did with the majority of his passes in Carolina.

So I took that as a sign and drafted more RB depth.    :thumbup:

Jokes aside, while I realize he looks to be something "slightly more interesting" than what he has been thusfar in his career, (especially since the Saints have been creative in their usage in the preseason) , I just can't draft this guy.  He is going to be far too "boom or bust" for me to want to start with any regularity.

I will likely spend my draft capital elsewhere, and considering I tend to go WR heavy early in most drafts, that shouldn't be a shocker.

 I can see the appeal in a "best ball-ish" sort of way, or maybe the attraction in a 16 teamer, but in most standard leagues I don't see how anyone wants to gamble on this guy.  Perhaps after a litany of injuries, or as a  bye week fill in  with the right matchups.

 Also realize all my leagues are start 3 WRs , and I am still not really interested.

 TZM

 
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have him as my WR5 in a deep bench 3WR standard league ..... and I'm feeling good about it.   I see around 875-7 on the year

{note: having Brees & M Thomas (WR cuff?) may have helped me pull the trigger a round early}

 
TZMarkie said:
So I took that as a sign and drafted more RB depth.  
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TZMarkie said:
I don't see how anyone wants to gamble on this guy. 
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Not even gamble? Everyone has that list of backup bye week WR3's (WR4/5's). Cooper Kupp, that kind of thing. I'd say Ginn is someone you could gamble on late. You don't have to take any chances but this is filling out your roster with players who might help you win games. Ginn will have some good games. He is going to be in 2-wide sets. He is going to do a lot of things that Cooks did, he will play an important role for the Saints and Brees will likely throw for 4600-5100 yards. I wouldn't take Robbie Anderson over him, or Zay Jones or Jordan Matthews or Kenny Britt some of these other names I see clattering around late. I won't be surprised if he's not drafted in your leagues but I'm guessing he will be a primary WW pickup at some point.

 
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Bronco Billy said:
So now the debate is, IMO, who is WR2 and who is WR3 - unless you believe that Ginn is an equivalent replacement to Cooks.  I've got my thoughts that Ginn isn't going to get nearly as much love as you anticipate, barring injury to Thomas or Snead.  That makes me much higher on Snead.
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It looks like Snead will be a non-factor for Weeks 1-3:
 

Field Yates‏Verified account @FieldYates

Source: Saints WR Willie Snead has been suspended for the first three games of the regular season.

2:29 PM - 1 Sep 2017
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Without Snead around Ginn catches my eye. The Saints are going to be engaged in constant shootouts in that division. Ginn would look good in a lineup to me with ATL and TB as the opponents.

 
What about against the Vikes?  I have Brees and Fleener so this works out nicely to start but not sure about Ginn against a good defense.  That would be a lot of eggs in an offense's  basket that often struggles on the road.

 
Well, the emphasis on Ginn makes sense now.  NO has known for a while Snead was going to sit at the start of the season.  The appeal has already been heard and ruled on.

 
So I'm watching the GB vs. NO game and I keep thinking to myself "Who the #### is this sure-handed receiver catching passes all over the field? Is that Ginn?"

Ginn has a 81% catch rate on the year (has caught 22 of 27). How? How does this work?

 
Ginn has quietly put together a solid WR3 type season and as we head into the fantasy playoffs he could be a nice guy to play these last few weeks.

He had a decent day yesterday with 7 catches and 71 yards but more significantly he led the Saints will 11 targets(most on the season by far) and he is no doubt the #2 wide receiver in this offense. Willie Snead is a complete afterthought now.

The one thing limiting Ginn so far this year has been the fact the Saints overall passing numbers have been down due to 2 facts. First, the emergence of a dominant running game and secondly the much improved play of the Saints D.

However, right now the Saints D is in trouble. Not only do they have tough matchups coming up but as a long as Lattimore and Crawley are out their secondary is swiss cheese. Especially Lattimore who has been a difference maker for the Saints this year.

I see positive game scripts for Brees and the passing game over the next few weeks and Ginn clearly has the full confidence of Brees now. With Thomas drawing all the top corners I could really see a nice run for Ginn down the stretch,

 
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He is playing his usual role. I picked him up in round 8 of a rookie draft that has mainly low end veterans available and he is currently WR24 in points. We get return yards too. I end up with him as depth every year it seems and end up playing him in most weeks.

 
Ted Ginn caught all seven of his targets for 101 yards in the Saints' Week 1 win over the Texans.

Ginn's seven targets were third on the team behind Michael Thomas (13) and Alvin Kamara (8), and Ginn was the guy Drew Brees was peppering late in the fourth quarter to get the offense into field goal range for Wil Lutz's game-winning kick. Ginn is going to have blowup games in this offense and makes for a fine WR5, but he's tough to start in fantasy lineups with his basement-level floor. Ginn and the Saints go to L.A. to face the Rams in Week 2.

Sep 9, 2019, 11:15 PM ET
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Waitaminute Rotoworld, WHAT???
 

Ted Ginn failed to catch any of his three targets for 287 yards and a touchdown in the Saints' Week 10 loss to the Falcons.

Ginn had a chance to come down with one contested catch downfield, but couldn’t quite reel it in. The return of Tre’Quan Smith adds some uncertainty to his place in Drew Brees’ pecking order. Treat Ginn as nothing more than a boom-or-bust WR4 as the No. 4 (at best) pass-game option in this offense.
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Arodin said:
Clearly they have figured out what Ginn would have done if he had caught those targets.  Must be one of those AWS things they're always plugging during the games.
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Yeah I have heard a lot about air yards and their potential this season.

Should just call this empty hot air yards or something,

 
Ted Ginn caught 4-of-6 targets for 50 yards in the Saints' Week 14 loss to the 49ers.

The 50 yards were Ginn's most since Week 1, and he has just two touchdowns on the year.
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Bears released WR Ted Ginn.

Ginn signed a one-year deal for the veteran minimum this offseason. He had just three catches in six games and was a healthy scratch last week. Chicago is moving forward with Dwayne Harris at punt returner.

Nov 4, 2020, 9:10 AM ET
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Ted Ginn retired from the NFL after 14 seasons.

Ginn spent most of 2020 out of the NFL after a midseason release from Chicago. The 36-year-old retires with a 412/5,742/33 receiving line on 760 targets. Ginn was one of the league’s top returners in his prime, totaling 9,523 career yards and seven touchdowns. The ninth overall pick by Miami in 2007, Ginn played with six different teams over his career. He appeared in Super Bowls with the 49ers (2012) and Panthers (2015).

SOURCE: ABC Cleveland

Jul 16, 2021, 6:24 PM ET
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