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Who's NOT breaking out - Lets face it (1 Viewer)

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Here we discuss alleged high upside guys who we have kept around wasting roster spots for that inevitable breakout season only to realize the year he batted .266 with 16 HRs or his 8-8 campaign with a 5.23 era and a 1.40 WHIP was about as good as it gets. We all do it. Hanging on waiting.

This thread should be helpful.

Slowey - Always thought he was going to break out in a big way. It's not going to happen.

Hochevar - I had hopes - Not so now. At best a #3

Salty - Even as recent as this year I thought he might come around - He's not.

Towles :lmao: Remember that hype? He doesn't belong here I just thought I'd add him as the hype back in 2007 or 08 was hilarious

BJ Upton - I think we've seen what we're going to see

Maybin - He's only 24 but it's not going to happen. Possibly he catches on somewhere in a few years but don't expect much of anything now.

Ian Stewart - The talk of Utley numbers, the hype. He doesn't have the discipline to be a star. Rosterable, I guess but he's not going to ever be a super star.

Steven Drew - He is what he is

Joba - That's right, Joba

Adam Lind - Fluke - He's never going to have a season like that again.

Lars Anderson - Never even made it up. Doesn't have it

Smoak - Maybe a few years down the road he gets ahold of some undetectable stuff and has a out of the blue 30+ HR season but I wouldn't expect anything more.

Yonder Alonso - It's not happening - trust me

 
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Maybin is coming around if you ask me, haven't seen him play but the digits seem to be there; I'm happy with him in a league that values triples.

And joba looks great this year and he's about to take the 8th back from soriano.

 
Drew got a late start but he has hit the ground running.

I had semi-high hopes for Nate McClouth. He seemed to come around late last season, and now he is healthy and batting second. But he sucks.

 
'Finless said:
Here we discuss alleged high upside guys who we have kept around wasting roster spots for that inevitable breakout season only to realize the year he batted .266 with 16 HRs or his 8-8 campaign with a 5.23 era and a 1.40 WHIP was about as good as it gets. We all do it. Hanging on waiting.

This thread should be helpful.

Slowey - Always thought he was going to break out in a big way. It's not going to happen.

Hochevar - I had hopes - Not so now. At best a #3

Salty - Even as recent as this year I thought he might come around - He's not.

Towles :lmao: Remember that hype? He doesn't belong here I just thought I'd add him as the hype back in 2007 or 08 was hilarious

BJ Upton - I think we've seen what we're going to see

Maybin - He's only 24 but it's not going to happen. Possibly he catches on somewhere in a few years but don't expect much of anything now.

Ian Stewart - The talk of Utley numbers, the hype. He doesn't have the discipline to be a star. Rosterable, I guess but he's not going to ever be a super star.

Steven Drew - He is what he is

Joba - That's right, Joba

Adam Lind - Fluke - He's never going to have a season like that again.

Lars Anderson - Never even made it up. Doesn't have it

Smoak - Maybe a few years down the road he gets ahold of some undetectable stuff and has a out of the blue 30+ HR season but I wouldn't expect anything more.

Yonder Alonso - It's not happening - trust me
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'Dr. Awesome said:
Adam Jones. He is what he is. There is no next step from this guy.
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I agree with pretty much all of these except Drew is pretty good :shrug: . Also someone will say Smoak is still a rookie. Not quite sure he belongs on this list yet.
 
My mistakes this year that I've raised the white flag on

Salty - 36 mins from cutting him if my claim goes through for Ramos

Sean Rodriguez - too deep of a league to cut him, thankfully it's daily so I can stream start him vs. lefties but he'll never figure out righties

Maggs - dropped him in one, but the other is too deep. Once Zimmerman is back, Berkman slides to my UTIL and Maggs can go back to the bench.

Hughes - just traded for De La Rosa as I don't want to bank on another IP from Hughes this year, could be one of those guys that peaks late. Being a poor fit for Yankee Stadium doesn't help.

Volquez - stuff doesn't mean anything if you don't know how to use it

My mistakes this year that I'm on the edge about, but am willing to give a few more weeks

Kila Monster - had my doubts entering the season but got him for free July last year, doubts are being confirmed

Trumbo - power is stuck in the HR inflated PCL, he doesn't buy walks, and is 2 weeks away from the Angels bench unless he heats up right now. Already dropped him in one, very close in another, and will if he doesn't hit his way into the lineup in the last.

Maybin - too many holes in his swing but his SB potential on that team keeps me hanging around...for now

Venable - he's an athlete but he isn't a baseball player, he stays on my (deep) team as long as he's hitting 1 or 2 vs. righties

Carlos Pena - I bought Belt in hopes he'd give me a reason to dump Pena, not looking good unfortunately. I might be stuck.

I'm in denial

Mark Reynolds - just waiting for the hot streak

Austin Jackson - he hits the ball hard when he hits it, but the K #'s are unbearable.

Pedro Alvarez - I saw the fat pictures in Feb and I didn't take the hint, what can I say I'm a sucker for raw talent

 
I'm willing to bet Adam Jones is an All-Star within 4 years. Rookies can be on this list. There are guys who have been stuck positionally in the minors for years. Some of them will never fit thier billing. I thought of putting Kila on this list. He's been mashing high A forever without coming up so maybe the scouts knew something. I'm not ready to bury him yet but I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up going down for good. Hosmer is waiting, Gordon looks to have come around Butler isn't going anywhere. There's no room for Kila. Hosmer don't look like a bust.

 
'Finless said:
He's an interesting one. I'm not sure what to think about him. Definitely too early to label bust. Jeff Clement on the other hand....
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I could end up being wrong on this guy but he's one I feel comfortable labeling a relative bust. Sometimes visionaries like us have to lead the charge, even if it's a year or two ahead of the masses.
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'Dr. Awesome said:
'Finless said:
He's an interesting one. I'm not sure what to think about him. Definitely too early to label bust. Jeff Clement on the other hand....
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I could end up being wrong on this guy but he's one I feel comfortable labeling a relative bust. Sometimes visionaries like us have to lead the charge, even if it's a year or two ahead of the masses.
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You definitely sound like a subscriber.
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'MAC_32 said:
Volquez - stuff doesn't mean anything if you don't know how to use it
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So far this year in 4 starts Volquez has an ERA of 29.25 in the first inning. That's 29.25!! In the rest of the game, his ERA is 1.93. Besides being rocked in every first inning of the year so far, he's actually been pretty good. Once he or his coaches figure out the reason for him getting destroyed in the first inning of games, I think Volquez will be money.
 
'Time Kibitzer said:
'MAC_32 said:
Volquez - stuff doesn't mean anything if you don't know how to use it
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So far this year in 4 starts Volquez has an ERA of 29.25 in the first inning. That's 29.25!! In the rest of the game, his ERA is 1.93. Besides being rocked in every first inning of the year so far, he's actually been pretty good. Once he or his coaches figure out the reason for him getting destroyed in the first inning of games, I think Volquez will be money.
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I'm hoping he becomes money. I like the kid. He's definitely got the stuff. Not labeling him a bust either. I wouldn't be surprised to see him put things together.
 
'MAC_32 said:
Pedro Alvarez - I saw the fat pictures in Feb and I didn't take the hint, what can I say I'm a sucker for raw talent
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This guy has me worried. A couple years ago I was salivating. Now I;m wondering if he's been worth the roster spot. He's definitely going to be serviceable but I'm starting to doubt he's a future All Star. Jose Tabata OTOH...
 
'sports_fan said:
Alex GordonPiece of #### who will never amount to anything. 2010 is his ceiling as far as I'm concerned.
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(4/17/11) Gordon had three hits, raising his league-leading total to 22, and drove in two runs in Saturday's 7-0 win over Seattle. Gordon, hitting .373 on the season, is batting .435 with 11 RBIs during a 10-game hitting streak. :confused: :confused: :confused:
 
'Finless said:
'Time Kibitzer said:
'MAC_32 said:
Volquez - stuff doesn't mean anything if you don't know how to use it
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So far this year in 4 starts Volquez has an ERA of 29.25 in the first inning. That's 29.25!! In the rest of the game, his ERA is 1.93. Besides being rocked in every first inning of the year so far, he's actually been pretty good. Once he or his coaches figure out the reason for him getting destroyed in the first inning of games, I think Volquez will be money.
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I'm hoping he becomes money. I like the kid. He's definitely got the stuff. Not labeling him a bust either. I wouldn't be surprised to see him put things together.
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Long term, he might be able to turn it around, but I'd be cutting bait for 2011. The velocity is there and his changeup is as filthy as ever, but he really hasn't show any command at all since TJS. Even when he does throw strikes, he misses his spot about half the time and being wild IN the strike zone can be pretty dangerous. Right now, he's getting by (if you want to call it that) on swings and misses from the changeup. That is a hard way to live.It seems to be a trend that sometimes guys recover from TJS quickly and get their velocity back, but they really struggle for a while with feel and command. Maybe its the layoff or maybe it is something else.
 
'Bobcat10 said:
'Finless said:
Yonder Alonso - It's not happening - trust me
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Good thread.Alonso because he's blocked and can't play anywhere but 1st or something else?
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I would assume that is what he means. The Reds have had been known to bring prospects along really slowly though so I still wouldn't give up on him in a dynasty. I'm not sure why you'd be holding him in a redraft, but his only chance of helping in 2011 is a trade deadline deal getting him out of Cincy. Offensively, he's still got really big potential if you look years ahead. He hit well in Louisville last yr, and it's become pretty much expected that when guys move from Louisville to Cincy some of their doubles turn into homers. Votto and Stubbs are the most obvious examples.He is playing mostly OF in AAA right now, but I'm not sure there are regular AB's there in the near future either. Even if Gomes slows down, they are looking for ways to get Heisey more ABs.
 
I'd say the biggest knock on Smoak is the hitters around him. A 24-year-old switch hitter sporting a .419 obp is someone that interests me.

 
'Smack Tripper said:
Maybin is coming around if you ask me, haven't seen him play but the digits seem to be there; I'm happy with him in a league that values triples. And joba looks great this year and he's about to take the 8th back from soriano.
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Yep, I can agree with the original list except for Maybin. I actually do like what I see out of him so far this season.
 
'Finless said:
Ian Stewart - The talk of Utley numbers, the hype. He doesn't have the discipline to be a star. Rosterable, I guess but he's not going to ever be a super star.
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Stewart's year couldn't have gotten off to a worse start. He got hurt in the first inning of the first Spring Training game (in a 200M breath-holding collision with Tulo and Cargo), missed nearly all of the spring and now can't get regular ABs because Tracy keeps rolling out Jose Lopez and Ty Wiggington. He needs to go down to AAA for 2-3 weeks (he still has options) and just play every day to get some rhythm going. Right now he looks completely lost against live pitching.
 
'Arsenal of Doom said:
'Finless said:
Ian Stewart - The talk of Utley numbers, the hype. He doesn't have the discipline to be a star. Rosterable, I guess but he's not going to ever be a super star.
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Stewart's year couldn't have gotten off to a worse start. He got hurt in the first inning of the first Spring Training game (in a 200M breath-holding collision with Tulo and Cargo), missed nearly all of the spring and now can't get regular ABs because Tracy keeps rolling out Jose Lopez and Ty Wiggington. He needs to go down to AAA for 2-3 weeks (he still has options) and just play every day to get some rhythm going. Right now he looks completely lost against live pitching.
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While I agree with all this, I still cut bait on him. Kila on deck. Morse in the hole.
 
'Finless said:
'MAC_32 said:
Pedro Alvarez - I saw the fat pictures in Feb and I didn't take the hint, what can I say I'm a sucker for raw talent
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This guy has me worried. A couple years ago I was salivating. Now I;m wondering if he's been worth the roster spot. He's definitely going to be serviceable but I'm starting to doubt he's a future All Star. Jose Tabata OTOH...
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The only thing Alvarez has going for him is he's still playing 3B. If he gets moved over the 1B and doesn't pick up his hitting a lot, he won't be rosterable in most mixed leagues.
 
'Encyclopedia Brown said:
'Finless said:
He's an interesting one. I'm not sure what to think about him. Definitely too early to label bust. Jeff Clement on the other hand....
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I think Weiters is going to be pretty good.I can see a Jay Bruce type breakout. Bruce looked terrible for the longest time, but then bam! the light went on.
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:confused: Bruce hit .281/.353/.493 in 2010 as a 23 year old. It was only the second season he started in the major leagues and his first full season without significant injury. I'm sure "the longest time" means different things to different people, but geez, give the kid a break.By way of contrast, Wieters is already 25 (almost a year older than Bruce, in fact.
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I'm worried about Alvarez too, but it's only been 57 ABs.

Last year, in his 1st 46 ABs (all of June), his OPS was .412.

In July, he hit 7 HRs.

August was slower, but he was still driving in a run every other day.

In September, he was among the best hitters in baseball.

I could certainly see benching him until he gets hot, but it would be foolish to cut him (outside of really shallow, non-keeper leagues)

 
Just edited my OP to take out the "cut bait" part. The purpose of this thread is to discuss guys we've been waiting on to explode. Guys who have been hyped that we believe will never match the hype. As far as Maybin goes, dating back to 2006 he was never rated lower than 31 on the top 100 prospects list for Baseball America. 2007-2009 he was listed as 6, 7 and 8. That's 3 top 10 rankings. He was crazy hyped and the centerpiece of the Miggy/Dontrelle Willis trade (remember Andrew Miller? Talk about a let down. Kid was a monster in college). He was a 1st round pick. With that kind of resume and pedigree I don't think we were expecting this kind of production. Then again he's only 24 but it seems like he's been around long enough to figure it out. Who knows....I just think if he was going to explode he would have done so already. Or at least shown signs - like having a monster month where he raked 10 HRs and stole 10 bases...something, right? He hasn't shown much. As I type this I'm beginning to wonder if maybe he will put it together :mellow:

 
'Finless said:
Just edited my OP to take out the "cut bait" part. The purpose of this thread is to discuss guys we've been waiting on to explode. Guys who have been hyped that we believe will never match the hype. As far as Maybin goes, dating back to 2006 he was never rated lower than 31 on the top 100 prospects list for Baseball America. 2007-2009 he was listed as 6, 7 and 8. That's 3 top 10 rankings. He was crazy hyped and the centerpiece of the Miggy/Dontrelle Willis trade (remember Andrew Miller? Talk about a let down. Kid was a monster in college). He was a 1st round pick. With that kind of resume and pedigree I don't think we were expecting this kind of production. Then again he's only 24 but it seems like he's been around long enough to figure it out. Who knows....I just think if he was going to explode he would have done so already. Or at least shown signs - like having a monster month where he raked 10 HRs and stole 10 bases...something, right? He hasn't shown much. As I type this I'm beginning to wonder if maybe he will put it together :mellow:
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It depends on what you're defining as success I think and where you put that bar. The fact he was a three time top 10 prospect should have been red flag number one. If you aren't in the bigs after the second "three time" award, that will tell you something. I don't know that Ruben Rivera was quite that highly regarded but it should be telling. I guess you want a guy like that to be a Hall of Famer, but lets say Maybin was able to have an Eric Davis like career, would the hype have been justified? He wasn't all he could be, but he also didn't break out in any major degree til he was 24. I would also temper power expectations in Petco?
 
'Smack Tripper said:
'Finless said:
Just edited my OP to take out the "cut bait" part. The purpose of this thread is to discuss guys we've been waiting on to explode. Guys who have been hyped that we believe will never match the hype. As far as Maybin goes, dating back to 2006 he was never rated lower than 31 on the top 100 prospects list for Baseball America. 2007-2009 he was listed as 6, 7 and 8. That's 3 top 10 rankings. He was crazy hyped and the centerpiece of the Miggy/Dontrelle Willis trade (remember Andrew Miller? Talk about a let down. Kid was a monster in college). He was a 1st round pick. With that kind of resume and pedigree I don't think we were expecting this kind of production. Then again he's only 24 but it seems like he's been around long enough to figure it out. Who knows....I just think if he was going to explode he would have done so already. Or at least shown signs - like having a monster month where he raked 10 HRs and stole 10 bases...something, right? He hasn't shown much. As I type this I'm beginning to wonder if maybe he will put it together :mellow:
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It depends on what you're defining as success I think and where you put that bar. The fact he was a three time top 10 prospect should have been red flag number one. If you aren't in the bigs after the second "three time" award, that will tell you something. I don't know that Ruben Rivera was quite that highly regarded but it should be telling. I guess you want a guy like that to be a Hall of Famer, but lets say Maybin was able to have an Eric Davis like career, would the hype have been justified? He wasn't all he could be, but he also didn't break out in any major degree til he was 24. I would also temper power expectations in Petco?
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Maybe Davis didn't have the longevity, but I think it's safe to say that if Maybin ever puts up a near 40-50 season, he wouldn't merit an inclusion in this "prospect morgue" we're creating. I think question for Maybin, at this point, is whether or not he'll ever be a useful fantasy player.

 
'Eephus said:
I know it's early but I'm not as bullish on Travis Snider as I was three weeks ago.
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:( He's got a lot of work to do to meet my preseason projections. Though he is on pace for 150 K's like I expected... and still leading the Jays with 10 RBI and 5 steals. The .151/.250/.245 line is ugly though.
 
What does everyone think about Edinson Volquez? From Rotoworld...

Edinson Volquez has a 29.25 ERA in the first inning this season.His ERA is 1.93 in every inning after.
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He was just dropped in my league.
 
'Finless said:
'Limp Ditka said:
Might as well start shoveling dirt on the career of Max Scherzer
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You really think so? I was literally having a Gchat about him minutes ago. Was saying he reminds me of Schilling. Maybe he'll figure out in the second half of his career.
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Always possible. It's just maddening to watch him throw, nothing seems in sync. I think he walked 3 batters on 4 straight pitches last night. Not sure if his problem is confidence, but something isn't right.He throws like that against any other team, he's probably looking at 5-6 ER and not getting out of the 5th.
 
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