Who will win? (1 Viewer)

[Kasparov]

234 suckas!!

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

If Saints fans, think they can count on Rookies Reggie Bush and Marques Colston to perform in the biggest game of thier pro careers they can think again. Last time I checked a big game from either of these players, Reggie Bush was running down the middle of the field and lateralled the ball to nobody and fumbled in national championship game.

Oh yeh, to everyone that doesn't think the Bears LB's can't cover Reggie Bush. We have two back to back Pro Bowl Lb's in Lance Briggs and Brian Urlacher. Oh yeh, Urlacher has caught Mike Vick from behind before as well.

Bush and Colston are rookies, but what about Hester or even Grossman? Grossman's at the most important position on the field and he's only played in 8 more games than Bush. We can point to just as many inexperienced Bears as there are Saints. Last I checked Grossman had 22 turnovers compared to 20 for the entire Saints team. I'm sure it will be a close game. Who do you want with the ball? Brees or Grossman in the fourth quarter? As far as covering Reggie, feel free to put your LBs on him...and face a steady diet of Deuce McAllister up the gut all day. They can't cover both of them.

Come and get your medicine guderian!!!!All week you hated and didn't listen. Now where are you?

 

[guderian]

If Saints fans, think they can count on Rookies Reggie Bush and Marques Colston to perform in the biggest game of thier pro careers they can think again. Last time I checked a big game from either of these players, Reggie Bush was running down the middle of the field and lateralled the ball to nobody and fumbled in national championship game.

Oh yeh, to everyone that doesn't think the Bears LB's can't cover Reggie Bush. We have two back to back Pro Bowl Lb's in Lance Briggs and Brian Urlacher. Oh yeh, Urlacher has caught Mike Vick from behind before as well.

Bush and Colston are rookies, but what about Hester or even Grossman? Grossman's at the most important position on the field and he's only played in 8 more games than Bush. We can point to just as many inexperienced Bears as there are Saints. Last I checked Grossman had 22 turnovers compared to 20 for the entire Saints team. I'm sure it will be a close game. Who do you want with the ball? Brees or Grossman in the fourth quarter? As far as covering Reggie, feel free to put your LBs on him...and face a steady diet of Deuce McAllister up the gut all day. They can't cover both of them.

Come and get your medicine guderian!!!!All week you hated and didn't listen. Now where are you?

I have numerous posts in the game thread, thanks. As far as your point about Bush and Colston not being able to perform in a big game, Bush had 151 yards and 1 TD. Colston 5/63 and 1 TD. So they accounted for both of our touchdowns.

As far as Urlacher catching Vick from behind...

 

[boubucarow]

The Bears were generally disrespected going into this game by the national media, and this poll further reflects the fact that people fall in love with offense and forget that defense wins championships.

Turnovers = Losses.

And aside from the questionable Lewis fumble, the Bears defense forced those turnovers with big unanticipated hits on the QB and the grab and strip technique on a receiver. The Saints didn't give the Bears the game by turning the ball over. The Bears took the ball away from the Saints and similar hits would have usually resulted in fumbles most of the time.In addition, the Bears were beating the Saints by two points and the Saints had a chance to take the lead. The Bears took over the game beginning with that safety/missed field goal. There was no silly turnover that caused the Saint demise at that point. They got whooped, plain and simple. The Bears won because they were clearly the better team that day. That is all.That said, congrats to the Saints on their great season and I am sure all Saints fans had a great time on Sundays this year. Also, the future sure does look bright on your end.

 

[guderian]

The Bears were generally disrespected going into this game by the national media, and this poll further reflects the fact that people fall in love with offense and forget that defense wins championships.

Turnovers = Losses.

And aside from the questionable Lewis fumble, the Bears defense forced those turnovers with big unanticipated hits on the QB and the grab and strip technique on a receiver. The Saints didn't give the Bears the game by turning the ball over. The Bears took the ball away from the Saints and similar hits would have usually resulted in fumbles most of the time.In addition, the Bears were beating the Saints by two points and the Saints had a chance to take the lead. The Bears took over the game beginning with that safety/missed field goal. There was no silly turnover that caused the Saint demise at that point. They got whooped, plain and simple. The Bears won because they were clearly the better team that day. That is all.That said, congrats to the Saints on their great season and I am sure all Saints fans had a great time on Sundays this year. Also, the future sure does look bright on your end.

The early turnovers weren't the problem. We'd weathered the storm at that point and it was a 14-16 game. The Saints had the Bears on their heels before they kicked that field goal. We should have stuck to running the ball because McAllister and Karney had runs of 6 and 11 yards on that drive. Payton today even second guessed his play calling at that point. However, kicking the field goal was the worst call. Cundiff is spotty at best and there was no way he was going to make that field goal on that field. It ended up giving the Bears great field position and they went 3-and-out. The 51-yard punt pinned us at the 5 yard line. Brees made one of his few bad decisions and was called for the safety. At that point we'd lost the momentum and Chicago's offense finally woke up. Naturally, you see it from your team's perspective and we see it from ours.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

If Saints fans, think they can count on Rookies Reggie Bush and Marques Colston to perform in the biggest game of thier pro careers they can think again. Last time I checked a big game from either of these players, Reggie Bush was running down the middle of the field and lateralled the ball to nobody and fumbled in national championship game.

Oh yeh, to everyone that doesn't think the Bears LB's can't cover Reggie Bush. We have two back to back Pro Bowl Lb's in Lance Briggs and Brian Urlacher. Oh yeh, Urlacher has caught Mike Vick from behind before as well.

Bush and Colston are rookies, but what about Hester or even Grossman? Grossman's at the most important position on the field and he's only played in 8 more games than Bush. We can point to just as many inexperienced Bears as there are Saints. Last I checked Grossman had 22 turnovers compared to 20 for the entire Saints team. I'm sure it will be a close game. Who do you want with the ball? Brees or Grossman in the fourth quarter? As far as covering Reggie, feel free to put your LBs on him...and face a steady diet of Deuce McAllister up the gut all day. They can't cover both of them.

Come and get your medicine guderian!!!!All week you hated and didn't listen. Now where are you?

I have numerous posts in the game thread, thanks. As far as your point about Bush and Colston not being able to perform in a big game, Bush had 151 yards and 1 TD. Colston 5/63 and 1 TD. So they accounted for both of our touchdowns.

As far as Urlacher catching Vick from behind...

39-14,39-14,39-14,39-14,39-14....anywaysColston did lose a fumble.

Bush did get covered by Urlacher one on one, when Bush was lined up at WR. Then he tried to run a stop and go route on Urlacher and it DIDN'T WORK......so Brees had to look in a different direction.

I never said Chris Harris and his 4.75 40 time could cover Bush.

 

[boubucarow]

The Bears were generally disrespected going into this game by the national media, and this poll further reflects the fact that people fall in love with offense and forget that defense wins championships.

Turnovers = Losses.

And aside from the questionable Lewis fumble, the Bears defense forced those turnovers with big unanticipated hits on the QB and the grab and strip technique on a receiver. The Saints didn't give the Bears the game by turning the ball over. The Bears took the ball away from the Saints and similar hits would have usually resulted in fumbles most of the time.In addition, the Bears were beating the Saints by two points and the Saints had a chance to take the lead. The Bears took over the game beginning with that safety/missed field goal. There was no silly turnover that caused the Saint demise at that point. They got whooped, plain and simple. The Bears won because they were clearly the better team that day. That is all.That said, congrats to the Saints on their great season and I am sure all Saints fans had a great time on Sundays this year. Also, the future sure does look bright on your end.

The early turnovers weren't the problem. We'd weathered the storm at that point and it was a 14-16 game. The Saints had the Bears on their heels before they kicked that field goal. We should have stuck to running the ball because McAllister and Karney had runs of 6 and 11 yards on that drive. Payton today even second guessed his play calling at that point. However, kicking the field goal was the worst call. Cundiff is spotty at best and there was no way he was going to make that field goal on that field. It ended up giving the Bears great field position and they went 3-and-out. The 51-yard punt pinned us at the 5 yard line. Brees made one of his few bad decisions and was called for the safety. At that point we'd lost the momentum and Chicago's offense finally woke up. Naturally, you see it from your team's perspective and we see it from ours.

True, but I do agree that Payton's shaky playcalling and decision making at times made it much easier for the Bears to win this game. If the Saints mixed in Deuce runs much more often, the game probably is a much different animal. And I agree on the field goal. My only disagreement with your statement really concerns Brees. He was the reason the Saints were in the game despite everything that was going wrong. On the safety, he didn't have much of a chance. He had no receivers in sight so either he takes the sack, throws it away safely, or tosses it in the middle of the field and hopes for the best. He probably made the safest decision in the hope that someone was near the sideline to prevent the penalty.

 

[DrJ]

Chi's O has that same advantage Rex Grossman.

I hear what you're saying Jurb, and against any normal QB you'd be 100% correct. But unless you have a crystal ball and can tell us what Rex will show up, you can't be certain that the Bears will even be capable of exploiting the match up there, which would nullify it.

I'm going to go with the guy that has looked as good as Drew Brees over the last 6 weeks, and usually fares pretty danged well against bad passing Defenses with a healthy Bernard Berrian, but that's just me.

There's a reason it's just you:Brees- 118/198 59.5% 1501 yds 10/1 98.1 QB rating past 6 games(excluding week 17)

Grossman- 104/194 53.6% 1228 yds 6/7 68.4 QB rating past 6 games(excluding week 17)

Psst, Saints pass D = #3, Bears pass D = #11.

I was thinking the last 6 weeks looked more like this, but skew it however you like I guess. Week 14:

Grossman: 13 of 23 for 200 yards and 2 TD's, 0 Int's.

Brees: 26 of 38 for 384 and 5 TD's, 0 Int's.

Advantage: Brees by a good bit.

Week 15:

Grossman: 29 of 44 for 339, 2 TD's, 0 Int's.

Brees: 21 of 38 for 207, 0 TD's, 1 Int's.

Advantage: Grossman by a good bit.

Week 16:

Grossman: 20 of 36 for 197, 1 TD, 0 Int's

Brees: 13 of 32 for 132, 1 TD, 0 Int's.

Advantage: Grossman.

Week 17:

Grossman: 2 of 12 for 33, 0 TD's, 3 Int's.

Brees: 4 of 5 for 46, 0 TD's, 0 Int's.

Advantage: Brees

Wildcard Round:

Grossman: No Stats

Brees: No Stats

Advantage: Even

Divisionals:

Grossman: 21 of 38 for 282, 1 TD, 1 Int

Brees: 20 of 32 for 243, 1 TD, 0 Int

Advantage: Even

 

[guderian]

The Bears were generally disrespected going into this game by the national media, and this poll further reflects the fact that people fall in love with offense and forget that defense wins championships.

Turnovers = Losses.

And aside from the questionable Lewis fumble, the Bears defense forced those turnovers with big unanticipated hits on the QB and the grab and strip technique on a receiver. The Saints didn't give the Bears the game by turning the ball over. The Bears took the ball away from the Saints and similar hits would have usually resulted in fumbles most of the time.In addition, the Bears were beating the Saints by two points and the Saints had a chance to take the lead. The Bears took over the game beginning with that safety/missed field goal. There was no silly turnover that caused the Saint demise at that point. They got whooped, plain and simple. The Bears won because they were clearly the better team that day. That is all.That said, congrats to the Saints on their great season and I am sure all Saints fans had a great time on Sundays this year. Also, the future sure does look bright on your end.

The early turnovers weren't the problem. We'd weathered the storm at that point and it was a 14-16 game. The Saints had the Bears on their heels before they kicked that field goal. We should have stuck to running the ball because McAllister and Karney had runs of 6 and 11 yards on that drive. Payton today even second guessed his play calling at that point. However, kicking the field goal was the worst call. Cundiff is spotty at best and there was no way he was going to make that field goal on that field. It ended up giving the Bears great field position and they went 3-and-out. The 51-yard punt pinned us at the 5 yard line. Brees made one of his few bad decisions and was called for the safety. At that point we'd lost the momentum and Chicago's offense finally woke up. Naturally, you see it from your team's perspective and we see it from ours.

True, but I do agree that Payton's shaky playcalling and decision making at times made it much easier for the Bears to win this game. If the Saints mixed in Deuce runs much more often, the game probably is a much different animal. And I agree on the field goal. My only disagreement with your statement really concerns Brees. He was the reason the Saints were in the game despite everything that was going wrong. On the safety, he didn't have much of a chance. He had no receivers in sight so either he takes the sack, throws it away safely, or tosses it in the middle of the field and hopes for the best. He probably made the safest decision in the hope that someone was near the sideline to prevent the penalty.

Apparently McAllister got stuck in picking up a blitz or got stuck in traffic on that play and was supposed to be in the flat. Brees didn't pick that up. I didn't intend to say that Brees had a bad game, he was behind on some of his throws (as he was last week), but made a bad decision in that case.

 

[Hamstring]

Brees numbers are skewed and they look better than they really were. They had no consitency except for 1 two minute drive. The Bush td was a gift as the Bears wsere out of place.

The pressure the Bears brought flustered Brees and he choked on it. His line shouldn't win any awards. The Bears beat this team soundly. By 25 points.

 

[shakeybarn]

The Bears were generally disrespected going into this game by the national media, and this poll further reflects the fact that people fall in love with offense and forget that defense wins championships.

Turnovers = Losses.

And aside from the questionable Lewis fumble, the Bears defense forced those turnovers with big unanticipated hits on the QB and the grab and strip technique on a receiver. The Saints didn't give the Bears the game by turning the ball over. The Bears took the ball away from the Saints and similar hits would have usually resulted in fumbles most of the time.In addition, the Bears were beating the Saints by two points and the Saints had a chance to take the lead. The Bears took over the game beginning with that safety/missed field goal. There was no silly turnover that caused the Saint demise at that point. They got whooped, plain and simple. The Bears won because they were clearly the better team that day. That is all.That said, congrats to the Saints on their great season and I am sure all Saints fans had a great time on Sundays this year. Also, the future sure does look bright on your end.

The early turnovers weren't the problem. We'd weathered the storm at that point and it was a 14-16 game. The Saints had the Bears on their heels before they kicked that field goal. We should have stuck to running the ball because McAllister and Karney had runs of 6 and 11 yards on that drive. Payton today even second guessed his play calling at that point. However, kicking the field goal was the worst call. Cundiff is spotty at best and there was no way he was going to make that field goal on that field. It ended up giving the Bears great field position and they went 3-and-out. The 51-yard punt pinned us at the 5 yard line. Brees made one of his few bad decisions and was called for the safety. At that point we'd lost the momentum and Chicago's offense finally woke up. Naturally, you see it from your team's perspective and we see it from ours.

True, but I do agree that Payton's shaky playcalling and decision making at times made it much easier for the Bears to win this game. If the Saints mixed in Deuce runs much more often, the game probably is a much different animal. And I agree on the field goal. My only disagreement with your statement really concerns Brees. He was the reason the Saints were in the game despite everything that was going wrong. On the safety, he didn't have much of a chance. He had no receivers in sight so either he takes the sack, throws it away safely, or tosses it in the middle of the field and hopes for the best. He probably made the safest decision in the hope that someone was near the sideline to prevent the penalty.

Apparently McAllister got stuck in picking up a blitz or got stuck in traffic on that play and was supposed to be in the flat. Brees didn't pick that up. I didn't intend to say that Brees had a bad game, he was behind on some of his throws (as he was last week), but made a bad decision in that case.

Who is this "McAllister" you speak of?

 

[Zigg]

Chi's O has that same advantage Rex Grossman.

I hear what you're saying Jurb, and against any normal QB you'd be 100% correct. But unless you have a crystal ball and can tell us what Rex will show up, you can't be certain that the Bears will even be capable of exploiting the match up there, which would nullify it.

I'm going to go with the guy that has looked as good as Drew Brees over the last 6 weeks, and usually fares pretty danged well against bad passing Defenses with a healthy Bernard Berrian, but that's just me.

There's a reason it's just you:Brees- 118/198 59.5% 1501 yds 10/1 98.1 QB rating past 6 games(excluding week 17)

Grossman- 104/194 53.6% 1228 yds 6/7 68.4 QB rating past 6 games(excluding week 17)

Psst, Saints pass D = #3, Bears pass D = #11.

I was thinking the last 6 weeks looked more like this, but skew it however you like I guess. Week 14:

Grossman: 13 of 23 for 200 yards and 2 TD's, 0 Int's.

Brees: 26 of 38 for 384 and 5 TD's, 0 Int's.

Advantage: Brees by a good bit.

Week 15:

Grossman: 29 of 44 for 339, 2 TD's, 0 Int's.

Brees: 21 of 38 for 207, 0 TD's, 1 Int's.

Advantage: Grossman by a good bit.

Week 16:

Grossman: 20 of 36 for 197, 1 TD, 0 Int's

Brees: 13 of 32 for 132, 1 TD, 0 Int's.

Advantage: Grossman.

Week 17:

Grossman: 2 of 12 for 33, 0 TD's, 3 Int's.

Brees: 4 of 5 for 46, 0 TD's, 0 Int's.

Advantage: Brees

Wildcard Round:

Grossman: No Stats

Brees: No Stats

Advantage: Even

Divisionals:

Grossman: 21 of 38 for 282, 1 TD, 1 Int

Brees: 20 of 32 for 243, 1 TD, 0 Int

Advantage: Even

What are you talking about, no skewing. You said six weeks, so I took six weeks stats, obviously leaving out the week he didn't play(a terrible week for Grossman by the way). Brees >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Grossman, but '06 Bears > '06 Saints. Good Luck next Sunday.

 

[Kasparov]

The real question NOS fans is what Brees shot yesterday and if he played 18 or 36.