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Who would you start? (if you were Andy Reid) (1 Viewer)

Vick or Kolb?

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you really think a shark pool poll lends any credence to your ideas? shark pool is ok. i mean, its not youtube comments. but its not even close to the better discourse on other forums. there are a few things the bigwigs could do, but they seem intent on allowing the status quo.

 
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You made the decision that Kolb was your guy for the future in the off-season - why would you not start him after one back half?
Because you haven't given up on the SuperBowl yet and because Kolb has looked like doggy doo doo.Seriously, Vick is in MVP form right now...I don't understand how you can bench him for a guy that MIGHT lead you to the Superbowl in future years.Seem like a -EV play to me...big time.How incredibily demoralizing this must be for the players too.
vick lead them to an extremely narrow victory over the worst team of the past decade. how can you even consider the super bowl?
You mean the same Lions team that SHOULD have won vs. the Bears in week 1 if not for a bad rule? A Bears team that are 2-0 after beating Dallas.
 
IMHO, Reid is a moron for starting Kolb week 3.
The situation is a little more complicated due to the success of Vick in the last two games. However, the Eagles didn't make this decision after watching them both play two games on TV like all of you have...they have watched Kolb over a four year period. They have seen him perform in practice, preseason, the offseason, and games, and they obviously think he is the better player.Due to their track record, I think I would have to trust them over you.
 
The Eagles need to see what they have in Kolb. He's been behind Donovan for 4 years and has been given the starter position before the year started. The Eagles are staying committed to Kolb to make him the QB for the future years. They recognize that this year would be difficult the same way Rodgers did during his transition. The Vick signing gave another veteran QB as a backup to Kolb. It is what it is. Arguing about it ain't changing anything. The fact is, he's the guys, albeit maybe with a shorter leash with Vick playing the way he has.

 
.....why would you even think they would consider not starting Kolb?
Oh, I don't know...perhaps because the point is to win games and go to the playoffs.Or is there another objective I'm not aware of?
Yeah, the other objective is to build a team that can win the Super Bowl. To do that, the Eagles need to get Kevin Kolb in the right frame of mind and playing at a high level. They aren't going to the Super Bowl this year. Banged-up OL. Defense isn't there yet. Yeah, maybe they make the playoffs with Vick and not with Kolb. Maybe. But it's about the future, not about this week or next - and Kevin Kolb is or maybe isn't the future. The only way to find out is to play him.
Why couldn't Vick be the Eagles QB for the next 5 years? Why does it have to be Kolb?
 
What short memories people have--Vick has never been a great QB and it's laughable to think he should start the rest of the way. Granted, he looked decent today, but Kolb could have torched the Lion D as well....The bottom line is Kolb is the future and he needs time to develop...
Seems like you're the one with the short memory. Vick had the football world in the palm of his hands a few years ago before he went crazy. As good as he was in Atlanta, everyone will tell you he was completely unfocused.Now he is actually focused and he looks amazing.
 
.....why would you even think they would consider not starting Kolb?
Oh, I don't know...perhaps because the point is to win games and go to the playoffs.Or is there another objective I'm not aware of?
Yeah, the other objective is to build a team that can win the Super Bowl. To do that, the Eagles need to get Kevin Kolb in the right frame of mind and playing at a high level. They aren't going to the Super Bowl this year. Banged-up OL. Defense isn't there yet. Yeah, maybe they make the playoffs with Vick and not with Kolb. Maybe. But it's about the future, not about this week or next - and Kevin Kolb is or maybe isn't the future. The only way to find out is to play him.
Why couldn't Vick be the Eagles QB for the next 5 years? Why does it have to be Kolb?
bc andy reid invested immensely in kolb and nfl coaches have absurd egos.
 
.....why would you even think they would consider not starting Kolb?
Oh, I don't know...perhaps because the point is to win games and go to the playoffs.Or is there another objective I'm not aware of?
Yeah, the other objective is to build a team that can win the Super Bowl. To do that, the Eagles need to get Kevin Kolb in the right frame of mind and playing at a high level. They aren't going to the Super Bowl this year. Banged-up OL. Defense isn't there yet. Yeah, maybe they make the playoffs with Vick and not with Kolb. Maybe. But it's about the future, not about this week or next - and Kevin Kolb is or maybe isn't the future. The only way to find out is to play him.
Why couldn't Vick be the Eagles QB for the next 5 years? Why does it have to be Kolb?
bc andy reid invested immensely in kolb and nfl coaches have absurd egos.
invested immensely? what exactly did he invest in kolb? it wasn't his money or his final decision to extend him. also, please tell us more about reid's ego since you and him are such close friends. thanks freud.reid cares about his job and winning. thats where his ego is firmly centered. yeah, he is gonna give kolb a shot but if he sucks as bad as he did week 1 for more than a few weeks, he is GONE (to the bench).
 
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he shipped donavan mcnabb, a far better qb than kolb or vick at this point, so that he could groom kolb. that seems like a large investment to me.

 
What will happen is the following:

Kolb will start next week and the following 5-6 weeks. He will look decent in some games, bad in others. The Eagles will win as many as they lose and enter the latter half of the season at around .500.

During this time, the calls for Vick will get louder and louder. Eventually, Reid will give in to fan pressure and start Vick around week 10.

 
Yes, Reid invested immensely in Kolb

1) He drafted him

2) It was his decision to sign him in the offseason

3) It was his decision to trade Donovan

4) Reid cares about his player becoming great, so he can say 'look, we did it MY way with MY guy.' The only thing bigger on Andy Reid than his ego is his stomach. And I like the guy and hope he is given long enough to turn Kolb into a great NFL QB.

And that's a big part of what this is all about - Reid is convinced he can make Kolb great (and that's more of an ego thing).

You think Reid is in danger of losing his job if they go 6-10? No.

As for the rest of you who think Kolb should get benched, how many games did Troy Aikman and Peyton Manning win their first years? Kolb has played one-half of one game. Hardly enough to make a solid judgment.

 
This thread is amazing. Eagles already let go of one QB who was better than Kolb last offseason. Are they planning to do this every year? Is there some reason the Eagles don't want to re-sign the QB who's playing like a MVP?
Bingo! Which is further proof this year is NOT about winning or going to the playoffs. Its about developing their QB of the future. If they were so concerned about this year, they would have just kept McNabb.
So they are emulating the 49ers?Have fun with that Philly.

 
.....why would you even think they would consider not starting Kolb?
Oh, I don't know...perhaps because the point is to win games and go to the playoffs.Or is there another objective I'm not aware of?
Yeah, the other objective is to build a team that can win the Super Bowl. To do that, the Eagles need to get Kevin Kolb in the right frame of mind and playing at a high level. They aren't going to the Super Bowl this year. Banged-up OL. Defense isn't there yet. Yeah, maybe they make the playoffs with Vick and not with Kolb. Maybe. But it's about the future, not about this week or next - and Kevin Kolb is or maybe isn't the future. The only way to find out is to play him.
over the course of the next 7 years, the eales have a better chance of making the super bowl with vick than kolb.
??confused?? 7 years, lol...in 7 years Vick will have his 3rd grandchild and will be living his last days with his sweetheart on the old ranch. In 2 years the guy is ready for pasture. Look, Vick is an amazing athlete. He has already slowed down at the age of 31, it's just that he was so much faster than anyone else, that this older/slower version of Vick is still probably in the top 1% of NFL players speed wise. But in a couple years the guy will have no athletisicm left, at least at the NFL level. He just won't.The Eagles CANNOT win a super bowl with vick. If the insane law enforcement wouldn't have destroyed this man's career, then perhaps he would have had a chance in his prime years from 27-30. Unfortunately, someone he knew killed some dogs and so he had to go to jail and forfiet his possibly legend career. But it's over now. At 31, he has no chance to build a super bowl team.Kolb on the other hand still has a chance. He can turn into a great QB. Or perhaps he falters and bags groceries for the rest of his life. But you'll never know which one unless you play the guy. Yes, more than a half, more than a minute, more than a second. A QB needs a year or MORE to get into his prime.
 
The notion that the Eagles have no chance to go anywhere this year so play Kolb is laughable. Why can't the Eagles win the NFC East? None of those teams are better than the Eagles. There are only two teams that are "great" teams in the NFC (Saints and Packers). They can hang with anyone else. Put your best field on the team every week. It didn't hurt Aaron Rodgers to sit a few years, why can't Kolb sit this year? Vick gives this team the best chance to go deep into the playoffs. Let it ride...
funny you should mention aaron rodgers considering the packers cut favre after the team went 13-3 and settled for a 6-10 season the next year. and now because they suffered through that one lean year they will be a super bowl contender for the next 5 years. hopefully the eagles arent as shortsighted as the people here.
I agree that they should start Kolb...but let's not get crazy here, lol...Kolb is no Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers is the premier QB in the league for the next 5-10 years. Kolb is a guy who has played 2 decent games in his career and a few crappy ones.
 
I voted for Vick, although I fully understand that Stubborn Andy will start Kolb in Week 3.

Some points for consideration:

#1 I see it is assanine for any Eagles fan to take the view that the 2010 Eagles are not going to "win it all" so who cares about wins and losses, lets just "develop Kolb". This shows an extreme misunderstanding of the state of play in the NFL these days. Take a look at the NFC East, a division that may be vastly overrated as both NYG and Dallas look like teams with some major flaws and Washington at best is an 8 or 9 win team. So a division title is there to clearly compete for. But that's not good enough? I'd rather lose 10 games and "build for the future"? The future is now and teams that get into the playoffs can get "hot". Look at the 2009 NY Jets, made it to the AFC Championship game and were leading it at halftime.

#2 Kolb does not have a Peyton Manning-like contract. There is no reason why Mike Vick couldn't be the Eagles QB for at least 3 more seasons (which is a lifetime in today's NFL) after 2010. Bad argument to point to the fact that Vick will be a FA at the end of the year. If Vick is playing well and the Eagles are winning what better opportunity to sign him to a 3 year extension than during this current season.

#3 Those that point to Vick's past failings as a QB, need to acknowledge that he does have "special talent". He has had the ulitmate "change of scenary" and it is quite feasible that he is poised to have the best run at QB in his NFL career. BTW, if one looks back at his career, as flawed as it may have been, he still was good enough to be a playoff caliber QB.

#4 The slashing weapons that the Eagles have in Jackson and Maclin should make more big plays in an offense led by Vick, who's ability to improvise in a broken down pocket (something that will happen frequently given the Eagles subpar offensive line) than they would with a more stationary Kolb. Did anyone see Deshaun "Diva" Jackson visibly pouting in Week 1 and fully embracing Vick in Week 2? Secondly, did anyone notice what Vick's presence on the defense did for the Eagles' running game yesterday? McCoy had much more room to run inside yesterday due to the defensive schemes needed to contain Vick

#5 Those that say it was "Detroit" should really wake up. Detroit is an improved team that almost beat the Bears in Week 1. Moreover, I don't think Kolb, with his much inferior escapability, would have made several key plays that Vick made yesterday and I think that with Kolb the Eagles lose week 2.

 
The notion that the Eagles have no chance to go anywhere this year so play Kolb is laughable. Why can't the Eagles win the NFC East? None of those teams are better than the Eagles. There are only two teams that are "great" teams in the NFC (Saints and Packers). They can hang with anyone else. Put your best field on the team every week. It didn't hurt Aaron Rodgers to sit a few years, why can't Kolb sit this year? Vick gives this team the best chance to go deep into the playoffs. Let it ride...
funny you should mention aaron rodgers considering the packers cut favre after the team went 13-3 and settled for a 6-10 season the next year. and now because they suffered through that one lean year they will be a super bowl contender for the next 5 years. hopefully the eagles arent as shortsighted as the people here.
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Hell... I own Kolb (don't have Vick) and even I think that Vick should keep starting. I know Kolb is their "future" but Vick is winning "now!"

 
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The notion that the Eagles have no chance to go anywhere this year so play Kolb is laughable. Why can't the Eagles win the NFC East? None of those teams are better than the Eagles. There are only two teams that are "great" teams in the NFC (Saints and Packers). They can hang with anyone else. Put your best field on the team every week. It didn't hurt Aaron Rodgers to sit a few years, why can't Kolb sit this year? Vick gives this team the best chance to go deep into the playoffs.

Let it ride...
funny you should mention aaron rodgers considering the packers cut favre after the team went 13-3 and settled for a 6-10 season the next year. and now because they suffered through that one lean year they will be a super bowl contender for the next 5 years. hopefully the eagles arent as shortsighted as the people here.
I agree that they should start Kolb...but let's not get crazy here, lol...Kolb is no Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers is the premier QB in the league for the next 5-10 years. Kolb is a guy who has played 2 decent games in his career and a few crappy ones.
While you're probably correct...the thinking is off. Rodgers showed no more then Kolb in his first three years (in fact, the opposite is true!) Kolb has earned a real chance to prove himself. Ten attempts under duress are NOT a real chance.
 
I voted for Vick, although I fully understand that Stubborn Andy will start Kolb in Week 3.Some points for consideration:#1 I see it is assanine for any Eagles fan to take the view that the 2010 Eagles are not going to "win it all" so who cares about wins and losses, lets just "develop Kolb". This shows an extreme misunderstanding of the state of play in the NFL these days. Take a look at the NFC East, a division that may be vastly overrated as both NYG and Dallas look like teams with some major flaws and Washington at best is an 8 or 9 win team. So a division title is there to clearly compete for. But that's not good enough? I'd rather lose 10 games and "build for the future"? The future is now and teams that get into the playoffs can get "hot". Look at the 2009 NY Jets, made it to the AFC Championship game and were leading it at halftime.#2 Kolb does not have a Peyton Manning-like contract. There is no reason why Mike Vick couldn't be the Eagles QB for at least 3 more seasons (which is a lifetime in today's NFL) after 2010. Bad argument to point to the fact that Vick will be a FA at the end of the year. If Vick is playing well and the Eagles are winning what better opportunity to sign him to a 3 year extension than during this current season.#3 Those that point to Vick's past failings as a QB, need to acknowledge that he does have "special talent". He has had the ulitmate "change of scenary" and it is quite feasible that he is poised to have the best run at QB in his NFL career. BTW, if one looks back at his career, as flawed as it may have been, he still was good enough to be a playoff caliber QB.#4 The slashing weapons that the Eagles have in Jackson and Maclin should make more big plays in an offense led by Vick, who's ability to improvise in a broken down pocket (something that will happen frequently given the Eagles subpar offensive line) than they would with a more stationary Kolb. Did anyone see Deshaun "Diva" Jackson visibly pouting in Week 1 and fully embracing Vick in Week 2? Secondly, did anyone notice what Vick's presence on the defense did for the Eagles' running game yesterday? McCoy had much more room to run inside yesterday due to the defensive schemes needed to contain Vick#5 Those that say it was "Detroit" should really wake up. Detroit is an improved team that almost beat the Bears in Week 1. Moreover, I don't think Kolb, with his much inferior escapability, would have made several key plays that Vick made yesterday and I think that with Kolb the Eagles lose week 2.
This is a good post with solid arguments. I mostly agree.Vick has played well, and deserves a starting gig in the NFL. Not even the most die-hard Kolb supporter will deny that fact. What the Vick supporters continue to ignore is the fact that Kevin Kolb has earned the right to a real chance to show his stuff. If Kolb struggles in Jacksonville and again at home vs. Washington...THEN would be the time to start Vick. Not now.
 
One thing you have to realize about Vick...he is as fun a player to watch play football as anyone I have ever witnessed. It's not just his running ability. It's the whole package - his arm, his presence, his playmaking ability.

Now this won't have any sway with Andy Reid whatsoever. But it will have sway with the Philly faithful...so Kolb better produce AND quickly. Not only has Vick been electrifying - he's been effective. The Jags game won't matter, no matter how well Kolb performs. It's his first game back at Philly where he better perform or I guarantee you, they will call for Vick. Loudly.

 
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LHUCKS said:
bweiser said:
LHUCKS said:
caglassc said:
.....why would you even think they would consider not starting Kolb?
Oh, I don't know...perhaps because the point is to win games and go to the playoffs.Or is there another objective I'm not aware of?
Yeah, the other objective is to build a team that can win the Super Bowl.
the notion that the Eagles can't win the SuperBowl this year is laughable to me. Vick honestly looks like the NFL MVP right now...when you have that kind of weapon at QB you can play with anybody.
:lmao: Not only that, the fans are paying for games TODAY. No one wants to pay to see a team in "rebuilding mode".
 
Quite frankly I don't care

As a Cowboys fan there's not much for me to be happy about so far, but I admit I take some pleasure from seeing this mess in Philly.

Sure, I'd rather my team was not a trainwreck, but you take what you can get

I'll be pulling for a mediocre performance from Kolb and an Eagles loss this week to inflame the situation

 
plyka said:
thehornet said:
bweiser said:
LHUCKS said:
caglassc said:
.....why would you even think they would consider not starting Kolb?
Oh, I don't know...perhaps because the point is to win games and go to the playoffs.Or is there another objective I'm not aware of?
Yeah, the other objective is to build a team that can win the Super Bowl. To do that, the Eagles need to get Kevin Kolb in the right frame of mind and playing at a high level. They aren't going to the Super Bowl this year. Banged-up OL. Defense isn't there yet. Yeah, maybe they make the playoffs with Vick and not with Kolb. Maybe. But it's about the future, not about this week or next - and Kevin Kolb is or maybe isn't the future. The only way to find out is to play him.
over the course of the next 7 years, the eales have a better chance of making the super bowl with vick than kolb.
??confused?? 7 years, lol...in 7 years Vick will have his 3rd grandchild and will be living his last days with his sweetheart on the old ranch. In 2 years the guy is ready for pasture. Look, Vick is an amazing athlete. He has already slowed down at the age of 31, it's just that he was so much faster than anyone else, that this older/slower version of Vick is still probably in the top 1% of NFL players speed wise. But in a couple years the guy will have no athletisicm left, at least at the NFL level. He just won't.The Eagles CANNOT win a super bowl with vick. If the insane law enforcement wouldn't have destroyed this man's career, then perhaps he would have had a chance in his prime years from 27-30. Unfortunately, someone he knew killed some dogs and so he had to go to jail and forfiet his possibly legend career. But it's over now. At 31, he has no chance to build a super bowl team.Kolb on the other hand still has a chance. He can turn into a great QB. Or perhaps he falters and bags groceries for the rest of his life. But you'll never know which one unless you play the guy. Yes, more than a half, more than a minute, more than a second. A QB needs a year or MORE to get into his prime.
Vick is 30, looks as fast as ever and is in better shape than someone named Warner who played til 37.
 
"Threads that are asking for advice on how you should draft or manage your team belong in The Assistant Coach forum."

I just never expected that LHUCKS was really and Andy Reid alias :eek:

What's the right move here? I dunno - I'm just impressed with how the Eagles always seem to hate whoever their QB is at any given time.

-QG

 
For week 3? The only question will be is Kolb healthy enough to practice this week. If he is, you start him and see what you've got. Not saying week 4 Vick might be a better option, but week 3 you got to start Kolb.

 
Vick should start week 3.

The Eagles would have lost yesterday if Kolb was playing. Vick made plays that Kolb just can't make.

Mike Kafka could be the Eagles future, not Kolb, unless Kolb gets his #### together and stops worrying or thinking about the guys coming to hit him and focus on completing passes.

 
Chris Carter had a good comparison this am - said Brad Johnson was all set to be the Vikes QB but an older Randall Cunnigham came in and had an MVP type year - the coaches had no choice but to roll with him he was so hot -

the NFL is a season to season gig - magical runs dont come often...but if you can get inthe playoffs you can make a run - look at the Jets last year ....if Vick is showing that type of magic then go with him...Kolb can wait IMO.

 
Another fact that will be very difficult for the Eagles to manage and which may accelerate "fracturing" within the team, is the use of Vick in games that are started by Kolb.

Even with Kolb annointed as the starter, Reid will be enticed to use Vick throughout the game. However, now Vick doesn't need to held to "QB run" plays and can be used as a multi-faceted weapon. This will create a scenario in which Vick comes in and may stay in the game for 3, 4 or 5 straight plays. If this happens in the midst of a game or even part of a game in which Vick's plays move the ball better than Kolb's plays within the same drive (or even quarter) this will serve to really accelerate the natural "fork in the road" that would take place (again all of this presupposes that Kolb's level of play is not as high as Vick's level of play).

 
Another fact that will be very difficult for the Eagles to manage and which may accelerate "fracturing" within the team, is the use of Vick in games that are started by Kolb.

Even with Kolb annointed as the starter, Reid will be enticed to use Vick throughout the game. However, now Vick doesn't need to held to "QB run" plays and can be used as a multi-faceted weapon. This will create a scenario in which Vick comes in and may stay in the game for 3, 4 or 5 straight plays. If this happens in the midst of a game or even part of a game in which Vick's plays move the ball better than Kolb's plays within the same drive (or even quarter) this will serve to really accelerate the natural "fork in the road" that would take place (again all of this presupposes that Kolb's level of play is not as high as Vick's level of play).

 
Vick should start week 3.The Eagles would have lost yesterday if Kolb was playing. Vick made plays that Kolb just can't make.Mike Kafka could be the Eagles future, not Kolb, unless Kolb gets his #### together and stops worrying or thinking about the guys coming to hit him and focus on completing passes.
And all of the Eagles skill players are downgraded with Kolb at QB. McCoy doesn't get the running lanes and the receivers aren't the same.
 
PHILADELPHIA (AP)—Eagles coach Andy Reid says Kevin Kolb(notes) will be the starting quarterback at Jacksonville on Sunday, despite a pair of impressive performances by fill-in Michael Vick(notes).

Kolb missed the second half of a season-opening loss to Green Bay and Sunday’s win over Detroit because of a concussion. Kolb has been cleared to practice, so Reid says he’ll start unless something happens during the week.

Vick threw for 175 yards and one touchdown and ran for 103 in the 27-20 loss to the Packers. He had 284 yards passing and two TDs in a 35-32 win over the Lions.

Kolb started two games in his first three seasons before he became the team’s No. 1 quarterback after Donovan McNabb(notes) was traded to Washington. Kolb struggled in the first half against Green Bay.

 
shader said:
BTW, if you voted Kolb, you should just give up. Football analysis just isn't your thing...
Translation: "My opinion has no basis for argument under the asusmption that it can't withstand any opposing point of views."
 
plyka said:
CaptainHook said:
The notion that the Eagles have no chance to go anywhere this year so play Kolb is laughable. Why can't the Eagles win the NFC East? None of those teams are better than the Eagles. There are only two teams that are "great" teams in the NFC (Saints and Packers). They can hang with anyone else. Put your best field on the team every week. It didn't hurt Aaron Rodgers to sit a few years, why can't Kolb sit this year? Vick gives this team the best chance to go deep into the playoffs. Let it ride...
funny you should mention aaron rodgers considering the packers cut favre after the team went 13-3 and settled for a 6-10 season the next year. and now because they suffered through that one lean year they will be a super bowl contender for the next 5 years. hopefully the eagles arent as shortsighted as the people here.
I agree that they should start Kolb...but let's not get crazy here, lol...Kolb is no Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers is the premier QB in the league for the next 5-10 years. Kolb is a guy who has played 2 decent games in his career and a few crappy ones.
Yea because we found that out. Rodgers got a shot to prove it on the field. There were just as many Rodgers detractors as Kolb detractors before he proved it on the field.
 
This thread is amazing. Eagles already let go of one QB who was better than Kolb last offseason. Are they planning to do this every year? Is there some reason the Eagles don't want to re-sign the QB who's playing like a MVP?
Bingo! Which is further proof this year is NOT about winning or going to the playoffs. Its about developing their QB of the future. If they were so concerned about this year, they would have just kept McNabb.
They're allowed to re-sign the better QB. At least starting Kolb will ensure a higher draft pick.
Thank You, someone said it. Felt like the only one that thought this might be the right move(maybe only Eagles fan). You could trade Kolb and get a nice draft pick. If Vick is indeed back to his old self(better with new work ethic?) then you basically get the pick back you made on Kolb selection and profit what you got in the McNabb trade without losing anything at the position. This is still a big assumption that Vick is good as he's looked but it is why you have to play Vick in Week 3, the situation actually works its self out. If Vick leads the team to wins, then you see that he is your quarterback next year and you put yourself in a situation to win the superbowl this year. If the Eagles don't win though, you still have plenty of games left to get Kolb experience this year. Vick is only 30 or 31 years old, the same age Steve Young was in his first year starting for the 49ers. Also if you had Vick you can draft a quarterback next year and groom him, assuming you get a 2nd round pick back for Kolb you didn't waste anything. It's not like Kolb is a can't miss prospect, there are promising young QBs in the draft every year. I realize the Eagles plan was going into this season but you have to adapt on the fly in the NFL to be successful. I can't think of a team this good ever benching a qb this good for basically a rookie in the 3rd week of the season with a record of 1-1. Now you could say they should start Kolb and then go to Vick if Kolb is playing bad but not only would they risk their playoff chances but throw away a chance at getting a week 1 bye in the playoffs. If Kolb looks bad at Jacksonville I still have a hard time believing Reid would bench him in week 4, home against the Redskins. That's risking going 1-3 when maybe they would have gone 3-1 with Vick. You can't throw seasons down the drain just as a trial run to see if a guy can play. You do this when you have a bad team or have fallen out of contention, not when your one of the better teams in your conference. Now if they give Kolb the whole year and he looks bad then they probably go back to him next year because of a lack of options. So now the 1 year grooming has turned into 2 year thing possibly with a bad qb, say he doesn't get it done in year 2, then they need to groom a new rookie.

As far as coaches knowing more then what we saw in a couple games, I will agree with this. However reports on Kolb this training camp and preseason have not been good. And as far as the coaches evaluating Vick, well they never got to see him play a full game before last week, no one has in 3 years. So I think the decision this week isn't because of what they saw in practice or anything like some people have suggested but it was made because it has been their pre-season and pre-training camp plan.

 
Looks like many of you need to eat some crow...or at least delete your post to try and save face. :pickle:
Why would I delete a post stating my opinion. I foolishly believed that the Eagles management had a plan for the future. Turns out I was a fool for believing them. If we wanted to try to win the Super Bowl this year, then why not Keep Mcnabb? He's the better of all 3 QB's. Total waste of time and the Eagles will be a joke next year when Vick walks and we still don't know if Kolb can play.
 
Looks like many of you need to eat some crow...or at least delete your post to try and save face. :(
Why would I delete a post stating my opinion. I foolishly believed that the Eagles management had a plan for the future. Turns out I was a fool for believing them. If we wanted to try to win the Super Bowl this year, then why not Keep Mcnabb? He's the better of all 3 QB's. Total waste of time and the Eagles will be a joke next year when Vick walks and we still don't know if Kolb can play.
I don't think the Eagles(and Reid?) thought that McNabb could win them a superbowl so that is why they traded him. I don't agree with this but I thought everyone's complaint about Reid was that he is stubborn and sticks to his plan no matter what, and now Vick has shown great ability and your unhappy that Reid has adapted to the situation? Also your worry about the Eagles being joke isn't fair because if they don't play vick and lose him and Kolb turns out to be no good then the Eagles are really in big trouble. The way it is now you give yourself a chance at 2 guys being your quarterback because you can still play Kolb later on the year or next season. They were saying on NFL network the Eagles could franchise tag Vick. If Vick proves himself this year, he will not want to leave nor will the Eagles want him to.
 
Looks like many of you need to eat some crow...or at least delete your post to try and save face. :goodposting:
Why would I delete a post stating my opinion. I foolishly believed that the Eagles management had a plan for the future. Turns out I was a fool for believing them. If we wanted to try to win the Super Bowl this year, then why not Keep Mcnabb? He's the better of all 3 QB's. Total waste of time and the Eagles will be a joke next year when Vick walks and we still don't know if Kolb can play.
I don't think the Eagles(and Reid?) thought that McNabb could win them a superbowl so that is why they traded him. I don't agree with this but I thought everyone's complaint about Reid was that he is stubborn and sticks to his plan no matter what, and now Vick has shown great ability and your unhappy that Reid has adapted to the situation? Also your worry about the Eagles being joke isn't fair because if they don't play vick and lose him and Kolb turns out to be no good then the Eagles are really in big trouble. The way it is now you give yourself a chance at 2 guys being your quarterback because you can still play Kolb later on the year or next season. They were saying on NFL network the Eagles could franchise tag Vick. If Vick proves himself this year, he will not want to leave nor will the Eagles want him to.
If I was Kolb, I would ask for a trade. The team basically gave him a vote of no confidence after 1 half of play. Would you want to play for a team that basically dropped you for the latest hot thing? I mean its not just management here. Apparently the locker room are all on Vick's side as well. What would they do when Vick is gone? All of sudden expect Kolb, the guy who they didn't think could lead them better than Vick to lead them? Basically, we're stuck with Vick now good or bad. There's no going back to Kolb with any confidence after this. The slightest falter or bad pass and its over for him.
 
voted vick but thought vick was the move before the announcement.

kolb may turn out to be the man someday but vick is playing at a high level and the eagles need to take advantage of it now.

 
Looks like many of you need to eat some crow...or at least delete your post to try and save face. :rolleyes:
I feel I have no crow to eat. The Eagles still drafted Kolb with their first pick in the 2007 draft. They still traded McNabb to the Redskins so Kolb could take over. They still gave Kolb a $12 mil contract extention to be "the guy". They still have only given him 10 passes to prove himself. And after 2010, we still won't know how good he can be. Basically everything I've said on these boards. I've never proclaimed KK to be the next great QB. Just that I'd like to see what they've invested in. Looks like we may never know.Let's go Mike! Win a Super Bowl! Otherwise we may as well have kept McNabb.
 
Looks like many of you need to eat some crow...or at least delete your post to try and save face. :lmao:
Why would I delete a post stating my opinion. I foolishly believed that the Eagles management had a plan for the future. Turns out I was a fool for believing them. If we wanted to try to win the Super Bowl this year, then why not Keep Mcnabb? He's the better of all 3 QB's. Total waste of time and the Eagles will be a joke next year when Vick walks and we still don't know if Kolb can play.
I don't think the Eagles(and Reid?) thought that McNabb could win them a superbowl so that is why they traded him. I don't agree with this but I thought everyone's complaint about Reid was that he is stubborn and sticks to his plan no matter what, and now Vick has shown great ability and your unhappy that Reid has adapted to the situation? Also your worry about the Eagles being joke isn't fair because if they don't play vick and lose him and Kolb turns out to be no good then the Eagles are really in big trouble. The way it is now you give yourself a chance at 2 guys being your quarterback because you can still play Kolb later on the year or next season. They were saying on NFL network the Eagles could franchise tag Vick. If Vick proves himself this year, he will not want to leave nor will the Eagles want him to.
If I was Kolb, I would ask for a trade. The team basically gave him a vote of no confidence after 1 half of play. Would you want to play for a team that basically dropped you for the latest hot thing? I mean its not just management here. Apparently the locker room are all on Vick's side as well. What would they do when Vick is gone? All of sudden expect Kolb, the guy who they didn't think could lead them better than Vick to lead them? Basically, we're stuck with Vick now good or bad. There's no going back to Kolb with any confidence after this. The slightest falter or bad pass and its over for him.
Good points. But I think the players do like Kolb and do have confidence in Kolb, perferring Vick over Kolb is not an insult in anyway with the way Vick has played the first two games. So Kolb shouldn't take any offense to that and he has to understand he hasn't accomplished anything in the NFL yet and he wasn't even highly regarded coming out of college as Rodgers was and he was a good soldier. If Vick is the starter in future, obviously Kolb deserves to be traded. I guess my scenerio was more Kolb gets some games at the end of the season and is the starter, I don't think Kolb will have any problem playing for this team again this year. If he was benched the whole year and they said again they wanted him to be the starter again, then its up to Kolb. I think it would be in his best interest to return, with a Kafka type or sucky veteran as his backup. This is unlikely scenerio though ibecause if Vick starts the whole year, I wouldn't say we are "stuck" with him as he probably played quite well. Right now with concussion and the O-line it might be better he wasn't out there right now anyway.
 
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