Who wins the NFL MVP (2014)? (1 Viewer)

[dhockster]

Asked this in the Watt thread. Think he made a roughly 5 game difference in the Texans record. 3 of those games can't really even be debated. Packers were 12-4 with a pretty good defense, good running game and two top wide receivers. What is the Packers record with a average/ slightly above average QB, say a Tannehill or Flacco?

I would say at least 9-7, maybe 10-6. Heck, Flacco went 10-6 with Baltimore. Isn't Green Bay without a QB comparable to Baltimore without a QB?

 

[Anarchy99]

Asked this in the Watt thread. Think he made a roughly 5 game difference in the Texans record. 3 of those games can't really even be debated. Packers were 12-4 with a pretty good defense, good running game and two top wide receivers. What is the Packers record with a average/ slightly above average QB, say a Tannehill or Flacco?

I would say at least 9-7, maybe 10-6. Heck, Flacco went 10-6 with Baltimore. Isn't Green Bay without a QB comparable to Baltimore without a QB?

People will point to GB's record without Rodgers last year as to how valuable he is. 6-2 when he played, 2-5-1 when he didn't.

 

[dhockster]

Asked this in the Watt thread. Think he made a roughly 5 game difference in the Texans record. 3 of those games can't really even be debated. Packers were 12-4 with a pretty good defense, good running game and two top wide receivers. What is the Packers record with a average/ slightly above average QB, say a Tannehill or Flacco?

I would say at least 9-7, maybe 10-6. Heck, Flacco went 10-6 with Baltimore. Isn't Green Bay without a QB comparable to Baltimore without a QB?

People will point to GB's record without Rodgers last year as to how valuable he is. 6-2 when he played, 2-5-1 when he didn't.

Fair point. Although I think a better assessment of Rodger's value would be to compare him to an average starting QB rather than a back-up QB (or QB's in Green Bay's case last year).

 

[Manster]

RK PLAYER TEAM COMP ATT PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G

1 Tony Romo, QB DAL 304 435 69.9 3,705 8.52 68 34 9 30 113.2 247

2 Aaron Rodgers, QB GB 341 520 65.6 4,381 8.43 80 38 5 28 112.2 274

3 Ben Roethlisberger, QB PIT 408 608 67.1 4,952 8.15 94 32 9 33 103.3 310

I think Rodgers prolly wins, but you could still make a case for Romo and Big Ben.

 

[Anarchy99]

RK PLAYER TEAM COMP ATT PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G

1 Tony Romo, QB DAL 304 435 69.9 3,705 8.52 68 34 9 30 113.2 247

2 Aaron Rodgers, QB GB 341 520 65.6 4,381 8.43 80 38 5 28 112.2 274

3 Ben Roethlisberger, QB PIT 408 608 67.1 4,952 8.15 94 32 9 33 103.3 310

I think Rodgers prolly wins, but you could still make a case for Romo and Big Ben.

The issue for any good team is that they probably have multiple guys that are very valuable. Besides Romo, Murray and Bryant had huge years. Big Ben had Bell and Brown with huge years. In NE, Revis dramatically improved their defense while they started winning when Gronk got healthy and put up huge numbers.

 

[sho nuff]

Game ended up close...but watching it early Brady was off and Rodgers looked good. They did settle for FGs which made it closer...but to not think that was a huge game is laughable. It was a national audience for the first meeting between two star QBs.

Im not saying they didn't play other big games...but NE vs. Det is hardly close to being considered as back nationally as NE vs. GB was.

Missed calls? Come on now...

The Packers were handed a touchdown from a turnover that was overturned. They virtually shut down Cobb and Nelson ignoring the times they got away with interference that resulted in their biggest gains.Yeah a couple missed/bad calls.

 

[sho nuff]

Id have no problem if Watt were to win. That is a ridiculous season for a defensive player.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

Have fun at the Pro Bowl!

 

[Run It Up]

Asked this in the Watt thread. Think he made a roughly 5 game difference in the Texans record. 3 of those games can't really even be debated. Packers were 12-4 with a pretty good defense, good running game and two top wide receivers. What is the Packers record with a average/ slightly above average QB, say a Tannehill or Flacco?

I would say at least 9-7, maybe 10-6. Heck, Flacco went 10-6 with Baltimore. Isn't Green Bay without a QB comparable to Baltimore without a QB?

No?

 

[Manster]

RK PLAYER TEAM COMP ATT PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G

1 Tony Romo, QB DAL 304 435 69.9 3,705 8.52 68 34 9 30 113.2 247

2 Aaron Rodgers, QB GB 341 520 65.6 4,381 8.43 80 38 5 28 112.2 274

3 Ben Roethlisberger, QB PIT 408 608 67.1 4,952 8.15 94 32 9 33 103.3 310

I think Rodgers prolly wins, but you could still make a case for Romo and Big Ben.

The issue for any good team is that they probably have multiple guys that are very valuable. Besides Romo, Murray and Bryant had huge years. Big Ben had Bell and Brown with huge years. In NE, Revis dramatically improved their defense while they started winning when Gronk got healthy and put up huge numbers.

Rodgers has Lacey, Cobb, Nelson..........And I've heard people say that GB has better overall receiving options than Dallas.

 

[Yenrub]

Other than MVP, which probably isn't that close either, are any of these awards even up for debate?

MVP- Rodgers

DPOY- Watt

OROY- OBJ

DROY- Mosley

I think the list is correct and what will happen.

The award I personally disagree with is OROY. It's all because of position bias. OBJ had a hell of a year and is a future star. However...Z. Martin for the Cowboys played every snap this year and was the BEST OG in all of Football as a rookie. Beckham can't say the same.

Well OBJ doesn't play OG

I agree with the list but could see the kid in St. Louis getting DROY

I don't understand those voting for Romo over Murray though

OBJ is not the best player at his position like Martin.

Romo over Murray is easy.

How many games do the Cowboys win without Romo, I say 4-5.

How many games do the Cowboys win without Murray I say 9.

Rodgers

Watt

Romo

Brady

Murray

Agree to disagree

IMO Murray is what makes the Dallas offense work. He opens up the passing game for Romo and helps hide the holes on their defense

 

[Manster]

Other than MVP, which probably isn't that close either, are any of these awards even up for debate?

MVP- Rodgers

DPOY- Watt

OROY- OBJ

DROY- Mosley

I think the list is correct and what will happen.

The award I personally disagree with is OROY. It's all because of position bias. OBJ had a hell of a year and is a future star. However...Z. Martin for the Cowboys played every snap this year and was the BEST OG in all of Football as a rookie. Beckham can't say the same.

Well OBJ doesn't play OG

I agree with the list but could see the kid in St. Louis getting DROY

I don't understand those voting for Romo over Murray though

OBJ is not the best player at his position like Martin.

Romo over Murray is easy.

How many games do the Cowboys win without Romo, I say 4-5.

How many games do the Cowboys win without Murray I say 9.

Rodgers

Watt

Romo

Brady

Murray

Agree to disagree

IMO Murray is what makes the Dallas offense work. He opens up the passing game for Romo and helps hide the holes on their defense

Murray is good, but the Cowboys would still win games with Randle/Dunbar........With Weeden, not so much.'

Think of it this way, whats the hardest position in football? Quarterback.

What is the easiest position to come in as rookie and immediately be a starter? Running back.

Im not trying to diminish what Murray has done, cuz he's an incredible running back.....One of the best in the league. But, its much harder to have a great year as a QB than a RB.....not considering injuries.......Look around the league....How many QB's had great years? How many had bad years?

 

[Faust]

Organic email: J.J. Watt or Aaron Rodgers for MVP?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000452408/article/organic-email-jj-watt-or-aaron-rodgers-for-mvp

 

[Ghost Rider]

RK PLAYER TEAM COMP ATT PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G

1 Tony Romo, QB DAL 304 435 69.9 3,705 8.52 68 34 9 30 113.2 247

2 Aaron Rodgers, QB GB 341 520 65.6 4,381 8.43 80 38 5 28 112.2 274

3 Ben Roethlisberger, QB PIT 408 608 67.1 4,952 8.15 94 32 9 33 103.3 310

I think Rodgers prolly wins, but you could still make a case for Romo and Big Ben.

It's nearly impossible to make a strong argument for Ben as someone who should win, as opposed to being in the conversation. He had a very good year, with two games in there that were absolutely magnificent, but the consistency wasn't there for him like it was for Rodgers and Romo. I'd put Ben in the same tier with Peyton and Brady this year (in the 6-10 range for MVP). My top 5 would be Rodgers, Watt, Romo, Gronk and Luck or DeMarco.

 

[Manster]

Yea, I agree on Ben. Tons of yards, but his passer rating is much lower than Rodgers and Romo. I'd put Ben above Luck though. Luck had 16 int's and his passer rating was like 93.

Its between Rodgers, Watt, and Romo. Rodgers is the fave, but if one of the other two win, I don't think there will be much surprise or backlash.

I know I've said this already, but I'm ####### stoked that Romo is in the MVP convo, and not the folding like a lawn chair convo!

 

[maf005]

Rodgers had 2-3 bad games and was overall mediocre on the road.

Romo is not getting enough attention in this thread

 

[Ghost Rider]

Yea, I agree on Ben. Tons of yards, but his passer rating is much lower than Rodgers and Romo. I'd put Ben above Luck though. Luck had 16 int's and his passer rating was like 93.

Its between Rodgers, Watt, and Romo. Rodgers is the fave, but if one of the other two win, I don't think there will be much surprise or backlash.

I know I've said this already, but I'm ####### stoked that Romo is in the MVP convo, and not the folding like a lawn chair convo!

I know, but Luck plays behind a dreadful o-line and Trent Richardson is his main RB. For him to do as well as he does with those things on his side is pretty awesome. Take Luck off of the Colts and they'd possibly have a top 5 draft pick. I think Luck is a classic example of someone who is better than his stats say he is (like Russell Wilson).

 

[Manster]

Yea, that's a pretty good point. I like Luck a lot. He is undoubtedly a rising star in the NFL. He's come into a pretty bad Indy team and put them on his shoulders for sure.

Romo in December

74.8% completions.....12 TD's....1 int.........133.7 passer rating........Highest passer rating in NFL history for the month of December! Good running game or not, that's impressive!

 

[sho nuff]

Rodgers had 2-3 bad games and was overall mediocre on the road.

Romo is not getting enough attention in this thread

Romo had 2-3 bad games too.

And a player on his team that was overshadowing him in Murray. That will always hurt a contender.

Still a great year for Romo...but he and Murray fall to 3rd and below behind Rodgers and Watt.

 

[Manster]

Rodgers had 2-3 bad games and was overall mediocre on the road.

Romo is not getting enough attention in this thread

Romo had 2-3 bad games too.

And a player on his team that was overshadowing him in Murray. That will always hurt a contender.

Still a great year for Romo...but he and Murray fall to 3rd and below behind Rodgers and Watt.

Murray didn't overshadow Romo down the stretch. I think the highest passer rating EVER in the month of December shows who Dallas' MVP is.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Rodgers had 2-3 bad games and was overall mediocre on the road.

Romo is not getting enough attention in this thread

Romo had 2-3 bad games too.

And a player on his team that was overshadowing him in Murray. That will always hurt a contender.

Still a great year for Romo...but he and Murray fall to 3rd and below behind Rodgers and Watt.

Murray didn't overshadow Romo down the stretch. I think the highest passer rating EVER in the month of December shows who Dallas' MVP is.

What about September, October and November? Don't they count too?

 

[Freelove]

Yeah, Romo's December was plenty awesome enough to earn him a spot in the discussion, but his season wasn't good enough to be a realistic contender over QB's with equally good records, equal or better statistical profiles, and no real question whether or not they are the most deserving candidate on their own team.

He was awesome, though. I think Rodgers and Watt are the only real candidates -- Rodgers being the slam dunk victor as the most deserving QB if the majority of voters vote on value, Watt being the darkhorse if enough voters rebel against that and vote based on simply how awesome the guy's season was.

 

[Manster]

Rodgers had 2-3 bad games and was overall mediocre on the road.

Romo is not getting enough attention in this thread

Romo had 2-3 bad games too.

And a player on his team that was overshadowing him in Murray. That will always hurt a contender.

Still a great year for Romo...but he and Murray fall to 3rd and below behind Rodgers and Watt.

Murray didn't overshadow Romo down the stretch. I think the highest passer rating EVER in the month of December shows who Dallas' MVP is.

What about September, October and November? Don't they count too?

Of course. Romo ended the season with the highest passer rating and completion percentage. 8-0 on the road.....All I'm saying is he finished strong......Really strong......He answered the question about whether he could do it without Murray as well, when he was dinged up.

 

[IHEARTFF]

It's Rodgers. Certainly a great year for Romo, Watt and a few others.

 

[sho nuff]

Rodgers had 2-3 bad games and was overall mediocre on the road.

Romo is not getting enough attention in this thread

Romo had 2-3 bad games too.

And a player on his team that was overshadowing him in Murray. That will always hurt a contender.

Still a great year for Romo...but he and Murray fall to 3rd and below behind Rodgers and Watt.

Murray didn't overshadow Romo down the stretch. I think the highest passer rating EVER in the month of December shows who Dallas' MVP is.

Sure...down the stretch is why Romo is in the conversation.

But the MVP is not the MVP of December.

 

[maf005]

Rodgers had 2-3 bad games and was overall mediocre on the road.

Romo is not getting enough attention in this thread

Romo had 2-3 bad games too.

And a player on his team that was overshadowing him in Murray. That will always hurt a contender.

Still a great year for Romo...but he and Murray fall to 3rd and below behind Rodgers and Watt.

There are no stand-alone MVP qb candidates. Other players on the team made it possible whether it's Murray/Dez/oline with Romo or Cobb/Lacy/Jordy for Rodgers. Qbs don't put up MVP numbers without other units in the offense playing really well. Their numbers don't exist in a vacuum.

And to me expectations factor into this a bit too, sorta like how coty is given to not the best coach but the coach who exceeded expectations the most. Dallas was supposed to win like 5-8 games. Maybe I'm thinking of o/u wins as a proxy for an overall talent metric of a team so the candidate from a team that exceeds expectations gets a bit of a boost. Idk if that's fair or not

 

[Ghost Rider]

Rodgers had 2-3 bad games and was overall mediocre on the road.

Romo is not getting enough attention in this thread

Romo had 2-3 bad games too.

And a player on his team that was overshadowing him in Murray. That will always hurt a contender.

Still a great year for Romo...but he and Murray fall to 3rd and below behind Rodgers and Watt.

Murray didn't overshadow Romo down the stretch. I think the highest passer rating EVER in the month of December shows who Dallas' MVP is.

I agree that Romo was more valuable than Murray (both were extremely valuable to Dallas this year), but December is not the only month of the season. It is MVP for the whole season, not just December. Playing well down the stretch is often the tiebreaker for some, I get it, but you have to look at the whole season.

 

[Manster]

Rodgers had 2-3 bad games and was overall mediocre on the road.

Romo is not getting enough attention in this thread

Romo had 2-3 bad games too.

And a player on his team that was overshadowing him in Murray. That will always hurt a contender.

Still a great year for Romo...but he and Murray fall to 3rd and below behind Rodgers and Watt.

Murray didn't overshadow Romo down the stretch. I think the highest passer rating EVER in the month of December shows who Dallas' MVP is.

Sure...down the stretch is why Romo is in the conversation.

But the MVP is not the MVP of December.

Like I stated above, Romo finished the season with the highest passer rating and completion percentage.....For the whole year.

Rodgers had 2-3 bad games and was overall mediocre on the road.

Romo is not getting enough attention in this thread

Romo had 2-3 bad games too.

And a player on his team that was overshadowing him in Murray. That will always hurt a contender.

Still a great year for Romo...but he and Murray fall to 3rd and below behind Rodgers and Watt.

There are no stand-alone MVP qb candidates. Other players on the team made it possible whether it's Murray/Dez/oline with Romo or Cobb/Lacy/Jordy for Rodgers. Qbs don't put up MVP numbers without other units in the offense playing really well. Their numbers don't exist in a vacuum.

And to me expectations factor into this a bit too, sorta like how coty is given to not the best coach but the coach who exceeded expectations the most. Dallas was supposed to win like 5-8 games. Maybe I'm thinking of o/u wins as a proxy for an overall talent metric of a team so the candidate from a team that exceeds expectations gets a bit of a boost. Idk if that's fair or not

I think this is an excellent post, and one of the reasons why theres more to all this than just handing it over to Rodgers. EVERYONE had the Cowboys stinking it up this season. Remember when Sean Lee went down?.....The Cowboys were toast!

 

[Ghost Rider]

Expectations are irrelevant when it comes to the MVP race. Coach of the Year often goes to a coach who greatly exceeds expectations, but not the MVP award.

 

[Freelove]

Rodgers had 2-3 bad games and was overall mediocre on the road.

Romo is not getting enough attention in this thread

Romo had 2-3 bad games too.

And a player on his team that was overshadowing him in Murray. That will always hurt a contender.

Still a great year for Romo...but he and Murray fall to 3rd and below behind Rodgers and Watt.

Murray didn't overshadow Romo down the stretch. I think the highest passer rating EVER in the month of December shows who Dallas' MVP is.

Sure...down the stretch is why Romo is in the conversation.

But the MVP is not the MVP of December.

Like I stated above, Romo finished the season with the highest passer rating and completion percentage.....For the whole year.

Rodgers had 2-3 bad games and was overall mediocre on the road.

Romo is not getting enough attention in this thread

Romo had 2-3 bad games too.

And a player on his team that was overshadowing him in Murray. That will always hurt a contender.

Still a great year for Romo...but he and Murray fall to 3rd and below behind Rodgers and Watt.

There are no stand-alone MVP qb candidates. Other players on the team made it possible whether it's Murray/Dez/oline with Romo or Cobb/Lacy/Jordy for Rodgers. Qbs don't put up MVP numbers without other units in the offense playing really well. Their numbers don't exist in a vacuum.

And to me expectations factor into this a bit too, sorta like how coty is given to not the best coach but the coach who exceeded expectations the most. Dallas was supposed to win like 5-8 games. Maybe I'm thinking of o/u wins as a proxy for an overall talent metric of a team so the candidate from a team that exceeds expectations gets a bit of a boost. Idk if that's fair or not

I think this is an excellent post, and one of the reasons why theres more to all this than just handing it over to Rodgers. EVERYONE had the Cowboys stinking it up this season. Remember when Sean Lee went down?.....The Cowboys were toast!

I don't think anyone's just "handing it over to Rodgers." I think when comparing Romo to Rodgers, Romo has the best WR in the discussion (though I'd buy into an argument that the Pack receivers are on par as a unit -- though my subjective opinion is that the Pack group is brought up further by their QB than the DAL unit), a better OL, a better TE, and a better RB. Obviously, these things aren't 100% testable, and are a bit subjective, but I'd think that the majority of fans would agree with these sentiments.

Yes, Romo and the Cowboys both defied expectations. And good for those guys.

It's just that in the Cowboys' case, I think that overperformance has more to do with the defense performing better than expected, and the quality of the weapons and protection Romo is working with than the identical record has to do with those things in Rodgers's case. Put more simply, I think Rodgers played a much bigger percentage role in getting the Pack to 12-4 than Romo played in getting the Cowboys there. Not that Romo wasn't awesome.

Plus, I simply think Rodgers had a better year than Romo on top of that, even though I recognize that there are more stats than just yards and TD's.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

Lots of decent candidates, but imho it goes to Rodgers with Watt a somewhat distant 2nd.

 

[Manster]

Expectations are irrelevant when it comes to the MVP race. Coach of the Year often goes to a coach who greatly exceeds expectations, but not the MVP award.

Not completely irrelevant.....When a team such as the Cowboys outdo expectations by a wide margin, there is credit to go around. The question is how much does Romo deserve?

 

[Ghost Rider]

Of course credit goes out, but the Cowboys defying expectations doesn't mean Romo was more valuable than a QB on a team that was expected to be a top team. If that were the case, neither Manning nor Brady could ever be the MVP, since their teams always have the highest expectations.

 

[Manster]

Rodgers had 2-3 bad games and was overall mediocre on the road.

Romo is not getting enough attention in this thread

Romo had 2-3 bad games too.

And a player on his team that was overshadowing him in Murray. That will always hurt a contender.

Still a great year for Romo...but he and Murray fall to 3rd and below behind Rodgers and Watt.

Murray didn't overshadow Romo down the stretch. I think the highest passer rating EVER in the month of December shows who Dallas' MVP is.

Sure...down the stretch is why Romo is in the conversation.

But the MVP is not the MVP of December.

Like I stated above, Romo finished the season with the highest passer rating and completion percentage.....For the whole year.

Rodgers had 2-3 bad games and was overall mediocre on the road.

Romo is not getting enough attention in this thread

Romo had 2-3 bad games too.

And a player on his team that was overshadowing him in Murray. That will always hurt a contender.

Still a great year for Romo...but he and Murray fall to 3rd and below behind Rodgers and Watt.

There are no stand-alone MVP qb candidates. Other players on the team made it possible whether it's Murray/Dez/oline with Romo or Cobb/Lacy/Jordy for Rodgers. Qbs don't put up MVP numbers without other units in the offense playing really well. Their numbers don't exist in a vacuum.

And to me expectations factor into this a bit too, sorta like how coty is given to not the best coach but the coach who exceeded expectations the most. Dallas was supposed to win like 5-8 games. Maybe I'm thinking of o/u wins as a proxy for an overall talent metric of a team so the candidate from a team that exceeds expectations gets a bit of a boost. Idk if that's fair or not

I think this is an excellent post, and one of the reasons why theres more to all this than just handing it over to Rodgers. EVERYONE had the Cowboys stinking it up this season. Remember when Sean Lee went down?.....The Cowboys were toast!

I don't think anyone's just "handing it over to Rodgers." I think when comparing Romo to Rodgers, Romo has the best WR in the discussion (though I'd buy into an argument that the Pack receivers are on par as a unit -- though my subjective opinion is that the Pack group is brought up further by their QB than the DAL unit), a better OL, a better TE, and a better RB. Obviously, these things aren't 100% testable, and are a bit subjective, but I'd think that the majority of fans would agree with these sentiments.

Yes, Romo and the Cowboys both defied expectations. And good for those guys.

It's just that in the Cowboys' case, I think that overperformance has more to do with the defense performing better than expected, and the quality of the weapons and protection Romo is working with than the identical record has to do with those things in Rodgers's case. Put more simply, I think Rodgers played a much bigger percentage role in getting the Pack to 12-4 than Romo played in getting the Cowboys there. Not that Romo wasn't awesome.

Plus, I simply think Rodgers had a better year than Romo on top of that, even though I recognize that there are more stats than just yards and TD's.

So now the Cowboys and Packers receiving corps are equal?

Not trying to argue, but I've never heard these Cowboys receiving corps being as good overall as the current Packers.

And lets say they are considered "on par" now....How much is due to the receivers, and how much is due to Romo making good, accurate throws. Cuz if you've been watching, Romo has been making some great throws.

 

[Manster]

I'm a Cowboys fan, I've got a dog in the race. I'm biased obviously.

Rodgers is great, and arguably the best QB in the NFL......I like Romo. I think he's a good guy, and a good QB. I will crirticize him when I think he deserves, just as much as I'll praise him.

That said, if I'm honest with myself, I want Romo to vindicate himself for his past mistakes......Not that they're all on him....His team, especially the defense has crumbled around him in past years, but that's a different thread.

Rodgers will prolly win, and I'm totally ok with it. Go Cowboys!

 

[Freelove]

Yeah, I don't much give a damn about the MVP, other than for argument's sake.

I'm totally rooting for the Cowboys and the Steelers for the SB. Only because I thought the 70's were awesome.

 

[sho nuff]

Rodgers had 2-3 bad games and was overall mediocre on the road.

Romo is not getting enough attention in this thread

Romo had 2-3 bad games too.

And a player on his team that was overshadowing him in Murray. That will always hurt a contender.

Still a great year for Romo...but he and Murray fall to 3rd and below behind Rodgers and Watt.

Murray didn't overshadow Romo down the stretch. I think the highest passer rating EVER in the month of December shows who Dallas' MVP is.

Sure...down the stretch is why Romo is in the conversation.

But the MVP is not the MVP of December.

Like I stated above, Romo finished the season with the highest passer rating and completion percentage.....For the whole year.

And Rodgers not far behind...while throwing for more TDs, more yards, and with fewer turnovers.

 

[ragnarok628]

I see that Brady has fallen out of the conversation. My thinking is that he has the absolute worst receiving corps of any other QB in the discussion and a carousel of RBs over the season, but is sitting on the #1 seed in the AFC with as good a record as any other team in football. Not saying i'd definitely vote him in over Rodgers, but shouldn't he be more in the discussion?

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

I said have fun at the Pro Bowl.

 

[Bankerguy]

Other than MVP, which probably isn't that close either, are any of these awards even up for debate?

MVP- Rodgers

DPOY- Watt

OROY- OBJ

DROY- Mosley

I think the list is correct and what will happen.

The award I personally disagree with is OROY. It's all because of position bias. OBJ had a hell of a year and is a future star. However...Z. Martin for the Cowboys played every snap this year and was the BEST OG in all of Football as a rookie. Beckham can't say the same.

OBJ played 12 games. He lead the league in yards per game and tied with Dez for first in TD's per game. Plus he made possible the greatest catch of all time. So there is a good argument he was the best WR in all of football.

Martin just named All Pro. Beckham not.

Again...not saying he isn't amazing, but based on this fact alone should win the award for Martin. We both know otherwise though.

 

[Anarchy99]

Current odds to win MVP from OddsChecker.com . . .

Rodgers 1-33

J.J. Watt 7-1

Brady 12-1

Wilson 20-1

Murray 25-1

Lynch 25-1

Romo 40-1

Peyton 90-1

 

[Manster]

Current odds to win MVP from OddsChecker.com . . .

Rodgers 1-33

J.J. Watt 7-1

Brady 12-1

Wilson 20-1

Murray 25-1

Lynch 25-1

Romo 40-1

Peyton 90-1

Wow, I'm surprised by these.

 

[Bruce Leroy]

You shouldn't be.

Not bad....$99 wins you $3 for guaranteed money

 

[Freelove]

I see that Brady has fallen out of the conversation. My thinking is that he has the absolute worst receiving corps of any other QB in the discussion and a carousel of RBs over the season, but is sitting on the #1 seed in the AFC with as good a record as any other team in football. Not saying i'd definitely vote him in over Rodgers, but shouldn't he be more in the discussion?

He gets the pat on the back of being solidly near the top on the odds list, but as refected by those odds, I can't see any way he finishes above Rodgers, so what is there to discuss?

Great season, Tom, and you did just whst we've come to expect of you. But it just wasn't an MVP season.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I see that Brady has fallen out of the conversation. My thinking is that he has the absolute worst receiving corps of any other QB in the discussion and a carousel of RBs over the season, but is sitting on the #1 seed in the AFC with as good a record as any other team in football. Not saying i'd definitely vote him in over Rodgers, but shouldn't he be more in the discussion?

No. Brady was probably the 6th best quarterback in the league this year (behind Rodgers, Romo, Luck, Peyton and Roethlisberger). That doesn't get you in the MVP conversation.

Oh, and I'd probably put Wilson ahead of Brady. His receiving corps is far worse than Brady's.

 

[Manster]

You shouldn't be.

Not bad....$99 wins you $3 for guaranteed money

Im not surprised by Rodgers.....Its the rest of the list.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

Rodgers was selected as the quarterback on the Associated Press All-Pro team released Friday. The Green Bay Packers quarterback received 44 of the 50 votes, while Romo received three votes. Tom Brady (two votes) and Andrew Luck (one) received the other quarterback votes. The Associated Press also conducts the voting for the MVP award.

 

[dhockster]

Other than MVP, which probably isn't that close either, are any of these awards even up for debate?

MVP- Rodgers

DPOY- Watt

OROY- OBJ

DROY- Mosley

I think the list is correct and what will happen.

The award I personally disagree with is OROY. It's all because of position bias. OBJ had a hell of a year and is a future star. However...Z. Martin for the Cowboys played every snap this year and was the BEST OG in all of Football as a rookie. Beckham can't say the same.

OBJ played 12 games. He lead the league in yards per game and tied with Dez for first in TD's per game. Plus he made possible the greatest catch of all time. So there is a good argument he was the best WR in all of football.

Martin just named All Pro. Beckham not.

Again...not saying he isn't amazing, but based on this fact alone should win the award for Martin. We both know otherwise though.

Whether more deserving or not, Beckham has all those shiny statistics and highlight videos. Martin does not. Beckham will win.

Remember when it took 3 years for WR's to develop? That really has changed since most colleges have gone to pro style offenses. WR's now come into the league ready to go.

 

[FlapJacks]

I think it's Luck

I think GB minus Rodgers would fare much better than Indy minus Luck.

 

[dhockster]

Yeah, Romo's December was plenty awesome enough to earn him a spot in the discussion, but his season wasn't good enough to be a realistic contender over QB's with equally good records, equal or better statistical profiles, and no real question whether or not they are the most deserving candidate on their own team.

He was awesome, though. I think Rodgers and Watt are the only real candidates -- Rodgers being the slam dunk victor as the most deserving QB if the majority of voters vote on value, Watt being the darkhorse if enough voters rebel against that and vote based on simply how awesome the guy's season was.

So is there anything more Watt could have done, in your opinion, to deserve the MVP over Rodgers? Or do you think a QB should always win over a DE?